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a425couple
2017-03-26 02:41:40 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.

From:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "

His belief that is relevant in today's news:
"When the need arises - and it does - you must be able to shoot your
own dog. --Robert A. Heinlein"
http://research.lifeboat.com/heinlein.htm
And, from elsewhere, the fuller quote was,
"When the need arises - and it does - you must be able to shoot your
own dog. Don't farm it out - that doesn't make it nicer, it makes it
worse."
Likely, from Lazarus Long in "Time Enough for Love".

Another citation:
"If it has to be done, a man - a real man - shoots his own dog himself;
he doesn't hire a proxy who may bungle it."
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers

So, the news story
http://people.com/pets/man-charged-with-animal-cruelty-allegedly-shooting-dog/
"Man Who Shot Terminally Ill Dog and Buried Her at a Beach Is Facing
Animal Cruelty Charges
By Jen ***@wordswithjen Posted on March 25, 2017
A Virginia man who claims he shot his 15-year-old dog to end her suffering
and then buried her at the beach is facing animal cruelty charges, according
to a report by 13News Now.
Michael Whalen, a 65-year-old resident of Virginia Beach, Virginia, told
the news outlet that his dog Allie had been suffering from Cushing's
disease,
which is terminal, for about a year. But when the veterinarian talked about
putting her down in February 2016, Whalen tells News 3, he didn't feel the
time was right.
"Allie was not ready. I was not ready. She was still having fun. She wasn't
in ill health. I got her stable on her medication," he told the outlet.
But Allie's condition took a turn for the worse in February, when Allie
began seizing uncontrollably, according to News 3. "She was not coming
out of this," Whalen told the station.
Allie's body was found partially buried Feb. 10 with a head wound, according
to News 3. The outlet discussed standards and policies to a local
veterinarian,
who told News 3 that a gunshot wasn't considered a legal form of euthanasia.
"The options were to sit here and let her do this until she expired, or to
put
her in the car, which [would mean] I couldn't control her and it would have
been dangerous for me to drive trying to keep her airway open," Whalen told
The Virginian Pilot.
News 3 reports that Whalen is expected to appear in court in June, and that
his
attorney George Yates simply felt like his client was acting how anyone
would
in his situation.
"We feel that he did what a pet owner is required to do," Yates told the
outlet.
"Take care of their animal and when their animal is suffering to properly
euthanize the animal."
"It was so emotionally disturbing," Whalen admitted to News 3. "I can't tell
you how many times I've had to go through this in my mind and sometimes
I'll just start crying.
"We did everything together. She went everywhere with me. I even took her
on a vacation trip one time on my motorcycle," he added in his interview
with News 3. "This was a very sad and painful story, and I did nothing
but help my dog leave this world.""

Stupid state and stupid vet, "a gunshot wasn't considered a legal form of
euthanasia" !!!!!!!!!!
Thank goodness, in my state a single gunshot to the head is considered
a "humane kill".
Lynn McGuire
2017-03-26 04:41:38 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2017-03-26 05:02:25 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
J. Clarke
2017-03-26 05:54:15 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
I think part of the problem is that until he
became one politicians were just commodities to
be bought and sold, and now, like many hands-off
managers, he's finding that what the "little
people" do isn't nearly as easy as he thought it
was.
Robert Carnegie
2017-03-26 12:52:46 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
I think part of the problem is that until he
became one politicians were just commodities to
be bought and sold,
Bought by him, you mean. Not generally speaking -
well, not always.
Post by J. Clarke
and now, like many hands-off
managers, he's finding that what the "little
people" do isn't nearly as easy as he thought it
was.
Lynn McGuire
2017-03-27 17:19:31 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
One of your fellow Californians does not agree with you:
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthcare

Lynn
Scott Lurndal
2017-03-27 18:01:41 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthcare
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a cartoonist.

