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Lynn McGuire
2018-07-31 02:41:22 UTC
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From a friend of mine:

"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."

"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."

I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?

Thanks,
Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2018-07-31 03:28:04 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and 'can do' would be read three times
back-to-back, I'm sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
Skulduggery Pleasant
by Derek Landy
https://amzn.to/2LGXOOA

Tween mentored by a living skeleton becomes involved in a sinister magical world

Nice Dragons Finish Last
by Rachel Aaron
https://amzn.to/2ApFvIJ

Dual male/female lead. Female lead is a young sorceress trying to establish
herself in a future US where magic has returned and dragons exist. (Later
books have some minimal discreet sex in a committed relationship).


Into the Dark (Alexis Carew Book 1)
by J.A. Sutherland
https://amzn.to/2OsiIip

Young teen (14/15) joins the space navy.


The Flaw in All Magic (Magebreakers Book 1)
by Ben S. Dobson
https://amzn.to/2vkCDa4

Dual male/female (non romantic) leads. Female lead is an half orc
who has come to the big city to see the wonders of magic.


Emergence Kindle
by David R. Palmer
https://amzn.to/2OwtcgK

Young girl genius navigates a post apocalypse landscape on a quest to
find other survivors.


Podkayne of Mars
by Robert A. Heinlein
https://amzn.to/2LHCKrv

Young girl becomes involved in deadly politics on Mars, Earth & Venus.
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Jaimie Vandenbergh
2018-07-31 17:06:07 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
Most of Diana Wynne Jones books, kick off with _Howl's Moving Castle_
and _Charmed Life_, each of which starts an age-appropriate series.

_Which Witch?_, Eva Ibbotson.

_Star Ka'at_, Andre Norton.

A fourth upvote for Pratchett's Tiffany Aching series, the Bromeliad
series, and _The AMazing Maurice_.

_John Dough and the Cherub_, L Frank Baum. The protagonist is of
undefined gender.

The Alice books, Lewis Carroll. Maybe only mildly gritty!

Cheers - Jaimie
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Dimensional Traveler
2018-07-31 03:28:58 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Which ones did you suggest? So we don't duplicate.
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Lynn McGuire
2018-07-31 15:41:21 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but
it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids
of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Which ones did you suggest?  So we don't duplicate.
I did not want to poison the well this early. Duplicates are good.

“Emergence” by David Palmer
https://www.amazon.com/Emergence-David-R-Palmer/dp/194881806X/

“Locker Nine: A Novel of Societal Collapse Paperback” by Franklin Horton

https://www.amazon.com/Locker-Nine-Novel-Societal-Collapse/dp/1536905658/

“A Soldier’s Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why)” by Jean Johnson
https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/

“A Beautiful Friendship (Star Kingdom (Weber))” by David Weber

https://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Friendship-Star-Kingdom-Weber/dp/1451638264/

“Moon Called” by Patricia Briggs
https://www.amazon.com/Moon-Called-Mercy-Thompson-Book/dp/0441013813/

“Bitten (Otherworld)” by Kelley Armstrong
https://www.amazon.com/Bitten-Otherworld-Kelley-Armstrong/dp/0452296641/

Thanks,
Lynn
David DeLaney
2018-08-08 10:32:46 UTC
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???A Soldier???s Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why)??? by Jean Johnson
https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/
... I am --- PRETTY sure this series wasn't actually meant for 10-year-olds.
First book may be okay. Have her parents check out the others tho.
???Bitten (Otherworld)??? by Kelley Armstrong
https://www.amazon.com/Bitten-Otherworld-Kelley-Armstrong/dp/0452296641/
I don't think any of Armstrong's Otherworld protagonists get by on sheer grit?
Most of them are supernaturals of some kind.

If superpowers are allowed, Worm's Taylor Hebert is the epitome of getting by
on sheer grit and escalation and a seemingly-C-list power. Bonus: the setting's
pretty much a dystopia, and apocalypse is coming...

Dave
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2018-08-08 10:59:49 UTC
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???A Soldier???s Duty (Theirs Not to Reason Why)??? by Jean Johnson
https://www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Duty-Theirs-Not-Reason/dp/0441020631/
... I am --- PRETTY sure this series wasn't actually meant for 10-year-olds.
First book may be okay. Have her parents check out the others tho.
Doesn't it have enemies who like to eat their captives alive?
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???Bitten (Otherworld)??? by Kelley Armstrong
https://www.amazon.com/Bitten-Otherworld-Kelley-Armstrong/dp/0452296641/
I don't think any of Armstrong's Otherworld protagonists get by on sheer grit?
Most of them are supernaturals of some kind.
If superpowers are allowed, Worm's Taylor Hebert is the epitome of getting by
on sheer grit and escalation and a seemingly-C-list power. Bonus: the setting's
pretty much a dystopia, and apocalypse is coming...
Not particularly suitable for a 10 year old IMO
Ninapenda Jibini
2018-07-31 03:39:41 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of
grit but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write
one myself, but it takes me so long to write fiction that my
daughter would have kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who
succeeded through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read
three times back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
I expect Shards of Honor and Barrayar are a bit too grown up for a 10
year old.
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Dorothy J Heydt
2018-07-31 04:03:40 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of
grit but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write
one myself, but it takes me so long to write fiction that my
daughter would have kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who
succeeded through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read
three times back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
I expect Shards of Honor and Barrayar are a bit too grown up for a 10
year old.
I was reading adult science fiction at ten (but [a] there was no
such thing as YA then and [b] as all here know, I'm an outlier).

I can remember really enjoying _Second Foundation_ and _The Stars
My Destination_, both of which left me sitting on the floor
saying "Wow."

