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Terry Austin Tuckerized in "Challenges of the Deep"
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John F. Eldredge
2017-03-17 16:56:41 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-03-17 17:21:55 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
That was part of my reward for backing Ryk's Polychrome Kickstarter
to a high level. Best money I ever spent on entertainment.

Ryk: I finished the chapter on the race last night. It was very
thoroughly telegraphed, predictable and formulaic (that chapter, not
the book overall), but so well executed it was still the most
exciting part of the book (so far). That takes some real skill.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
2017-03-17 23:03:13 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
That was part of my reward for backing Ryk's Polychrome Kickstarter
to a high level. Best money I ever spent on entertainment.
Ryk: I finished the chapter on the race last night. It was very
thoroughly telegraphed, predictable and formulaic (that chapter, not
the book overall), but so well executed it was still the most
exciting part of the book (so far). That takes some real skill.
Thanks. To me, that's an important feature; it means that the writing
works even if you already know it, meaning that the book should be
RE-readable.
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Sea Wasp
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-03-17 23:34:52 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to
his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found
is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
That was part of my reward for backing Ryk's Polychrome
Kickstarter to a high level. Best money I ever spent on
entertainment.
Ryk: I finished the chapter on the race last night. It was very
thoroughly telegraphed, predictable and formulaic (that
chapter, not the book overall), but so well executed it was
still the most exciting part of the book (so far). That takes
some real skill.
Thanks. To me, that's an important feature; it means that
the writing
works even if you already know it, meaning that the book should
be RE-readable.
There aren't many books I reread, and I have doubts about this one
unless the series goes on a long time, but I always admire that
level of craft, as much as any degree of art.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Lynn McGuire
2017-03-17 17:57:16 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of the book for me !

Lynn
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2017-03-17 18:19:34 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to
his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found
is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of the
book for me !
Dude, Ryk and I planned this _here_.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
John F. Eldredge
2017-03-17 19:19:15 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to
his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found
is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of the
book for me !
Dude, Ryk and I planned this _here_.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Also, this is only two or three pages out the book.
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Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-03-17 20:52:22 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have
eaten him.
Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of the book for me !
Dude, Ryk and I planned this _here_.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Also, this is only two or three pages out the book.
Well, it's the topc if an entire chapter, which is eight pages.
Which does not appear (so far, at least) to have any bearing on the
actual plot of the book.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
2017-03-17 23:01:29 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have
eaten him.
Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of the book for me !
Dude, Ryk and I planned this _here_.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Also, this is only two or three pages out the book.
Well, it's the topc if an entire chapter, which is eight pages.
Which does not appear (so far, at least) to have any bearing on the
actual plot of the book.
Well, it does in the sense of establishing more of the political issues
surrounding the whole Arena thing.
--
Sea Wasp
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Kay Shapero
2017-03-18 07:47:28 UTC
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Well, it's the topc if an entire chapter, which is eight pages.
Which does not appear (so far, at least) to have any bearing on the
actual plot of the book.
Well, it does in the sense of establishing more of the political issues
surrounding the whole Arena thing.
Not to mention making life briefly amusing for Our Heroine. And the
rest of us, for that matter. :)
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2017-03-18 07:13:05 UTC
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Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of the book for me !
Dude, Ryk and I planned this _here_.
Also, this is only two or three pages out the book.
Well, it's the topc if an entire chapter, which is eight pages.
Which does not appear (so far, at least) to have any bearing on the
actual plot of the book.
Besides, a post or two further down the thread, the author of the book
points out that this part of the book works even when you know what's
going to happen.
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2017-03-18 21:31:05 UTC
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Dude, SPOILER SPACE !!! You have spoiled this portion of
the book for me !
Dude, Ryk and I planned this _here_.
Also, this is only two or three pages out the book.
Well, it's the topc if an entire chapter, which is eight pages.
Which does not appear (so far, at least) to have any bearing on
the actual plot of the book.
Besides, a post or two further down the thread, the author of
the book points out that this part of the book works even when
you know what's going to happen.
In short, it's really not much of a spoiler, and around here, talking
about is good PR for the book.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-17 20:07:49 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd
of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten
him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-18 07:48:58 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd
of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten
him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
Snerk! I believe the only noted comment heard from the group was
"Burp!"
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd
of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten
him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
In the book, they are suspected of eating the entire character, rather
than just selected fluids.
--
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd
of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten
him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
In the book, they are suspected of eating the entire character, rather
than just selected fluids.
Not the ENTIRE character. No stomach, nor testicle, nor intestine
existed to be eaten and the hair, the teeth, the nails, the gristle, the
bones and the umbrella were sold to an undisclosed buyer for conversion
to ..... chicken nuggets.
John F. Eldredge
2017-03-22 18:46:21 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd
of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of
Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all
that is found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten
him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing later
in the series.
--
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On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:56:46 PM UTC-4, John F.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for,
but all that is found is a group of predators, presumed to
have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:56:46 PM UTC-4, John F.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched for,
but all that is found is a group of predators, presumed to
have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are the
denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched
for, but all that is found is a group of predators,
presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are
the denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is
found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could
dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
Just out of idel curiosity, how much would that take?
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-23 01:04:02 UTC
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On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:56:46 PM UTC-4, John F.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched
for, but all that is found is a group of predators,
presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are
the denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is
found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
Just out of idel curiosity, how much would that take?
Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo
I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does, so probably
something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on
Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author like me.

Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a
significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job goes into the
ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's
all it is.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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Lynn McGuire
2017-03-23 01:39:29 UTC
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On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:56:46 PM UTC-4, John F.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched
for, but all that is found is a group of predators,
presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are
the denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is
found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
Just out of idel curiosity, how much would that take?
Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?

Lynn
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched
for, but all that is found is a group of predators,
presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are
the denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is
found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
Just out of idel curiosity, how much would that take?
Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going
solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that
much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making
a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the
lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?
"PA books"?

The problem is writing TIME. I have on average 4 hours a week to write
in. I still have two more books to write for Baen, which will take up
most of that for the next year or so. Self-publishing is a tremendously
time and money-intensive thing, as I found when making _Polychrome_.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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2017-03-23 02:40:54 UTC
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The problem is writing TIME. I have on average 4 hours a week to write
in. I still have two more books to write for Baen, which will take up
most of that for the next year or so. Self-publishing is a tremendously
time and money-intensive thing, as I found when making _Polychrome_.
I can imagine. And I am quite grateful you did publish it because I
enjoyed the book. Also the cover...
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Address munged, try my first name at kayshapero dot net.
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The problem is writing TIME. I have on average 4 hours a
week to write
in. I still have two more books to write for Baen, which will
take up most of that for the next year or so. Self-publishing
is a tremendously time and money-intensive thing, as I found
when making _Polychrome_.
I can imagine. And I am quite grateful you did publish it
because I enjoyed the book. Also the cover...
The high expectations of a Bob Eggleton cover were, in fact, the
reasons this thread exists. (Which is to say, that was my motivation
for backing it to the level I did. It was worth it for that. The red
shirt appearance was just icing.)
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but
what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him off the
edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is searched
for, but all that is found is a group of predators,
presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are
the denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is
found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better be,
dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
Just out of idel curiosity, how much would that take?
Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going
solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that
much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making
a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the
lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?
"PA books"?
Post Apocalypse books.
Greg Goss
2017-03-23 07:25:04 UTC
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Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?
He tried a self-publish last year. It didn't go well
--
We are geeks. Resistance is voltage over current.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
2017-03-23 11:55:47 UTC
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Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?
He tried a self-publish last year. It didn't go well
I wouldn't say THAT (also, it was three years ago). I did a
Kickstarter, made my first Stretch Goal, successfully met all my
promised rewards (well, my newsletter's erratic, but I suspect that was
the least-interesting of the rewards), and it still gives me small
checks now and then. And _Polychrome_ was a niche book in a niche field.

If I wanted to write a Postapocalyptica book (I don't really, though I
do have an idea for a classic "Disaster Novel"), it'd be a MAGICAL
postapocalyptic book.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Peter Trei
2017-03-23 13:15:42 UTC
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Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?
He tried a self-publish last year. It didn't go well
I wouldn't say THAT (also, it was three years ago). I did a
Kickstarter, made my first Stretch Goal, successfully met all my
promised rewards (well, my newsletter's erratic, but I suspect that was
the least-interesting of the rewards), and it still gives me small
checks now and then. And _Polychrome_ was a niche book in a niche field.
If I wanted to write a Postapocalyptica book (I don't really, though I
do have an idea for a classic "Disaster Novel"), it'd be a MAGICAL
postapocalyptic book.
Sounds like fun. Since there are as many premises out there as there are
waves on the shore, I'll throw one out:

Miners delving too deep dig up a ancient vault, releasing a virus. It spreads
world-wide, and its effect is to waken latent 'magic' talents in humans.
Weak telekinesis, clairvoyance, and telepathy.

However, it also makes contacts with iron and iron alloys extremely toxic, and
electrical potentials nearby painful.