There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going to be
republicans. Not many, however.
J. Clarke
2017-03-27 20:55:06 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by a425couple
Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the importance
of individual liberty and self-reliance, the obligation individuals owe
to their societies - There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
As for libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of course, in
Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we
should be into the religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthcare
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a cartoonist.
There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going to be
republicans. Not many, however.
Enough to elect some guy named Scharzenegger,
twice.
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-03-27 21:14:35 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by a425couple
Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the
importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the
obligation individuals owe to their societies - There
ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As for libertarian,
I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of
course, in Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over
in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we should be into the religious
dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so more crazy times
to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthc
are
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a
cartoonist.
There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going to
be republicans. Not many, however.
Enough to elect some guy named Scharzenegger,
twice.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you, pookie, but Arnie
wasn't, and isn't, a Republican. Hell, he's not even a RINO. He
only plays one in the movies. He ran as a Republican for the same
reason Trump did: it made him look different than the rest of the
mob.

And his term as governator was entertaining, especially when he
called the legislature "girly men," but it was also a case study in
how completely useless a governor can be (that rivaled Jesse
Ventura). He accmoplished *nothing*. Plus, that was over a decade
ago (reelected in 2006). California has gotten even stupider since,
and is now so far down the rabbit hole it can't see anylight any
more. (If Trump does manage to figure out a way to cut funding to
"sanctuary cities" that will pass constitutional muster, most of
the ones in California will, literally, accept bankruptcy, and a
complete loss of all fire and police functions, rather than admit
that any view of immigration other than their own is even
possible.)

And now, with a Democrat supermajority in both houses, the
*Democrat* governor is also pointless. He does as he's told, or the
legislature just overrides the veto with a heartfelt "fuck you,
peasant, now do as you're told next time." Governor Moonbeam is a
pretty class example of “There go my people, I must find out where
they are going so I can lead them," with the clear understanding
that "my people" in this case is the legislature (who, in turn, are
behoolden to the teacher's union and the prison guards union, the
two most powerful lobbies in the state by far).

There are Republicans, yeah. I live behind the Orange Curtain, and
I suspect there are a few in (rural) northern CA, but other than
the behind-the-scenes influence that the rich people in Orange
County have (as rich people always do), Republicans are
*completely* irrelevant, and have no input whatsoever in statewide
governing. And the national party knows it. That's why the only
people they can find to run for office on the Republican ticket are
so loony they make the Tea Baggers look rational.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Lynn McGuire
2017-03-28 00:46:00 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by a425couple
Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the
importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the
obligation individuals owe to their societies - There
ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As for libertarian,
I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of
course, in Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over
in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we should be into the religious
dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so more crazy times
to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthc
are
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a
cartoonist.
There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going to
be republicans. Not many, however.
Enough to elect some guy named Scharzenegger,
twice.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you, pookie, but Arnie
wasn't, and isn't, a Republican. Hell, he's not even a RINO. He
only plays one in the movies. He ran as a Republican for the same
reason Trump did: it made him look different than the rest of the
mob.
And his term as governator was entertaining, especially when he
called the legislature "girly men," but it was also a case study in
how completely useless a governor can be (that rivaled Jesse
Ventura). He accmoplished *nothing*. Plus, that was over a decade
ago (reelected in 2006). California has gotten even stupider since,
and is now so far down the rabbit hole it can't see anylight any
more. (If Trump does manage to figure out a way to cut funding to
"sanctuary cities" that will pass constitutional muster, most of
the ones in California will, literally, accept bankruptcy, and a
complete loss of all fire and police functions, rather than admit
that any view of immigration other than their own is even
possible.)
And now, with a Democrat supermajority in both houses, the
*Democrat* governor is also pointless. He does as he's told, or the
legislature just overrides the veto with a heartfelt "fuck you,
peasant, now do as you're told next time." Governor Moonbeam is a
pretty class example of “There go my people, I must find out where
they are going so I can lead them," with the clear understanding
that "my people" in this case is the legislature (who, in turn, are
behoolden to the teacher's union and the prison guards union, the
two most powerful lobbies in the state by far).
There are Republicans, yeah. I live behind the Orange Curtain, and
I suspect there are a few in (rural) northern CA, but other than
the behind-the-scenes influence that the rich people in Orange
County have (as rich people always do), Republicans are
*completely* irrelevant, and have no input whatsoever in statewide
governing. And the national party knows it. That's why the only
people they can find to run for office on the Republican ticket are
so loony they make the Tea Baggers look rational.
So how long until California just becomes a huge prison and all of the inhabitants must join the prison guard union ?

