In article <***@crcomp.net>, D B Davis <***@crcomp.net> wrote:
>Dorothy J Heydt <***@kithrup.com> wrote:
>> In article <email@example.com>,
>> -dsr- <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>>>On 2018-03-02, The Zygon <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have thought a great deal about the best possible human future I
>>>have read about in science fiction. In my view, the Star Trek future,
>>>especially as epitomized in _The Next Generation_, _Voyagers_ and _Deep
>>>Space 9_ to be the best conceived human futures I have read. I think
>>>that the social structure is the best solution I have seen for the
>>>problem presented by the end of scarcity, despite some glaring
>> Gene Roddenberry was an idealist and a peacenik. I knew him
>> tangentially through Bjo Trimble and Star Trek fandom, and (at
>> Bjo's suggestion) I, living in Berkeley, went onto Telegraph
>> Avenue and bought him a peace symbol. It made him very happy.
>>>> One such omission is the fact the human beings seem to have the
>>>technology for indefinite lifespans but seem not to have noticed.
>> Extra-long life is generally considered to be not an unmixed
>> blessing. There's a novel just out about a man with a lifespan
>> some 15 times that of the average human:
>> The protagonist's modus vivendi consists of Keep moving, Don't
>> attract attention, and Never fall in love.
>> I would like to live longer than I expect to, but only if it
>> doesn't involve getting senile, as my grandfather did; he lived
>> to be 90 and near-witless.
>On my to-be-read shelf sits the German edition of _Momo_ (Ende, 1973).
>_Momo_'s at the trail head of one artistic path that leads to a movie
>released in 2011 called _In Time_. This particular path goes from _Momo_
>to "Time Is Money" (Falk, 1975) to the 1985 movie _The Price of Life_
>and finally to the 2011 movie.
> _In Time_'s Fed uses time instead of greenbacks. Wealthy people have
>all of the time in the world, which they steal from the working poor.
>Your banked time decrements and you stop aging at the age of twenty-
>five. When you run out of time, you die.
> There's a wealthy guy at the start of the movie with over a century
>of time banked. The guy's already centuries old when he proclaims that
>people just need to die after one lifetime, him too.
> The protagonist in _Healer_ (Wilson) is virtually immortal. The
>story's undercurrent is that it can be hell to go on living while
>those around you die.
> That premise also appears at the start of _Time Enough for Love_
>(RAH). Unfortunately, your eight deadly words appeared to me after about
>a hundred pages into the Heinlein.
I couldn't get into that one either.
Digression: this is my strictly personal take on what Heinlein is
Anything before 1964 = good, except for _Stranger in a Strange
Land,_ first third good, second two-thirds bad
_Farnham's Freehold_, 1964 = bad
_The Moon is a Harsh Mistress_, 1966 = good
Anything after 1966 = bad, bad, bad
> Bjo's an interesting name. Bee-Joe?
Yes, that's how it's pronounced.
It's a contraction of Betty Joann. She's very well-known in
fandom, and organized the Save Star Trek protests back in the
Dorothy J. Heydt
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