Post by J. ClarkeOn Thu, 6 Feb 2020 00:55:29 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuirePost by QuadiblocPost by Lynn McGuireYou do realize that you are advocating a civil war in the USA.
Democratic Representatives deciding to snub Trump's State of the Union address
is a civil war?
I doubt that unarmed Democrats are seeking to initiate such a thing. They expect
the country's institutions to work. Impeachment didn't, so now they expect Trump
to lose the next election. If they could have done a less messy job of picking a
new candidate, that might not have seemed unrealistic.
John Savard
Not showing up for your sworn duties is rebellion. Rebellion leads to
civil war.
When did members of the House of Representatives swear to listen to a
speech? The Constitution requires the President to deliver it, it
doesn't require anybody to listen to it.
The President delivering the speech in person, before a joint
session, isn't even in the Constitution. This is:
[quote] US Constitution, Article II
Section 3 - President shall communicate to Congress. He may convene and
adjourn Congress, in case of disagreement, etc. Shall receive
ambassadors, execute laws, and commission officers.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state
of the Union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he
shall judge necessary and expedient;....
{There's nothing there saying he has to do it in person.
More below.}
.....he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, ....
{Not giving Ukraine the promised military aid in a timely fashion
could possibly have been interpreted as this, but it wasn't.}
[/quote] - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/art2.asp
[quote]
According to the National Archives, George Washington first fulfilled
this particular presidential duty on January 8, 1790, when he addressed
the new Congress in the Senate Chamber of Federal Hall in New York City
(then the U.S. capital). But Thomas Jefferson, the third president, chose
to give his annual message to Congress in writing rather than make the
trek to the Capitol — kicking off a tradition that would last nearly a
century.
{TJ thought that the Pres orating in front of Congress smacked
too much of a British king giving the speech to open Parliament.
He may have been right about that.}
In 1913, Woodrow Wilson decided to buck that tradition. Shortly after
his inauguration, Wilson went to Capitol Hill to make a speech about
tariffs, becoming the first president since John Adams to presume to
address Congress directly, on its own turf. That December, Wilson
returned before Congress to give the first modern State of the Union
address (though it wouldn’t officially be called that until Franklin
D. Roosevelt’s presidency).
....
Since Wilson, all presidents (except Herbert Hoover) have chosen to go
before Congress to deliver their annual messages, though some
presidents reverted to a written message at times. With the advent of
radio, television and the Internet, the State of the Union has become
an even bigger opportunity for presidents to speak directly to
Americans, including highlighting achievements and outlining priorities
and policies for the future. An estimated 48 million people watched
President Trump’s first address to a joint session of Congress in February
2017, considered the first-term equivalent of the State of the Union.
[/quote]
https://www.history.com/news/state-of-the-union-explained
The Speaker, after the Clinton and Trump impeachments, might
have not invited the President to speak, but that would have
been seen as petty, and hurt the party holding the House in
the next election.
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Kevin R
a.a #2310