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Alan Baker
2020-03-18 22:58:07 UTC
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Make that more than 9,000.

9,225 as of this moment.

<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>

Now doubling in just over two days.
a425couple
2020-03-19 17:19:54 UTC
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Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo! Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.

And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.

But meanwhile as to the Covid 19,

from
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/03/18/cuomo-know-whos-good-job-nys-covid-19-outbreak-trump/

Cuomo: You Know Who’s Doing A Good Job On NY’s COVID-19 Outbreak? Trump
ED MORRISSEYPosted at 1:31 pm on March 18, 2020

Perhaps this crisis might produce a better environment for cooperation
after all. This statement might have been seen as a simple
process-smoothing sop from Andrew Cuomo to Donald Trump, but Cuomo
sounds pretty sincere — and detailed in his praise. In his press
conference updating events on the COVID-19 outbreak, Cuomo emphasized
that he and Trump have always had a good working relationship, and that
Trump has been “fully engaged” in the coronavirus containment efforts in
New York.

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“We’re fighting the same war,” Cuomo said of Trump, and “we’re in the
same trench.” That’s quite a change of pace from the partisan bickering
of the past few weeks:

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York" and "very creative and energetic"
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Cuomo’s complimentary treatment of Trump has a solid factual basis too,
at least for Cuomo. The governor announced that New York has now
confirmed more than 2,000 cases of COVID-19 infection, the most of any
state, and that requires a more robust response. Trump has now ordered a
Navy hospital ship to go to New York City to provide more capacity for
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Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced there are now over 2,000 cases of
coronavirus in New York – the most in the country.

A total of 549 people are currently hospitalized – approximately 23
percent of the total number of cases. However, 108 confirmed coronavirus
cases have been discharged from hospitals since the start of the pandemic.

Gov. Cuomo stressed that the rate of the curve of the virus suggests
that in 45 days the state could need up to 110,000 beds. Currently,
there is a capacity of 53,000 beds in the state.

The White House announced today that the Army Corps of Engineers is
consulting with Cuomo on building out more hospital space, too, a key
concern for Cuomo. Small wonder, then, that Cuomo felt compelled to show
some grace — and thankfully, Cuomo decided to do so.

That wasn’t the only news out of Cuomo’s presser. While he offered
solicitous praise for Trump, Cuomo at least indirectly rebuked New York
City mayor Bill de Blasio for his suggestion of a total lockdown.
“That’s not going to happen,” Cuomo declared:

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo rejected the notion that New York City
could be facing a ‘Shelter-in-place’ order on Wednesday, contradicting a
warning from Mayor Bill de Blasio that residents should prepare for one.

“That is not going to happen, shelter in place, for New York City,” said
Cuomo on a Wednesday morning podcast. “For any city or county to take an
emergency action, the state has to approve it. And I wouldn’t approve
shelter in place.” …

De Blasio’s preparation warning on Tuesday followed an announcement that
New York City would be testing 5,000 residents for the COVID-19 Wuhan
virus per day, while “highly prioritizing” those that should be tested.
De Blasio and Cuomo presented a united front when announcing the closure
of NYC schools until at least April 20, but Cuomo said a mandated
quarantine would be more of a problem than the spread of disease.

“Quarantine in place, you can’t leave your home…the fear, the panic is a
bigger problem than the virus,” Cuomo said during the Wednesday interview.

Clearly, Cuomo doesn’t have any trouble telling de Blasio that he’s not
in the same trench, so to speak, even if they’re fighting the same war.
That underscores the sincerity of Cuomo’s remarks about Trump, or at
least the graciousness involved in making them part of the public
record. If we can get more of that in both directions, perhaps our
social distancing now will result in more political cooperation down the
road.

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Alan Baker
2020-03-19 19:00:31 UTC
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Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
I'm glad you can admit he's a jerk... ...but he is also manifestly
unsuited for the job.

And that is GOING TO KILL people in your country.

<snip>
a425couple
2020-03-20 16:50:39 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy. Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.

Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
Alan Baker
2020-03-20 16:59:07 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.

Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
a425couple
2020-03-20 17:28:57 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.

Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.

So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.