Play with that, guys.

pt
Ahasuerus
2017-03-23 13:22:43 UTC
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If I wanted to write a Postapocalyptica book (I don't really, though I
do have an idea for a classic "Disaster Novel"), it'd be a MAGICAL
postapocalyptic book.
Well, Chuck Wendig's first commercial fiction project was _Double Dead_
(http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1327695), a post-apocalyptic
vampire zombie novel, and look where his career is now!
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Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does,
so probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job
goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's all it is.
Start writing PA books and publish them yourself ?
He tried a self-publish last year. It didn't go well
I wouldn't say THAT (also, it was three years ago). I did a
Kickstarter, made my first Stretch Goal, successfully met all my
promised rewards (well, my newsletter's erratic, but I suspect that was
the least-interesting of the rewards), and it still gives me small
checks now and then. And _Polychrome_ was a niche book in a niche field.
Yeah, I was going to say something, but I don't have any sales figures
or anything. If you want to see an example of "it didn't go well," I
could point you at some failed kickstarters, or self-published books
with Amazon ranks in eight digits.

(One Kickstarter I backed only got $271 pledged of a $3,000 goal.
Funny thing is, the guy published anyway, and book's Amazon rank is
now pretty respectable. Not great, but respectable.)

When I was putting together my own Kickstarters, I stumbled across one
poor schmuck who had NO pledges whatsoever -- not even his best
friends backed him. (I can't find it now to prove it, alas!) THAT
didn't go well.

(When I went looking for it just now I did find one that somehow met
its $9,000 goal with just 23 backers; pretty sure someone cheated on
that, and got a friend or relative to kick in most of it. The
description is ghastly. And there are lots with pitifully few
backers.)
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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If I wanted to write a Postapocalyptica book (I don't really, though I
do have an idea for a classic "Disaster Novel"), it'd be a MAGICAL
postapocalyptic book.
You have a strong predecessor to measure up against: _The Magic
Goes Away_ by Larry Niven.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Ahasuerus
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Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a
significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job goes into the
ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's
all it is.
You never know. Rafael Sabatini produced a steady steam of books in the
1900s and 1910s yet remained obscure. And then _Scaramouche_ came out in
1921 and, just like that, Sabatini became an overnight success.
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Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a
significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job goes into the
ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's
all it is.
You never know. Rafael Sabatini produced a steady steam of books in the
1900s and 1910s yet remained obscure. And then _Scaramouche_ came out in
1921 and, just like that, Sabatini became an overnight success.
Ah, but I've read Sabatini, and I, sir, am no Sabatini. ;)
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a
significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job goes into the
ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the lottery, but that's
all it is.
You never know. Rafael Sabatini produced a steady steam of books in
the 1900s and 1910s yet remained obscure. And then _Scaramouche_
came out in 1921 and, just like that, Sabatini became an overnight
success.
Ah, but I've read Sabatini, and I, sir, am no Sabatini. ;)
It so happens that I've read Sabatini and I've read you. And I agree
that you are no Sabatini.

But then again, Sabatini is no you ;-)
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Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start
making a significant difference, but to be able to just quit
my job goes into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream,
like winning the lottery, but that's all it is.
You never know. Rafael Sabatini produced a steady steam of
books in the 1900s and 1910s yet remained obscure. And then
_Scaramouche_ came out in 1921 and, just like that, Sabatini
became an overnight success.
Ah, but I've read Sabatini, and I, sir, am no Sabatini. ;)
It so happens that I've read Sabatini and I've read you. And I
agree that you are no Sabatini.
But then again, Sabatini is no you ;-)
Among other things, Ryk is still still alive. And writing.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 12:56:46 PM UTC-4, John F.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a
crowd of aliens, including the phrase "I know you are,
but what am I?", and a lynch mob eventually throws him
off the edge of Skydock, to his presumed death. He is
searched for, but all that is found is a group of
predators, presumed to have eaten him.
Such cruelty to animals! How could you, Ryk?..
I believe the metaphor is that the predators who eat me are
the denizens of rec.arts.sf.written. If not, it should be.
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more
asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Of course, since you are only presumed dead (no body is
found),
Sea Wasp is leaving open the possibility of you reappearing
later in the series.
Assuming there is more to the series. Which there'd better
be, dammit.
If enough people would subscribe to my Patreon so I could dump my day
job, that'd drastically increase my output...
Just out of idel curiosity, how much would that take?
Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo
I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does, so
probably something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets
that much on Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author
like me.
Obviously, if I got into four figures at all it would start making a
significant difference, but to be able to just quit my job goes
into the ridiculous territory. A nice dream, like winning the
lottery, but that's all it is.
Yeah, that's what I figured. But do keep us informed of any
Kickstarters that you feel inclined to try.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo
I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does, so probably
something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on
Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author like me.
I think Jeph Jacques might; he's definitely well over $4,000 a month.