Lynn
Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy
2017-03-28 02:51:04 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the
importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the
obligation individuals owe to their societies - There
ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As for libertarian,
I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing.
Of course, in Heinlein's future history, the prophet took
over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we should be into the religious
dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so more crazy
times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-health
c are
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a
cartoonist.
There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going
to be republicans. Not many, however.
Enough to elect some guy named Scharzenegger,
twice.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you, pookie, but
Arnie wasn't, and isn't, a Republican. Hell, he's not even a
RINO. He only plays one in the movies. He ran as a Republican
for the same reason Trump did: it made him look different than
the rest of the mob.
And his term as governator was entertaining, especially when he
called the legislature "girly men," but it was also a case
study in how completely useless a governor can be (that rivaled
Jesse Ventura). He accmoplished *nothing*. Plus, that was over
a decade ago (reelected in 2006). California has gotten even
stupider since, and is now so far down the rabbit hole it can't
see anylight any more. (If Trump does manage to figure out a
way to cut funding to "sanctuary cities" that will pass
constitutional muster, most of the ones in California will,
literally, accept bankruptcy, and a complete loss of all fire
and police functions, rather than admit that any view of
immigration other than their own is even possible.)
And now, with a Democrat supermajority in both houses, the
*Democrat* governor is also pointless. He does as he's told, or
the legislature just overrides the veto with a heartfelt "fuck
you, peasant, now do as you're told next time." Governor
Moonbeam is a pretty class example of “There go my people, I
must find out where they are going so I can lead them," with
the clear understanding that "my people" in this case is the
legislature (who, in turn, are behoolden to the teacher's union
and the prison guards union, the two most powerful lobbies in
the state by far).
There are Republicans, yeah. I live behind the Orange Curtain,
and I suspect there are a few in (rural) northern CA, but other
than the behind-the-scenes influence that the rich people in
Orange County have (as rich people always do), Republicans are
*completely* irrelevant, and have no input whatsoever in
statewide governing. And the national party knows it. That's
why the only people they can find to run for office on the
Republican ticket are so loony they make the Tea Baggers look
rational.
So how long until California just becomes a huge prison and all
of the inhabitants must join the prison guard union ?
Of the two, the teacher's union is by far the more powerful (and
wealthy). So, not likely. And California is already an asylum, and
the inmates have been in charge for decades.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
David DeLaney
2017-03-31 03:36:24 UTC
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Of the two, the teacher's union is by far the more powerful (and
wealthy). So, not likely. And California is already an asylum, and
the inmates have been in charge for decades.
ObGodwination: Heinlein, intro to _And He Built A Crooked House_. So yeah,
the observation's not new.

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Of the two, the teacher's union is by far the more powerful
(and wealthy). So, not likely. And California is already an
asylum, and the inmates have been in charge for decades.
ObGodwination: Heinlein, intro to _And He Built A Crooked
House_. So yeah, the observation's not new.
Maybe it was different in 1941, but these days, the weird hierarchy
is more Bay Area/San Francisco/Berkekely. Hollywood can't hold a
candle. Even the freak show on Hollywood Boulevard at night can't
hold a candle.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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2017-03-31 19:05:15 UTC
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Maybe it was different in 1941, but these days, the weird hierarchy
is more Bay Area/San Francisco/Berkekely. Hollywood can't hold a
candle. Even the freak show on Hollywood Boulevard at night can't
hold a candle.
I'm sure it was. That was before hippies were invented. In fact, it was
probably even before beatniks.

John Savard
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Maybe it was different in 1941, but these days, the weird
hierarchy is more Bay Area/San Francisco/Berkekely. Hollywood
can't hold a candle. Even the freak show on Hollywood Boulevard
at night can't hold a candle.
I'm sure it was. That was before hippies were invented. In fact,
it was probably even before beatniks.
You're telling me that Oddball in Kelly's Heroes isn't historically
accurate? I'm crushed.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatnik#History

"Kerouac introduced the phrase "Beat Generation" in 1948,
generalizing from his social circle to characterize the underground,
anticonformist youth gathering in New York at that time."