And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
Wolffan
2020-03-20 17:42:44 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo! Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy. Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
She’s a figurehead, without any significant power.
Post by a425couple
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
Alan Baker
2020-03-20 17:47:30 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
She's a figurehead.
Post by a425couple
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
She's a figurehead.
Post by a425couple
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles.  Enjoy your monarchy.
No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Titus G
2020-03-20 21:07:34 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
She's a figurehead.
Post by a425couple
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
She's a figurehead.
Post by a425couple
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles.  Enjoy your monarchy.
No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Don't mention Whitlam.
Gary R. Schmidt
2020-03-21 09:41:18 UTC
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No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Don't mention Whitlam.
Sigh, she didn't do anything - the advice to her was that all she could
do was rubber stamp what John Kerr, the Governor-General of Oz at the
time, recommended. IOW, "Don't bother reading this, just tick the box."

So the government of the time got dismissed, subsequently things were
changed so that it can't happen quite that way again, but there are
still mechanisms in place which can be activated if a similar situation
arises.

At least our pseudo-democracy has mandatory voting, unlike some suckers'!

Cheers,
Gary B-)
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Kevrob
2020-03-21 13:37:46 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Don't mention Whitlam.
Sigh, she didn't do anything - the advice to her was that all she could
do was rubber stamp what John Kerr, the Governor-General of Oz at the
time, recommended. IOW, "Don't bother reading this, just tick the box."
So the government of the time got dismissed, subsequently things were
changed so that it can't happen quite that way again, but there are
still mechanisms in place which can be activated if a similar situation
arises.
At least our pseudo-democracy has mandatory voting, unlike some suckers'!
Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression? If a pols takes their seats
with "majorities" that would have been be considered pluralities had
everyone who had not turned out be treated as handing in a blank or
spoiled ballot, perhaps they might want to consider some humility when
declaring they have a "mandate?"

Kevin R
J. Clarke
2020-03-21 15:32:25 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Don't mention Whitlam.
Sigh, she didn't do anything - the advice to her was that all she could
do was rubber stamp what John Kerr, the Governor-General of Oz at the
time, recommended. IOW, "Don't bother reading this, just tick the box."
So the government of the time got dismissed, subsequently things were
changed so that it can't happen quite that way again, but there are
still mechanisms in place which can be activated if a similar situation
arises.
At least our pseudo-democracy has mandatory voting, unlike some suckers'!
Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression? If a pols takes their seats
with "majorities" that would have been be considered pluralities had
everyone who had not turned out be treated as handing in a blank or
spoiled ballot, perhaps they might want to consider some humility when
declaring they have a "mandate?"
Nahh, every politician who gets elected thinks he or she has a
"mandate" even if there was only one vote cast in the election that
one by their mother.
o***@gmail.com
2020-03-21 18:12:28 UTC
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Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression?
It isn't.

It could be........if the ballot contained

1. None of the above
2. I hate all these bastards, find someone decent.
3. Leave the office vacant.

....or in the case of initiatives:

1. Not only no....but HELL NO
Alan Baker
2020-03-21 21:34:23 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression?
It isn't.
It could be........if the ballot contained
1. None of the above
2. I hate all these bastards, find someone decent.
3. Leave the office vacant.
1. Not only no....but HELL NO
Except that you can vote "None of the above".

Just leave your ballot blank or even spoil it.
Kevrob
2020-03-22 03:21:07 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression?
It isn't.
It could be........if the ballot contained
1. None of the above
2. I hate all these bastards, find someone decent.
3. Leave the office vacant.
1. Not only no....but HELL NO
Except that you can vote "None of the above".
Just leave your ballot blank or even spoil it.
In the US, only Nevada has an "against all" option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_These_Candidates

Spoiled ballots, where I live, will be rejected by
the optical scanning machines in which the voter deposits
them. I will often write in a candidate, or write "None
of the above" in the write-in space, but that can take me
a while for a long ballot. I have no confidence that the
state tallies NOTA write-ins.

I'd rather have a ranked-choice system, proportional
representation - anything but first-past-the-post/no
run-off.

