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The Starmaker
2017-02-19 03:08:32 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore used to be!
Two small bookstores here have closed since I have been here,
and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are in the
shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.



Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-19 06:26:06 UTC
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Post by The Starmaker
there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore used
to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since I have
been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/photos
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are
in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate," your
local lack of a book store is not an indication that book stores
are in trouble as a business model. In fact, independant book
stores are thriving:

http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record

I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the more
than five dozen links.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2017-02-19 18:08:17 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore used
to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since I have
been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/photos
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are
in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate," your
local lack of a book store is not an indication that book stores
are in trouble as a business model. In fact, independant book
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the more
than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.

I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area right now, though
there are a number of used book stores.
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The Starmaker
2017-02-19 20:14:41 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore used
to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since I have
been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/photos
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are
in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate," your
local lack of a book store is not an indication that book stores
are in trouble as a business model. In fact, independant book
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the more
than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area right now, though
there are a number of used book stores.
the useds books store you mentioned are 'fronts', ...they are in the
back selling penny books online.

In other words, you walk into the book store and buy a used book for
seven dollars, they are in the back of the store selling that same book
for one penny.

If a new book comes out on Amazon, you can buy the used book the same
day...(it's not really used, but you sell more if you say it is used)

If you got to a used book store the guy says "I'm busy now find it
yourself, can you not see I'm shipping all these books?"

A lot of used book store have a few in front of the store, "SALE 50
cents each"...they are over charging you 49 cents!
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-19 20:15:35 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore
used to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since I
have been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/phot
os
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are
in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate," your
local lack of a book store is not an indication that book stores
are in trouble as a business model. In fact, independant book
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the
more than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area right
now, though there are a number of used book stores.
Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego opened a new location in Redondo
Beach a couple of years back. They seem to be doing quite well.

I'm sure the coffee shop helps.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
The Starmaker
2017-02-19 22:02:14 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore
used to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since I
have been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/phot
os
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are
in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate," your
local lack of a book store is not an indication that book stores
are in trouble as a business model. In fact, independant book
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the
more than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area right
now, though there are a number of used book stores.
Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego opened a new location in Redondo
Beach a couple of years back. They seem to be doing quite well.
I'm sure the coffee shop helps.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
It must be a BIGGGGGG store, they have 5 million books!!!!

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How much is a penny times 5 million? (not including shipping)
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-19 23:04:39 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore
used to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since
I have been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/p
hot os
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they
are in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00
shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate,"
your local lack of a book store is not an indication that
book stores are in trouble as a business model. In fact,
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the
more than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area
right now, though there are a number of used book stores.
Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego opened a new location in Redondo
Beach a couple of years back. They seem to be doing quite well.
I'm sure the coffee shop helps.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
It must be a BIGGGGGG store, they have 5 million books!!!!
http://www.mystgalaxy.com/sites/all/modules/custom/kobo/images/ko
bo5.jpg
How much is a penny times 5 million? (not including shipping)
Given how stupid and mentally ill you appear to be, it's no
surprise that you are unware of the difference between a used paper
book and an ebook.

Plus, of course, that's part of an ad for Kobo.

Retard.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
The Starmaker
2017-02-19 22:17:40 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore
used to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since I
have been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/phot
os
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they are
in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00 shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate," your
local lack of a book store is not an indication that book stores
are in trouble as a business model. In fact, independant book
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the
more than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area right
now, though there are a number of used book stores.
Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego opened a new location in Redondo
Beach a couple of years back. They seem to be doing quite well.
I'm sure the coffee shop helps.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140606/mysterious-galaxy-bookstore-battered-by-amazoncom-to-close-its-doors-in-redondo-beach


they should have gotten in the coffee business....


McDonalds...McDonalds corporation is not in the hamburger resturant business, they are in the real estate business.

They buy the land and rent it to the franchise owner...

"McDonald’s is today the largest
owner of real estate in the world."


Is Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego a coffee shop or a book store? Or are they also in the ...shipping business??



Oh, do they sell... books?


They must must be in some Mysterious Galaxy if they are actully making money selling...just books.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-19 23:09:26 UTC
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there is an Old Navy store where that Borders bookstore
used to be! Two small bookstores here have closed since
I have been here, and I know of none here now.
26000 SE Stark St. Gresham, Oregon 97030
https://www.google.com/maps/contrib/104348244401952386352/p
hot os
But it ain't much.
Book stores are no longer in the bookstore business...they
are in the shipping business, one cent a book--$5.00
shipping.
Where's the money at, books or shipping???
Actually, along the same lines as "weather is not climate,"
your local lack of a book store is not an indication that
book stores are in trouble as a business model. In fact,
http://www.bookweb.org/for-the-record
I'm sure that everybody can find a credible source among the
more than five dozen links.
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can't think of any indie "new" book stores in the area
right now, though there are a number of used book stores.
Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego opened a new location in Redondo
Beach a couple of years back. They seem to be doing quite well.
I'm sure the coffee shop helps.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/arts-and-entertainment/20140606/myster
ious-galaxy-bookstore-battered-by-amazoncom-to-close-its-doors-in
-redondo-beach
Pity. It has been a while since I've been there.
Post by The Starmaker
Is Mysterious Galaxy in San Diego a coffee shop or a book store?
Or are they also in the ...shipping business??
I'm not sure if they sell mail order. I am reasonbly sure they
don't sell used book, except, perhaps, for collectable signed first
editions (and those are, I believe, all new, as well).
Post by The Starmaker
Oh, do they sell... books?
They're a book store.
Post by The Starmaker
They must must be in some Mysterious Galaxy if they are actully
making money selling...just books.
Guess you're too fucking stupid and mentally ill to read any of the
62 links to stories about the renaissance of independant book
stores in recent years. No surprise there. You *are* stupid, and
mentally ill, and far too busy masturbating to actually be able to
read, after all.

Retard.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
David DeLaney
2017-02-20 19:36:05 UTC
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.

Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-20 18:45:48 UTC
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on
shipping and handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product
does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The
inventory you probably get basically free, but storing it and
paying humans to fetch it from storage, box it up and ship it
really does take money and have to be paid for.
If they paid anything for the books, it's not honest to sell them for
less while charging more for shipping than shipping actually costs.
It is, as David noted, a tax dodge.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2017-02-20 19:52:44 UTC
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on
shipping and handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product
does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The
inventory you probably get basically free, but storing it and
paying humans to fetch it from storage, box it up and ship it
really does take money and have to be paid for.
If they paid anything for the books, it's not honest to sell them for
less while charging more for shipping than shipping actually costs.
It is, as David noted, a tax dodge.
Well it's shipping and "handling". The shipping is pretty cut & dried, but
not the handling.

But I take your point.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-20 19:00:05 UTC
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on
shipping and handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product
does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this
state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The
inventory you probably get basically free, but storing it and
paying humans to fetch it from storage, box it up and ship it
really does take money and have to be paid for.
If they paid anything for the books, it's not honest to sell
them for less while charging more for shipping than shipping
actually costs. It is, as David noted, a tax dodge.
Well it's shipping and "handling". The shipping is pretty cut &
dried, but not the handling.
But I take your point.
The flip side is, in a lot (maybe even most) of states, shipping
isn't taxable, but shipping *and handling* is, if it's even a penny
more than the actual shipping cost they pay.

But it's a very easy tax cheat, and most states don't audit much.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Michael Moroney
2017-02-20 19:58:36 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
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2017-02-20 19:01:29 UTC
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on
shipping and handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product
does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this
state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The
inventory you probably get basically free, but storing it and
paying humans to fetch it from storage, box it up and ship it
really does take money and have to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale
price but none of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny +
$5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly eliminate Amazon's cut and make
money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H cost is. And that
is why Amazon is mad.
And frankly, why they _should_ be.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Dimensional Traveler
2017-02-20 22:40:48 UTC
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
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The Starmaker
2017-02-21 00:08:17 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
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Winter 2016 survey began Dec 01 and will end Feb 28
they are charging toooo much for an ebook...

there is no shipping
no handling
not even paper that it's not printed on..

and it cost more than a penny!


Buy the hardcover book for a penny, or buy the ebook for 50 dollars!
J. Clarke
2017-02-21 01:51:53 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
For certain values of "capped". Ebay will print
your shipping label for you, so they know how
much you paid for shipping, and they'll allow a
reasonable surcharge for packaging materials and
and labor.
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I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
For certain values of "capped". Ebay will print
your shipping label for you, so they know how
much you paid for shipping, and they'll allow a
reasonable surcharge for packaging materials and
and labor.
Then they've changed their rules since I was there last. I was trying
to sell of some stuff there at the time they imposed the cap. I had to
stop because between EBay's fees and their cap I was losing money on
every sale. There was no flexibility, just a flat dollar amount allowed.
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
For certain values of "capped". Ebay will print
your shipping label for you, so they know how
much you paid for shipping, and they'll allow a
reasonable surcharge for packaging materials and
and labor.
Then they've changed their rules since I was there last. I was trying
to sell of some stuff there at the time they imposed the cap. I had to
stop because between EBay's fees and their cap I was losing money on
every sale. There was no flexibility, just a flat dollar amount allowed.
Were you printing a shipping label through Ebay
or were you just trying to charge a shipping fee
with the intent being to go to the post office
or UPS or wherever and pay them directly for
shipping?
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Post by J. Clarke
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
For certain values of "capped". Ebay will print
your shipping label for you, so they know how
much you paid for shipping, and they'll allow a
reasonable surcharge for packaging materials and
and labor.
Then they've changed their rules since I was there last. I was trying
to sell of some stuff there at the time they imposed the cap. I had to
stop because between EBay's fees and their cap I was losing money on
every sale. There was no flexibility, just a flat dollar amount allowed.
Were you printing a shipping label through Ebay
or were you just trying to charge a shipping fee
with the intent being to go to the post office
or UPS or wherever and pay them directly for
shipping?
PO/UPS. I _couldn't_ print a shipping label thru EBay (or anyone else
for that matter).
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
For certain values of "capped". Ebay will print
your shipping label for you, so they know how
much you paid for shipping, and they'll allow a
reasonable surcharge for packaging materials and
and labor.
Then they've changed their rules since I was there last. I was trying
to sell of some stuff there at the time they imposed the cap. I had to
stop because between EBay's fees and their cap I was losing money on
every sale. There was no flexibility, just a flat dollar amount allowed.
Were you printing a shipping label through Ebay
or were you just trying to charge a shipping fee
with the intent being to go to the post office
or UPS or wherever and pay them directly for
shipping?
PO/UPS. I _couldn't_ print a shipping label thru EBay (or anyone else
for that matter).
There's the problem. Ebay wants you to use
their service. What prevents you from printing
a label?
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Post by David DeLaney
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
Well, OK, I guess, but it still seems prety honest. The inventory you
probably get basically free, but storing it and paying humans to fetch
it from storage, box it up and ship it really does take money and have
to be paid for.
I bet the Amazon agreement is that Amazon gets x% of the sale price but none
of the S&H. By selling the book for a penny + $5.00 S&H the booksellers nearly
eliminate Amazon's cut and make money on the S&H minus whatever the real S&H
cost is. And that is why Amazon is mad.
I will note here that EBay capped how much sellers were allowed to
charge for S&H almost a decade ago.
For certain values of "capped". Ebay will print
your shipping label for you, so they know how
much you paid for shipping, and they'll allow a
reasonable surcharge for packaging materials and
and labor.
Then they've changed their rules since I was there last. I was trying
to sell of some stuff there at the time they imposed the cap. I had to
stop because between EBay's fees and their cap I was losing money on
every sale. There was no flexibility, just a flat dollar amount allowed.
Were you printing a shipping label through Ebay
or were you just trying to charge a shipping fee
with the intent being to go to the post office
or UPS or wherever and pay them directly for
shipping?
PO/UPS. I _couldn't_ print a shipping label thru EBay (or anyone else
for that matter).
There's the problem. Ebay wants you to use
their service. What prevents you from printing
a label?
At the time, no printer.
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Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
They largely abandoned that fight when they started building their
"one hour delivery" infratructure, which will mean having a physical
presence in all states (eventually).
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Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
They largely abandoned that fight when they started building their
"one hour delivery" infratructure, which will mean having a physical
presence in all states (eventually).
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged tax
sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my assumption on
why it happens anyway..)

But I think they were right in the first place given that sales tax
varies, not at the state level, but county by county and even city by city.
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Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this
state at all?"
question
They largely abandoned that fight when they started building
their "one hour delivery" infratructure, which will mean having
a physical presence in all states (eventually).
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged
tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my
assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales
tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county and
even city by city.
I do not dispute that they have a real case - there is Supreme
Court case law on the matter, for precisely that reason. They
pushed it too far - they were trying to not pay taxes in states
where they *did* have a physical presence - but there was a point.

But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50 states,
there's no longer a case.
--
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged
tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my
assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales
tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county and
even city by city.
Worse than that. It can vary between addresses on the same street, in
subsections of a city, like maybe they're zoned differently. Where I work has
software that handles it, presumably because no group of humans could memorize
it any more and keep track of any updates.
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50 states,
there's no longer a case.
Where I work has presence in 46 out of 50; they're not in AK or HI, and then
two of the big Western states, I want to say Montana and one of the Dakotas
maybe. And yeah it takes that into account.

The spooky ones are states that MOSTLY don't tax the product, but every once
in a while a bit of tax appears, I'm thinking because one of the items is a
'luxury item' of some sort. So you have to keep track not only of where it's
being delivered, but EXACTLY what-all is taxed at what level(s) right there...

Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get
charged tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or
that's my assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that
sales tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county
and even city by city.
Worse than that. It can vary between addresses on the same
street, in subsections of a city, like maybe they're zoned
differently. Where I work has software that handles it,
presumably because no group of humans could memorize it any more
and keep track of any updates.
According to the interwebs, there are close to 10,000 sales tax
jurisdictions in the US. Note: that is *jurisdictions*; as you
note, some jurisdictions have multiple tax *rates*.
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50
states, there's no longer a case.
Where I work has presence in 46 out of 50; they're not in AK or
HI, and then two of the big Western states, I want to say
Montana and one of the Dakotas maybe. And yeah it takes that
into account.
The spooky ones are states that MOSTLY don't tax the product,
but every once in a while a bit of tax appears, I'm thinking
because one of the items is a 'luxury item' of some sort. So you
have to keep track not only of where it's being delivered, but
EXACTLY what-all is taxed at what level(s) right there...
There was a point in California where we had a "junk food tax."
Under this tax, as far as anyone could tell - which is to say, the
Board of Equalization, who are responsible for collecting sales
tax, publicly announced "we don't know either" - if you bought a
box of Twinkies, it was not taxable. But if you took a single
package out of that box, it was.
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
Well, sure, why not? After all, penguins poop, and for short
distance transport, you wouldn't want to go to all the effort of
building a long term cage, and *somebody* has to clean up after
them.

Or maybe it's just "because we can."

Certainly, I could see California charging that (and we only have
the *second* stupidest legislature).
--
Terry Austin

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There was a point in California where we had a "junk food tax."
Under this tax, as far as anyone could tell - which is to say, the
Board of Equalization, who are responsible for collecting sales
tax, publicly announced "we don't know either" - if you bought a
box of Twinkies, it was not taxable. But if you took a single
package out of that box, it was.
When I was growing up in Ohio, fast food was taxed differently based on whether
it was "for here" or "to go". I think that's been erased some time back, but it
was a real thing for a while.
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Post by David DeLaney
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
Well, sure, why not? After all, penguins poop, and for short
distance transport, you wouldn't want to go to all the effort of
building a long term cage, and *somebody* has to clean up after
them.
Or maybe it's just "because we can."
Certainly, I could see California charging that (and we only have
the *second* stupidest legislature).
Dave, they need specialized handling too, plus anchovies with marinara sauce
and access to that 1-800-MOMLUVSU line
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There was a point in California where we had a "junk food tax."
Under this tax, as far as anyone could tell - which is to say, the
Board of Equalization, who are responsible for collecting sales
tax, publicly announced "we don't know either" - if you bought a
box of Twinkies, it was not taxable. But if you took a single
package out of that box, it was.
When I was growing up in Ohio, fast food was taxed differently based on whether
it was "for here" or "to go". I think that's been erased some time back, but it
was a real thing for a while.
In the Canadian GST system,food for home consumption is exempt, while
eat-out food (whether "to go" or "eat in") is taxable. Whether your
box of Twinkies is for home use or to eat in the car is determined by
some rules that I haven't paid attention to for a while.

The rise of "Tim-Bits" (a particular brand of what my mother's
generation used to call "donut holes") was based on the idea that six
donuts were for home use, while less than six were taxable. So
everyone switched to eating these mini-donuts. I'm not sure what
other issues there are on that front.
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There was a point in California where we had a "junk food tax."
Under this tax, as far as anyone could tell - which is to say, the
Board of Equalization, who are responsible for collecting sales
tax, publicly announced "we don't know either" - if you bought a
box of Twinkies, it was not taxable. But if you took a single
package out of that box, it was.
When I was growing up in Ohio, fast food was taxed differently based on whether
it was "for here" or "to go". I think that's been erased some time back, but it
was a real thing for a while.
Here in aus there were lots of court cases to decide vital things like is frozen yogurt yogurt or ice cream because they were taxed at different rates
then they removed all the sales taxes and got a GST which is a flat rate except that it doesn't apply to unprocessed food (and a few other excoptions)
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There was a point in California where we had a "junk food
tax." Under this tax, as far as anyone could tell - which is
to say, the Board of Equalization, who are responsible for
collecting sales tax, publicly announced "we don't know
either" - if you bought a box of Twinkies, it was not
taxable. But if you took a single package out of that box, it
was.
When I was growing up in Ohio, fast food was taxed differently
based on whether it was "for here" or "to go". I think that's
been erased some time back, but it was a real thing for a
while.
Here in aus there were lots of court cases to decide vital
things like is frozen yogurt yogurt or ice cream because they
were taxed at different rates then they removed all the sales
taxes and got a GST which is a flat rate except that it doesn't
apply to unprocessed food (and a few other excoptions)
There are several states currently fighting over whether or not
tampons are a "necessity" that shouldn't be taxed. Apparently, pads
are already non-taxable. Or maybe it's the other way around. I
haven't paid much attention to the issue, for obvious reasons.
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Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
There was a point in California where we had a "junk food tax."
Under this tax, as far as anyone could tell - which is to say,
the Board of Equalization, who are responsible for collecting
sales tax, publicly announced "we don't know either" - if you
bought a box of Twinkies, it was not taxable. But if you took a
single package out of that box, it was.
When I was growing up in Ohio, fast food was taxed differently
based on whether it was "for here" or "to go". I think that's
been erased some time back, but it was a real thing for a while.
Labor isn't taxable in California, which makes things . . .
complicated as hell, when there are both parts and labor, because
if the labor is to turn one thing into another, the entire price
you sell it for is taxable (value added, though they can't use that
term), but if it's, say, installing a part on your car, only the
cost of the part is taxable.
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Post by David DeLaney
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
Well, sure, why not? After all, penguins poop, and for short
distance transport, you wouldn't want to go to all the effort
of building a long term cage, and *somebody* has to clean up
after them.
Or maybe it's just "because we can."
Certainly, I could see California charging that (and we only
have the *second* stupidest legislature).
Dave, they need specialized handling too, plus anchovies with
marinara sauce
and access to that 1-800-MOMLUVSU line
Moo. (Because penguins don't quack.)
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-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged
tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my
assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales
tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county and
even city by city.
Worse than that. It can vary between addresses on the same street, in
subsections of a city, like maybe they're zoned differently. Where I
work has software that handles it, presumably because no group of
humans could memorize it any more and keep track of any updates.
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50 states,
there's no longer a case.
Where I work has presence in 46 out of 50; they're not in AK or HI,
and then two of the big Western states, I want to say Montana and one
of the Dakotas maybe. And yeah it takes that into account.
The spooky ones are states that MOSTLY don't tax the product, but
every once in a while a bit of tax appears, I'm thinking because one
of the items is a 'luxury item' of some sort. So you have to keep
track not only of where it's being delivered, but EXACTLY what-all is
taxed at what level(s) right there...
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
One of the continuous items of bogglement for foreigners visiting the
US is that taxes aren't included in the prices listed on items.

This is why.

pt
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Post by David DeLaney
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged
tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my
assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales
tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county and
even city by city.
Worse than that. It can vary between addresses on the same street, in
subsections of a city, like maybe they're zoned differently. Where I
work has software that handles it, presumably because no group of
humans could memorize it any more and keep track of any updates.
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50 states,
there's no longer a case.
Where I work has presence in 46 out of 50; they're not in AK or HI,
and then two of the big Western states, I want to say Montana and one
of the Dakotas maybe. And yeah it takes that into account.
The spooky ones are states that MOSTLY don't tax the product, but
every once in a while a bit of tax appears, I'm thinking because one
of the items is a 'luxury item' of some sort. So you have to keep
track not only of where it's being delivered, but EXACTLY what-all is
taxed at what level(s) right there...
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
One of the continuous items of bogglement for foreigners visiting the
US is that taxes aren't included in the prices listed on items.
This is why.
Well, that and it makes the product look less expensive.
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On 2017-02-20, Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
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They put an installation across the river and I *do* get
charged tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or
that's my assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that
sales tax varies, not at the state level, but county by
county and even city by city.
Worse than that. It can vary between addresses on the same
street, in subsections of a city, like maybe they're zoned
differently. Where I work has software that handles it,
presumably because no group of humans could memorize it any
more and keep track of any updates.
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But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50
states, there's no longer a case.
Where I work has presence in 46 out of 50; they're not in AK
or HI, and then two of the big Western states, I want to say
Montana and one of the Dakotas maybe. And yeah it takes that
into account.
The spooky ones are states that MOSTLY don't tax the product,
but every once in a while a bit of tax appears, I'm thinking
because one of the items is a 'luxury item' of some sort. So
you have to keep track not only of where it's being delivered,
but EXACTLY what-all is taxed at what level(s) right there...
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
One of the continuous items of bogglement for foreigners
visiting the US is that taxes aren't included in the prices
listed on items.
This is why.
Well, that and it makes the product look less expensive.
One is a reason. The other is an excuse. I leave it to the reader
to determine which is which.
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2017-02-22 04:10:22 UTC
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They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged
tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my
assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales
tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county and
even city by city.
Worse than that. It can vary between addresses on the same street, in
subsections of a city, like maybe they're zoned differently. Where I
work has software that handles it, presumably because no group of
humans could memorize it any more and keep track of any updates.
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
But if they're going to have a physical presence in all 50 states,
there's no longer a case.
Where I work has presence in 46 out of 50; they're not in AK or HI,
and then two of the big Western states, I want to say Montana and one
of the Dakotas maybe. And yeah it takes that into account.
The spooky ones are states that MOSTLY don't tax the product, but
every once in a while a bit of tax appears, I'm thinking because one
of the items is a 'luxury item' of some sort. So you have to keep
track not only of where it's being delivered, but EXACTLY what-all is
taxed at what level(s) right there...
Dave, ... _penguin drayage surcharge_??
One of the continuous items of bogglement for foreigners visiting the
US is that taxes aren't included in the prices listed on items.
This is why.
pt
We haven't even mentioned back-to-school sales tax holidays, what dates
they run and what items might, or might not, be eligible..
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Greg Goss
2017-02-22 05:14:52 UTC
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One of the continuous items of bogglement for foreigners visiting the
US is that taxes aren't included in the prices listed on items.
The Canadian federal sales tax includes as part of the law a provision
that makes it mandatory to show the tax separately from the product.
This may be by a "tax included in price shown" sign like on gas pumps,
or most often by listing the price pre-tax.

There are two reasons for this.

1) The tax was introduced by a party that leans towards tax-hostility.
After watching similar taxes in Europe creep upwards without the
public much noticing, they wanted to make any future changes in the
tax rate obvious.

2) If the buyer is registered with that tax as a supplier of either
products or labour, then he gets to deduct the tax he pays from the
tax he charges. (I'm not 100% sure how that applies to a guy who's
mostly selling labour rather than reselling inventory.) How can you
deduct a tax when you don't know the amount? Since Europe is largely
fueled by VAT sales taxes, how do THEY deduct the tax paid from the
tax collected, if it's not shown?
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-22 04:59:06 UTC
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Since Europe is largely fueled by VAT sales
taxes, how do THEY deduct the tax paid from the tax collected,
if it's not shown?
What makes you think they do?
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Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Greg Goss
2017-02-22 08:48:19 UTC
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Since Europe is largely fueled by VAT sales
taxes, how do THEY deduct the tax paid from the tax collected,
if it's not shown?
What makes you think they do?
That's how a "value added" tax works. You collect the tax on what you
sell and deduct the tax you paid on what you bought. The net is a tax
on your "value added". Without that, it's not a VAT.
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Juho Julkunen
2017-02-22 13:59:58 UTC
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Since Europe is largely fueled by VAT sales
taxes, how do THEY deduct the tax paid from the tax collected,
if it's not shown?
What makes you think they do?
That's how a "value added" tax works. You collect the tax on what you
sell and deduct the tax you paid on what you bought. The net is a tax
on your "value added". Without that, it's not a VAT.
And while VAT might not be shown on sticker prices, it is detailed on
receipts and invoices. Business to business transactions usually show
VAT-free prices.
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Juho Julkunen
Greg Goss
2017-02-22 15:26:56 UTC
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Since Europe is largely fueled by VAT sales
taxes, how do THEY deduct the tax paid from the tax collected,
if it's not shown?
What makes you think they do?
That's how a "value added" tax works. You collect the tax on what you
sell and deduct the tax you paid on what you bought. The net is a tax
on your "value added". Without that, it's not a VAT.
And while VAT might not be shown on sticker prices, it is detailed on
receipts and invoices. Business to business transactions usually show
VAT-free prices.
The Canadian version doesn't distinguish business-to-business from any
other purchase. Whether it's B2B is determined by the buyer. I have
to record the GST for deduction for Costco and gas station purchases.

Whether "Hey, this price is lower" is better than "Adding a charge at
the till is a rip-off" is probably a cultural response.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-22 16:20:08 UTC
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Since Europe is largely fueled by VAT sales
taxes, how do THEY deduct the tax paid from the tax collected,
if it's not shown?
What makes you think they do?
That's how a "value added" tax works. You collect the tax on
what you sell and deduct the tax you paid on what you bought.
The net is a tax on your "value added". Without that, it's not
a VAT.
And? Do you _really_ believe that logic applies when talking about an
opportunity to double-tax?
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Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Richard Hershberger
2017-02-21 13:57:23 UTC
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Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this state at all?"
question
They largely abandoned that fight when they started building their
"one hour delivery" infratructure, which will mean having a physical
presence in all states (eventually).
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get charged tax
sometimes now for items that come from there (or that's my assumption on
why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales tax
varies, not at the state level, but county by county and even city by city.
I've never quite figured out the argument behind the observation that tax rates vary. I just spend about thirty seconds on Google to find a third party vendor that will track sales tax rates for you.

Richard R. Hershberger
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-02-21 16:49:42 UTC
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On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 2:49:48 PM UTC-5, Ted Nolan
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
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Dave, leaving aside the whole "does Amazon pay tax in this
state at all?"
question
They largely abandoned that fight when they started building
their "one hour delivery" infratructure, which will mean
having a physical presence in all states (eventually).
They put an installation across the river and I *do* get
charged tax sometimes now for items that come from there (or
that's my assumption on why it happens anyway..)
But I think they were right in the first place given that sales
tax varies, not at the state level, but county by county and
even city by city.
I've never quite figured out the argument behind the observation
that tax rates vary. I just spend about thirty seconds on
Google to find a third party vendor that will track sales tax
rates for you.
The SCOTUS ruling predates the internet (or ecommerce, anyway) by
years, and was over mail order businsses. The legal issue is that,
in those days, it cost a considerable sum of money for a business,
usually a fairly small business, to track the - literally -
thousands of tax jurisdicions in the US, imposing an unreasonable
burden, and that a state one has no physical presence in has no
legal authority over that busieness anyway. The former is a lot
less true than it used to be, the latter is every bit as relevant
today as it was then.
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Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Lawrence Watt-Evans
2017-02-20 20:49:29 UTC
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On Mon, 20 Feb 2017 13:36:05 -0600, David DeLaney
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I read somewhere that Amazon is going to crack down on the
"$0.01 book + $5.00 S&H" model, though I'm not sure why. It
seems perfectly legit to me.
I can see why; in many states or destination locations, tax on shipping and
handling doesn't exist, where tax on sold product does.
Also, as I understand it, Amazon gets a cut of the sales price but not
of the shipping & handling charges.
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