So, yeah, 1941 was before the beatniks.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Robert Woodward
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Maybe it was different in 1941, but these days, the weird
hierarchy is more Bay Area/San Francisco/Berkekely. Hollywood
can't hold a candle. Even the freak show on Hollywood Boulevard
at night can't hold a candle.
I'm sure it was. That was before hippies were invented. In fact,
it was probably even before beatniks.
You're telling me that Oddball in Kelly's Heroes isn't historically
accurate? I'm crushed.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatnik#History
"Kerouac introduced the phrase "Beat Generation" in 1948,
generalizing from his social circle to characterize the underground,
anticonformist youth gathering in New York at that time."
So, yeah, 1941 was before the beatniks.
That was during the period of the hipsters
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)>).
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Maybe it was different in 1941, but these days, the weird
hierarchy is more Bay Area/San Francisco/Berkekely. Hollywood
can't hold a candle. Even the freak show on Hollywood Boulevard
at night can't hold a candle.
I'm sure it was. That was before hippies were invented. In fact,
it was probably even before beatniks.
You're telling me that Oddball in Kelly's Heroes isn't historically
accurate? I'm crushed.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatnik#History
"Kerouac introduced the phrase "Beat Generation" in 1948,
generalizing from his social circle to characterize the underground,
anticonformist youth gathering in New York at that time."
So, yeah, 1941 was before the beatniks.
That was during the period of the hipsters
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)>).
Before that we had "bohemians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism

I knew one very crunchy Manhattanite I called "my SoHo boho."

Kevin R
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On Thursday, March 30, 2017 at 11:17:59 PM UTC-6, Gutless
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Maybe it was different in 1941, but these days, the weird
hierarchy is more Bay Area/San Francisco/Berkekely. Hollywood
can't hold a candle. Even the freak show on Hollywood Boulevard
at night can't hold a candle.
I'm sure it was. That was before hippies were invented. In fact,
it was probably even before beatniks.
You're telling me that Oddball in Kelly's Heroes isn't historically
accurate? I'm crushed.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatnik#History
"Kerouac introduced the phrase "Beat Generation" in 1948,
generalizing from his social circle to characterize the underground,
anticonformist youth gathering in New York at that time."
So, yeah, 1941 was before the beatniks.
That was during the period of the hipsters
(<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)>).
Before that we had "bohemians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism
I knew one very crunchy Manhattanite I called "my SoHo boho."
Kevin R
Flappers and hepcats in there somewhere.
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2017-04-21 02:56:40 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the
importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the
obligation individuals owe to their societies - There
ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As for libertarian,
I've been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of
course, in Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over
in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we should be into the religious
dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so more crazy times
to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthc
are
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a
cartoonist.
There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going to
be republicans. Not many, however.
Enough to elect some guy named Scharzenegger,
twice.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you, pookie, but Arnie
wasn't, and isn't, a Republican. Hell, he's not even a RINO. He
only plays one in the movies. He ran as a Republican for the same
reason Trump did: it made him look different than the rest of the
mob.
And his term as governator was entertaining, especially when he
called the legislature "girly men," but it was also a case study in
how completely useless a governor can be (that rivaled Jesse
Ventura). He accmoplished *nothing*.
IIRC, didn't he try to tie his supposed agenda to a special election that was made to order for the teacher's union to dominate? Which left him more or less a lame duck afterward?
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2017-04-21 03:38:04 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
the importance of individual liberty and self-reliance,
the obligation individuals owe to their societies -
There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As for
libertarian, I've been one all my life, a radical one.
"
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing.
Of course, in Heinlein's future history, the prophet
took over in 2012 ? 2016 ? so we should be into the
religious dictatorship by now. Obviously we have so
more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-heal
thc are
Really, who gives a fuck what Scott Adams thinks? He's a
cartoonist.
There are 35 million Californians; of course there are going
to be republicans. Not many, however.
Enough to elect some guy named Scharzenegger,
twice.
I hate to be the one to break the news to you, pookie, but
Arnie wasn't, and isn't, a Republican. Hell, he's not even a
RINO. He only plays one in the movies. He ran as a Republican
for the same reason Trump did: it made him look different than
the rest of the mob.
And his term as governator was entertaining, especially when he
called the legislature "girly men," but it was also a case
study in how completely useless a governor can be (that rivaled
Jesse Ventura). He accmoplished *nothing*.
IIRC, didn't he try to tie his supposed agenda to a special
election that was made to order for the teacher's union to
dominate?
In California, *all* elections are made to order for the teacher's
union. It is the power powerful political force in the state, has
been for years, and shows no sign of not being so in our lifetimes.
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Which left him more or less a lame duck afterward?
He was reelected in 2006 for a total of eight years in office. I
suspect that "lame duck" does not mean what you think it means.
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2017-03-27 18:08:12 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A._Heinlein
"Heinlein repeatedly addressed certain social themes: the
importance of individual liberty and self-reliance, the
obligation individuals owe to their societies - There
ain't no such thing as a free lunch. As for libertarian, I've
been one all my life, a radical one. "
Heinlein did not call this the crazy years for nothing. Of
course, in Heinlein's future history, the prophet took over in
2012 ? 2016 ? so we should be into the religious dictatorship
by now. Obviously we have so more crazy times to come.
But who would have thought that the dictator would be so
gloriously incompetent?
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/158812654486/trump-and-healthcar
e
Indeed, Adams predicted exactly this - that Trump would quickly go
from "Literally the reincarnation of HItler" to "merely
incompetent, which is politics as usual." He's further predicting
that by the end of this year, he will go from "incompetent" to "I
still don't like him, but he's not so bad." And by the end of his
(first) term, he'll be regarded as a very good President.

