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James Nicoll
2019-07-02 16:15:02 UTC
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2019-07-02 16:48:48 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they fight some more.”

Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2019-07-02 17:44:00 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
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2019-07-02 18:56:34 UTC
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2019-07-02 19:19:20 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
That's the book. They added sex in the movie.
Yes, but the "novel" was name checked.

Actually though, I thought the sex in the movie (at least the shower scene)
was pretty well done:

A) It was nice eye candy

&

B) The fact that this mixed group of fit youngsters could shower together
*without* it becoming an actual sex scene made the point that they weren't
early 21st century Americans.
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2019-07-03 09:55:35 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
That's the book. They added sex in the movie.
Yes, but the "novel" was name checked.
Actually though, I thought the sex in the movie (at least the shower scene)
A) It was nice eye candy
&
B) The fact that this mixed group of fit youngsters could shower together
*without* it becoming an actual sex scene made the point that they weren't
early 21st century Americans.
Or that they had all had sex together when the cameras
were off and /then/ took a shower.

It's what I'd do :-)
William Hyde
2019-07-02 19:27:01 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
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Well, mostly they train, wait and argue or are lectured in politics/philosophy.

Kitten Smith does have one beer. When Capt whatshisname and Zim arrange for some recreation, it's to beat each other up in the ring.

It's been decades since I read the book though. Did anyone offer Rico the traditional shot of rum after he was flogged?

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2019-07-02 19:48:05 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
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Well, mostly they train, wait and argue or are lectured in politics/philosophy.
Kitten Smith does have one beer. When Capt whatshisname and Zim arrange
for some recreation, it's to beat each other up in the ring.
It's been decades since I read the book though. Did anyone offer Rico
the traditional shot of rum after he was flogged?
William Hyde
Rico wasn't flogged. It was bad example guy who got flogged.
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2019-07-02 20:14:32 UTC
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Rico wasn't flogged. It was bad example guy who got flogged.
RIco got flogged for cheating during a combat exercises.

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2019-07-02 20:28:26 UTC
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Rico wasn't flogged. It was bad example guy who got flogged.
RIco got flogged for cheating during a combat exercises.
Huh.

I'll accept your word for it, but the only one I can remember is the
guy who did a sequence of dumb things and even came out and said he
punched the sergeant when the sergeant was very much trying to avoid
having that said on the record.
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2019-07-03 03:26:01 UTC
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RIco got flogged for cheating during a combat exercises.
Huh.
I'll accept your word for it, but the only one I can remember is the
guy who did a sequence of dumb things and even came out and said he
punched the sergeant when the sergeant was very much trying to avoid
having that said on the record.
Not cheating per se (even though he referred to it). More laziness and carelessness. He didn't follow protocol for determining fellow soldiers' positions when aiming a weapon during a training mission and eyeballed it instead.

The specific sentence was:

"—in simulated combat, gross negligence which would in action have caused the death of a teammate."


Brian
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-02 19:33:11 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,” he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.

Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2019-07-02 19:48:58 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about
soldiers,” he
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said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
Lynn
I am positive.

It was a juvenile book published in the 1960s. No sex.

I think Rico might have admitted once that he was glad there were girls
in the world, but that's it.
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James Nicoll
2019-07-02 20:07:36 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about
soldiers,” he
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said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
That's Forever War.
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Lynn McGuire
2019-07-02 20:19:54 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about
soldiers,” he
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said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.”
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
That's Forever War.
You are probably correct. I need to reread both books again, it has
been too long.