His page used to give a dollar total; it doesn't anymore. He has
4,711 patrons, though, with a $1 minimum and a $5 bonus level. Also a
$10 level and a $100 level, but I'm not sure he has anyone at those.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
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Heh. A lot. My day job's in the range of 75k, and of course going solo
I'd have to be paying some of the stuff my employer does, so probably
something over 8k/month. I don't know if ANYONE gets that much on
Patreon, let alone a not-terribly-well-known author like me.
I think Jeph Jacques might; he's definitely well over $4,000 a month.
His page used to give a dollar total; it doesn't anymore. He has
4,711 patrons, though, with a $1 minimum and a $5 bonus level. Also a
$10 level and a $100 level, but I'm not sure he has anyone at those.
I'm sure he must; I have people at all offered levels of mine (which go
up to $50), and if I do, I can't imagine someone like Jeph can't manage
at least a couple at $100.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"


and a
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lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Website: http://www.grandcentralarena.com Blog:
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
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lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
--
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
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lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
So you're saying that for a suitably large contribution to Ryk's (fill
in the blank) fund anyone can be brought back from the dead? :)
--
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Winter 2016 survey began Dec 01 and will end Feb 28
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
Well, Terry's request was to be KILLED, not to SEEM to be killed.
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So you're saying that for a suitably large contribution to Ryk's (fill
in the blank) fund anyone can be brought back from the dead? :)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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http://seawasp.livejournal.com
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to
his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is
found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found,
there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a
later book.
Well, Terry's request was to be KILLED, not to SEEM to be
killed.
IIRC, my exact words were "torn apart by an angry mob," which
certainly implies death. And "thrown to a pack of carnnivores" is
an excellent substitute.
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So you're saying that for a suitably large contribution to
Ryk's (fill in the blank) fund anyone can be brought back from
the dead? :)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that
contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have
no intention of bringing that bastard back.
Depends on the quality of the next Kickstarter, I guess.
--
Terry Austin

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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal! This one
effectively just inverts the mirror neurons unexpectdly, right?
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Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.

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Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.
and there's always timetravel...
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal! This one
effectively just inverts the mirror neurons unexpectdly, right?
Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal! This one
effectively just inverts the mirror neurons unexpectdly, right?
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Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Now I just need to figure out why the line "Treason never prospers
because if it does, it is no longer called treason." comes to mind when
I read that. :)
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal! This
one effectively just inverts the mirror neurons unexpectdly, right?
Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to
write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Now I just need to figure out why the line "Treason never prospers
because if it does, it is no longer called treason." comes to mind
when I read that. :)
The original:

Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.

- John Harrington 1561-1612

pt
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal! This
one effectively just inverts the mirror neurons unexpectdly, right?
Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to
write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Now I just need to figure out why the line "Treason never prospers
because if it does, it is no longer called treason." comes to mind
when I read that. :)
Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.
- John Harrington 1561-1612
Thank you.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal! This one
effectively just inverts the mirror neurons unexpectdly, right?
Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I have no
intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Now I just need to figure out why the line "Treason never prospers
because if it does, it is no longer called treason." comes to mind when
I read that. :)
Because I intended it to. ;)
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Now I just need to figure out why the line "Treason never prospers
because if it does, it is no longer called treason." comes to mind when
I read that. :)
Because I intended it to. ;)
Cliche never prospers either
For if it does, it is a refreshing treatment of the subject.

Sincerely,

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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.

The book version of Patriot Games was released after Hunt for Red
October but is set earlier. I suspect that it was written but didn't
sell. But it prospered. (The movie is a sequel.)

The thread for "Young [charactername]" is over there. I don't really
know the prosperity level of these tales.

I'm sure that there are backstory prequel novels out there that nobody
realizes are derivative and earlier than something else.

I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it better than
DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general opinion.
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined
to write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much
as A Fire Upon the Deep.
The book version of Patriot Games was released after Hunt for
Red October but is set earlier. I suspect that it was written
but didn't sell. But it prospered. (The movie is a sequel.)
The thread for "Young [charactername]" is over there. I don't
really know the prosperity level of these tales.
I'm sure that there are backstory prequel novels out there that
nobody realizes are derivative and earlier than something else.
I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it
better than DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general opinion.
I note that even you, apparently a fan of prequels, have erased the
Star Wars prequels from our memory.
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Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it
better than DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general opinion.
I note that even you, apparently a fan of prequels, have erased the
Star Wars prequels from our memory.
Yup.
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I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it
better than DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general
opinion.
I note that even you, apparently a fan of prequels, have erased
the Star Wars prequels from our memory.
Yup.
You might not be *quite* as stupid as you look.
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it
better than DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general
opinion.
I note that even you, apparently a fan of prequels, have erased
the Star Wars prequels from our memory.
Yup.
You might not be *quite* as stupid as you look.
Though the "Darth Jar Jar" concept may have rescued the first one.
I'm not willing to re-watch it to tell.

