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Coronavirus COVID-19 (JHU) on March 19, 2020
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Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 18:01:11 UTC
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“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday

Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday

USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday

USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday

Hat tip to:
http://drudgereport.com/

Lynn
Panthera Tigris Altaica
2020-03-19 18:31:06 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
   https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
   http://drudgereport.com/
Lynn
This is becoming quite serious. I didn't know that confirmed deaths were
just short of 10k. That's over 4%. That's not Ebola-class deadly, but
that is a serious rate. To be sure, the actual rate is probably lower,
as there will be a lot people who are infected but don't know it and
aren't on the list of confirmed cases. However, even if unconfirmed
cases equal to the number of known cases are out there, something I
doubt, that's still 2%, Spanish Flu level of death. We're looking at
hundreds of thousands dead, perhaps millions. 2% of the US population is
7 million, 4% is 14 million. Multiply by the percentage you think will
be infected. If 10% of the US population is infected, that's 700,000 to
1.4 million. Frankly, I'd be surprised if less than 5% of the US
population gets infected, particularly after certain statements made by
major political figures and on popular news platforms. I'm seeing a
_lot_ of comments on various places around the Internet about how this
is just a hoax, that the CDC is not to be trusted, that the CDC is part
of the 'Deep State' which is out to get a certain person, and so on.
This is going to be messy. The good news is that a substantial
proportion of those who get infected will be those who, for whatever
reason, follow the 'Deep State' kind of nonsense. Think of it as
evolution in action. The bad news is that they won't be alone.
Alan Baker
2020-03-19 19:02:04 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science
and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19,
2020
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
    http://drudgereport.com/
Lynn
This is becoming quite serious. I didn't know that confirmed deaths were
just short of 10k. That's over 4%. That's not Ebola-class deadly, but
that is a serious rate. To be sure, the actual rate is probably lower,
as there will be a lot people who are infected but don't know it and
aren't on the list of confirmed cases. However, even if unconfirmed
cases equal to the number of known cases are out there, something I
doubt, that's still 2%, Spanish Flu level of death. We're looking at
hundreds of thousands dead, perhaps millions. 2% of the US population is
7 million, 4% is 14 million. Multiply by the percentage you think will
be infected. If 10% of the US population is infected, that's 700,000 to
1.4 million. Frankly, I'd be surprised if less than 5% of the US
population gets infected, particularly after certain statements made by
major political figures and on popular news platforms. I'm seeing a
_lot_ of comments on various places around the Internet about how this
is just a hoax, that the CDC is not to be trusted, that the CDC is part
of the 'Deep State' which is out to get a certain person, and so on.
This is going to be messy. The good news is that a substantial
proportion of those who get infected will be those who, for whatever
reason, follow the 'Deep State' kind of nonsense. Think of it as
evolution in action. The bad news is that they won't be alone.
No. It is not BECOMING quite serious.

It has been serious for quite a while.

As for the rest.. ...yeah, pretty much.
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 21:55:34 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science
and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19,
2020
    https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
    http://drudgereport.com/
Lynn
This is becoming quite serious. I didn't know that confirmed deaths were
just short of 10k. That's over 4%. That's not Ebola-class deadly, but
that is a serious rate. To be sure, the actual rate is probably lower,
as there will be a lot people who are infected but don't know it and
aren't on the list of confirmed cases. However, even if unconfirmed
cases equal to the number of known cases are out there, something I
doubt, that's still 2%, Spanish Flu level of death. We're looking at
hundreds of thousands dead, perhaps millions. 2% of the US population is
7 million, 4% is 14 million. Multiply by the percentage you think will
be infected. If 10% of the US population is infected, that's 700,000 to
1.4 million. Frankly, I'd be surprised if less than 5% of the US
population gets infected, particularly after certain statements made by
major political figures and on popular news platforms. I'm seeing a
_lot_ of comments on various places around the Internet about how this
is just a hoax, that the CDC is not to be trusted, that the CDC is part
of the 'Deep State' which is out to get a certain person, and so on.
This is going to be messy. The good news is that a substantial
proportion of those who get infected will be those who, for whatever
reason, follow the 'Deep State' kind of nonsense. Think of it as
evolution in action. The bad news is that they won't be alone.
The estimate that I have seen is that only 14% of the infected have been
tested and found to have the virus. That would put the actual worldwide
infected at 1.7 million.

The immunologists working at the White House (USA) are taking the
following modelling of the infected in the USA to be at 75 million to
150 million by August if people do not isolate. That is a breath taking
amount, especially if 20% of those require hospitalization.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Lynn
J. Clarke
2020-03-19 20:46:36 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?

It isn't like you're posting obscure information.

And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
Alan Baker
2020-03-19 20:57:06 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.

Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
James Nicoll
2020-03-19 22:23:03 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.

ObSF: Earth Abides.
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Alan Baker
2020-03-19 22:28:20 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
Of course there's a limit...

...but you asked why he wasn't posting about other deaths...

...and I told you.

BTW, it's now 13,671 cases in the US...

...MORE than double what it was just two days ago.

Deaths are now 191...

...and there were just 86 only 3 days ago.
James Nicoll
2020-03-19 22:44:00 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
Of course there's a limit...
...but you asked why he wasn't posting about other deaths...
I did not. You have confused me with another poster.
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Alan Baker
2020-03-19 22:45:00 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
Of course there's a limit...
...but you asked why he wasn't posting about other deaths...
I did not. You have confused me with another poster.
Hence my second post apologizing. :-)
James Nicoll
2020-03-19 22:57:50 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become
relevant to the story.
Post by James Nicoll
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
Of course there's a limit...
...but you asked why he wasn't posting about other deaths...
I did not. You have confused me with another poster.
Hence my second post apologizing. :-)
No worries.
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Alan Baker
2020-03-19 22:29:24 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
My apologies for my tone, James.