Lynn
J. Clarke
2019-07-03 01:40:15 UTC
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Paul Knorr's description of War Games: “It’s about soldiers,â€? he
said. “They fight, then they have sex, then they do drugs, then they
fight some more.�
Did they do drugs in Starship Troopers? I don't remember. I imagine that
Paul's description could fit that novel (and probably many others)...
They fight. They don't have sex. They don't do drugs. They fight some
more.
Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
Training on what asteroid? Are you sure you're not thinking of "The
Forever War" which was (a) not a juvenile, (b) written 15 years and a
sexual revolution later, and (c) was written by someone who had
actually seen the elephant instead of just talking to people who had.
Quadibloc
2019-07-16 02:44:49 UTC
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Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
In the book, male and female crewmembers were in separate walled-off sections of
the ship. And women weren't in combat roles either, IIRC.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2019-07-16 02:52:51 UTC
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Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
In the book, male and female crewmembers were in separate walled-off sections of
the ship. And women weren't in combat roles either, IIRC.
I hate to break this to you but "Starship Captain" is a combat role.
Quadibloc
2019-07-16 02:54:53 UTC
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In the book, male and female crewmembers were in separate walled-off sections of
the ship. And women weren't in combat roles either, IIRC.
I hate to break this to you but "Starship Captain" is a combat role.
It's been a while since I read the book, so my memory may be faulty. I remember
Raczak - the squad commander - but not the bridge crew.

John Savard
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2019-07-16 11:20:16 UTC
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In the book, male and female crewmembers were in separate walled-off sections of
the ship. And women weren't in combat roles either, IIRC.
I hate to break this to you but "Starship Captain" is a combat role.
It's been a while since I read the book, so my memory may be faulty. I remember
Raczak - the squad commander - but not the bridge crew.
You don't remember Captain Deladrier? Or Carmencita Ibanez?
David Johnston
2019-07-16 05:17:51 UTC
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Are you sure that they did not have sex in the book ? I thought when
the recruits were training on the asteroid that they were paired off in
bunks.
In the book, male and female crewmembers were in separate walled-off sections of
the ship. And women weren't in combat roles either, IIRC.
They weren`t infantry. But they were combat pilots.
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-02 20:31:03 UTC
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
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I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.

According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.

Lynn
Scott Lurndal
2019-07-02 20:47:07 UTC
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I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
Don't worry, 90% of everything is crap.
J. Clarke
2019-07-03 01:40:57 UTC
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I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-03 04:02:57 UTC
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I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.

Lynn
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2019-07-08 07:21:51 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...

Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
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Lynn McGuire
2019-07-15 22:02:45 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.

Lynn
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2019-07-15 23:01:13 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
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2019-07-16 01:13:22 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
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2019-07-16 02:48:00 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President. But if the Democrats put forward
AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.

John Savard
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2019-07-16 04:04:33 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President.
Here. at least, we agree.


But if the Democrats put forward
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AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.
AOC can't run in 2020 anyway, she won't be thirty-five yet.

Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
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Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
I hope she doesn't have a chance, because 2024 will be the year of Joe Biden's re-
election bid.

John Savard
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Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
I hope she doesn't have a chance, because 2024 will be the year of Joe Biden's re-
election bid.
That's if (1) Joe gets nominated, and (2) he wins. Right now his
margin over Trump is less than Hillary's was a week before the
election.

The Democrats are doing something wrong--I would expect a demented
squirrel to be able to get a better margin than 10% on Trump.
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2019-07-16 23:40:14 UTC
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Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
I hope she doesn't have a chance, because 2024 will be the year of Joe
Biden's re-
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election bid.
That's if (1) Joe gets nominated, and (2) he wins. Right now his
margin over Trump is less than Hillary's was a week before the
election.
The Democrats are doing something wrong--I would expect a demented
squirrel to be able to get a better margin than 10% on Trump.
It's only July 2019. There's more than a year to go before the
election. All sorts of things could happen, including a
Warren/Harris ticket. Well, maybe a Warren/somebody ticket.
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2019-07-17 00:12:36 UTC
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Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
I hope she doesn't have a chance, because 2024 will be the year of Joe
Biden's re-
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election bid.
That's if (1) Joe gets nominated, and (2) he wins. Right now his
margin over Trump is less than Hillary's was a week before the
election.
The Democrats are doing something wrong--I would expect a demented
squirrel to be able to get a better margin than 10% on Trump.
It's only July 2019. There's more than a year to go before the
election. All sorts of things could happen, including a
Warren/Harris ticket. Well, maybe a Warren/somebody ticket.
In that case, the Democrats may as well just say to Hell with it and
nominate Trump. Warren averages 2.5 points on Trump, Harris averages
2. Hillary lost with 12.

