Discussion:
Coronavirus COVID-19 (JHU) on March 17, 2020
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Lynn McGuire
2020-03-17 18:37:07 UTC
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“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems Science and
Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University (JHU)” on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from 179,103
yesterday

Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday

USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138 yesterday

USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday

Hat tip to:
http://drudgereport.com/

Lynn
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-03-17 21:55:31 UTC
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“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)” on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-17 22:20:17 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)” on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.

http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html

Lynn
Scott Lurndal
2020-03-17 23:12:02 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.
And your expertise in identifying a pandemic is what, exactly?
Quadibloc
2020-03-18 00:07:38 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
It certainly is true that, so far, the death toll is much lower than from the
current mild flu season. So why is this considered as more serious?

Well, of course, people got flu shots *before the flu season started*. (Actually
the vaccine was late this season, so that's not quite true.) So it's not a new
idea to prepare for things before they happen.

Here's a news article about what has been going on in Italy:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/coronavirus-italy-1.5498650

Infectious diseases spread. So even if a few people are sick today, many people
could be sick tomorrow, or next week. We judge how dangerous a particular virus
is, therefore, by what it is capable of doing if nothing is done to stop it from
spreading.

Well, what it *has done* in Italy must be within its capabilities.

People in their 20s made so sick that they need extensive medical assistance to
survive. Old people being left to die, because there aren't enough respirators
to go around.

John Savard
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-03-18 00:35:05 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)” on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
A pandemic is, officially, one that is infecting all the
continents on this planet.

The way they redefined Pluto as not a planet, in spite of our all
having grown up with it as planet nine.

It's all in the terminology.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Post by Lynn McGuire
Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-18 01:05:45 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)” on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
A pandemic is, officially, one that is infecting all the
continents on this planet.
The way they redefined Pluto as not a planet, in spite of our all
having grown up with it as planet nine.
It's all in the terminology.
So if one person on each continent is infected (a total of 7 people),
that would be considered a pandemic ? That seems a little loosey. I
would consider an infection rate of 0.1% of the worlds population to be
a much better indicator. Even 0.01%. 200,000 out of 8,000,000,000 is
just 0.0025%.

BTW, there is nobody infected on Antarctica with the KungFlu. That we
know of.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Lynn
J. Clarke
2020-03-18 01:11:50 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:05:45 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
A pandemic is, officially, one that is infecting all the
continents on this planet.
The way they redefined Pluto as not a planet, in spite of our all
having grown up with it as planet nine.
It's all in the terminology.
So if one person on each continent is infected (a total of 7 people),
that would be considered a pandemic ? That seems a little loosey. I
would consider an infection rate of 0.1% of the worlds population to be
a much better indicator. Even 0.01%. 200,000 out of 8,000,000,000 is
just 0.0025%.
How about if the 0.01% is all in the same town in China?
Post by Lynn McGuire
BTW, there is nobody infected on Antarctica with the KungFlu. That we
know of.
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Lynn
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-18 02:20:10 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)†on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
A pandemic is, officially, one that is infecting all the
continents on this planet.
The way they redefined Pluto as not a planet, in spite of our all
having grown up with it as planet nine.
It's all in the terminology.
Atlantis is gone, ma'am. I'm sorry, but there it is.
Or it isn't.

Setting aside the question of /known/ continents,
and people who live on something smaller anyway,
<https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-outbreak-who-pandemic>
goes,
"Epidemics are large outbreaks of a new disease
confined to a specific region, such as in the early
days of COVID-19 when cases were largely centered in
China. An epidemic becomes a pandemic when multiple
outbreaks persist on multiple continents, sustained
by widespread human-to-human transmission that can’t
be traced back to the country where the outbreak
began (SN: 2/25/20)."

It stops being just an "outbreak" when there are
people who don't know how they got it. Loosely put.

And they don't always run in one geographical
"country". "Continent" is fairly solid, though.

Basically you can escape an epidemic by going to
somewhere it isn't, but when people who have got it
do that /and/ they aren't caught then it's a pandemic.

That's for a new, growing disease, that is everywhere
but has not yet affected everyone. When it is no longer
growing because essentially it /has/ affected pretty
much everyone, it's "endemic".

Loosely, "pandemic" means "stop worrying about
the disease immigrating; it has", but it can still
be useful to stop more people from bringing it in.