But then [c] that was sixty-some years ago.
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Ninapenda Jibini
2018-07-31 04:36:22 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of
grit but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write
one myself, but it takes me so long to write fiction that my
daughter would have kids of her own by the time I finished
it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who
succeeded through grit, ability, and “can do” would be
read three times back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
I expect Shards of Honor and Barrayar are a bit too grown up for
a 10 year old.
I was reading adult science fiction at ten (but [a] there was no
such thing as YA then and [b] as all here know, I'm an outlier).
I can remember really enjoying _Second Foundation_ and _The
Stars My Destination_, both of which left me sitting on the
floor saying "Wow."
But then [c] that was sixty-some years ago.
I expect that at that age, we were *both* reading at a considerably
higher age level than most kids that age were ready for.
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2018-07-31 14:58:12 UTC
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I was reading adult science fiction at ten (but [a] there was no
such thing as YA then and [b] as all here know, I'm an outlier).
I can remember really enjoying _Second Foundation_ and _The Stars
My Destination_, both of which left me sitting on the floor
saying "Wow."
An understandable reaction, but keep in mind that _The Stars My
Destination_ was serialized in late 1956-early 1957 when you were 14.
There is a big difference between 10 and 14.
Greg Goss
2018-08-01 07:11:34 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of
grit but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write
one myself, but it takes me so long to write fiction that my
daughter would have kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who
succeeded through grit, ability, and “can doâ€? would be read
three times back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
I expect Shards of Honor and Barrayar are a bit too grown up for a 10
year old.
I was reading adult science fiction at ten (but [a] there was no
such thing as YA then and [b] as all here know, I'm an outlier).
I can remember really enjoying _Second Foundation_ and _The Stars
My Destination_, both of which left me sitting on the floor
saying "Wow."
But then [c] that was sixty-some years ago.
The Stars My Destination never really "worked" for me. I've re-read
the Foundation books much later and the "plodding" impression from
that reading overlaid whatever sensawunda I might have had the first
time around.

If we're reaching back, the Telzey Amberdon books had a lot of grit.
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Mike Van Pelt
2018-08-01 21:31:13 UTC
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If we're reaching back, the Telzey Amberdon books had a lot of grit.
Oh, yeah, those were a lot of fun. Baen did a reprint of all
the Telzey stories not too long ago. Also by Schmitz, "The Tuvela".
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2018-07-31 03:56:34 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
When my daughter was 10 she loved the Warrior Cat books by Erin Hunter. "Into the Wild" is the first one.

https://www.amazon.com/Warriors-Into-Wild-Prophecies-Begin/dp/0062366963

-Moriarty
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2018-07-31 05:46:38 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
Unwillingly to Earth by Pauline Ashwell, a fix-up of stories which
originally appeared in Astoundalog. Here's a review by Baird Searles:

https://archive.org/stream/Asimovs_v16n14_1992-12#page/n173

Here is the original novelette in the January 1958 ASF:

https://archive.org/stream/Astounding_v60n05_1958-01_dtsg0318#page/n7
Robert Carnegie
2018-07-31 08:41:50 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
I suppose you've considered _True Grit_. I haven't.
I did rather like _Shane_, the book, but that fact is
about all that I remember.

_A Wrinkle In Time_ is better than the movie;
aren't they always? (I haven't seen the movie.)

Terry Pratchett? Now, as to grit... it's not precisely
the point of _Equal Rites_, in which a dying wizard
(possibly evil, but retired) bequeaths his wizardness
to a poor man's newborn child which is presumed to be
male, but isn't. Teaching Eskarina witchcraft is
supposed to be a remedy for her poorly governed
wizardry, but doesn't quite work. Sex is mentioned
but not shown, it's just that some of the jokes
will be incomprehensible, including to young Esk.

Pratchett's books with the wizard Rincewind emphasise
the advantages of running away, but he's not in all
of them, much to his own relief I suppose.
(Rincewind isn't the dead one from _Equal Rites_.)

_Only You Can Save Mankind_ and _Truckers_
have strong female secondary characters; the
prominent young female in _Truckers_ is in the
foreground in the sequel, which is a plus, though
that series has a strong negative presentation
of religion - some of the tiny "nomes" worship
human archetypes in a confused way - and it
could be an issue that they live much faster but,
in absolute terms, shorter lives than we do.

OYCSM has sequels but Sigourney by then is
just one of the boys. The alien captain doesn't
reappear but is another important female,
although that doesn't much matter in the story -
which may be the point. Also the story is probably
partly imaginary, but you have to meet magic realism
sometime, and it's this or _Sylvie & Bruno_ -
which is more adult and piously Christian,
which either suits or doesn't.

Actually, most of these stories are entirely
imaginary, as Superman tells us.

_The Amazing Maurice and His Educated Rodents_
is the story of a cat and some intelligent rats,
and human companion, who go around villages
running the "Pied Piper" scam, what with their
audacity and their ability to beat traps... or
sometimes not, which is sad.
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2018-07-31 12:40:36 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
Terry Pratchett? Now, as to grit... it's not precisely
the point of _Equal Rites_, in which a dying wizard
(possibly evil, but retired) bequeaths his wizardness
to a poor man's newborn child which is presumed to be
male, but isn't. Teaching Eskarina witchcraft is
supposed to be a remedy for her poorly governed
wizardry, but doesn't quite work. Sex is mentioned
but not shown, it's just that some of the jokes
will be incomprehensible, including to young Esk.
Pratchett's books with the wizard Rincewind emphasise
the advantages of running away, but he's not in all
of them, much to his own relief I suppose.
(Rincewind isn't the dead one from _Equal Rites_.)
You are going to mention Pratchett and not include the Tiffany Aching books? I think those would be right up the described alley.
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2018-08-01 07:17:46 UTC
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_A Wrinkle In Time_ is better than the movie;
aren't they always? (I haven't seen the movie.)
Not always (My mind is going, Dave. I can feel it.) I'm trying to
remember a movie I saw about a year ago where I came out thinking
"They dumped all the stupid bits, and the story was much better for
it." But now I forget what movie that was. I don't see that many.