Biden/Sanders is likely the best bet among the candidates who are
running, but that nobody has more than 10 points on Trump says that
the Democrats just plain are not in touch with the public.
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2019-07-16 16:21:20 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President.
Here. at least, we agree.
But if the Democrats put forward
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AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.
AOC can't run in 2020 anyway, she won't be thirty-five yet.
Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
Born born October 13, 1989

Constitutionally, whoever the Electoral College selects must
be 35 as of Inauguration Day, if ID is coterminous with the
first day of the new term, which it usually is. If Jan 20 falls
on a Sunday, as it did in 2013, the Chief Justice swears the newly
elected or re-elected president in, and the public ceremony is on
Monday. Any swearing-in there is just for the crowd.

Kevin R
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President.
Here. at least, we agree.
But if the Democrats put forward
Post by Quadibloc
AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.
AOC can't run in 2020 anyway, she won't be thirty-five yet.
Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
Hal is correct.

Lynn
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President.
Here. at least, we agree.
But if the Democrats put forward
Post by Quadibloc
AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.
AOC can't run in 2020 anyway, she won't be thirty-five yet.
Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
Hal is correct.
He frequently is. :)
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Vallejo, California
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www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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2019-07-16 19:40:54 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President.
Here. at least, we agree.
But if the Democrats put forward
Post by Quadibloc
AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.
AOC can't run in 2020 anyway, she won't be thirty-five yet.
Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
Hal is correct.
He frequently is. :)
Whoa ! If I knew Hal, I would forward this to him for posterity.

Lynn
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
I can't wait for Trump not to be President.
Here. at least, we agree.
But if the Democrats put forward
Post by Quadibloc
AOC, we are likely to get Pence in 2024. I want them to put forward an electable
candidate now, so that Trump will not get a second term.
AOC can't run in 2020 anyway, she won't be thirty-five yet.
Hal points out that she could run in 2024, since she would turn
35 shortly after the election and before the inauguration.
Hal is correct.
He frequently is. :)
Whoa ! If I knew Hal, I would forward this to him for posterity.
Don't bother; I already told him.
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
--
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instinct are running screaming.
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2019-07-16 11:32:42 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
--
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instinct are running screaming.
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.

Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.

Kevin R
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Kevin R
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.

Lynn
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
--
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Carl Fink
2019-07-16 18:59:31 UTC
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Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
The Jefferson/Adams election, easily the most vicious and partisan before
the Civil War?
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by David DeLaney
Post by Lynn McGuire
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I'm guessing "Congress convened".
--
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instinct are running screaming.
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-16 19:35:21 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
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Post by J. Clarke
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then. Money that they had to borrow since the USA was broke.
There is a tale (who knows if it is true) that a taxpayer met his
congressman at a place and broke his nose. The congressman asked why
did you hit me, the taxpayer said that you gave my money to those people
over there.

Lynn
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then. Money that they had to borrow since the USA was broke.
There is a tale (who knows if it is true) that a taxpayer met his
congressman at a place and broke his nose. The congressman asked why
did you hit me, the taxpayer said that you gave my money to those people
over there.
Lynn
I heard it as a Davy Crockett story.
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then. Money that they had to borrow since the USA was broke.
There is a tale (who knows if it is true) that a taxpayer met his
congressman at a place and broke his nose. The congressman asked why
did you hit me, the taxpayer said that you gave my money to those people
over there.
I heard it as a Davy Crockett story.
Hm. Crockett was elected to the US Congress in 1827, defeated in
1831, re-elected in 1833, defeated in 1835, whereupon he went off
to the Alamo, never to return.