I don't even remember 2 or 3. I consider 4,5 and 8 worth watching. I
didn't get to watch 3.8 yet.
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I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it
better than DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general
opinion.
I note that even you, apparently a fan of prequels, have
erased the Star Wars prequels from our memory.
Yup.
You might not be *quite* as stupid as you look.
Though the "Darth Jar Jar" concept may have rescued the first
one. I'm not willing to re-watch it to tell.
There have been suggestions that the producers of the current movies
took that seriously. For about five minutes, then decided that even
that couldn't possibly keep them safe from the pitchforks and
torches.
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepness in the Sky as much as
A Fire Upon the Deep.
Not me. Deepness had a lot of good individual bits in it, but its plot
structure was far too similar to its precursor, to the point that it
became annoying on the first reading.

John
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
That was one of the things I was thinking of when I said "rarely"
rather than "never".
Post by Greg Goss
The book version of Patriot Games was released after Hunt for Red
October but is set earlier. I suspect that it was written but didn't
sell. But it prospered. (The movie is a sequel.)
The thread for "Young [charactername]" is over there. I don't really
know the prosperity level of these tales.
I'm sure that there are backstory prequel novels out there that nobody
realizes are derivative and earlier than something else.
I was using "prosper" so I could riff on treason never prospers, but
more accurately I should say that prequels usually just suck.
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I guess I have to concede "Enterprise" to you. I liked it better than
DS9 or Voyager, but that wasn't the general opinion.
That and several of the "young" attempts are ones that come to mind as
"suck". And the Star Wars ones are the most obvious example, naturally.
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
The book version of Patriot Games was released after Hunt for Red
October but is set earlier. I suspect that it was written but didn't
sell. But it prospered. (The movie is a sequel.)
The thread for "Young [charactername]" is over there. I don't really
know the prosperity level of these tales.
I'll just sneak past, dropping a mention of the JL8 webcomic here.

Dave, Animaniacs started OUT young
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition to most here, don't like the Tines. That was reinforced when I started the third book and (rarely for me) gave up partway through.

Brian
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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition to most here, don't like the Tines.
Same for me, even though IRL I like dogs and have a spider phobia.
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That was reinforced when I started the third book and (rarely for me) gave up partway through.
After I read the outline in a review, I didn't even bother starting
it.
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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition to most here, don't like the Tines.
Same for me, even though IRL I like dogs and have a spider phobia.
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That was reinforced when I started the third book and (rarely for me) gave up partway through.
After I read the outline in a review, I didn't even bother starting
it.
I liked the general background with the Zones, the alien species, even the slightly silly Galactic Usenet. I wish Vinge would have explored that a lot more.

Brian
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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively separate from any of the future stories) I'm not
much inclined to write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much
as A Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in
opposition to most here, don't like the Tines.
Same for me, even though IRL I like dogs and have a spider phobia.
Post by Default User
That was reinforced when I started the third book and (rarely for
me) gave up partway through.
After I read the outline in a review, I didn't even bother starting
it.
I preferred A Deepness in the Sky as well but thought both were
brilliant. I haven't read The Children of the Sky yet but Fantastic
Fiction classifies it as a similar book to Ann Leckie's Ancillary
Justice and Ancillary Sword so I am looking forward to it.
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I preferred A Deepness in the Sky as well but thought both were
brilliant. I haven't read The Children of the Sky yet but Fantastic
Fiction classifies it as a similar book to Ann Leckie's Ancillary
Justice and Ancillary Sword so I am looking forward to it.
You should not believe everything you read.

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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition to most here, don't like the Tines. That was reinforced when I started the third book and (rarely for me) gave up partway through.
I haven't read the third, but Deepness was a better book all around, in
my view. And I like the Tines, so it's not just that.
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition to most here, don't like the Tines.
You are certainly not alone, or even in a small minority. A friend gave up on the book shortly after the Tines were introduced. I paused for about a month somewhere in Woodcarver's military campaign. Quite a few people seem to have found that section uninteresting or worse.

But on a second read I actually liked the sections with the Tines, and, against expectations, really liked "Children of the Sky". I have no explanation for this.

I agree with your post below. I want more of the Beyond and its peoples. I assume some are left.