The book can be better than the movie even if it's written to go with
the movie. Convoy was actually a reasonable and thoughtful book,
quite unlike the movie. I could never get into the movie version of
"Ode to Billy Joe", but I enjoyed the book written for it. (She
tosses, metaphorically, her childhood off the bridge, to answer the
big question of the song.)
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2018-08-01 21:33:48 UTC
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_A Wrinkle In Time_ is better than the movie;
aren't they always? (I haven't seen the movie.)
Not always (My mind is going, Dave. I can feel it.) I'm trying to
remember a movie I saw about a year ago where I came out thinking
"They dumped all the stupid bits, and the story was much better for
it." But now I forget what movie that was. I don't see that many.
One I can think of is Forrest Gump. If I had read the
book first, I'd have had to have been hogtied and dragged
into the movie, otherwise, I'd have never seen it.
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_A Wrinkle In Time_ is better than the movie;
aren't they always? (I haven't seen the movie.)
Not always (My mind is going, Dave. I can feel it.) I'm trying to
remember a movie I saw about a year ago where I came out thinking
"They dumped all the stupid bits, and the story was much better for
it." But now I forget what movie that was. I don't see that many.
One I can think of is Forrest Gump. If I had read the
book first, I'd have had to have been hogtied and dragged
into the movie, otherwise, I'd have never seen it.
Film scripts notoriously get rewritten over and over
again. Presumably erasing some of the original book
each time, and probably some of the things you liked
about it.

Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
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2018-08-02 03:10:39 UTC
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
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2018-08-02 04:00:23 UTC
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!

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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?

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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all
about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
Well, if it's a good theme-park ride.....
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
Mr Toad's Wild Ride Redux:
This time, it's personal!

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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
"It's a Small World 9: The Earworm's Revenge".

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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was all about the music, man!
What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)

So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
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So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
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So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
But, but, but, aren't they already in the 19th century?

Does anybody *know*?
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
But, but, but, aren't they already in the 19th century?
Does anybody *know*?
They're off in an alternative timeline where magic is real.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
But, but, but, aren't they already in the 19th century?
Does anybody *know*?
They're off in an alternative timeline where magic is real.
Ep 4 is established as taking place in George II's reign, which
means 1727-1760. In our timeline at least.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
But, but, but, aren't they already in the 19th century?
Does anybody *know*?
They're off in an alternative timeline where magic is real.
Ep 4 is established as taking place in George II's reign, which
means 1727-1760. In our timeline at least.
I wasn't absolutely sure which George it was, but I thought it was
him.

So -- 18th century. Definitely.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
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Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that
were made
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fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
But, but, but, aren't they already in the 19th century?
Does anybody *know*?
They're off in an alternative timeline where magic is real.
Ep 4 is established as taking place in George II's reign, which
means 1727-1760. In our timeline at least.
I wasn't absolutely sure which George it was, but I thought it was
him.
So -- 18th century. Definitely.
So definitely beforefinishing schools.
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Granted, there may be not much in a book in the
first place - I blush to say it.
Upthread, I mentioned the book written from two movies that were made
fron SONGS. But the books were still far better than the movies.
The idea of a book based on the movie "Convoy" is bizarre. It was
all about the music, man!
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What's next, a movie based on a theme-park ride?
I believe they are working on #9 in that movie franchise.
If so, I missed a couple -- I only know of six that have been
released.
Its Disney. The Mouse plans ahead. :)
#9 will be a revolution!
Well, let's see. I've only seen the first movie, but IIRC
(judging by the women's clothing) it's set in the 1820s or so.
(Yes, I know, Hollywood pays attention to historical costume only
when and if it feels like it, but this is a Gedankenexperiment.)
Internal evidence in the fourth one (which I just saw recently)
suggests pretty strongly that it's mid-18th century, the clothing
notwithstanding. This would explain why there aren't any Americans to
be seen.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
So, yes, there will be a whole series of revolutions in the 1840s
in Europe. What effect that will have on the Caribbean area I
don't know.
If they do get to a revolution, it'll probably be the one in 1776.
But, but, but, aren't they already in the 19th century?
Does anybody *know*?
They're off in an alternative timeline where magic is real.
Yeah. But other than that, the universe is pretty darned
coherent with ours.
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_A Wrinkle In Time_ is better than the movie;
aren't they always? (I haven't seen the movie.)
Not always (My mind is going, Dave. I can feel it.) I'm trying to
remember a movie I saw about a year ago where I came out thinking
"They dumped all the stupid bits, and the story was much better for
it." But now I forget what movie that was. I don't see that many.
One I can think of is Forrest Gump. If I had read the
book first, I'd have had to have been hogtied and dragged
into the movie, otherwise, I'd have never seen it.
Jaws
The Godfather
The Maltese Falcon
The Warriors
Die Hard
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
The Princess Bride

(Although I'll admit, there are plenty who'll argue over the last two.)

There are lots of books that became better movies.

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_A Wrinkle In Time_ is better than the movie;
aren't they always? (I haven't seen the movie.)
Not always (My mind is going, Dave. I can feel it.) I'm trying to
remember a movie I saw about a year ago where I came out thinking
"They dumped all the stupid bits, and the story was much better for
it." But now I forget what movie that was. I don't see that many.
One I can think of is Forrest Gump. If I had read the
book first, I'd have had to have been hogtied and dragged
into the movie, otherwise, I'd have never seen it.
Jaws
The Godfather
The Maltese Falcon
The Warriors
Die Hard
One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest
The Princess Bride
(Although I'll admit, there are plenty who'll argue over the last two.)
There are lots of books that became better movies.
-Moriarty
I would disagree over several of these. The Princess Bride was excellently done for a film version, but I still prefer the book. I would say much the same of The Maltese Falcon.