So if Crockett was the congressman in question, the story
couldn't have taken place in 1800 (when Crockett would've been,
hmmm, fourteen.)
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then. Money that they had to borrow since the USA was broke.
There is a tale (who knows if it is true) that a taxpayer met his
congressman at a place and broke his nose. The congressman asked why
did you hit me, the taxpayer said that you gave my money to those people
over there.
I heard it as a Davy Crockett story.
Hm. Crockett was elected to the US Congress in 1827, defeated in
1831, re-elected in 1833, defeated in 1835, whereupon he went off
to the Alamo, never to return.
So if Crockett was the congressman in question, the story
couldn't have taken place in 1800 (when Crockett would've been,
hmmm, fourteen.)
Here is the Crockett story:

http://hushmoney.org/Davy_Crockett_Farmer_Bunce.htm

Is it true? The sourcing seems a bit vague, but it is detailed and
presumably the existence of Horatio Bunce could be verified or disproved.

It's a good story at any rate, if verbose in a typical 19th Century way.
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2019-07-16 20:46:34 UTC
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Hm. Crockett was elected to the US Congress in 1827, defeated in
1831, re-elected in 1833, defeated in 1835, whereupon he went off
to the Alamo, never to return.
So if Crockett was the congressman in question, the story
couldn't have taken place in 1800 (when Crockett would've been,
hmmm, fourteen.)
http://hushmoney.org/Davy_Crockett_Farmer_Bunce.htm
Is it true? The sourcing seems a bit vague, but it is detailed and
presumably the existence of Horatio Bunce could be verified or disproved.
It's a good story at any rate, if verbose in a typical 19th Century way.
I dunno, the end of the article has the following (makes me wonder as to the veracity
of the entire site):

For information on how to start a free-church go to: http://hushmoney.org or send $20.00 to:

Heal Our Land Ministries.
<usps address elided by ed>

to receive your copy of ....
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2019-07-16 20:56:56 UTC
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Hm. Crockett was elected to the US Congress in 1827, defeated in
1831, re-elected in 1833, defeated in 1835, whereupon he went off
to the Alamo, never to return.
So if Crockett was the congressman in question, the story
couldn't have taken place in 1800 (when Crockett would've been,
hmmm, fourteen.)
http://hushmoney.org/Davy_Crockett_Farmer_Bunce.htm
Is it true? The sourcing seems a bit vague, but it is detailed and
presumably the existence of Horatio Bunce could be verified or disproved.
It's a good story at any rate, if verbose in a typical 19th Century way.
I dunno, the end of the article has the following (makes me wonder as to the veracity
Heal Our Land Ministries.
<usps address elided by ed>
to receive your copy of ....
Yeah, that's not the site I originally read it at, just the first one
Google brought up. It's pretty widely quoted whether it is real or not.
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still
love them.
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The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then. Money that they had to borrow since the USA was broke.
There is a tale (who knows if it is true) that a taxpayer met his
congressman at a place and broke his nose. The congressman asked why
did you hit me, the taxpayer said that you gave my money to those people
over there.
I heard it as a Davy Crockett story.
Hm. Crockett was elected to the US Congress in 1827, defeated in
1831, re-elected in 1833, defeated in 1835, whereupon he went off
to the Alamo, never to return.
So if Crockett was the congressman in question, the story
couldn't have taken place in 1800 (when Crockett would've been,
hmmm, fourteen.)
http://hushmoney.org/Davy_Crockett_Farmer_Bunce.htm
Is it true? The sourcing seems a bit vague, but it is detailed and
presumably the existence of Horatio Bunce could be verified or disproved.
It's a good story at any rate, if verbose in a typical 19th Century way.
Interesting. But even if it came from Crockett's own pen, we may
harbor some doubts about its authenticity; Crockett told a number
of tall tales.

I think I would respond to either Crockett or Bunce, if either
were around to listen, by quoting the Preamble to the
Constitution.

(I had to memorize it for high-school Civics. In junior college,
I still had it by heart, and won a tiny contest by being able to
recite it. But that was a long time ago.)

"We, the People of the United States, in Order to form a more
perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility,
provide for the common defence, *promote the general Welfare,*
and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our
Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America."

