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Dorothy J Heydt
2017-03-30 16:50:10 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html

The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.

/cautious cheer
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Peter Trei
2017-03-30 17:18:11 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
At least the landscape would be just like home...

Which way would you bow towards Mecca?

pt
Lynn McGuire
2017-03-30 17:27:28 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
At least the landscape would be just like home...
Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
pt
Towards the Sun.

John Varley addressed this in his interstellar, generation ship book. The muslims pray towards the stern of the ship.
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Lightning-Thunder-John-Varley/dp/042527408X/

Lynn
Peter Trei
2017-03-30 17:58:08 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
At least the landscape would be just like home...
Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
pt
Towards the Sun.
John Varley addressed this in his interstellar, generation ship book. The muslims pray towards the stern of the ship.
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Lightning-Thunder-John-Varley/dp/042527408X/
In a generation ship traveling for decades away from earth, that would make
sense. Less so when you're on ship or planet continually changing orientation
with regard to earth.

I'm looking around for a new watch, and I noticed that some G-Shocks now have a 'qibla' function using compass, time, and gps to point the second hand towards
Mecca.

I kind of doubt if Varley is a real authority on the subject.

pt
Quadibloc
2017-03-30 18:54:29 UTC
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Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
And Christians and Jews would have another problem there, which they would share
with Muslims: which day is Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?

John Savard
Peter Trei
2017-03-30 20:04:05 UTC
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Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
And Christians and Jews would have another problem there, which they would share
with Muslims: which day is Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
John Savard
Muslims and Jews have had to deal with this for a long time, in regards to
living above the arctic and antarctic circles. The funner thing will be how
to deal with calendars when the days and the clock no longer correspond
to Earth's.

I don't want to think about calculating the date of Easter on Mars.

pt
Robert Carnegie
2017-03-31 21:47:57 UTC
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Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
And Christians and Jews would have another problem there, which they would share
with Muslims: which day is Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
John Savard
Muslims and Jews have had to deal with this for a long time, in regards to
living above the arctic and antarctic circles. The funner thing will be how
to deal with calendars when the days and the clock no longer correspond
to Earth's.
Controversial important religious questions -
which direction to face when you pray, and how
to do it.

The answer is obvious: people will disagree,
divide, and fight to the death over it, while
declaring each other to be not true believers
anyway.

I think it is necessary to say that this is
not just Muslims and isn't even just now
/mainly/ Muslims; clearly it isn't /not/
Muslims (obviously I'm counting "Those
Disgusting Heretics" as Muslims, sorryNOTSORRY)
but can you show me a religion that can't or
doesn't do this over either trivia (are beavers
fish?) or questions that only God can answer
and s/he hasn't (where did s/he used to live
before s/he moved into heaven)? Anyway, Muslims
havē often lived peacefully with different ideas
amongst them, although this might be achieved
by not counting "Those Disgusting Heretics"
as Muslims, which is what I was talking about
at the start of this paragraph.
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I don't want to think about calculating the
date of Easter on Mars.
Big fight about that one already on Earth.
I think they only agreed on not having it
when Jews did despite it being specifically
the same holiday. I might be overstating
the importance of making it different from
Passover, or, confusing it with "when is
the Sabbath" (different for Jews, Christians,
Seventh-Day Christians, Muslims, who else?)
Robert Carnegie
2017-04-01 00:28:13 UTC
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Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
And Christians and Jews would have another problem there, which they would share
with Muslims: which day is Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
John Savard
Muslims and Jews have had to deal with this for a long time, in regards to
living above the arctic and antarctic circles. The funner thing will be how
to deal with calendars when the days and the clock no longer correspond
to Earth's.
Controversial important religious questions -
which direction to face when you pray, and how
to do it.
...or, as I meant to say, how often to do it.
Please read on accordingly.
Post by Robert Carnegie
The answer is obvious: people will disagree,
divide, and fight to the death over it, while
declaring each other to be not true believers
anyway.
I think it is necessary to say that this is
not just Muslims and isn't even just now
/mainly/ Muslims; clearly it isn't /not/
Muslims (obviously I'm counting "Those
Disgusting Heretics" as Muslims, sorryNOTSORRY)
but can you show me a religion that can't or
doesn't do this over either trivia (are beavers
fish?) or questions that only God can answer
and s/he hasn't (where did s/he used to live
before s/he moved into heaven)? Anyway, Muslims
havē often lived peacefully with different ideas
amongst them, although this might be achieved
by not counting "Those Disgusting Heretics"
as Muslims, which is what I was talking about
at the start of this paragraph.
Post by Peter Trei
I don't want to think about calculating the
date of Easter on Mars.
Big fight about that one already on Earth.
I think they only agreed on not having it
when Jews did despite it being specifically
the same holiday. I might be overstating
the importance of making it different from
Passover, or, confusing it with "when is
the Sabbath" (different for Jews, Christians,
Seventh-Day Christians, Muslims, who else?)
Quadibloc
2017-04-01 00:30:26 UTC
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(obviously I'm counting "Those
Disgusting Heretics" as Muslims, sorryNOTSORRY)
Where did the Ahmadiyya Muslims come into this?