Kevin R
J. Clarke
2020-03-22 09:19:55 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression?
It isn't.
It could be........if the ballot contained
1. None of the above
2. I hate all these bastards, find someone decent.
3. Leave the office vacant.
1. Not only no....but HELL NO
Except that you can vote "None of the above".
Just leave your ballot blank or even spoil it.
In the US, only Nevada has an "against all" option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_These_Candidates
Interesting. But in Nevada it's just appeasement, when "None of the
these candidates" gets the most votes, those votes are just discarded.
Post by Kevrob
Spoiled ballots, where I live, will be rejected by
the optical scanning machines in which the voter deposits
them. I will often write in a candidate, or write "None
of the above" in the write-in space, but that can take me
a while for a long ballot. I have no confidence that the
state tallies NOTA write-ins.
I'd rather have a ranked-choice system, proportional
representation - anything but first-past-the-post/no
run-off.
William Hyde
2020-03-22 19:49:37 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Compulsory voting is promoted as a way to increase legitimacy, but
how legitimate is any coerced expression?
It isn't.
It could be........if the ballot contained
1. None of the above
2. I hate all these bastards, find someone decent.
3. Leave the office vacant.
1. Not only no....but HELL NO
Except that you can vote "None of the above".
Just leave your ballot blank or even spoil it.
In the US, only Nevada has an "against all" option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/None_of_These_Candidates
Spoiled ballots, where I live, will be rejected by
the optical scanning machines in which the voter deposits
them. I will often write in a candidate, or write "None
of the above" in the write-in space, but that can take me
a while for a long ballot. I have no confidence that the
state tallies NOTA write-ins.
I'd rather have a ranked-choice system, proportional
representation - anything but first-past-the-post/no
run-off.
I detest proportional representation. It is indeed a cure for the vote distortions of FPTP, but the cure is far worse than the disease.

PR means that the parties will finally achieve their dream of total control over their "elected" members. You are elected or not depending on where the party managers put you on the list. So you do what they say.

Backroom boys and girls already have far too much power. Under PR they'll have more. I've met some of these people. With one exception (pretty decent guy, actually) these are people I wouldn't shake hands with, even in disease-free world.

True, MPs in my country have lost most of their independence anyway - starting with WWI - but what shreds they retain are important, a constraint on just what parties can do (see for example Snow's
"The Corridors of Power" for the strength of a potential back-bench revolt).

I occasionally vote against my favored party when one of the opposition parties puts up a particularly good candidate. Having talented people who actually care about good government in parliament is important, whether they're conservative, liberal, or socialist. That would not be possible under PR.

I really don't think it is too hard for people to rank their choices. All of us can count to three.

And while it would never be allowed, I like your implied idea. If "none" takes first, a new election must be held, from which the previous candidates would be barred. And if "none" wins again and again, someone is bound to nominate a decent candidate.

Somewhat like the repeated elections of John Wilkes, it would be a message to the powers that be.

William Hyde
Juho Julkunen
2020-03-23 17:32:37 UTC
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I detest proportional representation. It is indeed a cure for the vote distortions of FPTP, but the cure is far worse than the disease.
PR means that the parties will finally achieve their dream of total
control over their "elected" members. You are elected or not depending
on where the party managers put you on the list.

Could you expand on this, please? Isn't that only the case with closed
list type of PR?
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o***@gmail.com
2020-03-23 18:38:23 UTC
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...hee,hee,hee...

Once again, someone is pretending that Canada has a constitution.
Alan Baker
2020-03-23 18:51:08 UTC
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...hee,hee,hee...
Once again, someone is pretending that Canada has a constitution.
How is a discussion of proportional representation by a Finn related to
what you just stated?

Or are you just too dim-witted to notice to which post you were replying?
William Hyde
2020-03-23 19:44:22 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
I detest proportional representation. It is indeed a cure for the vote distortions of FPTP, but the cure is far worse than the disease.
PR means that the parties will finally achieve their dream of total
control over their "elected" members. You are elected or not depending
on where the party managers put you on the list.
Could you expand on this, please? Isn't that only the case with closed
list type of PR?
Yes, I did tar everything with the same brush, didn't I? And I see that Finland has a very open list system. As far as I know it's working well.

I might find a very open list to be better than FPTP, especially in Canada where we have three significant parties - and soon perhaps four if the greens continue their rise.

Except that the advantages of a local member are significant. On many occasions I've known something about our local candidates which was relevant to how I voted. With one exception, I've never known anything about people running for office outside my local area (aside from press reports, that is).

I was a campaign agent for a green party candidate, for example, who was my sister's minister. I played backgammon with two other candidates for an unnamed party.

I've also spoken with our former minister of science, and with our former provincial MP. In casual meetings, not at conferences or political events.