Emphasis mine.
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djheydt at gmail dot com
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2019-07-16 19:47:36 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Oh, no. Ceding powers to the Executive is a bi-partisan SNAFUBAR
that dates to the Progressive era, if not earlier.
Congress delegating its lawmaking power to teh executive, who has
the Cabinet Agencies write regulations is one trick. We'd have many
fewer of these regs if congresscritters had to vote on them.
Presidential "declarations of emergency" are another, as are the
"authorizations of use of force" insterad of actual Declarations
of War.
Congress has been dysfunctional since 1800. The current Congress is
only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then. Money that they had to borrow since the USA was broke.
There is a tale (who knows if it is true) that a taxpayer met his
congressman at a place and broke his nose. The congressman asked why
did you hit me, the taxpayer said that you gave my money to those people
over there.
Okay, you are revealing the selfishness and inhumanity of that
taxpayer.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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Okay, you are revealing the selfishness and inhumanity of that
taxpayer.
....or, the citizen who asked to pick the pocket of the other
citizens, at gunpoint, might be the "selfish" one?

"Mr. Speaker -- I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as
much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man
in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for
a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of
the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power
to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor
knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money
as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so
to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been
made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker,
the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of
his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him.
This government can owe no debts but for services rendered, and at a
stipulated price. If it is a debt, how much is it? Has it been audited, and
the amount due ascertained? If it is a debt, this is not the place to present it
for payment, or to have its merits examined. If it is a debt, we owe more than we
can ever hope to pay, for we owe the widow of every soldier who fought in the War
of 1812 precisely the same amount. There is a woman in my neighborhood, the widow
of as gallant a man as ever shouldered a musket. He fell in battle. She is as good
in every respect as this lady, and is as poor. She is earning her daily bread by
her daily labor; but if I were to introduce a bill to appropriate five or
ten thousand dollars for her benefit, I should be laughed at, and my bill would
not get five votes in this House. There are thousands of widows in the country
just such as the one I have spoken of, but we never hear of any of these large
debts to them. Sir, this is no debt. The government did not owe it to the
deceased when he was alive; it could not contract it after he died. I do not wish
to be rude, but I must be plain. Every man in this House knows it is not a debt.
We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment
of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity.
Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much of our own money as
we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but
I will give one week's pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do
the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks."

[quote] Davy Crockett, quoted in "The Life of Colonel David Crockett" by
E S Ellis

https://preview.tinyurl.com/Congress-Crockett-Speech OR

https://tinyurl.com/Congress-Crockett-Speech resolvesd to

https://books.google.com/books?id=g9MNAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=Crockett+%22I+cannot+vote+for+this+bill,+but+I+will+give+one+week%27s+pay+to+the+object,+and+if+every+member+of+Congress+will+do+the+same,+it+will+amount+to+more+than+the+bill+asks.%22&source=bl&ots=SIeX6KfI4r&sig=ACfU3U2ZskGCiAg--e32HFiqwATx5dPAbQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiR3vPIsLrjAhURTN8KHRSDAbUQ6AEwBnoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Crockett%20%22I%20cannot%20vote%20for%20this%20bill%2C%20but%20I%20will%20give%20one%20week's%20pay%20to%20the%20object%2C%20and%20if%20every%20member%20of%20Congress%20will%20do%20the%20same%2C%20it%20will%20amount%20to%20more%20than%20the%20bill%20asks.%22&f=false

`Tis a famous speech, among those who esteem a _limited_ government.

