Post by The Starmaker Post by Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn Post by SteveGG
It takes hundreds of thousands of years for anything to transverse just
one galaxy, including god's thoughts, so god would have to be a very
slow thinker !
Your logic is flawed because a lifeform that we, at our current stage of
development, would accept as a deity, could have discovered laws of physics
âAny sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.â
âClarkeâs third law
which can been rephrased as
âAny sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is
indistinguishable from God.â
âShermer's last law
Your newsreader is broken. Get a better one. There were properly declared
and encoded Unicode characters in my posting, not the character salad that
you made out of them.
Post by The Starmaker Post by Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn
However, the existence of such a lifeform grows the more unlikely the
more we develop our understanding of our universe.
The guy with the pointed ears is quoting...science fiction writers!!!
I have quoted *one* person who was *also* a science-fiction writer:
The other, Michael Shermer, “is an American science writer, historian of
science, founder of The Skeptics Society, and Editor in Chief of its
magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating pseudoscientific
and supernatural claims.” I understand that he received a B.A. in
psychology, and a B.A. and a Ph.D. in the history of science.
What degrees have you received, “The Starmaker”?
No, it is not. Consider, for example, Asimov’s robots, and the ST:TNG
android, Data, and compare with current robotics and the beginning of real-
life androids. Consider “2001: A Space Odyssey” and compare with the
International Space Station. Consider the Star Trek tricorders and compare
with real-life smartphones (and, most recently, a working medical instrument
that is based on the medical tricorder and has won the Google XPrize).
Consider Picard’s desktop mini-computer and compare with my laptop.
Consider the Universal Translator and compare with Google Translate.
Consider the Impulse drive and the Warp drive and compare with current
developments in propulsion like ion thrusters. And so on.
Science and technology have informed science-fiction at least as much as
science-fiction has inspired scientists and inventors. It is a fallacy to
discredit an idea just because it comes from from science-fiction.
Post by The Starmaker
British science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke formulated three adages
You are not paying attention. I have already cited that.
Post by The Starmaker
God had a dream...so he painted his dream.
He took out his pen and drew a tree.
It is a dream … a *pipe* dream of yours and other creationists, who are
unable to grasp the wonders of reality.
But we know since more than a century now that this is not how it happened.
Instead: The tree formed, after billions of years of natural selection, from
symbiotic plant cells, which formed first after aminoacids combined to form
the DNA (DesoxyriboNucleic Acid) molecules located mostly in their cell
nucleus. Aminoacids contain, among other atoms, carbon atoms. Carbon is a
chemical element, the nuclei of its atoms which could only be produced by
stellar nuclear fusion, i.e. in stars, and were ejected into the
interstellar medium when those stars went supernova. Stars formed after
interstellar clouds of mostly hydrogen cooled by emitting radiation so that
they could collapse in parts under their own gravitation, and the
temperature of the collapsing parts of the cloud increased due to increasing
gas pressure. Those clouds of hydrogen gas formed from hydrogen atoms and
free ions. (All of this we can still *observe* happening in other parts of
our universe, so by comparison to religion, it is _not_ just a story.) A
hydrogen atom consists of a proton and an electron. And those particles
were produced shortly after the Big Bang, about 13.8 billion years, short
scale, ago. (We can observe and have observed, over many years, the Cosmic
Microwave Background, the afterglow of the Big Bang, which is evidence of
the Big Bang. Again, unlike religion, _not_ only a story.)
It strikes me as very odd that someone calling themselves “The Starmaker” is
blissfully unaware of all of this.
Post by The Starmaker
Which is worse, quoting from the bible or quoting from a ...science fiction book????
It is the validity of the thought, not its source, that matters.
Does it give you pleasure to ignore my Followup-To, and to crosspost *again*
to *exactly* those newsgroups that I have trimmed from the previous
crosspost? Or are you simply unable to choose and handle properly the
software that you are using?
F'up2 sci.physics.relativity *again*.
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