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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by Franklin Horton
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Lynn McGuire
2018-03-01 06:23:54 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/

Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.

If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.

I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.

The author has a website at:
http://franklinhorton.com/

My rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.9 out of 5 stars (118 reviews)

Lynn
Richard Hershberger
2018-03-01 13:36:04 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series.
How very self-referential.

Richard R. Hershberger
Peter Trei
2018-03-01 13:52:35 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.

I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.

pt
Robert Carnegie
2018-03-01 14:34:04 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
Heroin is a 19th century product. Wikipedia says "Heroin is
derived from opium through a process involving various chemicals
such as acetone and acetic anhydride." Amish might have to settle
for laudanum (opium in alcohol) but the rest doesn't sound awfully
difficult if you're determined and you know how. Perhaps most people
would settle for laudanum though, in the circumstances.
Anthony Frost
2018-03-02 11:22:36 UTC
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Heroin is a 19th century product. Wikipedia says "Heroin is
derived from opium through a process involving various chemicals
such as acetone and acetic anhydride." Amish might have to settle
for laudanum (opium in alcohol) but the rest doesn't sound awfully
difficult if you're determined and you know how. Perhaps most people
would settle for laudanum though, in the circumstances.
Sourcing the raw opium will be the problem. Opium poppies grow in a lot
of places but only form useful amounts of opium under certain climatic
conditions.

Anthony
Ahasuerus
2018-03-01 16:37:41 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
ObSF: Turtledove's _WorldWar_ books spend quite a bit of time on the
horrors of a WWII-era society deprived of tobacco and tea.
-dsr-
2018-03-01 16:11:15 UTC
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In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
California is starting to grow coffee. Won't help you on the other side
of the continent, but after we get the sailship industry back up, coffee
is going to be a major import.

-dsr-
Lynn McGuire
2018-03-01 19:23:01 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
pt
The first month or two would be hell for the drug addicts when their
stashes ran out. The author predicts that many of them will off
themselves. Or get offed by others as they look for other peoples stashes.

Me, I am having to cut back on coffee due to the caffeine upsetting my
heart rhythm. It is hell either way I go. Too much coffee and my afib
keeps me awake half of the night. Too little coffee and I have no
energy. In theory, I am cutting from two cups in the morning to one
cup. I am now looking for a bigger cup.

Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2018-03-01 19:32:56 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
pt
The first month or two would be hell for the drug addicts when their
stashes ran out. The author predicts that many of them will off
themselves. Or get offed by others as they look for other peoples stashes.
Me, I am having to cut back on coffee due to the caffeine upsetting my
heart rhythm. It is hell either way I go. Too much coffee and my afib
keeps me awake half of the night. Too little coffee and I have no
energy. In theory, I am cutting from two cups in the morning to one
cup. I am now looking for a bigger cup.
Lynn
http://dilbert.com/strip/2003-06-19
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Lynn McGuire
2018-03-02 00:10:29 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
pt
The first month or two would be hell for the drug addicts when their
stashes ran out. The author predicts that many of them will off
themselves. Or get offed by others as they look for other peoples stashes.
Me, I am having to cut back on coffee due to the caffeine upsetting my
heart rhythm. It is hell either way I go. Too much coffee and my afib
keeps me awake half of the night. Too little coffee and I have no
energy. In theory, I am cutting from two cups in the morning to one
cup. I am now looking for a bigger cup.
Lynn
http://dilbert.com/strip/2003-06-19
Cute. And true.

I started drinking coffee after college. I was working graveyard shifts
at my first job after college. 430am was just horrible until I poured a
chunky cup of coffee into a cup. I think that the coffee was made by
the morning shift.