Kevin R
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only more so.
Okay, I'll bite: what happened in 1800?
I forget the exact year but Congress spent money on a local tragedy
around then.
You do know how to use Google, right? Instead of baseless speculation,
how about you try to learn the facts, first?
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
Not if she uses the precedents that Trump is (trying) to set.
Trump wouldn't be able to get away with a tenth of what he does if the
Congress hadn't given him that power. Nobody pays attention to the
amount of legislative power the Congress has ceded to the Executive
over the years. And I don't see _any_ of the current crop talking
about taking that power back.
Not Congress, McConnell. And _he_ only does it so he can pack the
courts. I think. Maybe.
Sorry, but McConnell has nothing to do with it. The process of ceding
power to the Executive has been going on for generations and has been
done by majority vote of both houses of Congress, sometimes when one
party was dominant and sometimes another.
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2019-07-16 04:02:19 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
--
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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2019-07-16 11:30:08 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
The usual Democratic claptrap. Note that I am opposed to the
Republican claptrap too. If people want to live in Europe they should
move to Europe, not turn the US into Europe.

When a politician says "I want to help you", what he or she means is
"I want to take all your wages and micromanage your life".
Ocasio-Cortez is just more of the same. Between Medicare for All and
The Green New Deal we'll all be living on whatever tiny pittance the
government decides that we "deserve", no matter how high our wages
might be.
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2019-07-16 17:42:20 UTC
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.

Lynn
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
What are your grounds for thinking that?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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2019-07-16 19:29:47 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
What are your grounds for thinking that?
This is all throughout the writings of the left in the USA. In some
sense, they are correct that medical treatment should be limited in the
last year of life. But no one but God can tell when the last year of
life is.

Lynn
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by David DeLaney
Post by Lynn McGuire
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
What are your grounds for thinking that?
This is all throughout the writings of the left in the USA.
Evidence? Can you link to a cite?
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by David DeLaney
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up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
What are your grounds for thinking that?
This is all throughout the writings of the left in the USA.
Evidence? Can you link to a cite?
He can't; he's just parroting Sarah Palin's "Death Panels" line.
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016
just blew
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by David DeLaney
Post by Lynn McGuire
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
What are your grounds for thinking that?
This is all throughout the writings of the left in the USA.
Evidence? Can you link to a cite?
He can't; he's just parroting Sarah Palin's "Death Panels" line.
Sounds right. As in -wing.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
What are your grounds for thinking that?
Lynn isn't known for an ability to think critically.
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2019-07-16 19:55:08 UTC
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Yes.  All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals.  But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older.  That money would be
better spent on the children.
Not only is that utterly unlike anything she has ever proposed, the idea
that Democrats would support cutting off medical care to a voting group
is just silly.
Scott Lurndal
2019-07-16 20:15:24 UTC
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Yes.  All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals.  But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older.  That money would be
better spent on the children.
Not only is that utterly unlike anything she has ever proposed, the idea
that Democrats would support cutting off medical care to a voting group
is just silly.
In fact, it was Sarah Palin that made up the whole "Death Panels" nonsense.
Dorothy J Heydt
2019-07-16 20:30:10 UTC
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Yes.  All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals.  But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older.  That money would be
better spent on the children.
Not only is that utterly unlike anything she has ever proposed, the idea
that Democrats would support cutting off medical care to a voting group
is just silly.
There you go.
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Kevrob
2019-07-16 22:16:22 UTC
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Not only is that utterly unlike anything she has ever proposed, the idea
that Democrats would support cutting off medical care to a voting group
is just silly.
There you go.
"Here's your absentee ballot, dear. Breathe once on it
for straight-ticket Democrat...."

:)

I hope, obviously.

Kevin R
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2019-07-16 22:46:10 UTC
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Yes.  All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals.  But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older.  That money would be
better spent on the children.
Not only is that utterly unlike anything she has ever proposed, the idea
that Democrats would support cutting off medical care to a voting group
is just silly.
There you go.
Actually, that it's offending a voting group is the most plausible
argument I've seen that they might do it. The major skill of the
Democrats these days seems to be shooting themselves in the foot.
Robert Carnegie
2019-07-16 22:17:34 UTC
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Yes.  All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals.  But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older.  That money would be
better spent on the children.
Not only is that utterly unlike anything she has ever proposed, the idea
that Democrats would support cutting off medical care to a voting group
is just silly.
If you do it far enough before the election, then
they ain't around to pay you back for it. But all
politicians know that already.
J. Clarke
2019-07-16 22:43:11 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes. All of the Heinlein juveniles are aging but I still love them.
The fact that we, the USA, had a presidential election in 2016 just blew
up his prophet prophecy and slightly spoiled _Revolt in 2100_.
... -partly- blew up his prophetecy. Look what happened in it...
Dave, are these not the Crazy Years?
Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
I can't wait.
I can't help thinking that this is one of those "be careful what you
wish for" deals. But maybe she'll have a split Congress, which tends
to minimize the harm that can be done.
What kind of "harm" do you think she would do?
Stop all medical treatment of those 75 and older. That money would be
better spent on the children.
Did she call for that?
a***@yahoo.com
2019-07-16 16:34:20 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
Kevrob
2019-07-16 16:40:59 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
...only mentally. :)