I thought I was replying to J. Clarke.
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 22:38:51 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
Hey, I think that I remember reading that ! I'll bet that I lost it in
the Great Flood of '89 though as I did not see it while I was packing my
precious crap XXXX stuff in January.
https://www.amazon.com/Earth-Abides-George-R-Stewart/dp/0449213013/

Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 22:51:42 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become
relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
     http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
Hey, I think that I remember reading that !  I'll bet that I lost it in
the Great Flood of '89 though as I did not see it while I was packing my
precious crap XXXX stuff in January.
   https://www.amazon.com/Earth-Abides-George-R-Stewart/dp/0449213013/
Lynn
Nope, according to Amazon, I bought the trade paperback in 2010.

BTW, other pandemic books that I have read are:

1. "Emergence" by David Palmer
https://www.amazon.com/Emergence-David-R-Palmer/dp/194881806X/

2. "The Jakarta Pandemic" by Steven Konkoly

https://www.amazon.com/JAKARTA-PANDEMIC-Modern-Thriller-Fletcher/dp/1796209864/

3. "The Survivalist" by Arthur Bradley

https://www.amazon.com/Survivalist-Frontier-Justice-Arthur-Bradley-dp-148274631X/dp/148274631X/

Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 22:55:04 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they
become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
     http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
Hey, I think that I remember reading that !  I'll bet that I lost it
in the Great Flood of '89 though as I did not see it while I was
packing my precious crap XXXX stuff in January.
    https://www.amazon.com/Earth-Abides-George-R-Stewart/dp/0449213013/
Lynn
Nope, according to Amazon, I bought the trade paperback in 2010.
1. "Emergence" by David Palmer
   https://www.amazon.com/Emergence-David-R-Palmer/dp/194881806X/
2. "The Jakarta Pandemic" by Steven Konkoly
https://www.amazon.com/JAKARTA-PANDEMIC-Modern-Thriller-Fletcher/dp/1796209864/
3. "The Survivalist" by Arthur Bradley
https://www.amazon.com/Survivalist-Frontier-Justice-Arthur-Bradley-dp-148274631X/dp/148274631X/
Lynn
4. "World War Z" by Max Brooks
https://www.amazon.com/World-War-Oral-History-Zombie/dp/0307346617/

5. "Under a Graveyard Sky" by John Ringo
https://www.amazon.com/Under-Graveyard-Black-Tide-Rising/dp/147673660X/

Lynn
J. Clarke
2020-03-19 23:20:07 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-19 23:23:17 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
If I killed 39 people even on one day only,
I bet I'd get a documentary made. Or at least
a page in Wikipedia.
J. Clarke
2020-03-19 23:28:58 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
If I killed 39 people even on one day only,
I bet I'd get a documentary made. Or at least
a page in Wikipedia.
Which doesn't alter things. Death by Robert Carnegie is not something
that the average person needs to fear.
Alan Baker
2020-03-19 23:36:41 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:23:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
If I killed 39 people even on one day only,
I bet I'd get a documentary made. Or at least
a page in Wikipedia.
Which doesn't alter things. Death by Robert Carnegie is not something
that the average person needs to fear.
They'd need to fear it if he killed 39 today...

...after having killed 23 the day before...

...and 18 the day before that...

...and 11 the day before that.

It would give one a pattern to predict how many he might kill tomorrow...

...or in two weeks time.
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-19 23:43:35 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:23:17 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
If I killed 39 people even on one day only,
I bet I'd get a documentary made. Or at least
a page in Wikipedia.
Which doesn't alter things. Death by Robert Carnegie is not something
that the average person needs to fear.
They'd need to fear it if he killed 39 today...
...after having killed 23 the day before...
...and 18 the day before that...
...and 11 the day before that.
It would give one a pattern to predict how many he might kill tomorrow...
...or in two weeks time.
_The Fibonacci Killings: The Series_

Okay, it should be "sequence", but then the joke
doesn't work.
Dimensional Traveler
2020-03-20 01:15:22 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
If I killed 39 people even on one day only,
I bet I'd get a documentary made. Or at least
a page in Wikipedia.
ANYONE can have a Wikipedia page. Heck, I'll bet that even Donald Trump
has one! :P
--
"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?"
Kevrob
2020-03-20 15:11:50 UTC
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
If I killed 39 people even on one day only,
I bet I'd get a documentary made. Or at least
a page in Wikipedia.
ANYONE can have a Wikipedia page. Heck, I'll bet that even Donald Trump
has one! :P
Ahhh, but if the editors decide you aren't notable enough....

Ask James Davis Nicoll, or check out:

https://deletionpedia.org/en/Main_Page

[quote]

Deletionpedia is an interesting project that currently hosts more than
60.000 Wikipedia pages that have been deleted. Interested users can
browse Deletionpedia by various parameters including date of deletion,
by number of revisions or editors.

[/quote]

https://www.ghacks.net/2009/06/11/read-deleted-wikipedia-pages-on-deletionpedia/

Kevin R
Alan Baker
2020-03-19 23:34:19 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
What is the rate of increase of the deaths from COVID-19?

Oh, and the deaths today aren't 39: they're 56.

Total deaths in the US stand at 207...

...which is nearly twice what it was 2 days ago.

What do you think it will be in another 2 days...

...or 20?
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 23:49:46 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
Yet, here we are destroying the economy of the USA.

I have three months of cash for my business. I am hoping that me and my
eight employees can muddle through this. Of course, we got a double
whammy with the Saudis going after the Russians (and the frackers).
Plus natural gas dropping below $2.00 in January. The perfect storm.

Lynn
Alan Baker
2020-03-19 23:54:09 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become
relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
     http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total.  Posting the total gives perspective.  Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today.  When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
Yet, here we are destroying the economy of the USA.
I have three months of cash for my business.  I am hoping that me and my
eight employees can muddle through this.  Of course, we got a double
whammy with the Saudis going after the Russians (and the frackers). Plus
natural gas dropping below $2.00 in January.  The perfect storm.
Lynn
Don't worry, Trump will be giving economic relief...