Twoi where I feel the Movie was an actual improvement over the book:

The African Queen
Bridge Over the River Kwai

In both the super-dramatic hollywood ending was exactly right for the story, and in both the book went with a more realistic but less dramatically satiating ending.

In Kwai the book did not have the moment of horrified realization where Col Nicholson realizes that he has been collaborating, and sacrifices himself, thus becoming a true tragic hero.

In Queen, Forrester knew much better how hopeless the attempt on the Louisa was, and had it destroyedby a separate British force, making the adventure pointless except as a means of character development. The highly improbably strik4e from beyond the watery grave was just right for this story.

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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
I haven't had a 10 year old girl to buy books for for over a decade, so I'm
a bit out of date....

I strongly second both 'A Wrinkle in Time', and Pratchett's "Tiffany Aching"
books.

I expect some Andre Norton books fit your needs, but not sure which.

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her own by the time I finished it."
Everyone seems to studiously avoid mention of PeeWee in HSS,WT.
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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
Everyone seems to studiously avoid mention of PeeWee in HSS,WT.
Hmm. I guess we're all looking at the viewpoint character instead of
the supporting characters. If we're going that route, should we
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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
Everyone seems to studiously avoid mention of PeeWee in HSS,WT.
Hmm. I guess we're all looking at the viewpoint character instead of
the supporting characters. If we're going that route, should we
include Betty Sorenson?
Yes, I think we should.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
Diane Duane's feline wizardry books; also her non-feline wizardry books,
starting with So You Want To Be A Wizard. (Female lead, many animals,
good adventures.)

James Alan Gardner's Expendable.

Katherine Addison's The Goblin Emperor.

Gail Carriger's Finishing School series -- steampunk/magic/espionage for young ladies

Genevieve Cogman - The Invisible Library

Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy. Possibly the Enchanted Forest quad, too.

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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
Diane Duane's feline wizardry books; also her non-feline wizardry books,
starting with So You Want To Be A Wizard. (Female lead, many animals,
good adventures.)
I strongly endorse these. Not that the viewpoit cat in the Feline wizard series is female.
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Katherine Addison's The Goblin Emperor.
I like this a lot, but don't think it matches the given specs very well. The PoV character is male, there are few female characters, and even fewer animals.
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Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy. Possibly the Enchanted Forest quad, too.
Definitely the Enchangted Forest books
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Andre Norton's _Moon of three Rings_?

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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
Diane Duane's feline wizardry books; also her non-feline wizardry books,
starting with So You Want To Be A Wizard. (Female lead, many animals,
good adventures.)
I strongly endorse these.
I also. They're very good, neither talk-downy nor avoiding some of the
issues implied by giving very young people such power and responsibility.


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I really liked those.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
Diane Duane's feline wizardry books; also her non-feline wizardry books,
starting with So You Want To Be A Wizard. (Female lead, many animals,
good adventures.)
I strongly endorse these.
    I also. They're very good, neither talk-downy nor avoiding some of
the issues implied by giving very young people such power and
responsibility.
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Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy.
    I really liked those.
Thanks !

Lynn
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
James Alan Gardner's Expendable.
It's been a long time, but that may be too adult for some ten-year-olds.
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Gail Carriger's Finishing School series -- steampunk/magic/espionage for young ladies
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Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy. Possibly the Enchanted Forest quad, too.
This not-quite-juxtaposition reminded me of Wrede's other books,
including her collaborations.

She and Caroline Stevermer wrote a book that became famously rare,
but was then reprinted and sequeled, <Sorcery and Cecelia>. The
(inevitably inferior, but not bad) sequels are <The Grand Tour> and
<The Mislaid Magician>.

Each of them has written books evidently set in the same milieu.
Wrede's I've read - <Mairelon the Magician> and <Magician's Ward>.
Stevermer's - <Magic below Stairs> - I haven't.

All these are Regency-set, though finishing schools aren't prominent.
Note that in keeping with the regency setting all resolve their
heroines' stories with romance/marriage; one worthwhile aspect to the
collaborative sequels is that these carry that story *beyond* a
wedding. I'm not sure "grit" is what I'd ascribe to the heroines,
but to the extent that "determination" or "steadfastness" will
substitute, they have those.

Finishing schools *are* prominent in:

Stevermer's solo <A College of Magics>. Inferior sequel: <A
Scholar of Magics>. Prequel some think superior to the original:
<When the King Comes Home>. All have female POVs, IIRC, but again,
I'm not sure "grit" is the word I'd use.

An entire trilogy by Libba Bray: <A Great and Terrible Beauty>,
<Rebel Angels> and <The Sweet Far Thing>. Sooner or later I'll
figure out how to rave effectively enough about this superb fantasy
work. The narrator is a teenaged girl, and here "grit" does seem
appropriate.

Wrede's other books include a series set in a geography known as
"Lyra"; of these, I think (again, it's been a while) <Daughter of
Witches> and <The Raven Ring> have female leads, and am quite sure
<Caught in Crystal> does, though that one might fly somewhat over a
ten-year-old's head (our POV is a mother entering middle age).

Nancy Kress's first three books, now kinda rare I think, all have
women as POVs. The link is that the third, <The White Pipes>, has
the other mother-as-heroine I've encountered. The first, <The Prince
of Morning Bells>, may be the best, is certainly likeliest to appeal
to a child, and its heroine pretty much defines "grit". (It was
apparently reprinted awhile back, revised, so is also likely to be
least rare.) The second, <The Golden Grove>, is darkest, and least
recommended by me.

