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Dilbert, "Aggressive Littering"
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Lynn McGuire
2018-04-28 20:12:47 UTC
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Dilbert, "Aggressive Littering"
http://dilbert.com/strip/2018-04-28

If you back up a few days, Dogbert is talking about his new cryogenic
brain storage business.

Lynn
a425couple
2018-04-29 02:41:49 UTC
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Dilbert, "Aggressive Littering"
   http://dilbert.com/strip/2018-04-28
If you back up a few days, Dogbert is talking about his new cryogenic
brain storage business.
Did you read where some scientists were keeping brains
outside bodies alive for a day and a half.

Of course, I found it very interesting that they
were immediately claiming they were not conscious,
but were fully capable of functioning!!

Does anyone recall (or want me to remind them)
of the end to Poul Anderson's 'Duel on Syrtis'?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/apr/27/scientists-keep-pigs-brains-alive-without-a-body-for-up-to-36-hours
Scientists 'keep pigs' brains alive without a body for up to 36 hours'
The brains, which are not conscious, are kept alive through the
circulation of an oxygen-rich fluid through the organs.
Researchers in the US say they have managed to keep the brains of
decapitated pigs alive outside of the body for up to 36 hours by
circulating an oxygen-rich fluid through the organs.

and

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/pig-brains-kept-alive-outside-bodies-first-time-yale-university-a8325331.html
Pig brains kept alive outside bodies for first time could have major
implications for humans
Experiment raises concerns about ethics of future research into brains
in laboratories
In a world first, scientists have revived the brains of around 200 pigs
and kept them alive outside their bodies for 36 hours.
Brains rescued from a slaughterhouse had their circulation restored with
a system of pumps, heaters and artificial blood.
While the researchers were certain the disembodied brains did not regain
consciousness, they did find that billions of cells in the brains began
functioning normally following the treatment.

or, for the delicious short story

Duel on Syrtis by Poul Anderson - Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8506769-duel-on-syrtis
Rating: 3.4 - ‎51 votes
Start by marking “Duel on Syrtis” as Want to Read: ... But his
trophy-room lacked one item; and now Riordan swore he'd bag the
forbidden game that roamed the red deserts . . . a Martian! ... Anderson
also authored several works of fantasy, historical novels, and a
prodigious number of ...

Duel On Syrtis - Poul Anderson - YouTube
Video for 'Duel on Syrtis'▶ 43:47

Feb 14, 2013 - Uploaded by NewThinkable
Duel On Syrtis (short story) by Poul Anderson "The Man Who Meant To Kill
A Martian"

Duel on Syrtis by Poul Anderson - Free Ebook - Project Gutenberg
www.gutenberg.org › 56,975 free ebooks › 9 by Poul Anderson
May 19, 2010 - Free kindle book and epub digitized and proofread by
Project Gutenberg.

Short Reviews – Duel on Syrtis, by Poul Anderson – castaliahouse.com
www.castaliahouse.com/short-reviews-duel-on-syrtis-by-poul-anderson/
Nov 4, 2016 - Duel on Syrtis by Poul Anderson appeared in the March 1951
issue of Planet Stories. It can be read here at Archive.org. Planet
Stories Logo. One is a big game hunter who complains about liberals and
suffrage, the other is a cute Martian owlbear just trying to make it in
the cruel world. Riordan has a ...
Quadibloc
2018-05-05 08:30:40 UTC
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Duel on Syrtis by Poul Anderson - Free Ebook - Project Gutenberg
Aside from the story itself being available on Project Gutenberg, the whole
issue of Planet Stories in which it originally appeared is on the Internet
Archive.

The premise, of course, has appeared numerous times before and since, perhaps
most notably of late in the movie Avatar. The Man Who Loved Mars also comes to
mind, but in the Anderson story, we don't have a human protagonist doing the
heavy lifting.

This type of story, I think, isn't an attempt to predict what is most likely to
actually happen as we explore space - instead, it uses a science-fiction setting
to look at history, and one way to do that is to create a situation where the
indigenous people win one for a change.

As for "cute Martian owlbear", though, these days, whatever the Martians may
have suffered at the hands of humanity, the minute they take up arms on their
own behalf, and there's any... collateral damage... then they're terrorists, and
any possible sympathy evaporates. So the idea of a hardening of attitudes on
Earth coming out of a conflict is, to some extent, something real, even if the
extent seen in the story seems unrealistic.