...to the huge corporations.
Chris Buckley
2020-03-20 00:55:12 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
I have three months of cash for my business.  I am hoping that me and my
eight employees can muddle through this.  Of course, we got a double
whammy with the Saudis going after the Russians (and the frackers). Plus
natural gas dropping below $2.00 in January.  The perfect storm.
Lynn
Don't worry, Trump will be giving economic relief...
...to the huge corporations.
Though do note that Trump wanted to include $50 Billion to the Small
Business Administration in the last House bill, but the Democrats
refused. They have since started working on their own bill.

Chris
Alan Baker
2020-03-20 01:18:18 UTC
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Post by Chris Buckley
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lynn McGuire
I have three months of cash for my business.  I am hoping that me and my
eight employees can muddle through this.  Of course, we got a double
whammy with the Saudis going after the Russians (and the frackers). Plus
natural gas dropping below $2.00 in January.  The perfect storm.
Lynn
Don't worry, Trump will be giving economic relief...
...to the huge corporations.
Though do note that Trump wanted to include $50 Billion to the Small
Business Administration in the last House bill, but the Democrats
refused. They have since started working on their own bill.
I'll need to see a little support and context for that.
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-20 00:02:23 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
"California projects 56 percent of population will be infected with
coronavirus over 8-week period"

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week

Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?

Hat tip to:
http://drudgereport.com/

Lynn
Alan Baker
2020-03-20 00:21:08 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become
relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
     http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total.  Posting the total gives perspective.  Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today.  When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
"California projects 56 percent of population will be infected with
coronavirus over 8-week period"
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
Such a pity you can't read:

'“This projection shows why it’s so critical that Californians take
action to slow the spread of the disease – and those mitigation efforts
aren’t taken into account in those numbers."'

Get it now?
William Hyde
2020-03-20 18:11:28 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
"California projects 56 percent of population will be infected with
coronavirus over 8-week period"
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?

Or are you just trolling?

William Hyde
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-20 18:19:28 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total. Posting the total gives perspective. Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today. When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
"California projects 56 percent of population will be infected with
coronavirus over 8-week period"
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?

Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-20 19:50:41 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
      https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they
become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
      http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for
continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total.  Posting the total gives perspective.  Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today.  When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
"California projects 56 percent of population will be infected with
coronavirus over 8-week period"
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious.  Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
Lynn
Wow, this author claims 10,000,000 dead in the USA with no quarantining
and 4,000 dead with quarantining.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

Lynn
Paul S Person
2020-03-21 17:32:28 UTC
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On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:50:41 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March
19, 2020
      https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they
become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
      http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for
continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
At present COVID-19 deaths in the US in any given day are 0.14% of the
total.  Posting the total gives perspective.  Oh, it's so horrible, 39
people died of COVID-19 today.  When you add that 28,737 people died
today of something that _wasn't_ COVID-19 then that's another story.
But it doesn't suit the "Sky is falling" narrative.
"California projects 56 percent of population will be infected with
coronavirus over 8-week period"
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious.  Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
Lynn
Wow, this author claims 10,000,000 dead in the USA with no quarantining
and 4,000 dead with quarantining.
If this is what the powers-that-be are looking at, then their anxiety
and efforts at control are perfectly reasonable.

I read an article on what I suppose could be called "medical
exercises" (analogous to "military exercises"), done first after the
Ebola situation, run again for the incoming Trump administration in
January 2017, and run by Trump's own government in 2019, which showed
-- well, pretty much what we've seen: a lack of preparation, different
states doing different things, shortages, economic problems.

The problem is this: even with the National Debt being used as a
credit card, there /are/ limits to how much can be spent. You have to
look not only at how bad it could be, but how likely it is. And a
pandemic is an unlikely event. The last one was 100 years ago. Before
that I believe you have to go back several centuries. So correcting
the problems took back seat to other issues (the Wall! investigating
Benghazi!). Unfortunately, unlikely as a pandemic might be, a pandemic
is what we have. Hindsight is, indeed, 20/20.

This is similar to a really big Space Rock wiping us out: possible,
capable of inspiring a great movie, but not very likely. In that case,
IIRC, we have/are establishing tracking stations so at least we will
have some warning. Moving everybody /right now/ under 10 miles of
solid rock is not an option, even if it would work.

Locally, we are waiting for "the big one". This comes along (IIRC)
every 500 years or so, and the last one was 300 years ago. But it
/could/ happen today. Still, what makes sense is to spiff up the
building codes, in the hope that, by the time the big one hits, most
buildings will be able to ride it out since the new requirements will
be in effect when they are rebuilt over the next 200 years or so.

And that is the difference between /potential/ catastrophes and
/actual/ catastrophes. The arguments used to postpone or at least
space out work on the former simply do not apply to the latter.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
William Hyde
2020-03-21 18:02:44 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.

I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.

There's a newspaper article which evaluates various levels of isolation in terms of strictness and duration:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/

The graph summarizes the article but:

In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).

It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.

As to the original claim. I suppose we'll have tow wait about seven weeks.

William Hyde
Alan Baker
2020-03-21 20:59:28 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection
rate with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were
saying something you clearly were not.
Except for the fact that the article EXPLICITLY states that the
prediction is for the case of not doing anything:

'Jesse Melgar, a spokesman for the governor, specified that the estimate
was without mitigating factors.

“Governor Newsom has been honest about the threat of the virus and its
impact on the health and welfare of Californians,” he said in a
statement to The Hill. “This projection shows why it’s so critical that
Californians take action to slow the spread of the disease – and those
mitigation efforts aren’t taken into account in those numbers.'
Post by William Hyde
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've
seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same
number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer
under strict isolation.
Did YOU not read the article either?
Post by William Hyde
There's a newspaper article which evaluates various levels of
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen
(at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread.
Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather.
If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article
points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That
factors into the confidence intervals.
As to the original claim. I suppose we'll have tow wait about seven weeks.
No... ...we won't.