Again back to Wrede: Of the "Enchanted Forest" series, note that
<Talking to Dragons> has a male POV.

Continuing this focus on mostly older works, it looks like all Pamela
Dean's books have female protagonists. I would suggest the non-
series books, <Tam Lin> ("grit") and <Juniper, Gentian, and Rosemary>.
Emma Bull's <War for the Oaks> is somewhere near "grit".

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Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy. Possibly the Enchanted Forest quad, too.
This not-quite-juxtaposition reminded me of Wrede's other books,
including her collaborations.
She and Caroline Stevermer wrote a book that became famously rare,
but was then reprinted and sequeled, <Sorcery and Cecelia>. The
(inevitably inferior, but not bad) sequels are <The Grand Tour> and
<The Mislaid Magician>.
Each of them has written books evidently set in the same milieu.
Wrede's I've read - <Mairelon the Magician> and <Magician's Ward>.
In the same universe (as far as I can tell), but with different
protagonists.
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Stevermer's - <Magic below Stairs> - I haven't.
In the same universe as _Sorcery_ et cetera. It's set between
_The Grand Tour_ and _The Mislaid Magician_. The protagonist is
a pre-teen boy, but there's a girl of his own age and station
who's admirable.
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All these are Regency-set, though finishing schools aren't prominent.
The heroines are either gentry who have been educated at home,
or servants, or street urchins. When did finishing schools come
in, anyway?

(Hm. Wikipedia says 1860s, beginning in Switzerland. A little
late for English Regency.)
Post by Joe Bernstein
Note that in keeping with the Regency setting all resolve their
heroines' stories with romance/marriage; one worthwhile aspect to the
collaborative sequels is that these carry that story *beyond* a
wedding. I'm not sure "grit" is what I'd ascribe to the heroines,
but to the extent that "determination" or "steadfastness" will
substitute, they have those.
Stevermer's solo <A College of Magics>. Inferior sequel: <A
<When the King Comes Home>. All have female POVs, IIRC, but again,
I'm not sure "grit" is the word I'd use.
I object! Neither Greenlaw nor Glasscastle is a "finishing
school," where young ladies are taught to speak French, pour tea
gracefully, and look down their pretty noses at everbody. They
are a college and a university of three colleges, respectively,
where magic is taught intuitively and academically, respectively.
I live in hope that Stevermer will write the other two (there are
four Wardens of the World, and she's only dealt with the North
and the West so far). Both are excellent. And "grit" is only
one of the characteristics of Jane Brailsford, who appears in both
volumes.
Post by Joe Bernstein
An entire trilogy by Libba Bray: <A Great and Terrible Beauty>,
<Rebel Angels> and <The Sweet Far Thing>. Sooner or later I'll
figure out how to rave effectively enough about this superb fantasy
work. The narrator is a teenaged girl, and here "grit" does seem
appropriate.
Hm. Took a quick look on Amazon; I think I'll have to read
these. Preferably bought used at $0.05 plus s/h, if possible4.
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Wrede's other books include a series set in a geography known as
"Lyra"; of these, I think (again, it's been a while) <Daughter of
Witches> and <The Raven Ring> have female leads, and am quite sure
<Caught in Crystal> does, though that one might fly somewhat over a
ten-year-old's head (our POV is a mother entering middle age).
I've read all of those; _The Raven Ring_ is the one I reread most
often. (Which is my basic criterion for "How good is it??)
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All these are Regency-set, though finishing schools aren't prominent.
The heroines are either gentry who have been educated at home,
or servants, or street urchins. When did finishing schools come
in, anyway?
(Hm. Wikipedia says 1860s, beginning in Switzerland. A little
late for English Regency.)
In Georgette Heyer's _Black Sheep_ Fanny Wendover (not the heroine) has
just completed her education at one of Bath's exclusive seminaries. I
believe this is common as a final education in these books. ObSF: in
Alexei Panshin's _Star Well_ Louisa Parini is proceeding to Miss
McBurney's Justly Famous Seminary an Finishing School on Nashua. So,
this combined both the Seminary (presumably at a younger age) and the
finishing school.
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In Georgette Heyer's _Black Sheep_ Fanny Wendover (not the heroine) has
just completed her education at one of Bath's exclusive seminaries. I
believe this is common as a final education in these books. ObSF: in
Alexei Panshin's _Star Well_ Louisa Parini is proceeding to Miss
McBurney's Justly Famous Seminary an Finishing School on Nashua. So,
this combined both the Seminary (presumably at a younger age) and the
finishing school.
In fact, a good chunk of Heyer's Regency romances might well qualify; they're
certainly readable by a bright 10-year-old...

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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
Diane Duane's feline wizardry books; also her non-feline wizardry books,
starting with So You Want To Be A Wizard. (Female lead, many animals,
good adventures.)
James Alan Gardner's Expendable.
Katherine Addison's The Goblin Emperor.
Gail Carriger's Finishing School series -- steampunk/magic/espionage for young ladies
Genevieve Cogman - The Invisible Library
Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy. Possibly the Enchanted Forest quad, too.
-dsr-
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Lynn
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Patricia Wrede's Frontier trilogy.
They're very good, but does Eff have grit? Once out west, she has a
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They're very good, but does Eff have grit? Once out west, she has a
pretty smooth ride.
Your concept of "smooth ride" does not in any way coincide with my view.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
All, thank you very much. I have relayed the suggestions to the questioner.