And, in keeping with my prediction that low approval ratings will
bother the shit out of him (being a reality TV star and egomaniac),
and the only way to improve those ratings is to reach out to the
other side, especially those who hate him most, there is now talk
that he's courting the Democrats in Congress on tax reform so that
he can ignore the Tea Baggers (who are already increasingly
unpopular as both obstructionists and loons, and can no longer hide
who fucking crazy they are).

Adams is a wingnut, but he's a *very* observant wingnut.
--
Terry Austin

Vacation photos from Iceland:
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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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All I ask of Trump is that he not destroy the Western Alliance by twiddling his thumbs while Russia invades Estonia or some such. If he can manage that, I'm not too upset about the rest of his Presidency.

John Savard
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2017-03-27 19:41:40 UTC
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All I ask of Trump is that he not destroy the Western Alliance by twiddling his thumbs while Russia invades Estonia or some such. If he can manage that, I'm not too upset about the rest of his Presidency.
John Savard
Please no. I am an advocate of the USA leaving NATO today. And all of the other battles going on. Trump just put a battalion of
Marines in Syria and is talking about putting Marines in Yemen.

Not our chicken, not our pot.

Lynn
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2017-03-27 20:30:34 UTC
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All I ask of Trump is that he not destroy the Western Alliance
by twiddling his thumbs while Russia invades Estonia or some
such. If he can manage that, I'm not too upset about the rest
of his Presidency.
John Savard
Please no. I am an advocate of the USA leaving NATO today. And
all of the other battles going on. Trump just put a battalion
of Marines in Syria and is talking about putting Marines in
Yemen.
Not our chicken, not our pot.
It becomes our chicken and pot when those countries go to hell and
become friendly to terrorist groups, and, like Saudi Arabia, chooses
to export their violent extremists rather than deal with them at
home.

(Aside from the economic implications of losing Europe as a trade
partner.)

Isolationism doesn't work very well. We *know* this.

(Adjusting the balance of who pay for what is another matter.)
--
Terry Austin

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"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Post by Quadibloc
All I ask of Trump is that he not destroy the Western Alliance by twiddling his thumbs while Russia invades Estonia or some such. If he can manage that, I'm not too upset about the rest of his Presidency.
You and Estonia. If you care all that much why
don't you move to Estonia and join the army?
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2017-03-26 21:00:47 UTC
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Oh, I thought it would be the continuing question of whether Jerry Was a Man still playing out in court:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/03/16/chimpanzee-person-habeas-corpus/
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2017-03-30 20:50:45 UTC
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Robert Heinlein would NOT be pleased about this story
in the news. Actually there are many trends going on
in our country, and in the world, that are not the way
he felt things should be done.
....
So, the news story
http://people.com/pets/man-charged-with-animal-cruelty-allegedly-shooting-dog/
"Man Who Shot Terminally Ill Dog and Buried Her at a Beach Is Facing
Animal Cruelty Charges ....
Assuming his possession and use of the firearm were in compliance
with the law, I do wonder why he buried the dog on a beach where
the animal's corpse became uncovered so rapidly. Did he happen to
be at the beach with the dog when this happened and he felt he had
to act immediately, or did he plan to go there to bury the dog in
the first place?

Would Heinlein have approved of dead dogs being buried any old
place?


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