Because mitigation efforts ARE being used.
William Hyde
2020-03-22 20:51:45 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection
rate with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were
saying something you clearly were not.
Except for the fact that the article EXPLICITLY states that the
'Jesse Melgar, a spokesman for the governor, specified that the estimate
was without mitigating factors.
“Governor Newsom has been honest about the threat of the virus and its
impact on the health and welfare of Californians,” he said in a
statement to The Hill. “This projection shows why it’s so critical that
Californians take action to slow the spread of the disease – and those
mitigation efforts aren’t taken into account in those numbers.'
Post by William Hyde
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've
seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same
number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer
under strict isolation.
Did YOU not read the article either?
I seldom click links (1). Good things rarely happen, and my browser is prone to crash.

I did link to your NYT article, but on my browser no graphs showed up. For example.

(1) A Lin Carter fan posted a link to his memorial page here some time ago. It crashed even my UNIX machine, which normally shrugged off that sort of thing.


William Hyde
Alan Baker
2020-03-22 21:11:57 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 2:19:35 PM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
Post by William Hyde
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56%
infection rate with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you
were saying something you clearly were not.
Except for the fact that the article EXPLICITLY states that the
'Jesse Melgar, a spokesman for the governor, specified that the
estimate was without mitigating factors.
“Governor Newsom has been honest about the threat of the virus and
its impact on the health and welfare of Californians,” he said in
a statement to The Hill. “This projection shows why it’s so
critical that Californians take action to slow the spread of the
disease – and those mitigation efforts aren’t taken into account in
those numbers.'
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies
I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that.
The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will
take longer under strict isolation.
Did YOU not read the article either?
I seldom click links (1). Good things rarely happen, and my browser is prone to crash.
Then I suggest you get a better browser, OS and even computer.
Post by William Hyde
I did link to your NYT article, but on my browser no graphs showed up. For example.
Enable javascript for that site and they will.
Post by William Hyde
(1) A Lin Carter fan posted a link to his memorial page here some
time ago. It crashed even my UNIX machine, which normally shrugged
off that sort of thing.
I suggest the problem is more with the user's maintenance of said
machine than with the machine itself.

If you're having that much trouble with maintaining a stable system...

...and you like UNIX...

...just get a Mac.
Gary R. Schmidt
2020-03-22 09:45:24 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
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J. Clarke
2020-03-22 11:03:48 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:45:24 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.
That your government is putting you in lock-down has little to do with
the virus. It just seems to be the fashionable thing to do these
days.
Gary R. Schmidt
2020-03-22 12:16:53 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:45:24 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.
That your government is putting you in lock-down has little to do with
the virus. It just seems to be the fashionable thing to do these
days.
Well, as dear Dorothy said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you
can't make her think."

Cheers,
Gary B-)
--
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J. Clarke
2020-03-22 12:59:34 UTC
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:45:24 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.
That your government is putting you in lock-down has little to do with
the virus. It just seems to be the fashionable thing to do these
days.
Well, as dear Dorothy said, "You can lead a whore to culture, but you
can't make her think."
Your average whore has to do more thinking than your average "cultured
person". The whore has to function at a "wrong decisions mean I
starve or die" level, not a "wrong decisions mean I get derided by
some other moron" level.
Chrysi Cat
2020-03-22 21:47:42 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:45:24 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.
That your government is putting you in lock-down has little to do with
the virus. It just seems to be the fashionable thing to do these
days.
I just love when minarchists tell us that the lockdown is security theatre.

And the worst part is, the only way to know whether we're right or they
are would be to continue business as usual through what all reasonable
evidence suggests is a pandemic, because if the lockdown works they'll
accuse the disease of not being near as communicable as suggested.

And of course if _not even_ the lockdown keeps transmission down,
they'll ask why we shut down the economy when 20 percent of seniors and
1% of all others were just going to die no matter what.

So it's very much "lose-lose" for us, and the odds of your bet, Mr.
Pseudonym, being a winner are low enough that it's not worth letting
them place it.
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger.
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
J. Clarke
2020-03-22 23:32:00 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/488547-california-projects-56-percent-of-the-population-will-be-infected-over-8-week
Why is California bothering with the self quarantine then ?
After all this time do you really not know this?
Or are you just trolling?
William Hyde
Nope, I am really curious. Or are they predicting 56% infection rate
with self quarantining ?
My apologies Lynn, I misunderstood the context and thought you were saying something you clearly were not.
I can't tell where that 56% number comes from, but most studies I've seen rate self-isolation as far more effective than that. The same number of people, or more, may be affected but it will take longer under strict isolation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/technology/science/article-when-does-social-distancing-end-these-graphs-show-where-were-heading/
In the online version the 80% confidence levels are not easily seen (at least with my browser).
It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.
That your government is putting you in lock-down has little to do with
the virus. It just seems to be the fashionable thing to do these
days.
I just love when minarchists tell us that the lockdown is security theatre.
And the worst part is, the only way to know whether we're right or they
are would be to continue business as usual through what all reasonable
evidence suggests is a pandemic,
The common cold is a pandemic. 200 or so of them in fact. That
something is a "pandemic" doesn't mean that it is something to be
alarmed about.
Post by Chrysi Cat
because if the lockdown works they'll
accuse the disease of not being near as communicable as suggested.
Some states are locking down, others aren't. It will be interesting
to see what happens in both.
Post by Chrysi Cat
And of course if _not even_ the lockdown keeps transmission down,
they'll ask why we shut down the economy when 20 percent of seniors and
1% of all others were just going to die no matter what.
If in fact 20 percent of seniors and 1% of all others die. What we
know is percentages of diagnosed cases, what we don't know is what
percentage of all cases that constitutes.
Post by Chrysi Cat
So it's very much "lose-lose" for us, and the odds of your bet, Mr.
Pseudonym, being a winner are low enough that it's not worth letting
them place it.
So far, worldwide, this horrible pandemic has killed about as many
people as die in two days in the US.