Or is this a reference merely to the Sunni/Shi'a divide?

John Savard
Robert Carnegie
2017-04-01 00:48:51 UTC
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(obviously I'm counting "Those
Disgusting Heretics" as Muslims, sorryNOTSORRY)
Where did the Ahmadiyya Muslims come into this?
Or is this a reference merely to the Sunni/Shi'a divide?
John Savard
I mean those who claim to be Muslims, but, due
to their errors of belief and practice, clearly
aren't. Which is all of them, from someone's
point of view. Obviously including those that
you mentioned.

I did mean to say, on the other hand, that pretty much anything that we infidels think of as "a thing
that Muslims believe / do" is liable to turn out
be something that millions of self-described
"Muslims", strict practitioners by their lights,
reject. Including within the differences that
you mentioned. No pictures? No visible women?
Snipping off bits of children's genital organs
(male and/or female)? Not eating pork?
No prophets after Mohammed (you really think
they'll stick to that one - but then they said
the same thing about Elijah [perhaps].) No saints.
No relics. All flexible to some variant school
of thought. A month or two back, a Muslim that
I didn't know but chatted to on the bus offered
to buy me a drink as we dismounted - unfortunately
I didn't have time to accept, but isn't alcohol
another Muslim no-no? Well, I think we had
established that the person who would have
accepted the drink wasn't a Muslim, was Christian
(presently honorary), so, permitted, perhaps.
I didn't ask about it, I was being rude already.
Quadibloc
2017-04-01 01:39:35 UTC
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isn't alcohol
another Muslim no-no?
I've heard somewhere that some Muslims (perhaps Shi'ites) believe that
wine, and possibly beer, are OK, and it's only distilled liquor that is
prohibited.

John Savard
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2017-04-01 02:31:13 UTC
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isn't alcohol
another Muslim no-no?
I've heard somewhere that some Muslims (perhaps Shi'ites) believe that
wine, and possibly beer, are OK, and it's only distilled liquor that is
prohibited.
My observation is that many Muslims will ignore a lot of the less
convenient requirements of their religion when not aound other Muslims.

A secular Jew can ignore kosher, etc, with impunity, but a secular Muslim
is much more likely to be closeted about his or her secularism.

pt
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2017-04-02 12:16:07 UTC
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isn't alcohol
another Muslim no-no?
I've heard somewhere that some Muslims (perhaps Shi'ites) believe that
wine, and possibly beer, are OK, and it's only distilled liquor that is
prohibited.
My observation is that many Muslims will ignore a lot of the less
convenient requirements of their religion when not aound other Muslims.
A secular Jew can ignore kosher, etc, with impunity, but a secular Muslim
is much more likely to be closeted about his or her secularism.
The pattern that I observe is that secular Jews go along to get along
with their relatives - while in their presence or at their homes. Since
I've also seen that among several flavors of Christians and Hindus, I
presume it's more or less universal.

"Dad, why are we going to temple?"

"Because Grandma likes it, and we're being polite. Now, remember not
to ask for sesame beef, ok? I know it's your favorite, but you can
have it next time."

-dsr-
Dorothy J Heydt
2017-03-31 05:14:35 UTC
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Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
And Christians and Jews would have another problem there, which they would share
with Muslims: which day is Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
Yes. Careful calculations would be required, since IIRC a
Martian sol is only a little longer than an Earth day.
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2017-03-31 05:33:32 UTC
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Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
And Christians and Jews would have another problem there, which they would share
with Muslims: which day is Friday, Saturday, or Sunday?
Yes. Careful calculations would be required, since IIRC a
Martian sol is only a little longer than an Earth day.
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2017-03-31 05:13:40 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
At least the landscape would be just like home...
Which way would you bow towards Mecca?
Straight up, I should think.

But maybe not. I once found, not the instrument itself, but an
instruction booklet for a gadget that allowed pious Muslims,
travelling abroad, to know (a) when and (b) in what direction to
pray, according to local time of day and location. I assume a
GPS was part of it.