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Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition to most here, don't like the Tines.
You are certainly not alone, or even in a small minority. A friend gave up on the book shortly after the Tines were introduced. I paused for about a month somewhere in Woodcarver's military campaign. Quite a few people seem to have found that section uninteresting or worse.
But on a second read I actually liked the sections with the Tines, and, against expectations, really liked "Children of the Sky". I have no explanation for this.
That's the opposite of my experience. I enjoyed the whole book on the
first read, but the tines world stuff dragged on the re-read. It's
not like I found something that kicked me out of belief - those
segments just no longer interested me, while the high-tech stuff did.
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I agree with your post below. I want more of the Beyond and its peoples. I assume some are left.
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That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined to write
them; prequels rarely prosper.
Everyone but me seems to have liked A Deepnes in the Sky as much as A
Fire Upon the Deep.
I actually preferred "Deepness". The main reason being that I, in opposition
to most here, don't like the Tines. That was reinforced when I started the
third book and (rarely for me) gave up partway through.
OTOH, my problem with _The Children of the Sky_ are the people (I have
been stuck in chapter 10 for years). I haven't seen a bigger bunch of
brainless fools since I was in college (BTW, that includes Ravna).
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal!
This one effectively just inverts the mirror neurons
unexpectdly, right?
Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Probably. Though depending on the character, that
contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I
have no intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for
flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined
to write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Prequels rarely fail to suck. This is, in part, inherent, in that
you _know_ how they end (at least, in general), and you can't
violate that canon and still pretend it's a prequel. But mostly,
it's because prequels are not written because there's a story to
tell, they're written because somebody offered the author enough
money to sell their creative soul.
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Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal!
This one effectively just inverts the mirror neurons
unexpectdly, right?
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Probably. Though depending on the character, that
contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I
have no intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for
flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined
to write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Prequels rarely fail to suck. This is, in part, inherent, in that
you _know_ how they end (at least, in general), and you can't
violate that canon and still pretend it's a prequel. But mostly,
it's because prequels are not written because there's a story to
tell, they're written because somebody offered the author enough
money to sell their creative soul.
I hate authors, those crappy bastards.

(Not really.)

And sneaky! It turns out _To Kill a Mockingbird_
was a prequel all along.

(Not really.)

Well, I'm not going to read it now.

(Probably true.)
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are universal!
This one effectively just inverts the mirror neurons
unexpectdly, right?
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Probably. Though depending on the character, that
contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I
have no intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for
flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in,
effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much inclined
to write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Prequels rarely fail to suck. This is, in part, inherent, in that
you _know_ how they end (at least, in general), and you can't
violate that canon and still pretend it's a prequel.
Dave Duncan's Kings Blades series is kind of a counter example
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
But mostly,
it's because prequels are not written because there's a story to
tell, they're written because somebody offered the author enough
money to sell their creative soul.
The Craft Sequence
The earlier Pern stories strike me as counter examples
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Wrote in
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what
am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being
TRANSLATED???"
Hey, some concepts, particularly low-level ones, are
universal! This one effectively just inverts the mirror
neurons unexpectdly, right?
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Probably. Though depending on the character, that
contribution might
have to be very large. For instance, once I kill Virigar I
have no intention of bringing that bastard back.
But that's okay, he has TONS of backstory available for
flashback stories.
That's true, but unless it's VERY far backstory (as in, effectively
separate from any of the future stories) I'm not much
inclined to write them; prequels rarely prosper.
Prequels rarely fail to suck. This is, in part, inherent, in
that you _know_ how they end (at least, in general), and you
can't violate that canon and still pretend it's a prequel.
Dave Duncan's Kings Blades series is kind of a counter example
That sounds like something I wouldn't have been interested in
anyway, but since I've never heard of it, it's hard to say.
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But mostly,
it's because prequels are not written because there's a story
to tell, they're written because somebody offered the author
enough money to sell their creative soul.
The Craft Sequence
The earlier Pern stories strike me as counter examples
If you say so. Pern is one of the most overwritten series I've ever
seen (excpet, perhapd, Honor Harrington). I gave up when it became
clear it had truned into a "how many times can I get paid to write
the same story, without even changing the names?" experiment.
--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
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lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
Surely he has to leave the possibility open so you'll have an excuse
to donate generously to his _next_ kickstarter.
--
Leif Roar Moldskred
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Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found,
there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a
later book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
Surely he has to leave the possibility open so you'll have an
excuse to donate generously to his _next_ kickstarter.
That thought, too, occured to me. I wouldn't hesitate.
--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
Well, it's not the funding level, it's what kind of a character I make
of someone, which is partly due to what they request. You requested,
specifically, a death, so that pretty much ruled out "recurring" unless
you were a Timelord or something.

Other people described their character in terms that ended up becoming
more permanent.
--
Sea Wasp
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in
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to
his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is
found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found,
there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a
later book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
Well, it's not the funding level, it's what kind of a
character I make
of someone, which is partly due to what they request.
I have a vague recollection that the level I went to was "a guest
appearance," and the one higher level was "recurring character."
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You
requested, specifically, a death, so that pretty much ruled out
"recurring" unless you were a Timelord or something.
It's anime, which isn't far from actual comic books. And in comic
books, if a character is dead, they're still alive, and if you have
a body, that *proves* they're still alive.

