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Lynn McGuire
2019-11-25 20:49:23 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm

But they have a pretty good safety record ?

Lynn
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2019-11-25 23:46:21 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Sol Safety Record:
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
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J. Clarke
2019-11-26 00:36:38 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
But a mere 5 years ago SN 2014J blew crap out of any planets it might
have had.
Chrysi Cat
2019-11-26 02:11:01 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
But a mere 5 years ago SN 2014J blew crap out of any planets it might
have had.
Well, yes, but bear in mind that modern theory is that stars can't even
reach 'normal' nova, let alone supernova, unless another star intrudes
on their heliosphere, and Sol doesn't seem to be in for that problem at
least until Andromeda crosses the Milky Way's path.
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J. Clarke
2019-11-26 02:35:29 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
But a mere 5 years ago SN 2014J blew crap out of any planets it might
have had.
Well, yes, but bear in mind that modern theory is that stars can't even
reach 'normal' nova, let alone supernova, unless another star intrudes
on their heliosphere, and Sol doesn't seem to be in for that problem at
least until Andromeda crosses the Milky Way's path.
What "modern theory" is that? You are describing a type 1a supernova.
There are many other types, which do not require such a thing.

According to current theory the Sun isn't susceptible to that, but
that is assuming that current theory is correct.
David DeLaney
2019-12-02 13:38:03 UTC
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But a mere 5 years ago SN 2014J blew crap out of any planets it might
have had.
Well, yes, but bear in mind that modern theory is that stars can't even
reach 'normal' nova, let alone supernova, unless another star intrudes
on their heliosphere, and Sol doesn't seem to be in for that problem at
least until Andromeda crosses the Milky Way's path.
<blink> WHAT?

Stars _of our Sun's size or less_ aren't going to go nova normally, and can't
go supernova, wthout violent extrasolar events intruding, correct. But two
starts colliding is NOT what makes a nova. (Have you gotten this confused with
"small star orbits big star, big star's hydrogen gets drawn to small star,
periodically overheating it in a small nova"?)

Novas can have several causes, most having to do with a violent event, or
moderately violent periodic event even, inside the star. Supernovas are
usually from a large star that's gotten concentric shells of "burning hydrogen"
"burning helium" "burning carbon" etc. established in itself, until they get
to the one whose burning-ash is iron, in the middle. Iron won't burn further,
being at the bottom of the curve of binding energy, so accumulates; one of
several mechanisms depending on star size can cause the iron core to collapse,
or else the layers immediately around it to collapse onto the core, followed
RIGHT AWAY by explosive runaway fusion of the fuel left in the collapsed layers
and a subsequent megaboom. [They CAN also happen from a white dwarf
accumulating material from a companion star, enough to trigger runaway carbon
fusion, effectively making the WHOLE white dwarf go megaboom.]

Two (or more) stars colliding is rare enough that it's down in the statistical
clutter around zero, when enumerating star-go-boom causes.

Dave, after all, there's a REASON "Doc" Smith had the Eddorians travelling so
long; in his multiverse, the "cigar-shaped length of material drawn out by a
passing wandering star" mechanism for making planets WAS how they formed, so
planetary systems were extraordinarily rare
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Scott Lurndal
2019-11-26 13:49:00 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
But a mere 5 years ago SN 2014J blew crap out of any planets it might
have had.
Correction. 11,500,000 years ago SN2014J blew crap out of any planets it
might have had.
Gene Wirchenko
2019-11-28 21:59:09 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.

Licence astronomers!

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Dimensional Traveler
2019-11-28 23:02:14 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P

(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
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Juho Julkunen
2019-11-29 00:53:15 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P
(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
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2019-11-29 01:34:19 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P
(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
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"You need to believe in things that aren't true. How else can they become?"
Moriarty
2019-11-29 01:41:09 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P
(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.

-Moriarty
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2019-11-29 07:02:42 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P
(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Ah, thank you.
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David DeLaney
2019-12-02 13:41:31 UTC
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At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres,
Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Also, somewhere in along there we TOTALLY misplaced Vulcan.

Dave, ... no, not _that_ one

ps: and Counter-Earth hasn't been seen in a while either
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It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
my gatekeeper archives are no longer accessible :( / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
p***@hotmail.com
2019-12-02 18:36:32 UTC
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At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres,
Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Also, somewhere in along there we TOTALLY misplaced Vulcan.
Dave, ... no, not _that_ one
ps: and Counter-Earth hasn't been seen in a while either
But _Quarry of Gor_ was just published in June.

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
Robert Carnegie
2019-12-02 21:17:56 UTC
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At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres,
Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Also, somewhere in along there we TOTALLY misplaced Vulcan.
Dave, ... no, not _that_ one
ps: and Counter-Earth hasn't been seen in a while either
But _Quarry of Gor_ was just published in June.
Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
Oh? What happened to the saying, "When you're in
a hole, stop,digging"? :-)
p***@hotmail.com
2019-12-04 02:33:31 UTC
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At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres,
Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Also, somewhere in along there we TOTALLY misplaced Vulcan.
Dave, ... no, not _that_ one
ps: and Counter-Earth hasn't been seen in a while either
But _Quarry of Gor_ was just published in June.
Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
Oh? What happened to the saying, "When you're in
a hole, stop,digging"? :-)
Unless one is mining or tunneling or something of that nature, but
I take your point.

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist

Moriarty
2019-12-02 21:19:55 UTC
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At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres,
Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Also, somewhere in along there we TOTALLY misplaced Vulcan.
Dave, ... no, not _that_ one
ps: and Counter-Earth hasn't been seen in a while either
But _Quarry of Gor_ was just published in June.
An economic analysis of the slate industry of Gor?