So maybe Muslims on Mars would need a gadget to tell them where
Earth was in their sky. Or toward the horizon if by chance it
wasn't visible, keeping in mind that Earth is sunward from Mars,
but that Mars rotates. It might at times be at their nadir.
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Don Kuenz
2017-03-31 14:28:45 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
UAC's virtue signaling certainly seems more robust than the Saud
family's recent promotion:

Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls Council - with only men on stage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/

Thank you,

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Lynn McGuire
2017-03-31 17:46:49 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
UAC's virtue signaling certainly seems more robust than the Saud
Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls Council - with only men on stage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/
Thank you,
--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU
I doubt the Saud family has anything to do with the girl's council. The rumor on the streets is that the Saud family is preparing to
leave Saudi Arabia. They are reputedly preparing an IPO for Saudi Aramco in 2018 has a preliminary value of two trillion US dollars.

Lynn
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
Post by Don Kuenz
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
UAC's virtue signaling certainly seems more robust than the Saud
Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls Council - with only men on stage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/
Post by Don Kuenz
Thank you,
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I doubt the Saud family has anything to do with the girl's council. The
rumor on the streets is that the Saud family is preparing to
leave Saudi Arabia. They are reputedly preparing an IPO for Saudi
Aramco in 2018 has a preliminary value of two trillion US dollars.
Well, gosh.

Whom would they leave in charge in their place? Anybody
know/guess?
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2017-03-31 19:39:56 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
UAC's virtue signaling certainly seems more robust than the Saud
Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls Council - with only men on stage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/
Post by Don Kuenz
Thank you,
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I doubt the Saud family has anything to do with the girl's council. The
rumor on the streets is that the Saud family is preparing to
leave Saudi Arabia. They are reputedly preparing an IPO for Saudi
Aramco in 2018 has a preliminary value of two trillion US dollars.
Well, gosh.
Whom would they leave in charge in their place? Anybody
know/guess?
The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the
population of Saudi Arabia with them. So the only people who would be
left to take over would be the Sunni priests (who already think they
half are running the place). Frankly I doubt the Sauds are planning any
such exodus.
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Lynn McGuire
2017-03-31 21:09:52 UTC
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
UAC's virtue signaling certainly seems more robust than the Saud
Saudi Arabia launches its first Girls Council - with only men on stage
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/14/saudi-arabia-launches-first-girls-council-men-stage/
Post by Don Kuenz
Thank you,
--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU
I doubt the Saud family has anything to do with the girl's council. The
rumor on the streets is that the Saud family is preparing to
leave Saudi Arabia. They are reputedly preparing an IPO for Saudi
Aramco in 2018 has a preliminary value of two trillion US dollars.
Well, gosh.
Whom would they leave in charge in their place? Anybody
know/guess?
The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the population of Saudi Arabia with them. So the only people who
would be left to take over would be the Sunni priests (who already think they half are running the place). Frankly I doubt the Sauds
are planning any such exodus.
Saudi Arabia is going to look like today's Venezuela in ten years, maybe more, maybe less. Too many takers, not enough producers.
The minute the pressure in Ghawar drops, the oil production will fall in half, if that much, as the reservoir converts from light
crude oil to natural gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghawar_Field
http://www.geoexpro.com/articles/2010/04/the-king-of-giant-fields

Lynn
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2017-04-01 14:55:09 UTC
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Saudi Arabia is going to look like today's Venezuela in ten years, maybe more, maybe less. Too many takers, not enough producers.
The minute the pressure in Ghawar drops, the oil production will fall in half, if that much, as the reservoir converts from light
crude oil to natural gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghawar_Field
http://www.geoexpro.com/articles/2010/04/the-king-of-giant-fields
The collapse of Saudi oil has been predictied for a while.

An investment podcast I used to listen to interviewed this guy
frequently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_in_the_Desert
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2017-04-01 15:48:20 UTC
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Saudi Arabia is going to look like today's Venezuela in ten years,
maybe more, maybe less. Too many takers, not enough producers. The
minute the pressure in Ghawar drops, the oil production will fall in
half, if that much, as the reservoir converts from light crude oil to
natural gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghawar_Field
http://www.geoexpro.com/articles/2010/04/the-king-of-giant-fields
The collapse of Saudi oil has been predictied for a while.
An investment podcast I used to listen to interviewed this guy
frequently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_in_the_Desert
Thanks, I checked the link.

'predicted for a while' - its at least 12 years now, and was written
before fracking was really a thing. I note that he lost the 10-year
bet on the price of oil he made, badly.

