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Jonathan
2021-08-17 11:32:29 UTC
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Trump's only condition for our complete withdrawal
and an end to all sanctions appears to be a
well-timed and hearty political endorsement
from...The Taliban. See below please.

Everyone around the world knows full-well that if
you kissed Trump's rear just-right, he'd be
eternally grateful and roll over like a
puppy dog.


Here is the Taliban kissing Trump's rear /just-right/
/days before the election/ when Trump needed the
rear-kissing the most...


Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview

"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/

Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?

And the Taliban got in return a no-conditions deal
for the US to completely pull out by.../May 1,2021/
and for complete...end to US sanctions

The Taliban offensive BEGAN on.../May 1,2020/ the
very same date Trump set for a complete withdrawal.

See links below.


Biden was left with a choice between sending some
10,000 US troops back in, or getting out.


The Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction
of its force level from 13,000 to 8,600 by July 2020,
followed by a full withdrawal by /1 May 2021/.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020%E2%80%932021)


The 2021 Taliban offensive is an ongoing military offensive
by the Taliban and allied militant groups against the
government of Afghanistan and its allies that began on
/1 May 2021/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Taliban_offensive


Jonathan
--
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when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
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Quadibloc
2021-08-17 16:02:38 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..

John Savard
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-08-17 17:22:32 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,

(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?

(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
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djheydt at gmail dot com
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J. Clarke
2021-08-17 17:51:10 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
Andrew McDowell
2021-08-17 18:01:31 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.

ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion

The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.

(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Lynn McGuire
2021-08-17 18:57:44 UTC
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Post by Andrew McDowell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
in the Artillery if I remember correctly.

Lynn
J. Clarke
2021-08-17 21:17:09 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Andrew McDowell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
One of these days the President is going to order the Army go into
some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like to see
them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some godforsaken place
and kill a bunch of people who have never done anything to us only to
be told 20 years down the road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee
that that will not happen this time? May we shoot you and your family
if that promise is not kept?"
Quadibloc
2021-08-17 22:05:16 UTC
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One of these days the President is going to order the Army go into
some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like to see
them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some godforsaken place
and kill a bunch of people who have never done anything to us only to
be told 20 years down the road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee
that that will not happen this time? May we shoot you and your family
if that promise is not kept?"
I can understand your emotional reaction.

But it is based on a number of false premises.

1) "A bunch of people who have never done anything to us"

In the case of the Taliban, what they did to America was shield Osama bin Laden
from justice, and Osama bin Laden certainly _did_ do something to you Americans,
as I think you still remember.

In the case of Vietnam - and Korea - there _was_ the Cold War.

But the whole idea of "done anything to _us_" is flawed. Done anything to *any
innocent victim* is the correct standard.

"Verily, I say unto thee: Whatsoever thou doest unto the least of My brethren, thou
hast done unto Me." - Matthew 25:40

So going to Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam from Communist invasion
was a good idea. Subverting South Vietnam's democratic government to get a
more pliable military regime, or My Lai, not so much.

2) The term of office of the President of the United States of America is four years.

As well, the Twenty-Second Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents
a President from serving more than two terms.

However, in any case, I have good news for you.

It will not be necessary for the armed forces of the United States to mutiny
(hey, why just stop at killing innocent members of a President's family? Why
not become the government, as in so many other banana republics? I mean,
what with global warming, you might even be able to *grow* bananas in Florida
and California, where oranges grow now...) to accomplish your end.

The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
thing.

So I suspect the United States government is going to think long and hard before
sending troops into some obscure and unfortunate corner of the world (but, were
there a God, Who loves *all* innocent thinking beings, no part of the world would be
forsaken by Him) in the future.

For the most part, this _is_ a good thing.

However, a retreat by the United States from actively ensuring the security of liberty
on a global basis has obvious potential bad consequences. If you lived in Israel,
Taiwan, or South Korea, I wouldn't have to explain them to you.