-Moriarty
Lynn McGuire
2019-12-02 21:22:33 UTC
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At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
In 1846, Neptune was discovered bringing the total to 12 planets. Ceres,
Pallas, Juno and Vesta were demoted not long after.
Also, somewhere in along there we TOTALLY misplaced Vulcan.
Dave, ... no, not _that_ one
ps: and Counter-Earth hasn't been seen in a while either
But _Quarry of Gor_ was just published in June.
Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
Wow, book 35 in the Gorean Saga series. I think I read books 1 and 2
back in the 1970s.
https://www.amazon.com/Quarry-Gorean-Saga-John-Norman/dp/1504058313

Sounds like a better name for the book might be "50 Shades of the Whip".

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2019-11-29 02:12:09 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
   http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P
(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
I think, mind you, I say I *think*, that that was when the larger
asteroids were being discovered and first described as planets,
and then demoted to asteroids as more and more were discovered.

And now 1 Ceres, at least, is designated a dwarf planet, like
Pluto.
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John W Kennedy
2019-12-01 02:43:54 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
�� http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
4 Billion Years since a planet was lost.
Well, no, there was that incident in 2006 where we lost a planet.
It was not Sol's fault though.
Licence astronomers!
:P
(Surprised it took this long for someone to bring that up though.)
At least it was just one planet. That's nothing compared to the
massacre of the 1850s.
Not familiar with that. 'Splain please?
I think, mind you, I say I *think*, that that was when the larger
asteroids were being discovered and first described as planets,
and then demoted to asteroids as more and more were discovered.
And now 1 Ceres, at least, is designated a dwarf planet, like
Pluto.
That’s the gist of it. The first four asteroids were discovered quickly,
and for a large part of the 19th century, Sol had 12 planets. Then more
asteroids started to be discovered, and astronomers in a body decided
that a “planet” should be large enough to be impressive, and all the
asteroids were demoted. Pluto was demoted for exactly the same reason.
No one could come up with an official definition of “planet” that
included Pluto, but didn’t include Ceres (at least), Eris, and
potentially a thousand more Trans-Neptunian Objects, including, in fact,
Charon.
--
John W. Kennedy
"The blind rulers of Logres
Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
-- Charles Williams. "Taliessin through Logres: Prelude"
Robert Woodward
2019-11-26 05:42:00 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Arthur C. Clarke had the Sun exploding in at least 3 stories - don't why
he thought it was possible. OTOH all stars (according to current theory)
have a positive K factor (which means the output level will continually
increase exponentially until fuel is exhausted).
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Robert Carnegie
2019-11-26 08:47:28 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Arthur C. Clarke had the Sun exploding in at least 3 stories - don't why
he thought it was possible. OTOH all stars (according to current theory)
have a positive K factor (which means the output level will continually
increase exponentially until fuel is exhausted).
If the story is that the sun doesn't explode, then
where's the suspense? Having said that, another of
his ideas was the sun dimming down a bit, another
inconvenience.
nuny@bid.nes
2019-11-28 05:04:29 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.

On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?


Mark L. Fergerson
Lynn McGuire
2019-11-28 17:46:50 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.
On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?
Mark L. Fergerson
God. Jehovah. I am. Yahweh. And about nine billion other names.

Good luck in collecting. He does not suffer fools easily.

Lynn
Juho Julkunen
2019-11-28 18:18:27 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.
On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?
Mark L. Fergerson
God. Jehovah. I am. Yahweh. And about nine billion other names.
Good luck in collecting. He does not suffer fools easily.
He has also spent the past couple of thousand years hiding. Possibly
from lawsuits.
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Juho Julkunen
Lynn McGuire
2019-11-29 06:28:50 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.
On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?
Mark L. Fergerson
God. Jehovah. I am. Yahweh. And about nine billion other names.
Good luck in collecting. He does not suffer fools easily.
He has also spent the past couple of thousand years hiding. Possibly
from lawsuits.
A thousand years is but a day to Yahweh.
https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-8.htm

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2019-11-29 17:31:47 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.
On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?
Mark L. Fergerson
God. Jehovah. I am. Yahweh. And about nine billion other names.
Good luck in collecting. He does not suffer fools easily.
He has also spent the past couple of thousand years hiding. Possibly
from lawsuits.
A thousand years is but a day to Yahweh.
https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-8.htm
And a day like a thousand years. Hence the concept of the Six
Ages of the World, with the Seventh to come.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Ages_of_the_World
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Titus G
2019-11-29 02:13:26 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.
On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?
Mark L. Fergerson
Are you referring to the contributor to this group, the one who must not
be named, the maker of stars? Without him, we wouldn't have those
brilliant replies from Sylvia Else.
Quadibloc
2019-12-01 06:57:11 UTC
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Are you referring to the contributor to this group, the one who must not
be named, the maker of stars? Without him, we wouldn't have those
brilliant replies from Sylvia Else.
Of course, in Olaf Stapleton's book, humanity finally did catch up with him... and
he was not terribly impressed by the feat, although it was unexpected.

John Savard
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2019-12-01 09:30:57 UTC
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Freefall: stars are unlicensed and unshielded nuclear reactors
http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff3400/fc03361.htm
But they have a pretty good safety record ?
Shades of Ghostbusters.
On the other hand, who would you fine for building and operating stars?
Mark L. Fergerson
Are you referring to the contributor to this group, the one who must not
be named, the maker of stars? Without him, we wouldn't have those
brilliant replies from Sylvia Else.
I do not refer to the Faker of Stars for any reason.

(oh, shit)


Mark L. Fergerson
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