An old prediction of imminent disaster which hasn't come to pass isn't
'long standing'. Its 'wrong'.

What happens when we factor in fracking to Ghawar?

pt
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2017-04-02 04:06:10 UTC
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Saudi Arabia is going to look like today's Venezuela in ten years,
maybe more, maybe less. Too many takers, not enough producers. The
minute the pressure in Ghawar drops, the oil production will fall in
half, if that much, as the reservoir converts from light crude oil to
natural gas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghawar_Field
http://www.geoexpro.com/articles/2010/04/the-king-of-giant-fields
The collapse of Saudi oil has been predictied for a while.
An investment podcast I used to listen to interviewed this guy
frequently.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight_in_the_Desert
Thanks, I checked the link.
'predicted for a while' - its at least 12 years now, and was written
before fracking was really a thing. I note that he lost the 10-year
bet on the price of oil he made, badly.
An old prediction of imminent disaster which hasn't come to pass isn't
'long standing'. Its 'wrong'.
What happens when we factor in fracking to Ghawar?
pt
Fracking is only good for tight shale formations. Ghawar is not.

Fracking is actually the second of two new technologies over the last 30
years. The first is directional drilling. Ghawar does not need either
of these technologies as the problem there is outpacing the water flood.

Lynn
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Fracking is only good for tight shale formations. Ghawar is not.
I thought he was talking about the use of fracking *in the United States* -
given that this reduces the demand for Sa'udi oil, if someone was
predicting, mistakenly, that the Sa'udi economy would collapse _even in the
absence of fracking_, then the fact that it hasn't collapsed despite the
widespread use of fracking... makes his prediction even more wrong.

John Savard
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Fracking is only good for tight shale formations. Ghawar is not.
I thought he was talking about the use of fracking *in the United States* -
given that this reduces the demand for Sa'udi oil, if someone was
predicting, mistakenly, that the Sa'udi economy would collapse _even in the
absence of fracking_, then the fact that it hasn't collapsed despite the
widespread use of fracking... makes his prediction even more wrong.
I was thinking about in terms of Ghawar. Lynn probably knows more
about this than I do.

pt
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The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the
population of Saudi Arabia with them.
I presume that if an exodus _were_ planned, it would only involve the small portion of that half of the population that holds real power in Sa'udi Arabia.

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The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the
population of Saudi Arabia with them.
I presume that if an exodus _were_ planned, it would only involve the small portion of that half of the population that holds real power in Sa'udi Arabia.
John Savard
The rumor floating around is 12,000 people. One wonders if a nice new city in Arizona would meet their needs.

Lynn
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The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the
population of Saudi Arabia with them.
I presume that if an exodus _were_ planned, it would only involve the
small portion of that half of the population that holds real power in
Sa'udi Arabia.
The rumor floating around is 12,000 people. One wonders if a nice new
city in Arizona would meet their needs.
Plus servants, toadies, crooked bookkeepers, etc., etc. ;)
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The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the
population of Saudi Arabia with them.
I presume that if an exodus _were_ planned, it would only involve the
small portion of that half of the population that holds real power in
Sa'udi Arabia.
The rumor floating around is 12,000 people. One wonders if a nice new
city in Arizona would meet their needs.
Plus servants, toadies, crooked bookkeepers, etc., etc. ;)
You can hire the servants and toadies anywhere. I don't know if
making their books read as desired is a specialist skill, without
knowing what the REAL books say.
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The Saud family is so large that if they left, they would take half the
population of Saudi Arabia with them.
I presume that if an exodus _were_ planned, it would only involve the
small portion of that half of the population that holds real power in
Sa'udi Arabia.
The rumor floating around is 12,000 people. One wonders if a nice new
city in Arizona would meet their needs.
Maybe they're the ones planning the Mars trip... they'll have to bring
their own toadies...
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Tyrosine wants to go to Mars?
Forgive my nerdiness.
Or not.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
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djheydt at gmail dot com
What does UAC stand for?
Moriarty
2017-04-04 01:23:48 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/03/why_the_united_arab_emirates_is_building_a_space_program.html
The really interesting part of the story: the project is headed
by a woman.
/cautious cheer
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
What does UAC stand for?
Union Aerospace Corporation. They got to Mars and had a little demon trouble when their teleportation experiments went awry.

-Moriarty
Quadibloc
2017-04-05 18:28:11 UTC
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What does UAC stand for?
I believe it was a typo for UAE, United Arab Emirates.

John Savard

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