Local knowledge, I think, has to get into the system.

There's also the question of the constituency office, which can be a crucial end-run around bureaucracy.

There is no perfect system, but a ranked ballot is simple, and does not affect the structure of voter/representative that has served us well.

William Hyde
Titus G
2020-03-21 21:03:14 UTC
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No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Don't mention Whitlam.
Sigh, she didn't do anything - the advice to her was that all she
could do was rubber stamp what John Kerr, the Governor-General of Oz
at the time, recommended. IOW, "Don't bother reading this, just
tick the box."
So she did do something, she interfered by making a decision by ticking
a box.
The powerless figurehead rubber stamped a decision made by the powerless
figurehead's powerless representative and the government got dismissed.
Wouldn't happen in Baker world ...ever. Not even once
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So the government of the time got dismissed, subsequently things
were changed so that it can't happen quite that way again, but there
are still mechanisms in place which can be activated if a similar
situation arises. snip
Alan Baker
2020-03-21 21:31:27 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
No, L: she's interfered not at all... ...ever. Not even once.
Don't mention Whitlam.
Sigh, she didn't do anything - the advice to her was that all she
could do was rubber stamp what John Kerr, the Governor-General of Oz
at the time, recommended.  IOW, "Don't bother reading this, just
tick the box."
So she did do something, she interfered by making a decision by ticking
a box.
Nope. Wrong.

If her only choice was to tick the box, then she did nothing.
Post by Titus G
The powerless figurehead rubber stamped a decision made by the powerless
figurehead's powerless representative and the government got dismissed.
Wouldn't happen in Baker world ...ever. Not even once
And Australian Governor-General, whose appointment was not the Queen's
choice, made a decision to dismiss the government based on their
inability to pass a bill of "supply"...

...as provided for in the Australian Constitution.

As the Queen's Private Secretary explained.

'As we understand the situation here, the Australian Constitution firmly
places the prerogative powers of the Crown in the hands of the
Governor-General as the representative of the Queen of Australia. The
only person competent to commission an Australian Prime Minister is the
Governor-General, and The Queen has no part in the decisions which the
Governor-General must take in accordance with the Constitution. Her
Majesty, as Queen of Australia, is watching events in Canberra with
close interest and attention, but it would not be proper for her to
intervene in person in matters which are so clearly placed within the
jurisdiction of the Governor-General by the Constitution Act.'

But don't let facts get in the way of anything you'd like to believe.
J. Clarke
2020-03-20 21:27:23 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
A head of state has little power. It is the head of government that
has the power. He is correct, she is a symbol. Would you be kind
enough to explain why you feel it necessary or appropriate to belabor
this point?
a425couple
2020-03-21 17:14:23 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:28:57 -0700, a425couple
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
A head of state has little power. It is the head of government that
has the power. He is correct, she is a symbol. Would you be kind
enough to explain why you feel it necessary or appropriate to belabor
this point?
So Alan Baker and J. Clarke both think giving
an oath of allegiance to someone is immaterial,
because they are only a figurehead, or have 'little power'.
And you think your Governor General has no power?

Do you suppose Harold Godwinson felt that, when he gave
his oath to Duke William II of Normandy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Godwinson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror

Back then, many powerful people felt an oath meant something.

I've given oaths a fair number of times, and organized
the ceremonies for it. Never has anyone felt it did not
matter. And I recall talking to a fellow LEO, a Canadian,
who felt very uneasy at giving his oath to a queen.

But meanwhile, I do not like Alan Baker regularly posting
so blatantly Off Topic in this group.
Especially since as a Canadian, it really is not his business.
And then many of his postings are not truthful.
Everybody really mocked POTUS Trump for stating his hunch,
but studies are repeatedly showing he was correct.
Just because he is a jerk, does not mean he is wrong on everything.

But more the relevancy,
from my current Sci-Fi reading
And the Rest is History (The Chronicles of St Mary's #8)
by Jodi Taylor
The oath has been given, and Harold is in a bit of a pickle.