John Savard
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 22:12:01 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
One of these days the President is going to order the Army go
into some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds
like to see them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into
some godforsaken place and kill a bunch of people who have
never done anything to us only to be told 20 years down the
road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee that that will not
happen this time? May we shoot you and your family if that
promise is not kept?"
I can understand your emotional reaction.
But it is based on a number of false premises.
1) "A bunch of people who have never done anything to us"
In the case of the Taliban, what they did to America was shield
Osama bin Laden from justice, and Osama bin Laden certainly
_did_ do something to you Americans, as I think you still
remember.
I wouldn't bet that he does, actually.
In the case of Vietnam - and Korea - there _was_ the Cold War.
But the whole idea of "done anything to _us_" is flawed. Done
anything to *any innocent victim* is the correct standard.
"Verily, I say unto thee: Whatsoever thou doest unto the least
of My brethren, thou hast done unto Me." - Matthew 25:40
So going to Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam from
Communist invasion was a good idea. Subverting South Vietnam's
democratic government to get a more pliable military regime, or
My Lai, not so much.
2) The term of office of the President of the United States of
America is four years.
As well, the Twenty-Second Amendment to the United States
Constitution prevents a President from serving more than two
terms.
However, in any case, I have good news for you.
It will not be necessary for the armed forces of the United
States to mutiny (hey, why just stop at killing innocent members
of a President's family? Why not become the government, as in so
many other banana republics? I mean, what with global warming,
you might even be able to *grow* bananas in Florida and
California, where oranges grow now...) to accomplish your end.
The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some
extent, daughters) fight and die on foreign lands are *also*
losing their patience with this sort of thing.
So I suspect the United States government is going to think long
and hard before sending troops into some obscure and unfortunate
corner of the world (but, were there a God, Who loves *all*
innocent thinking beings, no part of the world would be forsaken
by Him) in the future.
For the most part, this _is_ a good thing.
However, a retreat by the United States from actively ensuring
the security of liberty on a global basis has obvious potential
bad consequences. If you lived in Israel, Taiwan, or South
Korea, I wouldn't have to explain them to you.
And there it is, another sign that Hell is freezing over.

Quaddie is the rational one.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
J. Clarke
2021-08-18 00:10:03 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
One of these days the President is going to order the Army go into
some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like to see
them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some godforsaken place
and kill a bunch of people who have never done anything to us only to
be told 20 years down the road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee
that that will not happen this time? May we shoot you and your family
if that promise is not kept?"
I can understand your emotional reaction.
But it is based on a number of false premises.
1) "A bunch of people who have never done anything to us"
In the case of the Taliban, what they did to America was shield Osama bin Laden
from justice, and Osama bin Laden certainly _did_ do something to you Americans,
as I think you still remember.
And how many Aghanis who were not the Taliban got killed in that war?
Post by Quadibloc
In the case of Vietnam - and Korea - there _was_ the Cold War.
In Vietnam the French were trying to preserve a colony and couldn't so
somehow the US got sucked into trying to preserve it even though we
didn't want it.

And at the end it was "oops" and the Communists got it anyway. Would
have done my heart good to see the Kennedies and Johnsons lined up
against a wall.
Post by Quadibloc
But the whole idea of "done anything to _us_" is flawed. Done anything to *any
innocent victim* is the correct standard.
Not our job to solve other countries problems.
Post by Quadibloc
"Verily, I say unto thee: Whatsoever thou doest unto the least of My brethren, thou
hast done unto Me." - Matthew 25:40
So going to Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam from Communist invasion
was a good idea. Subverting South Vietnam's democratic government to get a
more pliable military regime, or My Lai, not so much.
You mean being in Vietnam to resist the Vietnamese trying to take back
their country from the European colonizers.
Post by Quadibloc
2) The term of office of the President of the United States of America is four years.
So? The one who got us into it is the one who needs to be punished,
not the ones who had to try as best the could to clean up his mess.
Post by Quadibloc
As well, the Twenty-Second Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents
a President from serving more than two terms.
So what? In an ideal world a President who sends American troops to
bully some tiny little country that doesn't want us there and did not
commit an act of agression against us should not finish the term in
which he did that.
Post by Quadibloc
However, in any case, I have good news for you.
It will not be necessary for the armed forces of the United States to mutiny
(hey, why just stop at killing innocent members of a President's family? Why
not become the government, as in so many other banana republics? I mean,
what with global warming, you might even be able to *grow* bananas in Florida
and California, where oranges grow now...) to accomplish your end.
He's not the President when they kill the bastard.
Post by Quadibloc
The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
thing.
But they don't have a means of stopping it.
Post by Quadibloc
So I suspect the United States government is going to think long and hard before
sending troops into some obscure and unfortunate corner of the world (but, were
there a God, Who loves *all* innocent thinking beings, no part of the world would be
forsaken by Him) in the future.
You are assuming that an elected official is capable of thought.
Post by Quadibloc
For the most part, this _is_ a good thing.
However, a retreat by the United States from actively ensuring the security of liberty
on a global basis has obvious potential bad consequences. If you lived in Israel,
Taiwan, or South Korea, I wouldn't have to explain them to you.
If the US is the only ally that Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea have
then they deserve whatever happens to them. And if the South Koreans,
with an economy 100 times that of North Korea, can't hammer them to
slag in short order, they've got something wrong with them.