Lynn
Robert Carnegie
2018-03-02 08:04:25 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
In a dystopian collapse situation, most 'drug problems' are self limiting,
due to a lack of supplies of precursor materials and compounds.
I guess post-dystopian societies would still be able to grow pot and tobacco,
and brew hooch, but beyond that? Opium, just maybe. Amphetamines? Heroine?
Forget it. I'd miss coffee.
pt
The first month or two would be hell for the drug addicts when their
stashes ran out. The author predicts that many of them will off
themselves. Or get offed by others as they look for other peoples stashes.
Me, I am having to cut back on coffee due to the caffeine upsetting my
heart rhythm. It is hell either way I go. Too much coffee and my afib
keeps me awake half of the night. Too little coffee and I have no
energy. In theory, I am cutting from two cups in the morning to one
cup. I am now looking for a bigger cup.
Lynn
http://dilbert.com/strip/2003-06-19
Cute. And true.
I started drinking coffee after college. I was working graveyard shifts
at my first job after college. 430am was just horrible until I poured a
chunky cup of coffee into a cup. I think that the coffee was made by
the morning shift.
Lynn
Mine is not the same thing, but when I switched to decaffeinated
tea (which is half decaffeinated, I believe, so about a quarter of
the caffeine of coffee), I was quite drowsy for a few days, then
I adjusted to it. But later I switched back to mostly drinking
regular tea.
-dsr-
2018-03-02 18:55:25 UTC
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Mine is not the same thing, but when I switched to decaffeinated
tea (which is half decaffeinated, I believe, so about a quarter of
the caffeine of coffee), I was quite drowsy for a few days, then
I adjusted to it. But later I switched back to mostly drinking
regular tea.
8 oz of: Caffeine (mg)
Brewed Coffee 150
Brewed Decaf Coffee 5
Espresso 400
Decaf Espresso 8
Black Tea 50
Decaf Tea 5
Green Tea 25
Hot Cocoa 15
Mountain Dew 40
Red Bull 80
Coca-Cola 25

all numbers approximate.

-dsr-
Lynn McGuire
2018-03-04 20:38:19 UTC
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Mine is not the same thing, but when I switched to decaffeinated
tea (which is half decaffeinated, I believe, so about a quarter of
the caffeine of coffee), I was quite drowsy for a few days, then
I adjusted to it. But later I switched back to mostly drinking
regular tea.
8 oz of: Caffeine (mg)
Brewed Coffee 150
Brewed Decaf Coffee 5
Espresso 400
Decaf Espresso 8
Black Tea 50
Decaf Tea 5
Green Tea 25
Hot Cocoa 15
Mountain Dew 40
Red Bull 80
Coca-Cola 25
all numbers approximate.
-dsr-
I wonder what a Diet Dr. Pepper is. I drink one of those in the afternoon.

Lynn
-dsr-
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8 oz of: Caffeine (mg)
Brewed Coffee 150
Brewed Decaf Coffee 5
Espresso 400
Decaf Espresso 8
Black Tea 50
Decaf Tea 5
Green Tea 25
Hot Cocoa 15
Mountain Dew 40
Red Bull 80
Coca-Cola 25
all numbers approximate.
-dsr-
I wonder what a Diet Dr. Pepper is. I drink one of those in the afternoon.
Assuming it's a 12oz can, about 40 mg.

The FDA sets a maximum limit of 71mg per 12 oz for added
caffeine in beverages. If you aren't adding the caffeine
separately -- for example, coffee, tea, or mate -- it can
go as high as is naturally occurring in that product.

Or if you tell the FDA your product is a supplement rather
than a food, it can have any level of caffeine you want.
The FDA recommends no more than 400mg of caffeine per day
for an average adult.

-dsr-
Lynn McGuire
2018-03-06 01:46:29 UTC
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8 oz of: Caffeine (mg)
Brewed Coffee 150
Brewed Decaf Coffee 5
Espresso 400
Decaf Espresso 8
Black Tea 50
Decaf Tea 5
Green Tea 25
Hot Cocoa 15
Mountain Dew 40
Red Bull 80
Coca-Cola 25
all numbers approximate.
-dsr-
I wonder what a Diet Dr. Pepper is. I drink one of those in the afternoon.
Assuming it's a 12oz can, about 40 mg.
The FDA sets a maximum limit of 71mg per 12 oz for added
caffeine in beverages. If you aren't adding the caffeine
separately -- for example, coffee, tea, or mate -- it can
go as high as is naturally occurring in that product.
Or if you tell the FDA your product is a supplement rather
than a food, it can have any level of caffeine you want.
The FDA recommends no more than 400mg of caffeine per day
for an average adult.
-dsr-
Usually a 12 oz can. I get a nice buzz from the 20 oz bottles. And
then I pay for it later (afib that night).