You're entirely skilled enough to pull it off, if you decide it
serves the needs to the story.
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Other people described their character in terms that ended up becoming
more permanent.
I have no regrets. I mean, think about it: My name is in the
subject to an *on* *topic* thread! That's about as many levels of
win as any troll could ever hope for.
--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
Well, it's not the funding level, it's what kind of a character I
make of someone, which is partly due to what they request. You
requested, specifically, a death, so that pretty much ruled out
"recurring" unless you were a Timelord or something.
Other people described their character in terms that ended up
becoming more permanent.
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured, restrained with
all senses blocked except his ears with *lan B*ker's posts being read
into one and *om *ra*man's the other with a half hour break every half
hour. During the break *u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's
would replce T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly donations,
perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by predators?

Or perhaps not?
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock,
to his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is
found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a
later book.
That thought had occured to me, too, but I didn't back the
Kickstarter at a level to qualify for a recurring character.
Well, it's not the funding level, it's what kind of a
character I
make of someone, which is partly due to what they request. You
requested, specifically, a death, so that pretty much ruled out
"recurring" unless you were a Timelord or something.
Other people described their character in terms that ended up
becoming more permanent.
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured, restrained
with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan B*ker's posts
being read into one and *om *ra*man's the other with a half hour
break every half hour. During the break *u*d*bloc's would
replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would replce T*'s. After a few
years of voluntary monthly donations, perhaps he could escape,
perhaps to be eaten by predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured, restrained
with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan B*ker's posts
being read into one and *om *ra*man's the other with a half hour
break every half hour. During the break *u*d*bloc's would
replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would replce T*'s. After a few
years of voluntary monthly donations, perhaps he could escape,
perhaps to be eaten by predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
Personalised horror, maybe.

I find those twits boring.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
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Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured,
restrained with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan
B*ker's posts being read into one and *om *ra*man's the other
with a half hour break every half hour. During the break
*u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would replce
T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly donations,
perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
Personalised horror, maybe.
I find those twits boring.
Boredom that you _can't_ turn off, _ever_, isn't horrifying to
you?
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:19:59 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
[snip]
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Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured,
restrained with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan
B*ker's posts being read into one and *om *ra*man's the other
with a half hour break every half hour. During the break
*u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would replce
T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly donations,
perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
Personalised horror, maybe.
I find those twits boring.
Boredom that you _can't_ turn off, _ever_, isn't horrifying to
you?
*MY* killfile works.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:19:59 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
[snip]
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Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured,
restrained with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan
B*ker's posts being read into one and *om *ra*man's the
other with a half hour break every half hour. During the
break *u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would
replce T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly
donations, perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by
predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
Personalised horror, maybe.
I find those twits boring.
Boredom that you _can't_ turn off, _ever_, isn't horrifying to
you?
*MY* killfile works.
That is not the scenario being discussed. Appaerently, the actual
propsed scenario is so horrifying that you have edited your
perception of reality to exclude it. I don't blame you.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:13:01 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Post by Gene Wirchenko
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:19:59 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
[snip]
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured,
restrained with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan
B*ker's posts being read into one and *om *ra*man's the
other with a half hour break every half hour. During the
break *u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would
replce T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly
donations, perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by
predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
Personalised horror, maybe.
I find those twits boring.
Boredom that you _can't_ turn off, _ever_, isn't horrifying to
you?
*MY* killfile works.
That is not the scenario being discussed. Appaerently, the actual
propsed scenario is so horrifying that you have edited your
perception of reality to exclude it. I don't blame you.
Nah, just a waste of time.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:13:01 -0700, Gutless Umbrella Carrying
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Post by Gene Wirchenko
On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:19:59 -0700, Gutless Umbrella
[snip]
Post by Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured,
restrained with all senses blocked except his ears with
*lan B*ker's posts being read into one and *om *ra*man's
the other with a half hour break every half hour. During
the break *u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's
would replce T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly
donations, perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by
predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a
good start.
Personalised horror, maybe.
I find those twits boring.
Boredom that you _can't_ turn off, _ever_, isn't horrifying to
you?
*MY* killfile works.
That is not the scenario being discussed. Appaerently, the
actual propsed scenario is so horrifying that you have edited
your perception of reality to exclude it. I don't blame you.
Nah, just a waste of time.
I rest my case.
--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
John F. Eldredge
2017-03-22 18:58:11 UTC
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Post by Titus G
Perhaps instead of being eaten, he has been captured,
restrained with all senses blocked except his ears with *lan
B*ker's posts being read into one and *om *ra*man's the other
with a half hour break every half hour. During the break
*u*d*bloc's would replace A*'s and *t*rmak*r's would replce
T*'s. After a few years of voluntary monthly donations,
perhaps he could escape, perhaps to be eaten by predators?
Or perhaps not?
Ryk, if you ever take up writing horror, this would be a good
start.
Personalised horror, maybe.
I find those twits boring.
Boredom that you _can't_ turn off, _ever_, isn't horrifying to
you?
--
Terry Austin
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
This would definitely be a "show, don't tell" situation, or else a
lot of readers would also get bored and drop the book at that
point.
--
John F. Eldredge, ***@jfeldredge.com
Jerry Brown
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
A suspiciously similar character named "Throbbing Sausage" could put
in an appearance (I can't remember the other TerrryNyms at the
moment).
--
Jerry Brown

