On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 9:58:15 AM UTC-4, Juho Julkunen wrote:
> In article <email@example.com>,
> ***@excite.com says...
> > On Friday, 23 March 2018 21:08:07 UTC, Stephen Harker wrote:
> > > The Zygon <***@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 1:50:34 AM UTC-4, David Johnston wrote:
> > > >> On 2018-03-19 10:09 PM, The Zygon wrote:
> > > >> > I see a lot of the _Dosadi Experiment_ in _Dune_.
> > > >> >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > He also seems fascinated by the all homosexual unit which Philip of
> > > > Macedonia had in his army. It is said that all members in the unit
> > > > had mates who were also in the unit. From this he develops the
> > > > homophobic idea that homosexuals are filled with self-hatred and
> > > > hatred for humanity, and as such make excellent berserker troops. He
> > > > even suggests that Generals through the ages have always encouraged
> > > > unrequited homsexual feelings in their troops. The stress there is on
> > > > "unrequited". That is supposed to make them more heroic fighters.
> > >
> > > This seems a bit garbled. The unit in question would be the Sacred Band
> > > of Thebes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes) which
> > > was destroyed by Philip at Chaeronea.
> > >
> > > Philip was said to be anti-homosexual, but after the battle (quote from
> > > Wikipedia): Plutarch records that Philip II, on encountering the corpses
> > > "heaped one upon another", understanding who they were, wept and
> > > exclaimed,
> > >
> > > Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered
> > > anything unseemly.
> > > ??Plutarch, Pelopidas 18
> > I'll just comment that since Wikipedia describes pairings of an
> > older and a younger man, and that you joined at around 20-21 and
> > left at 30, these possibly aren't 150 lifelong exclusive couples?
> > Like, when your old guy retires, you become the old guy and the
> > unit issues you a fresh 20-year-old? (No, I'm not fantasising.
> > I see myself more as a Henry Higgins to an Eliza Doolittle.
> > Which I figure is about equivalent except for killing people.
> > Not that there's anything wrong with that in the ancient world;
> > apparently it's what gets you into Plutarch.)
> According to Homer, "It is entirely seemly for a young man killed in
> battle to lie mangled by the bronze spear. In his death all things
> appear fair."
Wilfred Owen remembered that attitude, filtered through Horace: