On 6/24/2018 4:53 AM, Keith Stein wrote:
> On 22/06/2018 22:08, benj wrote:
>> On 6/22/2018 1:58 PM, Keith Stein wrote:
>>> On 22/06/2018 01:24, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> The problem with Time is...
>>>> the science guys messed up Time.
>>>> The first mistake they made was trying to measure time...
>>> Philosophers talk about time,
>>> Science guys measure time, with clocks eh!
>>> The mistake they made was to believe that
>>> clocks are in any way affected by walking
>>> towards or away from them.
>>> Note that if clocks are not affected
>>> by walking towards them, then the velocity
>>> of light relative to you when you walk
>>> towards the light must be c+v, not c eh!
>>> keith stein
>> Obviously you are no more a philosopher than Starfaker.
>> The question is not are clocks affected by your motion with respect to
>> them but rather is your PERCEPTIOIN of their readings affected.
> Of course clocks APPEAR to run slower if you move away from them,
> and the APPEAR to run faster when you move towards them. This is
> the well understood DOPPLER EFFECT, and if you account for it correctly
> then of course you do not require any relativistic time dilation.
>> There is no aether drift
>> so c+v Is ALWAYS totally stupid and wrong, wrong, wrong.
> No! If clocks are not affected by walking towards them, then
> c+v is INEVITABLE eh!
> A<-------- L m ------------->B
> TA TB
> As viewed from stationary (laboratory) frame:
> Speed of light = L / (TB-TA) = c
> As viewed from frame of reference in which laboratory is moving to the
> right at v m/s.
> Light must travel an extra distance = v*(TB-TA)
> This being the distance B moves as the light travels from A to B.
> Therefore speed of light as viewed from frame of reference in which
> laboratory is moving to the right at v m/s = c + v
> keith stein
if you see a clock 20 feet away, you are 20 nanoseconds behind the time
it shows, as it takes about a nanosecond for light to travel 1 foot.
if the clock is atomic, with lighted numerics, and your 100 feet away,
then you are 100 nanoseconds late.
If you have 4 clocks around you 10 ft, 25 ft, 50 ft, 100 ft which
clock is right ?