Note that I'm one of the seniors 20% of whom according to the
doomsayers are going to die. Many if not most of us are happy to take
our chances--life's too short to hide in a cave hoping that the boogey
man won't attack us.
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-22 23:55:22 UTC
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Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
J. Clarke
2020-03-23 00:12:36 UTC
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Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
Alan Baker
2020-03-23 00:31:09 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
And only 4 thousands of a percent of the people on the planet are immune
to this new "mutated cold".

THAT's why it's such a threat.
h***@gmail.com
2020-03-23 00:46:14 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
your understanding of classification sucks.
Colds are a groupling of a whole lot of different illnesses based on symptoms
Coronaviruses are responsible for about 20% of colds, there are other classifications of viruses responsible for the rest

Covid-19 has a significant death rate that colds don't have.

Do you eat any pufferfish because it's just a mutated northern puffer which is not poisonous and is a delicacy?
Titus G
2020-03-23 01:14:11 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
When you get right down to it, beheading is just a mutated shaving cut.
Alan Baker
2020-03-23 01:27:33 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic.  The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it?  When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
When you get right down to it, beheading is just a mutated shaving cut.
OK... ...funnier than mine; much funnier.

;-)
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-23 09:13:08 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
J. Clarke
2020-03-23 22:38:09 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
Alan Baker
2020-03-23 23:09:24 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
Because it happens to be a coronavirus doesn't make it a "mutated cold",
but that's not the real point.

Calling it a "mutated cold" is minimizing the risk it poses.

No one is immune to this "mutated cold" and it is DEADLY to a lot of
people who get it.
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-24 01:14:05 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
J. Clarke
2020-03-24 01:59:23 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
Paul S Person
2020-03-24 16:40:12 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
And how do we /know/ that?

How do we know that it is not a member of a /closely related/ family
that we can not, at present, distinguish from those that cause colds?

Reality or our own limitations: who can say?
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
J. Clarke
2020-03-24 20:54:04 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
And how do we /know/ that?
How do we know that it is not a member of a /closely related/ family
that we can not, at present, distinguish from those that cause colds?
Reality or our own limitations: who can say?
Fine, you deny taxonomy.
Alan Baker
2020-03-24 21:08:52 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 21:59:23 -0400, J. Clarke
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:14:05 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:13:08 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
And how do we /know/ that?
How do we know that it is not a member of a /closely related/ family
that we can not, at present, distinguish from those that cause colds?
Reality or our own limitations: who can say?
Fine, you deny taxonomy.
Nope. That is NOT what he said.

What he's saying is that it is far from clear that WHAT WE CURRENTLY
KNOW about this particular coronavirus is enough to say definitively
that it is still so closely related to the coronaviruses that cause
colds that we can extrapolate its traits, properties and behaviours
(etc.) by looking at what those cold viruses traits, properties and
behaviours (etc.) are.

The reasonably intelligent in the room didn't need this spelled out.
Paul S Person
2020-03-25 16:55:45 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
And how do we /know/ that?
How do we know that it is not a member of a /closely related/ family
that we can not, at present, distinguish from those that cause colds?
Reality or our own limitations: who can say?
Fine, you deny taxonomy.
Taxonomy is done by people.

And people are fallible.

Deriving inferences from taxonomy is a not entirely reliable
procedure.

Scientifically, of course, deriving inferences from taxonomy and then
/checking to see if they are wrong/ is a perfectly fine idea.

A crude example, easily dismissed:

Birds fly.
Chickens are birds.
Therefore, chickens fly.

But it is the same as the argument here:

Coronoviruses cause colds.
COVID-19 is a coronavirus.
Therefore, COVID-19 causes a cold.

Have a nice day!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
h***@gmail.com
2020-03-26 05:49:53 UTC
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Deriving inferences from taxonomy is a not entirely reliable
procedure.
Scientifically, of course, deriving inferences from taxonomy and then
/checking to see if they are wrong/ is a perfectly fine idea.
Birds fly.
Chickens are birds.
Therefore, chickens fly.
Chickens do fly


Penguins, emus, ostriches, kiwis etc are much better examples.
Titus G
2020-03-26 06:44:40 UTC
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Chickens do fly
http://youtu.be/idDtTGEbyGA
Penguins, emus, ostriches, kiwis etc are much better examples.
Our family home had a stinking chicken yard and shed at the very bottom
of the yard. The neighbours behind our stinking chicken yard and shed
had a stinking chicken yard and shed backed to on to ours and the only
time they were entered was to collect eggs and feed them, select dinner
or trim their wings.
Kevrob
2020-03-26 13:53:07 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
And how do we /know/ that?
How do we know that it is not a member of a /closely related/ family
that we can not, at present, distinguish from those that cause colds?
Reality or our own limitations: who can say?
Fine, you deny taxonomy.
Taxonomy is done by people.
And people are fallible.
Deriving inferences from taxonomy is a not entirely reliable
procedure.
Scientifically, of course, deriving inferences from taxonomy and then
/checking to see if they are wrong/ is a perfectly fine idea.
Birds fly.
Chickens are birds.
Therefore, chickens fly.
Some do, at least a little bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_jungle_fowl

Flight has been bred out of domestic versions.
It's the same with wild v domestic turkeys.
Post by Paul S Person
Coronoviruses cause colds.
COVID-19 is a coronavirus.
Therefore, COVID-19 causes a cold.
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Robert Carnegie
2020-03-24 21:41:46 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
I got this wrong, I admit. In fact there is no such
thing as "a mutated cold".

The virus is one thing; the disease it causes
is a separate thing.

This virus is related to animal viruses more than
it's related to human viruses.

"Coronavirus" describes what shape its covering is.
Not what is inside the covering.