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Post by John F. Eldredge
Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
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lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
A suspiciously similar character named "Throbbing Sausage" could put
in an appearance (I can't remember the other TerrryNyms at the
moment).
Captain GUCS?

Kevin R
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2017-03-18 14:26:58 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
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lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
A suspiciously similar character named "Throbbing Sausage" could put
in an appearance (I can't remember the other TerrryNyms at the
moment).
Or I could have someone called a gutless umbrella-carrying sissy.
--
Sea Wasp
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Ahasuerus
2017-03-18 15:19:17 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:23:54 -0500 (CDT), "John F. Eldredge"
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found, there
is always the possibility that he could turn up again in a later
book.
A suspiciously similar character named "Throbbing Sausage" could put
in an appearance (I can't remember the other TerrryNyms at the
moment).
Or I could have someone called a gutless umbrella-carrying sissy.
There are many ways to do it -- see George O. Smith's "Doctor Lyon
Sprague decamped with alacrity."
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-03-18 21:35:00 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2017 23:23:54 -0500 (CDT), "John F. Eldredge"
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new
Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of
aliens, including the phrase "I know you are, but what am
I?",
Simon's thought: "How is that even being TRANSLATED???"
and a
Post by John F. Eldredge
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to
his presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is
found is a group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
It was his personal request. Paid for, in fact. :)
Since he is presumed dead, rather than his body being found,
there is always the possibility that he could turn up again in
a later book.
A suspiciously similar character named "Throbbing Sausage"
could put in an appearance (I can't remember the other
TerrryNyms at the moment).
Or I could have someone called a gutless umbrella-carrying sissy.
By someone who acknowledges they don't have the sense to come in
out of the rain? Yeah, I'd pay again for that.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-19 00:15:01 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
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New novel??? i no see no stiny terry austin in there..
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-1/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-2/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-3/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-4/
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2017-03-19 01:58:26 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
--
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New novel??? i no see no stiny terry austin in there..
You have to read more than the chapter numbers. You have to be *able*
to read more htan the chapter numbers.

Heh.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-19 13:35:10 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
--
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New novel??? i no see no stiny terry austin in there..
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-1/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-2/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-3/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-4/
Terry does not make his appearance (and farewell) until Chapter 17.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
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2017-03-20 04:37:00 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
--
----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
New novel??? i no see no stiny terry austin in there..
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-1/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-2/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-3/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-4/
Terry does not make his appearance (and farewell) until Chapter 17.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-17/

wat kind of book is dis?
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2017-03-20 06:46:34 UTC
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wat kind of book is dis?
The kind with words. Beyond your abilities.
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Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-20 12:39:24 UTC
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Our Terry Austin appears, briefly, in Ryk Spoor's new Arenaverse
novel, "Challenges of the Deep". He taunts a crowd of aliens,
including the phrase "I know you are, but what am I?", and a
lynch mob eventually throws him off the edge of Skydock, to his
presumed death. He is searched for, but all that is found is a
group of predators, presumed to have eaten him.
--
----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/
New novel??? i no see no stiny terry austin in there..
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-1/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-2/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-3/
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-4/
Terry does not make his appearance (and farewell) until Chapter 17.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
http://seawasp.livejournal.com
http://grandcentralarena.com/challenges-of-the-deeps-chapter-17/
wat kind of book is dis?
What's usually called "space opera", which means not so much attention
to doing detailed scientific stuff (like in "hard-SF") and a lot more to
grand-scale adventures; the Arenaverse is a salute to the so-called
"Golden Age" authors, especially Doc Smith.

_Challenges of the Deeps_ is the third book in the series, so if you're
actually interested at all, you should start with _Grand Central Arena_.
Yes, there's a summary of What Went Before at the beginning of the book,
but that's not really the same as actually reading the books.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
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