Lynn
Dimensional Traveler
2018-03-06 02:38:48 UTC
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8 oz of:                Caffeine (mg)
Brewed Coffee           150
Brewed Decaf Coffee       5
Espresso                400
Decaf Espresso            8
Black Tea                50
Decaf Tea                 5
Green Tea                25
Hot Cocoa                15
Mountain Dew             40
Red Bull                 80
Coca-Cola                25
all numbers approximate.
-dsr-
I wonder what a Diet Dr. Pepper is.  I drink one of those in the
afternoon.
Assuming it's a 12oz can, about 40 mg.
The FDA sets a maximum limit of 71mg per 12 oz for added
caffeine in beverages. If you aren't adding the caffeine
separately -- for example, coffee, tea, or mate -- it can
go as high as is naturally occurring in that product.
Or if you tell the FDA your product is a supplement rather
than a food, it can have any level of caffeine you want.
The FDA recommends no more than 400mg of caffeine per day
for an average adult.
-dsr-
Usually a 12 oz can.  I get a nice buzz from the 20 oz bottles.  And
then I pay for it later (afib that night).
Hee. I remember back in my 20s when I played Dungeons and Dragons type
games, my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!") one
evening. We proceeded to drink them all over about two hours, ended the
game and then all climbed into our sleeping bags on the floor and
proceeded to uncontrollably talk for the rest of the night, finally all
crashing and passing out around dawn. :)
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2018-03-06 06:18:21 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
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Ahasuerus
2018-03-06 15:45:08 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Well, yes, but he is a dimensional traveler...
Jay E. Morris
2018-03-06 16:19:49 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...

"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Dimensional Traveler
2018-03-06 21:03:10 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...
"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Wait! They still make the stuff!?!
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instinct are running screaming.
Ahasuerus
2018-03-06 21:22:05 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...
"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Wait! They still make the stuff!?!
According to https://www.joltcola.com/about :

"Despite its cult following, Jolt evolved away from its original
core product and stopped production. Jolt CEO Doug Dixon’s vision for
Jolt Cola as the phoenix of energy drinks brought the seriously
jacked-up cola back to market in September 2017, with single cans
available for purchase exclusively at Dollar Generals nationwide and
four-packs shipped through Amazon."

Sure enough, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075VFWSPD/ says:

"Our proprietary original recipe features real cane sugar and that
classic cola flavor that Jolt Cola fans have loved since 1985."
Dimensional Traveler
2018-03-07 02:42:51 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...
"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Wait! They still make the stuff!?!
"Despite its cult following, Jolt evolved away from its original
core product and stopped production. Jolt CEO Doug Dixon’s vision for
Jolt Cola as the phoenix of energy drinks brought the seriously
jacked-up cola back to market in September 2017, with single cans
available for purchase exclusively at Dollar Generals nationwide and
four-packs shipped through Amazon."
"Our proprietary original recipe features real cane sugar and that
classic cola flavor that Jolt Cola fans have loved since 1985."
I'm torn between running for the nearest apocalypse shelter and
wondering which has more caffeine, Jolt or Red Bull.
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J. Clarke
2018-03-07 03:25:37 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...
"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Wait! They still make the stuff!?!
"Despite its cult following, Jolt evolved away from its original
core product and stopped production. Jolt CEO Doug Dixon’s vision for
Jolt Cola as the phoenix of energy drinks brought the seriously
jacked-up cola back to market in September 2017, with single cans
available for purchase exclusively at Dollar Generals nationwide and
four-packs shipped through Amazon."
"Our proprietary original recipe features real cane sugar and that
classic cola flavor that Jolt Cola fans have loved since 1985."
I'm torn between running for the nearest apocalypse shelter and
wondering which has more caffeine, Jolt or Red Bull.
Do you watch iZombie? If not you might enjoy it. An energy drink
called "Max Rager" contributes to the chaos. I started to say
apocalypse, but so far that has been avoided.
Dimensional Traveler
2018-03-07 06:12:36 UTC
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 18:42:51 -0800, Dimensional Traveler
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...
"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Wait! They still make the stuff!?!
"Despite its cult following, Jolt evolved away from its original
core product and stopped production. Jolt CEO Doug Dixon’s vision for
Jolt Cola as the phoenix of energy drinks brought the seriously
jacked-up cola back to market in September 2017, with single cans
available for purchase exclusively at Dollar Generals nationwide and
four-packs shipped through Amazon."
"Our proprietary original recipe features real cane sugar and that
classic cola flavor that Jolt Cola fans have loved since 1985."
I'm torn between running for the nearest apocalypse shelter and
wondering which has more caffeine, Jolt or Red Bull.
Do you watch iZombie? If not you might enjoy it. An energy drink
called "Max Rager" contributes to the chaos. I started to say
apocalypse, but so far that has been avoided.
Yes, I've watched iZombie since it premiered. I'm recording the new
season but haven't had the time to watch yet.
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instinct are running screaming.
Torbjorn Lindgren
2018-03-08 11:09:09 UTC
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"Our proprietary original recipe features real cane sugar and that
classic cola flavor that Jolt Cola fans have loved since 1985."
I'm torn between running for the nearest apocalypse shelter and
wondering which has more caffeine, Jolt or Red Bull.
Jolt Cola has marginally more caffeine than Reb Bull when measuring a
given volume but the difference is only ~6% (10 mg per fl. oz vs 9.5
mg per fl. oz). Note though that Red Bull tends to come in smaller
cans than Jolt Cola so it depends on how you measure it.

Also, like most other energy drinks it also contains various other
components that isn't in in a "cola", the most advertised one is
probably taurine. Which AFAIK has no proven effect on humans but...
that's never stopped anyone from claiming something :-)
Dorothy J Heydt
2018-03-06 21:07:47 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Mine was "twice the sugar" but ...
"From the outset, Jolt's marketing strategy centered on the caffeine
content, billing the drink as a means to promote wakefulness. The
initial slogan was "All the sugar and twice the caffeine"; this slogan
survived for 24 years.This slogan was changed to "Maximum caffeine, more
power"."
Wait! They still make the stuff!?!
Apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolt_Cola
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
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2018-03-06 17:15:03 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Sounds like "smoke-chasers' tea," favored by people fighting
wildfires, defined as "boiling hot, strong as lye, and enough
sugar to make it syrupy."
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Robert Carnegie
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Sounds like "smoke-chasers' tea," favored by people fighting
wildfires, defined as "boiling hot, strong as lye, and enough
sugar to make it syrupy."
For tomorrow we die??
Dorothy J Heydt
2018-03-06 22:04:42 UTC
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my gaming group of about six people bought two six packs of Jolt
Cola ("Twice the caffeine and twice the sugar of regular coke!")
My recollection of the slogan is "All the sugar and twice the caffeine",
rather than "twice the sugar".
Sounds like "smoke-chasers' tea," favored by people fighting
wildfires, defined as "boiling hot, strong as lye, and enough
sugar to make it syrupy."
For tomorrow we die??
Well, without the tea they might die today.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
The Zygon
2018-03-10 04:52:20 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
http://franklinhorton.com/
My rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.9 out of 5 stars (118 reviews)
Lynn
I don't read post-apocalyptic fiction anymore. The only two I have read which did not depress me are _A Canticle For Liebowitz_ and A E Van Vogt's Wizard of Linn series.
Robert Carnegie
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
http://franklinhorton.com/
My rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.9 out of 5 stars (118 reviews)
Lynn
I don't read post-apocalyptic fiction anymore. The only two I have read which did not depress me are _A Canticle For Liebowitz_ and A E Van Vogt's Wizard of Linn series.
If you haven't looked, then you might, at Poul Anderson's
_There Will Be Time_ and Spider Robinson's _Telempath_.