The various diseases and degrees of disease that
it causes are not a cold.
J. Clarke
2020-03-24 23:27:12 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
I got this wrong, I admit. In fact there is no such
thing as "a mutated cold".
The virus is one thing; the disease it causes
is a separate thing.
This virus is related to animal viruses more than
it's related to human viruses.
This virus is related to other coronaviruses more than it's related to
other kinds of virus.
Post by Robert Carnegie
"Coronavirus" describes what shape its covering is.
Not what is inside the covering.
The covering is what makes the thing work. It is not decor, it is a
weapon and very much a part of the whole.
Post by Robert Carnegie
The various diseases and degrees of disease that
it causes are not a cold.
Of course it is. Many people have been infected and not gotten more
than the sniffles. Some have never shown any symptoms at all. So
would they, if they had not been informed that they had been infected
with it, say that "I suffered from the deadly coronavirus" or would
they say "I had a cold"?
Alan Baker
2020-03-24 23:31:39 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
I got this wrong, I admit. In fact there is no such
thing as "a mutated cold".
The virus is one thing; the disease it causes
is a separate thing.
This virus is related to animal viruses more than
it's related to human viruses.
This virus is related to other coronaviruses more than it's related to
other kinds of virus.
You're a virologist, are you?
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Post by Robert Carnegie
"Coronavirus" describes what shape its covering is.
Not what is inside the covering.
The covering is what makes the thing work. It is not decor, it is a
weapon and very much a part of the whole.
Post by Robert Carnegie
The various diseases and degrees of disease that
it causes are not a cold.
Of course it is. Many people have been infected and not gotten more
than the sniffles. Some have never shown any symptoms at all. So
would they, if they had not been informed that they had been infected
with it, say that "I suffered from the deadly coronavirus" or would
they say "I had a cold"?
How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?

I bet not.
Robert Woodward
2020-03-25 04:58:46 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
I got this wrong, I admit. In fact there is no such
thing as "a mutated cold".
The virus is one thing; the disease it causes
is a separate thing.
This virus is related to animal viruses more than
it's related to human viruses.
This virus is related to other coronaviruses more than it's related to
other kinds of virus.
You're a virologist, are you?
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Post by Robert Carnegie
"Coronavirus" describes what shape its covering is.
Not what is inside the covering.
The covering is what makes the thing work. It is not decor, it is a
weapon and very much a part of the whole.
Post by Robert Carnegie
The various diseases and degrees of disease that
it causes are not a cold.
Of course it is. Many people have been infected and not gotten more
than the sniffles. Some have never shown any symptoms at all. So
would they, if they had not been informed that they had been infected
with it, say that "I suffered from the deadly coronavirus" or would
they say "I had a cold"?
How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?
I bet not.
I don't have a source, but I suspect that Germany and the Nordic
countries have plenty of examples because of their rather low ratios of
deaths to infected individuals.
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"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Alan Baker
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
I got this wrong, I admit. In fact there is no such
thing as "a mutated cold".
The virus is one thing; the disease it causes
is a separate thing.
This virus is related to animal viruses more than
it's related to human viruses.
This virus is related to other coronaviruses more than it's related to
other kinds of virus.
You're a virologist, are you?
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Robert Carnegie
"Coronavirus" describes what shape its covering is.
Not what is inside the covering.
The covering is what makes the thing work. It is not decor, it is a
weapon and very much a part of the whole.
Post by Robert Carnegie
The various diseases and degrees of disease that
it causes are not a cold.
Of course it is. Many people have been infected and not gotten more
than the sniffles. Some have never shown any symptoms at all. So
would they, if they had not been informed that they had been infected
with it, say that "I suffered from the deadly coronavirus" or would
they say "I had a cold"?
How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?
I bet not.
I don't have a source, but I suspect that Germany and the Nordic
countries have plenty of examples because of their rather low ratios of
deaths to infected individuals.
Again:

What scenario do you imagine for their testing that would be giving them
accurate figures on the number of people who are infected but not
showing "any symptoms at all"?

Do you have any source that they've been doing sufficient random testing
to get a handle on actual rates of infection?
J. Clarke
2020-03-25 11:44:02 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Has it? When you get right down to it "Coronavirus" is just a mutated
cold.
In bats or pangolins or whatever, it's a mutated cold.
For human beings, it's three Horsemen of the Apocalypse
out for a ride. (The Horseman of War is probably
self-isolating.)
For humans it's also a mutated cold. There are a number of
coronaviruses that cause colds.
I believe that number is two. This is coronavirus
number... four or five, and it does not cause a cold.
That number is four. It is still the same family of virus. That it
causes something more severe doesn't make it any less a mutated cold.
I got this wrong, I admit. In fact there is no such
thing as "a mutated cold".
The virus is one thing; the disease it causes
is a separate thing.
This virus is related to animal viruses more than
it's related to human viruses.
This virus is related to other coronaviruses more than it's related to
other kinds of virus.
You're a virologist, are you?
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Robert Carnegie
"Coronavirus" describes what shape its covering is.
Not what is inside the covering.
The covering is what makes the thing work. It is not decor, it is a
weapon and very much a part of the whole.
Post by Robert Carnegie
The various diseases and degrees of disease that
it causes are not a cold.
Of course it is. Many people have been infected and not gotten more
than the sniffles. Some have never shown any symptoms at all. So
would they, if they had not been informed that they had been infected
with it, say that "I suffered from the deadly coronavirus" or would
they say "I had a cold"?
How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?
I bet not.
I don't have a source, but I suspect that Germany and the Nordic
countries have plenty of examples because of their rather low ratios of
deaths to infected individuals.
Anybody who actually pays attention to the news should be aware that
many people are infected and do not show symptoms.