Sincerely,
Lynn McGuire
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
Here is a short story she might like (I think I recommended this to you before)
http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/lindholm_01_16_reprint/
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
Not necessarily female leads, but with Strong Girls:

Have Spacesuit, Will Travel; Star Beast; Tunnel in the Sky; The Rolling Stones; Podkayne of Mars... all by Heinlein. I'm particularly thinking of the scenes in Tunnel where our dim-witted protag finally finds out that Jack is a girl, and where the Mayor wants Caroline's notepaper.

With cats, though possibly a bit too old for a 10-year-old:

The Telazly stories, the Nile stories, and the Agent of Vega stories by Schimdt and company.

Definitely too old for a 10-year-old, but with Very Strong Girls:

In the Courts of the Crimson Kings; Drakon... all by S. M. Stirling. I defy anyone to be stronger (or scarier) than Teyad or Gwen. And there's even a kind of a cat or two.
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The Telazly stories, the Nile stories,
There are more stories about Nile Etland than "The Tuvela",
a.k.a. "The Demon Breed"?

I will have to look those up. Nile is as impressive as
Telzey, with only natural abilities, no psi magic.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that...)

At least, as she appeared in "The Tuvela"; I suppose she
might have developed powerz in other stories.

Hey, giant talking otters are kind of like water cats, right?
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The Telazly stories, the Nile stories,
There are more stories about Nile Etland than "The Tuvela",
a.k.a. "The Demon Breed"?
I will have to look those up. Nile is as impressive as
Telzey, with only natural abilities, no psi magic.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
At least, as she appeared in "The Tuvela"; I suppose she
might have developed powerz in other stories.
Hey, giant talking otters are kind of like water cats, right?
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To the best of my knowlege ther eis only one other Nile Etland story, "Trouble tide'. It precedes _The demon Breed_ in internal chronology, and was include in the Baen collection.
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The Telazly stories, the Nile stories,
There are more stories about Nile Etland than "The Tuvela",
a.k.a. "The Demon Breed"?
I will have to look those up. Nile is as impressive as
Telzey, with only natural abilities, no psi magic.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that...)
At least, as she appeared in "The Tuvela"; I suppose she
might have developed powerz in other stories.
Hey, giant talking otters are kind of like water cats, right?
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There are at least two Nile Etland stories.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
The short-story "The Cat Who Walked a Thousand Miles" by
Kij Johnson should fit the bill, I think.

Available here:
https://www.tor.com/2009/07/14/the-cat-who-walked-a-thousand-miles/
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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
I'd like to throw in a classic:

"Have Space Suit - Will Travel" by Robert A. Heinlein.

Nice girl genius to identify with.
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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"Have Space Suit - Will Travel" by Robert A. Heinlein.
Nice girl genius to identify with.
But not the protagonist. She's a side character to contrast with Kip.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"Have Space Suit - Will Travel" by Robert A. Heinlein.
Nice girl genius to identify with.
... Lynn, might she like webcomics? Girl Genius? Alice Grove? Gunnerkrigg
Court? Scary Go Round? Freefall? JL8?

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... Lynn, might she like webcomics? Girl Genius? Alice Grove? Gunnerkrigg
Court? Scary Go Round? Freefall? JL8?
If you really want a webcomic where a female protagonist gets through on
pure grit, surely Digger by Ursula Vernon ( http://diggercomic.com ) is
the gold standard?
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... Lynn, might she like webcomics? Girl Genius? Alice Grove? Gunnerkrigg
Court? Scary Go Round? Freefall? JL8?
If you really want a webcomic where a female protagonist gets through on
pure grit, surely Digger by Ursula Vernon ( http://diggercomic.com ) is
the gold standard?
Good point. I can't recall if I already recommended Vernon's prose books
that are relevant to the request (Summer in Orcus, The Seventh Bride,
Castle Hangnail, Bryony and Roses, The Raven and the Reindeer). Some are
under her T Kingfisher alias. The latest pair - The Clocktaur War - I'd
leave until age 14 or so. The Hamster Princess books are probably too
young for her.

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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"Have Space Suit - Will Travel" by Robert A. Heinlein.
Nice girl genius to identify with.
... Lynn, might she like webcomics? Girl Genius? Alice Grove? Gunnerkrigg
Court? Scary Go Round? Freefall? JL8?
_Freefall_ and _Girl Genius_, what I've seen of _Freefall_,
are not suitable for most ten-year-olds. GG declares so -
it has rather too much sex and violence and complicated
equations - and _Freefall_ includes doubtful politics,
ethics, and patient-veterinarian relations.
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_Freefall_ and _Girl Genius_, what I've seen of _Freefall_,
are not suitable for most ten-year-olds. GG declares so -
it has rather too much sex and violence and complicated
equations - and _Freefall_ includes doubtful politics,
ethics, and patient-veterinarian relations.
OTOH it does deal fairly seriously with the issue of civil rights
for groups that haven't any ... in this case, AIs.