See:

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/02/24/heart-head/

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2019-07-16 16:53:34 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
If only there some way the internet would allow us to look up basic
facts.
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Dorothy J Heydt
2019-07-16 17:24:42 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.

She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.

_____
*An age at which women used to be considered ugly old hags. We *CAN*
progress.
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Lynn McGuire
2019-07-16 17:41:04 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
_____
*An age at which women used to be considered ugly old hags. We *CAN*
progress.
That probably correlates with the point that women used to have ten
kids. Kids age a person like nothing else.

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2019-07-16 18:36:58 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
_____
*An age at which women used to be considered ugly old hags. We *CAN*
progress.
That probably correlates with the point that women used to have ten
kids. Kids age a person like nothing else.
True, that!

There's a series of whodunits by Jane Haddam, featuring a hero
who is a retired FBI agent, in his very late fifties or more
likely early sixties. He lives in his old ethnic neighborhood,
surrounded by his (similarly elderly) classmates. He has a
friend (she becomes his girlfriend much later in the series) who
is in her early forties. He remarks that compared to his
contemporaries, she looks *so* much younger than her age.

Her response:

"I haven't had any children!"
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a***@yahoo.com
2019-07-16 18:34:02 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
The AOC is 18 in California. In some states it is 16.
J. Clarke
2019-07-16 22:55:22 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
The AOC is 18 in California. In some states it is 16.
AOC represents the Bronx though, so what does California have to do
with anything?
Scott Lurndal
2019-07-17 00:19:47 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
The AOC is 18 in California. In some states it is 16.
AOC represents the Bronx though, so what does California have to do
with anything?
Whooosh!

Think acronym rather than initials.

Dorothy J Heydt
2019-07-16 18:34:24 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
_____
*An age at which women used to be considered ugly old hags. We *CAN*
progress.
Hal points out, "What's more, at 30 she'd be eligible to serve in
the Senate."
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Carl Fink
2019-07-16 19:01:19 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
That's close to 18 in Mars years, though. If you squint. (It's more like
16.)
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Dorothy J Heydt
2019-07-16 19:48:05 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
That's close to 18 in Mars years, though. If you squint. (It's more like
16.)
But she's not running for office on Mars.
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J. Clarke
2019-07-16 22:55:54 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
That's close to 18 in Mars years, though. If you squint. (It's more like
16.)
But she's not running for office on Mars.
At least not physically.
Gene Wirchenko
2019-07-16 19:07:29 UTC
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
_____
*An age at which women used to be considered ugly old hags. We *CAN*
progress.
So AOC will progress to becoming an ugly, old hag?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Dorothy J Heydt
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Gonna get crazier when AOC becomes el presidente in 2025.
But I read somewhere that the AOC is only 18.
You read wrong, or else somebody was lying not merely in his
teeth, but somewhere down in his lower bowel.
She was born 10-13-89, and is currently 29. She'll turn 30* in
another couple of months.
_____
*An age at which women used to be considered ugly old hags. We *CAN*
progress.
So AOC will progress to becoming an ugly, old hag?
Probably not. She hasn't had those ten children yet (or,
perhaps, ever).
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Dimensional Traveler
2019-07-03 04:04:28 UTC
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/02/ten-favorite-flawed-books-that-are-always-worth-rereading/
I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
There were native American nations that deliberately included a flaw in
everything they made because only the Gods could make something perfect.
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/02/ten-favorite-flawed-books-that-are-always-worth-rereading/
I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
There were native American nations that deliberately included a flaw in
everything they made because only the Gods could make something perfect.
--
Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
instinct are running screaming.
I have also heard thus of Persian carpets
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2019-07-03 04:54:18 UTC
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
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I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
There were native American nations that deliberately included a flaw in
everything they made because only the Gods could make something perfect.
The Pomo, for instance. They made beautifully patterned baskets,
with a break somewhere in the pattern, called a _dau_, "door," to
let the spirit of the basket out if/when the basket was destroyed.
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Carl Fink
2019-07-03 13:06:28 UTC
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/02/ten-favorite-flawed-books-that-are-always-worth-rereading/
I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
There were native American nations that deliberately included a flaw in
everything they made because only the Gods could make something perfect.
There are Orthodox Jews who have a similar custom about houses. One part is
consciously left unfinished.
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/02/ten-favorite-flawed-books-that-are-always-worth-rereading/
I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
There were native American nations that deliberately included a flaw in
everything they made because only the Gods could make something perfect.
There are Orthodox Jews who have a similar custom about houses. One part is
consciously left unfinished.
ObSF: Frank Herbert's "Death of a City."