You can click on the following:
https://books.google.com/books?id=xyjLDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT145&dq=%22In+our+game,+it%27s+always+tempting+to+play+%22what+If%22.%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTvMWM_6boAhXRu54KHYbmDOEQ6AEwAHoECAAQAg#v=onepage&q=%22In%20our%20game%2C%20it's%20always%20tempting%20to%20play%20%22what%20If%22.%22&f=false

Or go to Google, then Google Books, and enter:
"In our game, it's always tempting to play "what If"."
Alan Baker
2020-03-21 17:32:08 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:28:57 -0700, a425couple
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles.  Enjoy your monarchy.
A head of state has little power.  It is the head of government that
has the power.  He is correct, she is a symbol.  Would you be kind
enough to explain why you feel it necessary or appropriate to belabor
this point?
So Alan Baker and J. Clarke both think giving
an oath of allegiance to someone is immaterial,
because they are only a figurehead, or have 'little power'.
And you think your Governor General has no power?
Pretty much, yes.
Post by a425couple
Do you suppose Harold Godwinson felt that, when he gave
his oath to Duke William II of Normandy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Godwinson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror
How is what happened in 1066 relevant, here?
Post by a425couple
Back then, many powerful people felt an oath meant something.
I've given oaths a fair number of times, and organized
the ceremonies for it.  Never has anyone felt it did not
matter.  And I recall talking to a fellow LEO, a Canadian,
who felt very uneasy at giving his oath to a queen.
But meanwhile, I do not like Alan Baker regularly posting
so blatantly Off Topic in this group.
Then don't read them.
Post by a425couple
Especially since as a Canadian, it really is not his business.
A pandemic is everyone's business.
Post by a425couple
And then many of his postings are not truthful.
Bullshit.
Post by a425couple
Everybody really mocked POTUS Trump for stating his hunch,
but studies are repeatedly showing he was correct.
Which hunch:

The one where he said it would all blow away?

Or the one where he said he knew all along it was a pandemic?
Post by a425couple
Just because he is a jerk, does not mean he is wrong on everything.
True. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

He's a moron, and he's a self-centred, evil man.
Peter Trei
2020-03-21 18:44:53 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 10:28:57 -0700, a425couple
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
A head of state has little power. It is the head of government that
has the power. He is correct, she is a symbol. Would you be kind
enough to explain why you feel it necessary or appropriate to belabor
this point?
So Alan Baker and J. Clarke both think giving
an oath of allegiance to someone is immaterial,
because they are only a figurehead, or have 'little power'.
And you think your Governor General has no power?%20If%22.%22&f=false
You're confusing the map with the territory. Yes, on paper, in theory, Liz has vast power.
But if she told Ottawa to do something Canada really objected they would just tell her to
pound sand, and she couldn't do squat. That's what a figurehead is. It leads the ship, but
has zero say in where it goes. Look, for example, at how Rhodesia broke from Britain.

If she tried to lean on the UK governent, she'd be asked to abdicate. If she refused,
Parliament would remove her, and quite possibly abolish the monarchy.

Your continued insistence that she matters does not reflect well on you.

Pt
Jaimie Vandenbergh
2020-03-21 19:29:21 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
A head of state has little power. It is the head of government that
has the power. He is correct, she is a symbol. Would you be kind
enough to explain why you feel it necessary or appropriate to belabor
this point?
So Alan Baker and J. Clarke both think giving
an oath of allegiance to someone is immaterial,
because they are only a figurehead, or have 'little power'.
Who gives an oath of allegiance to the crown? Not the Brits. Not the
Canadians. Not the Aussies, not anyone else who still has a bit of the British
flag in their flag.

Americans give oaths of allegiance. It is odd behaviour for a nominally free
country.

Cheers - Jaimie
--
The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history.
-- Hegel
a425couple
2020-03-23 22:34:29 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
A head of state has little power. It is the head of government that
has the power. He is correct, she is a symbol. Would you be kind
enough to explain why you feel it necessary or appropriate to belabor
this point?
So Alan Baker and J. Clarke both think giving
an oath of allegiance to someone is immaterial,
because they are only a figurehead, or have 'little power'.
Who gives an oath of allegiance to the crown? Not the Brits. Not the
Canadians. Not the Aussies, not anyone else who still has a bit of the British
flag in their flag.
You are totally wrong.

Every Canadian Police Officer, member of the military, most of your
lawyers, every one of your prosecutors, all your judges,
all your elected officials, and your Prime Minister all
give an oath.

I, [name], do swear that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance
to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs
and Successors. So help me God.[3]

Now, if you insist, that since it is to what everyone considers
is only a figurehead, that everyone just bumps elbows and goes
'wink-wink' we really don't mean these words, that reflects on you.