Webcomics dealing with a perhaps similar issue -- how to deal
with a society in which both carnivores and herbivores are
sentient -- include _Doc Rat_ and _Kevin and Kell_ The former
has established that some prey animals are *not* sentient, and
can be eaten in good conscience by carnivores; the latter doesn't
seem to have. Yet. Both are struggling with not-yet-entirely-
successful can't-we-all-just-get-along movements. I wouldn't
recommend that for the average ten-year-old either.
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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the relevant
ones. :)
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the relevant
ones. :)
Given that _A Wrinkle In Time_ was on the list, I'm surprised they didn't
have other fantasy like Harry Potter or Skulduggery Pleasant. I would
have put some Norton, but realized my favorites (_The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted
Stars_) have a male protag as do most of her that I recall..
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the relevant
ones. :)
Given that _A Wrinkle In Time_ was on the list, I'm surprised they didn't
have other fantasy like Harry Potter or Skulduggery Pleasant. I would
have put some Norton, but realized my favorites (_The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted
Stars_) have a male protag as do most of her that I recall..
I read the first _Skulduggery Pleasant_ and wasn't
very impressed with the worldbuilding, but I'm not
the target audience or Irish. Also, if we're looking
for successful perseverance, the focus character
doesn't quite measure up to that, in my opinion.
A good-aligned deadly swordswoman shows up who
is more like that.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the relevant
ones. :)
Given that _A Wrinkle In Time_ was on the list, I'm surprised they didn't
have other fantasy like Harry Potter or Skulduggery Pleasant. I would
have put some Norton, but realized my favorites (_The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted
Stars_) have a male protag as do most of her that I recall..
I read the first _Skulduggery Pleasant_ and wasn't
very impressed with the worldbuilding, but I'm not
the target audience or Irish. Also, if we're looking
for successful perseverance, the focus character
doesn't quite measure up to that, in my opinion.
A good-aligned deadly swordswoman shows up who
is more like that.
Actually, I was conflating this thread and the other recent "YA sf" thread
which mental wandering let me nominate Harry Potter with a male protag
and yet complain I couldn't nominate Norton because male progat. In the
space of two sentences!

I quite like SP though, and Valkerie Cain. It's a series where the
good guys do such horrible things that in another series their only
option would be to Xena it and devote the rest of their lives to
atonement, or die honorably fighting the bad guys. Instead they
go on with their lives..
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with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but
it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids
of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
    Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the relevant
ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ? The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.

Thanks,
Lynn
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2018-08-09 01:50:29 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit
but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself,
but it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have
kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
     Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the
relevant ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ?  The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.
Well, that's certainly the first one to come to mind. Depends on how
you define it. Kyri in _Phoenix Rising_ is about 17 when she starts her
quest, still probably not quite 20 when she finishes it. Princess Holy
Aura may START as a 35 year old guy but, well, Holy Aura herself is 14
and her friends are also that age. If your reader knows a lot of anime,
this won't be nearly so weird as some.

The others do star people that wouldn't generally be considered very
young.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit
but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself,
but it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have
kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
     Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the
relevant ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ?  The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.
Well, that's certainly the first one to come to mind. Depends on how
you define it. Kyri in _Phoenix Rising_ is about 17 when she starts her
quest, still probably not quite 20 when she finishes it. Princess Holy
Aura may START as a 35 year old guy but, well, Holy Aura herself is 14
and her friends are also that age. If your reader knows a lot of anime,
this won't be nearly so weird as some.
The others do star people that wouldn't generally be considered very
young.
Probably a young character isn't required. I think
it's been observed that most young readers identify
with a protagonist older than they are, but not
necessarily with one younger than them. I suppose
that "role model" comes into this.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit
but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself,
but it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have
kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
     Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the
relevant ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ?  The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.
Well, that's certainly the first one to come to mind. Depends on how
you define it. Kyri in _Phoenix Rising_ is about 17 when she starts her
quest, still probably not quite 20 when she finishes it. Princess Holy
Aura may START as a 35 year old guy but, well, Holy Aura herself is 14
and her friends are also that age. If your reader knows a lot of anime,
this won't be nearly so weird as some.
The others do star people that wouldn't generally be considered very
young.
Probably a young character isn't required. I think
it's been observed that most young readers identify
with a protagonist older than they are, but not
necessarily with one younger than them. I suppose
that "role model" comes into this.
Oh, did we mention _The Phantom Tollbooth_? No plucky
heroine, but still. A couple of smart princesses?
And Wikipedia says: "Milo's age was removed from the text -
early drafts have him aged eight or nine - as [the author]
decided not to state it, lest potential readers decide
they were too old to care." Told ya.

_Rebecca's World_ by Terry Nation - Mister Dalek -
is out of print on paper, may be available as audio CD,
or buy as download from Big Finish, maybe. I've got it.
Rebecca is accidentally teleported to a planet with a
plague of "GHOSTS", I forget what exactly but bad news.
It's Wizard of Oz meets Alice in Wonderland meets zombies
meets Pilgrim's Progress meets The Lorax meets
It's A Wonderful Life meets basically no other female
characters - as one Goodreads reader commented. Ah, well.
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit
but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself,
but it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have
kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
     Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the
relevant ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ?  The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.
Well, that's certainly the first one to come to mind. Depends on how
you define it. Kyri in _Phoenix Rising_ is about 17 when she starts her
quest, still probably not quite 20 when she finishes it. Princess Holy
Aura may START as a 35 year old guy but, well, Holy Aura herself is 14
and her friends are also that age. If your reader knows a lot of anime,
this won't be nearly so weird as some.
The others do star people that wouldn't generally be considered very
young.
Probably a young character isn't required. I think
it's been observed that most young readers identify
with a protagonist older than they are, but not
necessarily with one younger than them. I suppose
that "role model" comes into this.
Does this seem to have an effect on the popularity
of the _Harry Potter_ stories; i.e. are middle school
students reluctant to read the earlier books in
the series? Do they tend to start with later books
even if they eventually read them all? Of course,
Harry Potter is a juggernaut.

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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit
but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself,
but it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have
kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
     Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the
relevant ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ?  The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.
Well, that's certainly the first one to come to mind. Depends on how
you define it. Kyri in _Phoenix Rising_ is about 17 when she starts her
quest, still probably not quite 20 when she finishes it. Princess Holy
Aura may START as a 35 year old guy but, well, Holy Aura herself is 14
and her friends are also that age. If your reader knows a lot of anime,
this won't be nearly so weird as some.
The others do star people that wouldn't generally be considered very
young.
How about Larbalestierr's "Magic" trilogy? It's a few years since I've read
them. Are they suitable for a 10 year old?