It seems the first part of _Telempath_ is novella "By Any Other Name"
and less cheerful on its own. After which the hero gets arrested...
D B Davis
2018-03-10 18:50:18 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
http://franklinhorton.com/
My rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.9 out of 5 stars (118 reviews)
Lynn
I don't read post-apocalyptic fiction anymore. The only two I have read
which did not depress me are _A Canticle For Liebowitz_ and A E Van Vogt's
Wizard of Linn series.
"Lux Fiat" is the middle story of _Canticle_ and it's evergreen for
me in the sense that it's one of my favorites. There's just something
about its generator of electrical essences, its politics, and its
Benjamin that always appeals to me. The other two stories that open and
close _Canticle_ just don't cut it as much for me.
_Hunger Games_ (Collins) works for me. But it probably doesn't
qualify as post-apocalyptic fiction. It's just set in a dystopic future.

Thank you,

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Don
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2018-03-10 20:52:46 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series. I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River. I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult. This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario. With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
http://franklinhorton.com/
My rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.9 out of 5 stars (118 reviews)
Lynn
I don't read post-apocalyptic fiction anymore. The only two I have read
which did not depress me are _A Canticle For Liebowitz_ and A E Van Vogt's
Wizard of Linn series.
"Lux Fiat" is the middle story of _Canticle_ and it's evergreen for
me in the sense that it's one of my favorites. There's just something
about its generator of electrical essences, its politics, and its
Benjamin that always appeals to me. The other two stories that open and
close _Canticle_ just don't cut it as much for me.
_Hunger Games_ (Collins) works for me. But it probably doesn't
qualify as post-apocalyptic fiction. It's just set in a dystopic future.
The civil war that brought about PanAm was apparently pretty apocalyptic
since 75 years afterwards the population of North America is still in
the single digit millions at best.
--
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instinct are running screaming.
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2018-03-10 21:05:56 UTC
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_Grace Under Fire: Book Two In The Locker Nine Series (Volume 2)_ by
Franklin Horton
     https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Under-Fire-Book-Locker/dp/1978345550/
Book number two in a two book dystopian series spinoff from a five book
dystopian series.  I read the well printed and bound POD (print on
demand) book from Big River.  I will order and read any more book in
these series from the author, this is the good stuff.
If the USA rapidly spins into an apocalypse, getting home while at
college or elsewhere might be difficult.  This is part II of that
journey home from college for a young lady.
I note that the author is very concerned about the current level of drug
(legal and illegal) usage in the USA contributing to a apocalyptic
scenario.  With the recent focus on the opioid crisis, this concern
might be valid.
     http://franklinhorton.com/
My rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:  4.9 out of 5 stars (118 reviews)
Lynn
I don't read post-apocalyptic fiction anymore.  The only two I have read
which did not depress me are _A Canticle For Liebowitz_ and A E Van Vogt's
Wizard of Linn series.
"Lux Fiat" is the middle story of _Canticle_ and it's evergreen for
me in the sense that it's one of my favorites. There's just something
about its generator of electrical essences, its politics, and its
Benjamin that always appeals to me. The other two stories that open and
close _Canticle_ just don't cut it as much for me.
     _Hunger Games_ (Collins) works for me. But it probably doesn't
qualify as post-apocalyptic fiction. It's just set in a dystopic future.
The civil war that brought about PanAm was apparently pretty apocalyptic
since 75 years afterwards the population of North America is still in
the single digit millions at best.
And the fact that nobody from outside is taking advantage of the many
vulnerabilities inherent in how Panem is doing things indicates that the
rest of the world is probably as bad off or worse.

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