Post by J. Clarke
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Post by David DeLaney Post by Kevrob Post by David DeLaney Post by Kevrob
"Fundamentalists" have tried to hijack science curricula in
government-owned school systems, which is a good reason to
make sure it's widely and loudly known that public schools are run BY THE
GOVERNMENT, not by churches, and that you don't GET to keep your kids
ignorant of science and facts?
Luckily for me, in this case, I have no children. I still get stuck
paying to educate other people's kids,
Note that this is a Good Thing.
Think for a minute or two what society local to you would be LIKE if other
people's kids ran around uneducated. There are films about this sort of thing,
though these days they mostly star black folks, because of unfortunate gov't-
spending priorities in many USA inner cities...
Also think what the eventual and cumulative effect on the workforce would be
like. The jobs totally uneducated folks can _do_ have been evaporating very
very fast recently.
Post by Kevrob Post by David DeLaney
Ew, no. Why in the WORLD would you want to tell people "Okay, if that's
what you believe, you get to bring your kids up that way, and you don't have
to pay taxes that go to how things actually work"? That's not a way to get
a functioning society, unless maybe the vast majority believes the same sort
of thing and are heavily invested in denial of what the observable facts are
telling them. But that could NEVER happen...
I think we should have competing schools, the way we have competing newspapers,
publishing companies, broadcasting stations and cable networks, etc.
Oh, sure. But don't try to choke off the gov't-run portion of it... and you
do NOT get to slip out of Federal regulations on _how_ kids get educated and
to what extent. That got stamped on VERY firmly by Brown v. Board of Education;
if you're gonna have competing schools, they have to INCLUDE everything the
public schools do and go beyond that. They're not allowed to be "escape
learning about this kind of art, these eras of history, and those segments of
Well, it's clear that your education was
inadequate. You might want to find out what
Brown vs Board of Education was really about
instead of whatever some ignoramus told you it
was about, and how Federal influence on
education _really_ works (the motivator is uses
is the carrot, not the stick). Oh, and you
might want to look at the list of fastest-
growing occupations as well.
You and I know that Brown, overturning Plessy v Ferguson,
ruled that states, or their creatures, local governments,
could nor run schools on a "separate but equal" basis.
It was not a grant of plenary power to the Federal government
to regulate education. That has never happened, and would
probably require a constitutional amendment.
As i recently wrote,in another group:
It is instructive that the "thin edge of the wedge" that allowed
the Feds to worm their way into funding, and by regulations attached
to the funding, to establish substantial influence over education
policy, was the grant of power to the Congress to fund the military.
The "land grant colleges" were a Civil War innovation, designed to make
state universities and a few other institutions especially designated
as recipients of funds, centers for training military officers.
The same sort of legerdemain was exercised in the case of elementary
and secondary education after the CCCP launched Sputnik: The
National Defense Education Act.
The "reformers" knew that Federal funding for state and local schools
was constitutionally questionable, and used the need for the military
to have highly trained people, and for our defense industries to have
a skilled and knowledgeable workforce, to get a slice of the Federal
What is acceptable for the Federal government to do has changed,
for good or ill, since 1789. The Civil War caused government
expansion, as did the World Wars, the Great Depression, the Cold
War and the Infinite War on Some Terrorists. As Randolph Bourne
once wrote, "war is the health of the state."
As has been proven with the Federal Dept of Transportation making
highway aid dependent on the states' adopting 18-year old drinking ages,
which was upheld by the Supreme Court, "who takes the king's shilling
does the king's bidding" is, unfortunately, the current state of the
Theoretically, states could change their constitutions, removing
the guarantees of "free" public education, pull the charters of the
school districts and privatize the whole shooting match.
Just refusing the federal subsidies, which are less than 10%* of
total spending on el-hi education, the states could get out from
under restrictions that don't derive from cases like Brown.
Some school districts that were avoiding integration did shut their
schools, leaving private schools known as "segregation academies"
to take up the slack for white students.
I don't advocate schools like that, and since the state constitution
in places like Virginia did require public schools be available,
the states went too far, bany amendments.
* https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html and
Moving from a 90% government system to private education would require
some transitional structure, such as vouchers, and no school that
discriminates could take part in a tax-funded scholarships, however
temporarily those taxes were dedicated to the program.
Post by J. Clarke
But no, you're going to go on believing that the
Feds micromanage every homeschool.
Post by David DeLaney Post by Kevrob Post by David DeLaney
to match the degree of Othering that other visions get?
Treat people as individuals. I don't care who anybody else screws,
basically, as long as I'm not forced to join in if I don't wanna.
I don't much care about "how," either.
I actually violently agree, here ... but then what do we call a group
including you that all mostly match your details?
Post by Kevrob Post by David DeLaney
Sure - but, somehow, people find "follow THESE rules and no other, to be Good
People" easier to accept when the rules don't obviously come from Just
Hence, some people tend to elevate the buddha into de facto ghodhood.
If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him. Then invite him home for a nice
cup of tea.
Dave, maybe give him a kitten