P. Taine
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit
but with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself,
but it takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have
kids of her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
     Well, some of mine might work. I think you know all of the
relevant ones. :)
Do any of them have a young female lead ?  The only one that I know of
is _Castaway Planet_.
Well, that's certainly the first one to come to mind. Depends on how
you define it. Kyri in _Phoenix Rising_ is about 17 when she starts her
quest, still probably not quite 20 when she finishes it. Princess Holy
Aura may START as a 35 year old guy but, well, Holy Aura herself is 14
and her friends are also that age. If your reader knows a lot of anime,
this won't be nearly so weird as some.
The others do star people that wouldn't generally be considered very
young.
How about Larbalestierr's "Magic" trilogy? It's a few years since I've read
them. Are they suitable for a 10 year old?

P. Taine
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2018-08-09 20:38:02 UTC
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
My friend is going to try “A Beautiful Friendship (Star Kingdom
(Weber))” by David Weber as he already has a copy of it. Somewhere.
Unless his grownup boys already stole it.

https://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Friendship-Star-Kingdom-Weber/dp/1451638264/

Lynn
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"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
I think i'm missing some messages, did anyone suggest the Tiffany
Aching subseries of Discworld? The first one features Tiffany at age
9 going off to with an iron fry pan to save her brother from the
faeries. WEE FREE MEN is the title.

And Diane Duane's cat wizard books, one of which is titled BOOK OF
NIGHT WITH MOON. I didn't like 'em but the kid did about that age.
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
I think i'm missing some messages, did anyone suggest the Tiffany
Aching subseries of Discworld? The first one features Tiffany at age
9 going off to with an iron fry pan to save her brother from the
faeries. WEE FREE MEN is the title.
And Diane Duane's cat wizard books, one of which is titled BOOK OF
NIGHT WITH MOON. I didn't like 'em but the kid did about that age.
Both were mentioned in the thread.

_Book of Night with Moon_ was a most misleading title. The titular book was an important plot element in _So You Want to be a Wizard_ the first book in the series. It was a very minor element, perhaps not even mentioned, in BoNwM, which is IIRC the first of the Feline Wizard books, a spin-off from the original series. I understand the working title was _The Cats of Grand Central_, a much more descriptive title, but perhaps it wouldn't have sold as well.

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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
I think i'm missing some messages, did anyone suggest the Tiffany
Aching subseries of Discworld? The first one features Tiffany at age
9 going off to with an iron fry pan to save her brother from the
faeries. WEE FREE MEN is the title.
And Diane Duane's cat wizard books, one of which is titled BOOK OF
NIGHT WITH MOON. I didn't like 'em but the kid did about that age.
Thank you, I will tell him.

_The Wee Free Men (Tiffany Aching)_ by Terry Pratchett:
https://www.amazon.com/Wee-Free-Men-Tiffany-Aching/dp/0062435264/

_The Book of Night with Moon_ by Diane Duane. Bummer, seems to be out of
print. But somebody did suggest the "So you want to be a wizard" book.
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Night-Moon-Diane-Duane/dp/0446606332/

Lynn
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"If anyone has a suggestion for a book pushing the virtues of grit but
with a female lead, please let me know. I could write one myself, but it
takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one.  Got more ?
I think i'm missing some messages, did anyone suggest the Tiffany
Aching subseries of Discworld? The first one features Tiffany at age
9 going off to with an iron fry pan to save her brother from the
faeries. WEE FREE MEN is the title.
And Diane Duane's cat wizard books, one of which is titled BOOK OF
NIGHT WITH MOON. I didn't like 'em but the kid did about that age.
Thank you, I will tell him.
1) Here are some I haven't seen mentioned that seem to have been written
with the 10-12 age range in mind. At least, when my daughter and son
were 10-12, they were in the marketing section for them AND they
really enjoyed them:

The Cricket in Times Square

Charlotte’s Web

Magic Tree House series (including the associated and
  very cool non-fiction research guides, aimed at kids who
  want to know more about whatever-it-is)

Magic School Bus series


2) Already mentioned, but I agree with very much:

Erin Hunter - Warrior Cat (series)

Wrede - enchanted forest (series)

Duane - So you want to be a wizard (series - my kids thought the
first one was great and had mixed feelings about the
the sequels)


3) A bonus suggestion with no fantasy content:
From the Mixed-up Files of Mrs Basil E Frankweiler

Tony
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2018-08-11 14:53:59 UTC
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1) Here are some I haven't seen mentioned that seem to have been written
with the 10-12 age range in mind. At least, when my daughter and son
were 10-12, they were in the marketing section for them AND they
The Cricket in Times Square
Charlotte???s Web
Magic Tree House series (including the associated and
  very cool non-fiction research guides, aimed at kids who
  want to know more about whatever-it-is)
Magic School Bus series
And, also about as far away from the original question, Edward Eager's books
- Half Magic, Seven-Day Magic, The Time Garden, Magic By the Lake, and Knight's
Castle in particular.

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takes me so long to write fiction that my daughter would have kids of
her own by the time I finished it."
"EDIT: A female or animal lead. A story about a cat who succeeded
through grit, ability, and “can do” would be read three times
back-to-back, I’m sure."
I suggested six books of which he likes one. Got more ?
Thanks,
Lynn
Definitely _not_ a suggested answer to your question, but now it's come to mind I can't stop thinking of James Tiptree Jr's "The only neat thing to do" which made quite an impression on me when I read it not long ago. A quick websearch suggests that it is really "big in Japan" as they say - https://tanoshimi.xyz/2016/11/29/yes-sadpanda-is-one-of-my-sources/ - perhaps others here know more about that, but it fits the stereotypes of what I expect to resonate in Japanese culture - although I'm not entirely convinced by everything in the article.
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