The plan everywhere now seems to be to do what
China did: close down. There is not confidence
that that will work everywhere. A warmer season
may make a difference too, but probably not to
stop it. (It occurs to me that hot countries
where it's going around may have at least some
places with air-conditioning, cool oases of
disease transmission.)

And after it's over, a vaccine?
Quadibloc
2020-03-18 02:36:46 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
And after it's over, a vaccine?
Need brooks no delay, but late is better than never - J. R. R. Tolkien

A vaccine would be good even after numbers start to decline, because once people
emerge from hiding, there's always the chance it could come back to sweep through
all those people who didn't get it the first time.

And while a vaccine will take a while, there's no guarantee this *will* be over
by then.

John Savard
h***@gmail.com
2020-03-18 02:34:46 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)†on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
It's not a post-apocalypse book for you to cream yourself over Lynn.
Pandemic has a particular meaning and it meets the criteria according to experts in the field.
Paul S Person
2020-03-18 17:28:55 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 17:20:17 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me. A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER. An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Obesity doesn't look to me like an epidemic, yet it has been called
that for, what, 30 year now?

There was a post reporting the rate of infection doubling every 3
days. If you start with 1 case, how many days (x3) will it take for
the total number of infected persons to reach some ludicrous number,
such as 536,870,912?

Answer: 87 days

Less than 3 months.

We can't actually get there, of course (not enough people), but the
path to that point should be plain.

And /that/ is what the people whose /job/ it is to plan for
catastrophes (as opposed to assure everyone that everything is fine)
are responding to.

Are, in fact, /paid/ to respond to, and to the worst possible
scenario.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2020-03-18 19:36:10 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)” on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
passing day:

<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>

That's now doubling in less than three days.
Paul S Person
2020-03-19 17:06:45 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079
yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.

What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.

That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.

Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2020-03-19 17:10:16 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.
What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.
That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.
Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
True.

And it's undoubtedly showing as increasing faster than it is...

...because at least two months late, the US is finally starting to test
people.

But I guess enriching a medical equipment company he held shares in (by
insisting on the development of a new test which would require that
company's equipment) was more important that actually responding quickly
to what he now claims he knew was a pandemic all along.
Paul S Person
2020-03-20 16:35:16 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.
What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.
That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.
Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
True.
And it's undoubtedly showing as increasing faster than it is...
...because at least two months late, the US is finally starting to test
people.
But I guess enriching a medical equipment company he held shares in (by
insisting on the development of a new test which would require that
company's equipment) was more important that actually responding quickly
to what he now claims he knew was a pandemic all along.
Interestingly, China appears to also be trying to rewrite the
narrative.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2020-03-20 17:48:38 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138 yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.
What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.
That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.
Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
True.
And it's undoubtedly showing as increasing faster than it is...
...because at least two months late, the US is finally starting to test
people.
But I guess enriching a medical equipment company he held shares in (by
insisting on the development of a new test which would require that
company's equipment) was more important that actually responding quickly
to what he now claims he knew was a pandemic all along.
Interestingly, China appears to also be trying to rewrite the
narrative.
What news? Got a link I should read?
Paul S Person
2020-03-21 17:05:28 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138 yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.
What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.
That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.
Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
True.
And it's undoubtedly showing as increasing faster than it is...
...because at least two months late, the US is finally starting to test
people.
But I guess enriching a medical equipment company he held shares in (by
insisting on the development of a new test which would require that
company's equipment) was more important that actually responding quickly
to what he now claims he knew was a pandemic all along.
Interestingly, China appears to also be trying to rewrite the
narrative.
What news? Got a link I should read?
I don't recall where I read it originally, and it may have been
exaggerated. However,
https://www.afr.com/world/asia/china-changes-virus-narrative-in-bid-to-salvage-soft-power-20200309-p5487u
does provide some of the background.

I also recall seeing, somewhere, a list of non-human viruses which
affected poultry and pig production in China, resulting in massive
imports of pig and poultry products from the USA -- with COVID-19
neatly inserted.

The accepted timeline is that the Chinese Government tried to keep the
lid on the virus, even punishing a doctor for speaking out, before it
was forced by events to shut down a major province. Which worked, so
far as the rest of the world can tell. At least they have sent doctors
and equipment to Italy. The doctors, it appears, are currently
chastising their colleagues for not locking Italy down completely.
Apparently, people are still gathering in houses for dinners and
parties.

