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Uh oh, I bounced off this book. _Fractured State_ by Steven Konkoly
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Maybe my taste for post apocalyptic novels is waning.
Maybe it just about politics and dystopian societies
and not interesting.
I lost my taste for that genre long ago ... like, in
the fifties, when it was a new and frightening
And as for California seceding ... not gonna happen.
Rather, Caifornia will assimilate the rest of the US.
(Now, there is the hypothetical "State of Jefferson,"
adhered to by some people in rural Northern California
and rural Southern Oregon. They want to be their own
State and not be ruled by Sacramento and Salem.
That's not gonna happen either, they've been trying
for a long time, but they just don't have the
population to make it happen.)
I think they know that. I got the impression that it
was more of a Chamber of Commerce PR/Marketing schtick
now a days.
Possibly. In any case, since they're not going to
succeed, they're doing no harm.
It was a complaint against the state governments in
Sacramento and Salem ignoring their region's
infrastructure needs. The protests were cut short by the
Pearl Harbor attack.
Nowadays, it seems to be a backlash against immigration,
along with rural concerns.
And water rights. And distribution of tax revenues.
Don't know about California, but at one time many states
had representation in the State Senate done by some formula
like "one member from each county". This had the effect it
has in the US Senate where populous states can't run
completely roughshod over the interests of rural states.
1964's "Reynolds v. Sims" put a stop to this, unwisely
IMHO, and now you have situations like California and
Upstate New York where the population has no way to have
their concerns addressed in the state capital.
California has an initiative process that has been known to
bend Sacramento over a barrel and fuck it in the ass. Takes
a pretty extreme situation, but it's there.
A lack of sufficient water for the LA metro area could
easily turn into that sort of thing. (Water rights in
California have always been a pretty major issue. One
dispute, many years ago, over Colorado River water would
have turned into a shooting war with Arizona - they were
both states at that point, mind you - if the feds hadn't
intervened with troops of their own.)
The book did have an interesting turn as it had California
build an enormous nuclear power complex for sea water
At this stage, much more likely solar.
Could be, but desal has issues in and of itself, because it
produces large amounts of brine that has to go *somewhere*, and
the greens are opposed to it going back into the ocean. (But
then, in CA, the greens are opposed to anything that involves
not destroying the quality of life for humans. Except
So they would have a problem with the salt content of the ocean
water rising from 30,000 TDS to 30,000.00001 TDS ?
Yes. It is an issue *now*, and has been for many years.
To get a good view of what the greens spew look here:
(It doesn't matter how big a pile of stinking bullshit this is.
It's what the greens peddle to voters, and voters here *believe*
"Desalination is bad for the environment and human health. The by-
products of desalination include coagulalants, bisulfates, and
chlorines. When concentrated waste is dumped into the ocean as it
is with desalination, it is harmful to marine life and
environments. Furthermore, power plants intake mechanisms, which
are often teamed with desalination plants, kill at least 3.4
billion fish and other marine organisms annually. In addition to
upsetting marine environments, desalination causes fishermen to
lose at least 165 million pounds of fish a year today and 717.1
million pounds of potential future catch."
(And other hysterical propaganda. Welcome to California. Now go
There has been some success at using reverse osmosis to reclaim
waste water (the so-called "toilets to tap" programs), but that's
whole different animal (it involves pumping the R/O water back into
the underground aquifer, not putting it directly into the system)
and on a much smaller scale.
(You're also underestimating the impact on the brine at the local
level. What goes back into the ocean is about half as much water as
what came in, so it's a *lot* saltier when it comes out. This does
actually have a detrimental effect on the local area around the
outflow pipes. It can be dealt with, but that means more $$$ on and
already obscenely expensive process.)
Vacation photos from Iceland:
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.