John Savard
Robert Carnegie
2018-05-05 10:11:49 UTC
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Duel on Syrtis by Poul Anderson - Free Ebook - Project Gutenberg
Aside from the story itself being available on Project Gutenberg, the whole
issue of Planet Stories in which it originally appeared is on the Internet
Archive.
The premise, of course, has appeared numerous times before and since, perhaps
most notably of late in the movie Avatar. The Man Who Loved Mars also comes to
mind, but in the Anderson story, we don't have a human protagonist doing the
heavy lifting.
This type of story, I think, isn't an attempt to predict what is most likely to
actually happen as we explore space - instead, it uses a science-fiction setting
to look at history, and one way to do that is to create a situation where the
indigenous people win one for a change.
As for "cute Martian owlbear", though, these days, whatever the Martians may
have suffered at the hands of humanity, the minute they take up arms on their
own behalf, and there's any... collateral damage... then they're terrorists, and
any possible sympathy evaporates. So the idea of a hardening of attitudes on
Earth coming out of a conflict is, to some extent, something real, even if the
extent seen in the story seems unrealistic.
John Savard
Anyway, it turns out that "The Most Dangerous Game"
in fact is Species 8472, although to deal with the
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, if you don't
know where your towel is, then watch out.
a425couple
2018-05-05 15:10:12 UTC
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Duel on Syrtis by Poul Anderson - Free Ebook - Project Gutenberg
Aside from the story itself being available on Project Gutenberg, the whole
issue of Planet Stories in which it originally appeared is on the Internet
Archive.
The premise, of course, has appeared numerous times before and since, perhaps
most notably of late in the movie Avatar. The Man Who Loved Mars also comes to
mind, but in the Anderson story, we don't have a human protagonist doing the
heavy lifting.
This type of story, I think, isn't an attempt to predict what is most likely to
actually happen as we explore space - instead, it uses a science-fiction setting
to look at history, and one way to do that is to create a situation where the
indigenous people win one for a change.
As for "cute Martian owlbear", though, these days, whatever the Martians may
have suffered at the hands of humanity, the minute they take up arms on their
own behalf, and there's any... collateral damage... then they're terrorists, and
any possible sympathy evaporates. So the idea of a hardening of attitudes on
Earth coming out of a conflict is, to some extent, something real, even if the
extent seen in the story seems unrealistic.
John Savard
Anyway, it turns out that "The Most Dangerous Game"
in fact is Species 8472, although to deal with the
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal, if you don't
know where your towel is, then watch out.
To Robert,
Yes, the short story "Duel on Syrtis" is a variation on
the same theme as "The Most Dangerous Game".
But to me, the most interesting part is not necesarily
the chased / underdog wins,, it is how he leaves
the aggressor.

But back to Quadibloc, in the thread of Dilbert's
"Aggressive Littering" (of cryogenicly alive brains
being discarded), I mentioned it in the context of
"Duel on Syrtis" with the 'aggressor' being left to
live, near forever, with a functioning brain, and unable to
control any other body part.
And in Dilbert, perhaps =
"Scientists 'keep pigs' brains alive without a body for up to 36 hours'
The brains, which are not conscious, are kept alive through the
circulation of an oxygen-rich fluid through the organs."
Quadibloc
2018-05-05 16:28:39 UTC
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I mentioned it in the context of
"Duel on Syrtis" with the 'aggressor' being left to
live, near forever, with a functioning brain, and unable to
control any other body part.
Yes, I was fully aware of the fact that the end of the story related to keeping
brains alive, but I was avoiding a spoiler, and I was discussing other general
aspects of the story that were of interest to me.

John Savard
Quadibloc
2018-05-05 16:32:46 UTC
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Yes, the short story "Duel on Syrtis" is a variation on
the same theme as "The Most Dangerous Game".
I think he was intending to deconstruct my post, not the short story.

John Savard
Robert Carnegie
2018-05-05 19:54:43 UTC
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Yes, the short story "Duel on Syrtis" is a variation on
the same theme as "The Most Dangerous Game".
I think he was intending to deconstruct my post, not the short story.
John Savard
Well, that humans are only "The Most Dangerous Game"
on planet Earth - and that's not counting
"Scorpion Checkers". :-)

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