The /revised/ story is that of a the Chinese People valiantly
defeating a biological attack from the Running Dogs of Capitalism. It
may not be presented in quite those terms, but the essense is that it
didn't arise in China but was introduced and that they did not hide it
but made heroic efforts to defeat it. All to the glory, of course, of
their man-in-charge.

The link doesn't cover all of that, but does cover parts of it.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2020-03-21 21:00:36 UTC
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“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138 yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.
What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.
That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.
Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
True.
And it's undoubtedly showing as increasing faster than it is...
...because at least two months late, the US is finally starting to test
people.
But I guess enriching a medical equipment company he held shares in (by
insisting on the development of a new test which would require that
company's equipment) was more important that actually responding quickly
to what he now claims he knew was a pandemic all along.
Interestingly, China appears to also be trying to rewrite the
narrative.
What news? Got a link I should read?
I don't recall where I read it originally, and it may have been
exaggerated. However,
https://www.afr.com/world/asia/china-changes-virus-narrative-in-bid-to-salvage-soft-power-20200309-p5487u
does provide some of the background.
Thanks, I'll check it out.
Post by Paul S Person
I also recall seeing, somewhere, a list of non-human viruses which
affected poultry and pig production in China, resulting in massive
imports of pig and poultry products from the USA -- with COVID-19
neatly inserted.
The accepted timeline is that the Chinese Government tried to keep the
lid on the virus, even punishing a doctor for speaking out, before it
was forced by events to shut down a major province. Which worked, so
far as the rest of the world can tell. At least they have sent doctors
and equipment to Italy. The doctors, it appears, are currently
chastising their colleagues for not locking Italy down completely.
Apparently, people are still gathering in houses for dinners and
parties.
The /revised/ story is that of a the Chinese People valiantly
defeating a biological attack from the Running Dogs of Capitalism. It
may not be presented in quite those terms, but the essense is that it
didn't arise in China but was introduced and that they did not hide it
but made heroic efforts to defeat it. All to the glory, of course, of
their man-in-charge.
The link doesn't cover all of that, but does cover parts of it.
Chris Buckley
2020-03-19 19:47:09 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
“Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases by the Center for Systems
Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University
(JHU)� on March 17, 2020
     https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Worldwide Total Confirmed 190,694, an increase of 11,592 from
179,103 yesterday
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
Worldwide Total Deaths 7,519, an increase of 440 from 7,079 yesterday
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Confirmed 5702, an increase of 1,564 from 4,138
yesterday
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
USA Total Deaths 94, an increase of 23 from 71 yesterday
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
While tragic, this just does not look like a pandemic to me.  A pandemic
will have lines a mile long trying to get into the ER.  An ER doc in
Orange County thinks that they are coming though.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2020/03/you-really-have-no-idea.html
Lynn
Over 8,000 cases (and the days not done) and growing faster with every
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
That's now doubling in less than three days.
Well, /that's/ not good.
What we would /like/ to see is it slowing down.
To be honest, I absolutely wouldn't like the infection numbers to slow down
their increase.

Best estimates I saw almost a week ago (Johns Hopkins) were between
50,000 and 500,000 currently infected in the US. We need to find a
much greater percentage of the infected before we can hope to
significantly slow down the spread.
Post by Paul S Person
That, after all, is the point of all the restrictions.
Of course, as always, the devil is in the trustworthiness of the
source and the validity of the data.
Yes, the infected number increase tell us very little about the spread
of the disease, and more about how the number of daily tests is
increasing. That's going to be true for another couple of weeks, at least.

Chris
Paul S Person
2020-03-18 17:20:30 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:55:31 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<***@gmail.com> wrote:

<summary with snips>
<cases, worldwide>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
<deaths, worldwide>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
<cases, USA>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
<deaths, USA>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
So, /10 times the deaths/ from COVID19 as the flu would have caused
with the /same number of cases/.

Do the math, indeed!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
J. Clarke
2020-03-18 21:46:14 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 10:20:30 -0700, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 14:55:31 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
<summary with snips>
<cases, worldwide>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Two orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
<deaths, worldwide>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
One orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
<cases, USA>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
*Four* orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
<deaths, USA>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Three orders of magnitude lower than the flu in the US this season
(which is mild).
So, /10 times the deaths/ from COVID19 as the flu would have caused
with the /same number of cases/.
Same number of _reported_ cases. Reported cases when testing
materials are in short supply may not have a whole lot to do with the
actual number of persons infected.
Post by Paul S Person
Do the math, indeed!
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