I do not care for foundations built on shifting sand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Canada)
Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
Americans give oaths of allegiance. It is odd behaviour for a nominally free
country. Cheers - Jaimie
Yes. We give an oath to support our constitution and laws, and the
officials elected over us. Quite the basics of doing the job, that
one is to take.

Example for a police officer or chief:
I, ______________, solemnly swear that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the United States of America, the State of
Washington, ------- County and the City of ------, and that
I will serve them honestly and faithfully, and that I will obey
the orders of the officers appointed over me according to the law
and the rules and regulations of the Police Department, and that
I will uphold the Constitution of the United States, the State of
Washington, the laws of the State of Washington, ----- County
and the City of -------.
Chrysi Cat
2020-03-24 01:31:15 UTC
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Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
Americans give oaths of allegiance. It is odd behaviour for a
nominally free
country.       Cheers - Jaimie
Yes.  We give an oath to support our constitution and laws, and the
officials elected over us.  Quite the basics of doing the job, that
one is to take.
I, ______________, solemnly swear that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the United States of America, the State of
Washington, ------- County and the City of ------, and that
I will serve them honestly and faithfully, and that I will obey
the orders of the officers appointed over me according to the law
and the rules and regulations of the Police Department, and that
I will uphold the Constitution of the United States, the State of
 Washington, the laws of the State of Washington, ----- County
and the City of -------.
Well, pre-2017, anyway, that was the only oath.

There are plenty of anecdotes that suggest anyone hired to the Federal
government since then has also sworn an oath of allegiance to Donald
Trump [note: NOT to "the President"] specifically, and I'm not which one
is more likely to lead to imprisonment if violated.

In addition, it's said to come with a standard Trump Org non-disclosure
agreement.
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger.
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
o***@gmail.com
2020-03-24 02:44:45 UTC
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Well, pre-2017, anyway, that was the only oath.
There are plenty of anecdotes that suggest anyone hired to the Federal
government since then has also sworn an oath of allegiance to Donald
Trump [note: NOT to "the President"] specifically, and I'm not which one
is more likely to lead to imprisonment if violated.
In addition, it's said to come with a standard Trump Org non-disclosure
agreement.
.....woo-woo, tinfoil hat stuff.......and sometime sarcasm....
a425couple
2020-03-24 02:53:21 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
Americans give oaths of allegiance. It is odd behaviour for a nominally free
country.       Cheers - Jaimie
Yes.  We give an oath to support our constitution and laws, and the
officials elected over us.  Quite the basics of doing the job, that
one is to take.
I, ______________, solemnly swear that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the United States of America, the State of
Washington, ------- County and the City of ------, and that
I will serve them honestly and faithfully, and that I will obey
the orders of the officers appointed over me according to the law
and the rules and regulations of the Police Department, and that
I will uphold the Constitution of the United States, the State of
  Washington, the laws of the State of Washington, ----- County
and the City of -------.
Well, pre-2017, anyway, that was the only oath.
There are plenty of anecdotes that suggest anyone hired to the Federal
government since then has also sworn an oath of allegiance to Donald
Trump [note: NOT to "the President"] specifically, and I'm not which one
is more likely to lead to imprisonment if violated.
In addition, it's said to come with a standard Trump Org non-disclosure
agreement.
The above is false.

A Quora is the most easy cut and paste for a 2018 FBI Oath.

H. R. "Randy" Williamson, 20 yrs in U.S. Border Patrol,
Author of "Is There A supervisor In The Field"
Answered Jan 27, 2018

An individual, except the President, elected or appointed to an
office of honor or profit in the civil service or uniformed services,
shall take the following oath: “I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely,
without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I
will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which
I am about to enter. So help me God.” This section does not affect
other oaths required by law.
(Pub. L. 89–554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 424.)