The world got along just fine without the US policing it, and our
style of policing the world is no better than our style of policing
ourselves.
Quadibloc
2021-08-18 00:27:44 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
thing.
But they don't have a means of stopping it.
It's true they haven't _had_ a means of doing so, back when the Cold War had
rock-solid bipartisan support. However, as Trump getting elected proved, the
people of the U.S. are able to bring about radical political change through the
ballot box, should they be determined to do so.
Post by J. Clarke
If the US is the only ally that Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea have
then they deserve whatever happens to them. And if the South Koreans,
with an economy 100 times that of North Korea, can't hammer them to
slag in short order, they've got something wrong with them.
The previous Korean War went along quite well for a time, until
China intervened. China has the Bomb, South Korea doesn't. The
implications of this distinction seem not to be apparent to you.
Post by J. Clarke
The world got along just fine without the US policing it, and our
style of policing the world is no better than our style of policing
ourselves.
The world did get along just fine, for a certain value of "fine",
before 1914. However, we are not now living in that era.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-18 06:04:55 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
thing.
But they don't have a means of stopping it.
It's true they haven't _had_ a means of doing so, back when the Cold War had
rock-solid bipartisan support. However, as Trump getting elected proved, the
people of the U.S. are able to bring about radical political change through the
ballot box, should they be determined to do so.
If you call electing someone who makes Hammy the Squirrel look like
the epitome of sweet reason "radical political change". In point of
fact nothing about US politics changed.
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
If the US is the only ally that Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea have
then they deserve whatever happens to them. And if the South Koreans,
with an economy 100 times that of North Korea, can't hammer them to
slag in short order, they've got something wrong with them.
The previous Korean War went along quite well for a time, until
China intervened. China has the Bomb, South Korea doesn't. The
implications of this distinction seem not to be apparent to you.
If South Korea doesn't have the bomb and needs it that's on them. If
North Korea can do it, South Korea, with a vastly larger economy and a
real technological base, should have little trouble doing it.
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
The world got along just fine without the US policing it, and our
style of policing the world is no better than our style of policing
ourselves.
The world did get along just fine, for a certain value of "fine",
before 1914. However, we are not now living in that era.
Not our problem. If Europe burns because the Europeans are too cheap
to defend themselves, to Hell with them. Ditto Asia.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 22:09:48 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
election because he has proved himself a politician who
accomplished all the major promises he had made to
American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
the population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
(I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
_something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
One of these days the President is going to order the Army go
into some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like
to see them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some
godforsaken place and kill a bunch of people who have never done
anything to us only to be told 20 years down the road 'oops'.
Do you absolutely guarantee that that will not happen this time?
May we shoot you and your family if that promise is not kept?"
You do seem very fond of treason, yes. Very, very fond.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lawrence Watt-Evans
2021-08-17 21:23:57 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Andrew McDowell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
--
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Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 22:12:46 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
election because he has proved himself a politician who
accomplished all the major promises he had made to
American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
the population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
(I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
_something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
My brother was put into an artillery unit because his hearing was
already damaged on one side when he joined.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lynn McGuire
2021-08-17 23:11:48 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by J. Clarke
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
election because he has proved himself a politician who
accomplished all the major promises he had made to
American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
the population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
(I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
_something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
My brother was put into an artillery unit because his hearing was
already damaged on one side when he joined.
My former USMC son's MOS was gunner on a 81 mm mortar team. The gunner
does not wear hearing protection on one ear so they can hear the barrel
positioning commands. They do duck down below the top of the barrel to
try to escape the over pressure event as the mortar leaves the barrel.
The worst rounds are the lighting rounds as they have four rocket motors
on them. Yes, he has permanent hearing damage in the right ear. Some
day he will go to the VA and get a pair of hearing aids.

Lynn
J. Clarke
2021-08-18 00:12:29 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by J. Clarke
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
election because he has proved himself a politician who
accomplished all the major promises he had made to
American people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
the population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
(I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
_something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
My brother was put into an artillery unit because his hearing was
already damaged on one side when he joined.
My former USMC son's MOS was gunner on a 81 mm mortar team. The gunner
does not wear hearing protection on one ear so they can hear the barrel
positioning commands. They do duck down below the top of the barrel to
try to escape the over pressure event as the mortar leaves the barrel.
The worst rounds are the lighting rounds as they have four rocket motors
on them. Yes, he has permanent hearing damage in the right ear. Some
day he will go to the VA and get a pair of hearing aids.
My high school physics teacher was an instructor pilot on B-24s during
WWII. An instructor pilot generally has to have one side of the
headset off to hear things that aren't on the intercom. So she had
major hearing loss in one ear. As a reward for her service the
government pulled her pilot's license.
Paul S Person
2021-08-18 16:09:33 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Andrew McDowell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
Kipling's "Tommy" <http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_tommy.htm>
might almost have served as a model.