It's not quite the same thing, but I was reminded of it.

"Thus, they had built a city whose very _rightness_ might condemn it."
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Ten Favorite Flawed Books That Are Always Worth Rereading
https://www.tor.com/2019/07/02/ten-favorite-flawed-books-that-are-always-worth-rereading/
I have only read three of these, the Heinlein, Norton, and the Vinge.
According to this crowd, just about everything that I read is flawed.
If you want to pick at it hard enough, everything is flawed.
There were native American nations that deliberately included a flaw in
everything they made because only the Gods could make something perfect.
There are Orthodox Jews who have a similar custom about houses. One part is
consciously left unfinished.
The Greeks do (or at least used to) similar with houses, but for
economics: some sort of tax isn't due until building work is completed,
leading to always leaving a chunk of half built wall with rebar sticking
out of it on any new build.

Cheers - Jaimie
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2019-07-03 17:56:49 UTC
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Oh, I know that poem; but when did Baker quote it???
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"How do you like your blue-eyed boy now, Mr Death?" - e e
cummings/Tom Baker
Oh, I know that poem; but when did Baker quote it???
He was on "Have I Got News For You", a Brit topical panel show. I've
just skimmed through the ones I can find on YouTube and didn't see that
bit, but it was just that line as a 'picture caption competition' type
entry.

It's worth watching the ones I just did anyway, though many of the
references are perhaps overly local and ten or twenty years old to boot.



(first of three, the others
should play in sequence)

Cheers - Jaimie
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bring to the discussion, kindly do. Otherwise, isn't there an
eternal flamefest that would peter out if you won't keep feeding it?
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"How do you like your blue-eyed boy now, Mr Death?" - e e
cummings/Tom Baker
Oh, I know that poem; but when did Baker quote it???
Here?

..on some episode or other of the BBC's "Have I Got News For You."

https://www.poemofquotes.com/quotes/film-tv/have-i-got-news-for-you-quotes

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/47244/buffalo-bill-s

So, Robert Zimmerman, master of lyric /t/h/e/ft/ ...er...
homage...strikes again? :)

"Oh, where have you been, my blue-eyed son..."
"Oh, where have you been, my darling young one?"

[A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall]

See also:

"O WHERE ha you been, Lord Randal, my son?
And where ha you been, my handsome young man?"

http://www.contemplator.com/child/variant12.html

I watched one of the HIGNFY eps, and TB was a stitch.

Kevin R
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"O WHERE ha you been, Lord Randal, my son?
And where ha you been, my handsome young man?"
Well, there you are. It's not theft if both derive from the same public-domain
source.

John Savard
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