When I was promoted to a Captain in the USMC, this
was my oath,
"I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and
defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to
the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully
discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.
So help me God.[1]"
Paul S Person
2020-03-24 17:36:33 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
Americans give oaths of allegiance. It is odd behaviour for a nominally free
country.       Cheers - Jaimie
Yes.  We give an oath to support our constitution and laws, and the
officials elected over us.  Quite the basics of doing the job, that
one is to take.
I, ______________, solemnly swear that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the United States of America, the State of
Washington, ------- County and the City of ------, and that
I will serve them honestly and faithfully, and that I will obey
the orders of the officers appointed over me according to the law
and the rules and regulations of the Police Department, and that
I will uphold the Constitution of the United States, the State of
 Washington, the laws of the State of Washington, ----- County
and the City of -------.
Well, pre-2017, anyway, that was the only oath.
There are plenty of anecdotes that suggest anyone hired to the Federal
government since then has also sworn an oath of allegiance to Donald
Trump [note: NOT to "the President"] specifically, and I'm not which one
is more likely to lead to imprisonment if violated.
In addition, it's said to come with a standard Trump Org non-disclosure
agreement.
Trump may /wish/ that were the case, he may even /believe/ that is the
case, but it is not.

At least, not yet.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2020-03-24 17:43:58 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
<snip>
Post by Jaimie Vandenbergh
Americans give oaths of allegiance. It is odd behaviour for a nominally free
country.       Cheers - Jaimie
Yes.  We give an oath to support our constitution and laws, and the
officials elected over us.  Quite the basics of doing the job, that
one is to take.
I, ______________, solemnly swear that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the United States of America, the State of
Washington, ------- County and the City of ------, and that
I will serve them honestly and faithfully, and that I will obey
the orders of the officers appointed over me according to the law
and the rules and regulations of the Police Department, and that
I will uphold the Constitution of the United States, the State of
 Washington, the laws of the State of Washington, ----- County
and the City of -------.
Well, pre-2017, anyway, that was the only oath.
There are plenty of anecdotes that suggest anyone hired to the Federal
government since then has also sworn an oath of allegiance to Donald
Trump [note: NOT to "the President"] specifically, and I'm not which one
is more likely to lead to imprisonment if violated.
In addition, it's said to come with a standard Trump Org non-disclosure
agreement.
Trump may /wish/ that were the case, he may even /believe/ that is the
case, but it is not.
At least, not yet.
He's already purging those who he believes to be his political enemies
from the government...
Kevrob
2020-03-20 23:51:20 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
The UK and the Commonwealth need to be able to put
QEII in stasis, as in h2g2, so they never need to
replace her.

Kevin R
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-03-21 00:07:06 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
The UK and the Commonwealth need to be able to put
QEII in stasis, as in h2g2, so they never need to
replace her.
Well, for her age she's remarkably fit.

And for his age (he's Hal's age), Charles isn't. Maybe he will
predecease her and she will be able to say "Nunc dimitties,
Domine, ancillam tuam in pace."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Kevrob
2020-03-21 02:19:10 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
The UK and the Commonwealth need to be able to put
QEII in stasis, as in h2g2, so they never need to
replace her.
Well, for her age she's remarkably fit.
And for his age (he's Hal's age), Charles isn't. Maybe he will
predecease her and she will be able to say "Nunc dimitties,
Domine, ancillam tuam in pace."
Tuam isn't in Pace, it's in Galway. Lilibet isn't queen, there. :)

Latin jokes aside, I wouldn't want to see Mrs Glucksburg
have to bury a child, no matter how old he is.

Kevin R
h***@gmail.com
2020-03-21 04:59:05 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
The UK and the Commonwealth need to be able to put
QEII in stasis, as in h2g2, so they never need to
replace her.
Well, for her age she's remarkably fit.
She's still breathing and walking, that makes her pretty outstanding for a 93 year old
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And for his age (he's Hal's age), Charles isn't.
I must admit I haven't seen a lot of him in recent years but I haven't seen anything suggesting that he's got any real issues
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Maybe he will
predecease her and she will be able to say "Nunc dimitties,
Domine, ancillam tuam in pace."
William Hyde
2020-03-21 18:11:45 UTC
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Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
The UK and the Commonwealth need to be able to put
QEII in stasis, as in h2g2, so they never need to
replace her.
Well, for her age she's remarkably fit.
A few years ago I was in downtown Toronto and someone commented that prince Philip was attending a military memorial ceremony a few hundred yards way.

"Age 91 and he's crossing the Atlantic for a ceremony? My main hope for age 91 is to be above ground".

He may not look young, but with those parents Charles would be a Howard candidate.