Here's an article from "Nature":
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00822-x>

Here's New England Journal of Medicine:
<https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468>

If you don't like those, google "coronavirus asymptomatic
transmission" and you should get more than a million hits to pick
from.
Leif Roar Moldskred
2020-03-25 07:19:27 UTC
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How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?
I bet not.
Testing done in Iceland and in the Italian villag of Vo indicates that
somewhere north of 50% of the people infected by COVID-19 are asymptomatic
or quasisymptomatic

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/eradicated-coronavirus-mass-testing-covid-19-italy-vo
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/coronavirus-testing-iceland
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Leif Roar Moldskred
Thomas Koenig
2020-04-04 16:49:33 UTC
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How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?
I have an example in my family - a cousin of mine was tested positive.
She has since recovered without showing any symptoms of a cold; without
the test, she would never have known.

The only symptom she displayed was that she lost her sense of taste
for a few days (which seems to be quite common).
Alan Baker
2020-04-04 16:55:39 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you
have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were
completely without symptoms?
I have an example in my family - a cousin of mine was tested positive.
She has since recovered without showing any symptoms of a cold; without
the test, she would never have known.
The only symptom she displayed was that she lost her sense of taste
for a few days (which seems to be quite common).
See... ...this is why I don't snip.

The conversation was about J. Clarke trying to suggest that this was
much less serious a problem because of the NUMBER of people HE claims
have had it and had few or no symptoms at all.
Post by Thomas Koenig
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Of course it is. Many people have been infected and not gotten more
than the sniffles. Some have never shown any symptoms at all. So
would they, if they had not been informed that they had been infected
with it, say that "I suffered from the deadly coronavirus" or would
they say "I had a cold"?
How do you KNOW that "some have never shown any symptoms at all"? Do you have a source for the number of people who tested positive who were completely without symptoms?
I bet not.
So the fact that anecdotally, you can point to a cousin changes nothing.

I was never denying that some number of people might get it without
serious consequences.

I was arguing that before we can treat it likes it's not serious, we
need to be SURE it's not serious.

Because if we're wrong about that, then MILLIONS could die who don't
have to.

Lynn McGuire
2020-03-23 02:17:45 UTC
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Common cold is endemic. The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Several Star Trek episodes and the "Feed" book would argue that
conclusion is incorrect.

Lynn
Titus G
2020-03-23 03:10:55 UTC
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Common cold is endemic.  The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Several Star Trek episodes and the "Feed" book would argue that
conclusion is incorrect.
Lynn
Fricking health departments, WHO, doctors, scientists, all think they
know everything. Personally, I'm waiting for Baker's opinion before I
decide whose face to cough into accidentally.
Alan Baker
2020-03-23 03:12:31 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Common cold is endemic.  The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Several Star Trek episodes and the "Feed" book would argue that
conclusion is incorrect.
Lynn
Fricking health departments, WHO, doctors, scientists, all think they
know everything. Personally, I'm waiting for Baker's opinion before I
decide whose face to cough into accidentally.
Unlike you (and a whole range of others) I don't spout off about things
I don't know.
Titus G
2020-03-23 04:35:19 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Common cold is endemic.  The difference is that it's got
as bad as it's going to.
Several Star Trek episodes and the "Feed" book would argue that
conclusion is incorrect.
Lynn
Fricking health departments, WHO, doctors, scientists, all think they
know everything. Personally, I'm waiting for Baker's opinion before I
decide whose face to cough into accidentally.
Unlike you (and a whole range of others) I don't spout off about things
I don't know.
I confess I know amazingly little about Star Trek and absolutely nothing
about the "Feed" book, so, fair cop. (I don't even know a whole range of
others like me!)
But you must have an opinion. In the above example, would you trust
fricking health departments, WHO, doctors and scientists or Dimwire?
Think about it for a while if you need to as I am in no hurry for an
answer. Here, in Aotearoa, we are all in 2 metre isolation and cabin
fever is setting in already.
Titus G
2020-03-23 01:19:46 UTC
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So far, worldwide, this horrible pandemic has killed about as many
people as die in two days in the US.
If there is lock down and isolation, then you won't be able to shoot
each other and run each other over so the two day death toll will drop
to just those overdosing on prescription drugs, those dying of boredom
and some old people.
Post by J. Clarke
Note that I'm one of the seniors 20% of whom according to the
doomsayers are going to die. Many if not most of us are happy to take
our chances--life's too short to hide in a cave hoping that the boogey
man won't attack us.
Yes. Best wishes.
Kevrob
2020-03-23 08:27:09 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
So far, worldwide, this horrible pandemic has killed about as many
people as die in two days in the US.
If there is lock down and isolation, then you won't be able to shoot
each other and run each other over so the two day death toll will drop
to just those overdosing on prescription drugs, those dying of boredom
and some old people.
Post by J. Clarke
Note that I'm one of the seniors 20% of whom according to the
doomsayers are going to die. Many if not most of us are happy to take
our chances--life's too short to hide in a cave hoping that the boogey
man won't attack us.
Yes. Best wishes.
Don't forget the folks in "lockdown" using the opportunity to
do spring housecleaning and spring yard cleanup out here in the
`burbs. Given the hordes descending on the "transfer station" -
what we used to call "the dump" - with pickup trucks full of
obsolete electronics, damaged furniture, branches trimmed from
various flora, bagged leaves and lawn clippings, I expect reports
of strained backs, heart attacks and the inevitable victims of
chainsaw accidents. We are getting snow tomorrow, and if one
has to stay home and "enjoy" one's furlough, or can telecommute,
there is no real reason to bother shoveling the driveway as it
ought to warm up quickly, turn to rain and melt. But the "must
have immaculate driveway" bunch will be out shoveling, and that
always takes out a few guys in my demographic, if not from heart
attacks, then from slips-and-falls. With any luck the half inch
we are threatened with will be all liquid.

I'm going to sty in and roast a 10-lb chicken I have marinating.

