Titus G <***@nowhere.com> writes:
> On 05/07/18 02:52, D B Davis wrote:
>> Titus G <***@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On 03/07/18 06:19, Kevrob wrote:
>>>> On Monday, July 2, 2018 at 1:40:20 PM UTC-4, Titus G wrote:
>>>>> On 30/06/18 08:46, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>>>>> With the TV films, Wikipedia or elsewhere usually provides a
>>>>>> synopsis describing all the characters, the deaths and other
>>>>>> unpleasant events, and who is responsible for it all. Evidently
>>>>>> the art form isn't in telling a story but in killing people (or
>>>>>> pretending to, it is just film) in a
>>>>>> visually entertaining way.
>>>>> Yes. And the demise of the evil one. In the beginning was
>>>>> Dracula? Many years ago, I loved the horror film Kujo
>>> based on the Stephen King novel.
>>>>> and have been desperately trying without result to remember the
>>>>> name of an absolutely brilliant horror film seen in the last
>>>>> decade shot mainly on a yacht and loosely based on the tale of
>>>> That should be "Triangle," from 2009
>>>> Wiki article is here:
>>>> I never saw it. It was not released in theaters in the US.
>>>> Am I wrong?
>>> No. Thank you. The name Triangle did not ring a bell but yes, that
>>> is the film I was writing about. I was pleased to read criticism in
>>> the Wikipedia article that berated the film for not being true
>>> horror and I interpret that as, (as Robert Carnegie originally
>>> said), for "the art form" in Triangle actually telling a clever
>>> speculative story rather than just "killing people ..... in a
>>> visually entertaining way". The article also says the film was
>>> partly inspired by the film "Memento", another favourite.
>>> In films, I love being confused and puzzled by dishonest or
>>> impaired narrators/protagonists but not so much in books. Mark
>>> Lawrence's Red Sister where the naivety of the protagonist is
>>> necessary for the plot stretches credibility a little because of
>>> this. Graydon Saunder's assumption that the reader lives in the
>>> same world as his characters is a different type of confusion
>>> creation that I find enjoyable but it wouldn't work in a film and
>>> the film Triangle would not have had the same impact for me had it
>>> been a book.
>> People who love being confused and puzzled by a movie's
>> discombobulated storytelling owe it to themselves to see _Tinker
>> Tailor Soldier Spy_ (2011) and _Primer_. You probably need to either
>> read the LeCarre novel or watch the BBC adaptation beforehand to make
>> sense of _Tinker_ (2011).
> I have read most of exMI5 agent Le Carre's fiction with the early
> Smiley stories being my favourites. I love his writing as well as
> characters and plots and have seen the 2011 film. The Night Manager
> was a brilliant book but the TV series, excellent in most respects,
> reversed its meaning ending up as institution-supporting propaganda
> with gleeful redemptive violence, themes that do not appear in the
> Smiley books. I have no wish to view another film based on his work.
> _Primer_ features two main characters who
>> occupy nine separate, distinct time lines. Think of it as nine
>> subplots in one overarching plot. AFAIK the phone company uses seven
>> digit phone numbers because that's the optimal quantity easily stored
>> in short term memory by most humans. Keeping nine sub-plots in mind
>> taxes most people's short term memory. The movie spends the first
>> half hour setting the stage for what follows. After the initial setup
>> a scene change in the movie typically implies a time line change.
> After looking up Wikipedia, I remember watching Primer on television
> years ago but had forgotten the name. (Primer 6 characters, Triangle
> even more.) I lost the plot, (perhaps more than one?), but still
> enjoyed the movie and later found explanatory diagrams after a web
> search. I would watch this again.
> Two great recommendations, thank you.
I read a playscript a while back that, based on a time travel premise,
sounded like something that would be fun to direct. The timelines
turned out to be so convoluted that the script included a spreadsheet
showing how the events appeared to the different characters. Ah, no,
I'm nowhere near good enough to stage that in a way that would be
comprehensible to an audience...