William Hyde
Kevrob
2020-03-25 17:14:35 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
[quote]

Elsewhere in Britain, Prince Charles has tested positive for
coronavirus, Clarence House said, though the Duchess of Cornwall
is not infected. The Prince of Wales last saw the Queen less
than two weeks ago.

[/quote]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-live-uk-cases-death-toll-symptoms-nhs-update-a9423181.html

I hope his mum tells him to see _real_ MDs, not his
woo-woo fakirs.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prince_Charles

Kevin R
Lynn McGuire
2020-03-25 20:17:24 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by a425couple
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo!  Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
Alan, how can you disagree with the clear facts I stated?
I am not delusional.
I'm sorry, but you are delusional.
Your delusion is that I'm in anyway jealous about the idiot you elected.
Post by a425couple
You are a Canadian, and your government is a Federal parliamentary
constitutional monarchy.  Your head of state is Queen Elizabeth II.
And she likes you so much, she last visited you in 1997.
Your head of state never even visits you.
Yeah, yeah, I know, she is very busy with her mail.
And she at least sends routine best wishes.
She's a figurehead, L.
She is your head of state, and a monarch.
Your Prime Minister has to swear that he will be faithful and bear
true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second.
So does every single office holder in your country.
And every judge, attorney, police officer and military person.
And, as queens go, she is pretty good, and interferes little.
Just wait for Charles. Enjoy your monarchy.
[quote]
Elsewhere in Britain, Prince Charles has tested positive for
coronavirus, Clarence House said, though the Duchess of Cornwall
is not infected. The Prince of Wales last saw the Queen less
than two weeks ago.
[/quote]
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-news-live-uk-cases-death-toll-symptoms-nhs-update-a9423181.html
I hope his mum tells him to see _real_ MDs, not his
woo-woo fakirs.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prince_Charles
Kevin R
So is his mum saying "Oh no !" or "Oh yes !" ?

Lynn
Kevrob
2020-03-26 21:26:54 UTC
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I hope his mum tells him to see _real_ MDs, not his
woo-woo fakirs.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prince_Charles
Kevin R
So is his mum saying "Oh no !" or "Oh yes !" ?
The Queen saying "Oh, yes?"

"You might well think so, but I could not possibly comment."

Kevin R

Wolffan
2020-03-20 17:41:49 UTC
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Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo! Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
L... ...you're more than a little delusional.
Come on. Anyone would prefer Corgis to Canadians. They’ve better looking
and more intelligent. For one thing, unlike a certain Canadian I can think
of, they don’t make nonsensical proposals to invade large South American
countries.
Post by Alan Baker
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
I'm glad you can admit he's a jerk... ...but he is also manifestly
unsuited for the job.
well... yes he is. He’s unsuitable for any job not involving reality TV,
and he’s not very good at that.
Post by Alan Baker
And that is GOING TO KILL people in your country.
Already has.
Post by Alan Baker
<snip>
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-21 11:43:31 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo! Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
I like having a respected head of state who looks
pretty and doesn't do anything. She gets the
reverence and the legislative and executive branches
get critical scrutiny. Where they get the reverence,
things tend to go wrong.
Wolffan
2020-03-21 12:39:44 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo! Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
I like having a respected head of state who looks
pretty
Liz is _pretty_?! You sure about that?
Post by Robert Carnegie
and doesn't do anything. She gets the
reverence and the legislative and executive branches
get critical scrutiny. Where they get the reverence,
things tend to go wrong.
Kevrob
2020-03-21 14:12:52 UTC
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I like having a respected head of state who looks
pretty
Liz is _pretty_?! You sure about that?
When she was still a princess she didn't look half-bad.
Maybe she wasn't as cute as Claire Foy, but that's a
high standard. Sarah Gadon might be a bit too glam.

Kevin R
Robert Carnegie
2020-03-21 15:34:03 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Alan Baker
Make that more than 9,000.
9,225 as of this moment.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Now doubling in just over two days.
Yo! Alan, I'm sure sorry about your extreme jealousy
that we in USA, get to elect our own head of state.
While you have the one selected by birth, and she's
93 years old, has chosen to live in England,
and prefers her corgis to you Canadians.
And sorry about your anger, that we picked a jerk.
It happened, and perhaps will again.
I like having a respected head of state who looks
pretty
Liz is _pretty_?! You sure about that?
Are you disputing it?

Anyway, she's generally covered with gold and diamonds.
Everyone likes gold and diamonds.
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