Kevin R
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-23 23:17:29 UTC
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So far, worldwide, this horrible pandemic has killed about as many
people as die in two days in the US.
If there is lock down and isolation, then you won't be able to shoot
each other and run each other over so the two day death toll will drop
to just those overdosing on prescription drugs, those dying of boredom
and some old people.
Post by J. Clarke
Note that I'm one of the seniors 20% of whom according to the
doomsayers are going to die. Many if not most of us are happy to take
our chances--life's too short to hide in a cave hoping that the boogey
man won't attack us.
Yes. Best wishes.
Don't forget the folks in "lockdown" using the opportunity to
do spring housecleaning and spring yard cleanup out here in the
`burbs. Given the hordes descending on the "transfer station" -
what we used to call "the dump" - with pickup trucks full of
obsolete electronics, damaged furniture, branches trimmed from
various flora, bagged leaves and lawn clippings, I expect reports
of strained backs, heart attacks and the inevitable victims of
chainsaw accidents. We are getting snow tomorrow, and if one
has to stay home and "enjoy" one's furlough, or can telecommute,
there is no real reason to bother shoveling the driveway as it
ought to warm up quickly, turn to rain and melt. But the "must
have immaculate driveway" bunch will be out shoveling, and that
always takes out a few guys in my demographic, if not from heart
attacks, then from slips-and-falls. With any luck the half inch
we are threatened with will be all liquid.
I'm going to sty in and roast a 10-lb chicken I have marinating.
Kevin R
Are you sure that is not a small turkey ?

Lynn
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2020-03-24 02:04:01 UTC
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I'm going to sty in and roast a 10-lb chicken I have marinating.
Are you sure that is not a small turkey ?
Correction. It is a 7 lb turkey that cost me ~$10.00.

It roasted up beautifully, and is now in the fridge,
to be carved up for several meals, including home-made
soup. I made stock from scratch the other day. I'll put
the ingredients in the crockpot tomorrow morning.

"What’s for dinner? Depends what’s in the
fridge and pantry"

By ELIZABETH KARMEL

https://apnews.com/365c292ea1c7fd80dfa2633d3235d1a7

Kevin R
Kevrob
2020-03-26 13:47:39 UTC
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Correction. It is a 7 lb /t/u/r/k/e/y/ chicken that cost me ~$10.00.
It roasted up beautifully, and is now in the fridge,
to be carved up for several meals, including home-made
soup. I made stock from scratch the other day. I'll put
the ingredients in the crockpot tomorrow morning.
The soup is lovely and thick, so one might call it stew.
Dilute it with more stock before reheating and it veers towards
the soup end of the continuum. I did that yesterday for lunch,
adding some leftover brown rice.

This social distancing is going to make me fat(ter.) I'm
eating to good after stocking up, and I'm not getting nearly
enough exercise. Sun's out. I should take a walk, later,
even if only around the yard.

--
Kevin R
a.a #2310
William Hyde
2020-03-22 21:00:15 UTC
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It's still unknown how much warmer weather will slow the spread. Some recent studies argue for a 20% slowing in warm humid weather. If so, those summer peaks will be smaller. Also, as the article points out, the base transmissivity is not terribly well known. That factors into the confidence intervals.
It's still warm here in the Southern Hemisphere, my state - Victoria -
is going into lock-down on Tuesday, if you're counting on the weather to
flatten the curve, you're fucked.
The proposed weakening is only twenty percent.
that would indeed lower the peak, but is not something that will end the pandemic in itself. Precautionary measures would still be recommended.

A contrary study does cite Australia as a counterexample.

And of course, this is a preliminary result. The effect might in the end turn out to be weaker, stronger, or nonexistent.


William Hyde
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-19 23:20:45 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
nda takes the time to explain their store’s processes as they become relevant to the story.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Lynn McGuire
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
How about because they're not growing at a ferocious rate.
Deaths from COVID-19 are doubling about every 7 days at the moment.
Presumably there's a limit there, though. If only because once everyone is
dead, they're likely to be very resistant to re-infection. And really,
there's got to be point where the survivors are scattered enough to stop
passing on the disease.
ObSF: Earth Abides.
I misread and was going to say people could catch
it more than once. Which I stand by, but they
probably won't die from it more than once.
If you don't count temporary death like in
_Flatliners_ (yecch).

Humans might reproduce faster than the disease
does, but not to have twice as many people
each day compared to the day before. Unless
there is surprising progress in 3D printers.
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 22:42:10 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
Can we use your keyboard ? My 1991 ? Northgate Omni Key/102 Gold has a
ten lb metal plate in it.


Lynn
J. Clarke
2020-03-19 23:22:35 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
Can we use your keyboard ? My 1991 ? Northgate Omni Key/102 Gold has a
ten lb metal plate in it.
http://youtu.be/UxgmyKtNKvI
I used to have two Northgate keyboards given to me personally by Art
Lazare. I have long since tossed both of them. The keys were OK but
the cable attachment just plain sucked. If you're going to have a
removable connection on a keyboard put some kind of retention on it.
Post by Lynn McGuire
Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-19 23:47:03 UTC
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On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:42:10 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by J. Clarke
On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:01:11 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 19, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 235,404, an increase of 23,551 from 211,853
yesterday
Worldwide Total Deaths 9,785, an increase of 1,061 from 8,724 yesterday
USA Total Confirmed 10,755, an increase of 3,432 from 7,323 yesterday
USA Total Deaths 154, an increase of 39 from 115 yesterday
http://drudgereport.com/
Does being bashed over the head with their keyboard for continuing to
post off-topic gloom and doom after having been politely asked not to
count as a Coronavirus death?
It isn't like you're posting obscure information.
And why aren't you also posting the total deaths from all causes in
the same timeframe?
Can we use your keyboard ? My 1991 ? Northgate Omni Key/102 Gold has a
ten lb metal plate in it.
http://youtu.be/UxgmyKtNKvI
I used to have two Northgate keyboards given to me personally by Art
Lazare. I have long since tossed both of them. The keys were OK but
the cable attachment just plain sucked. If you're going to have a
removable connection on a keyboard put some kind of retention on it.
Post by Lynn McGuire
Lynn
My keyboard attachment is hard wired. The Omni Key/102 Gold is the best
that they made.

Lynn
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