I became aware of "Tommy" because a mechanical Dudley Doright uses

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;

as one it it's three recorded bits of conversation in the one episode
he appears in.

Dubious treatment of soldiers is something that goes back a long long
way.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Robert Woodward
2021-08-18 05:00:18 UTC
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Post by Andrew McDowell
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-elec
tion-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious
of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover).
Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to
wipe out covid.
ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.
(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from
any Imperialist model)
What about Kipling's "Tommy"?
--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
—-----------------------------------------------------
Robert Woodward ***@drizzle.com
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 18:22:16 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people,
although he might have missed some small things, but did
accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win
-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Post by Jonathan
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
So,
(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?
rising in areas the Taliban has banned the vaccine. But not in
areas they haven't.
(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
Very much like it was on Sepember 10, 2001. Thanks to Biden's
puppeteers.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lynn McGuire
2021-08-17 18:51:30 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.

Lynn
Jonathan
2021-08-18 15:23:25 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
Lynn
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.

That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.
--
BIG LIE From Wiki - "The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler
when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-18 15:25:45 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people,
although he might have missed some small things, but did
accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-
win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
Lynn
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.
Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-08-18 17:27:34 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people,
although he might have missed some small things, but did
accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-
win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
Lynn
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.
Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
Hilariously, you actually believe that bullshit.
Jonathan
2021-08-18 22:08:02 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jonathan
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people,
although he might have missed some small things, but did
accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-
win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
Lynn
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.
Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
So you believed it?

Or did you mean to say "Sadly, it is implausible that you
are 100% serious"?
--
BIG LIE From Wiki - "The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler
when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-18 23:06:50 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jonathan
Post by Lynn McGuire
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
election because he has proved himself a politician who
accomplished all the major promises he had made to American
people, although he might have missed some small things,
but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible
that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past
will once again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
l- win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
Lynn
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.
Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
So you believed it?
I believe that you beliee what you poated.
Post by Jonathan
Or did you mean to say "Sadly, it is implausible that you
are 100% serious"?
it is entirely plausible, because you say shit that stupid and
deranged all the time.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-08-18 23:10:57 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jonathan
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
That way Fauci can have time to finish his book
before it's over.
Sadly, it is implausible that you are not 100% serious.
So you believed it?
I believe that you beliee what you poated.
Post by Jonathan
Or did you mean to say "Sadly, it is implausible that you
are 100% serious"?
it is entirely plausible, because you say shit that stupid and
deranged all the time.
Interesting.

Because you say "all the time" that people with whom you disagree are
"subhuman" and should be "put down".
Quadibloc
2021-09-06 06:48:13 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.
I heard Fauci and the Reptilian Elite are close to
producing a far more contagious strain to release
upon the world, called the Omegaredstates Strain.
I was thinking of this thread when I read a news item
about the mu variant, detected in Colombia, which,
unlike the delta variant, appears not to be hindered much
by existing vaccines.

Now, I read that the mu variant has been detected in 47
states, as well as the District of Columbia. I suppose that
is hardly surprising, as border controls can't seem to
even keep cocaine from Colombia out. (Nebraska,
South Dakota, and Vermont are the states in which it has
not yet been detected.)

If it is that widespread in the United States already,
I have no doubt that it has also reached Canada by now,
but I haven't seen any news about that yet.

John Savard
Quadibloc
2021-09-06 06:52:31 UTC
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If it is that widespread in the United States already,
I have no doubt that it has also reached Canada by now,
but I haven't seen any news about that yet.
I have been able to confirm that the mu variant has
been detected in Canada, but not to find a breakdown
by province of cases.

John Savard
Paul S Person
2021-09-06 15:21:25 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
If it is that widespread in the United States already,
I have no doubt that it has also reached Canada by now,
but I haven't seen any news about that yet.
I have been able to confirm that the mu variant has
been detected in Canada, but not to find a breakdown
by province of cases.
The real questions to answer here may be:

-- how infectious is it?
-- how lethal is it?

I find myself agreeing with the view that the only long-term solution
is for this puppy to become "just another flu virus", and about as
lethal.

Meanwhile, a recent news article tells us that, here, unvaccinated
people are /49 times as likely/ to be hospitalized, and /25 times as
likely to die/, from (mostly, if not entirely) delta than vaccinated
people are. But only 7 times more likely to test positive for it.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Quadibloc
2021-09-06 22:12:51 UTC
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I find myself agreeing with the view that the only long-term solution
is for this puppy to become "just another flu virus", and about as
lethal.
That is the solution that evolution will eventually provide. How long that will
take, and how many people will die in the meantime, however, is the question.
Had humanity taken appropriate actions, the numbers could have been kept
smaller, and continuing to take actions to restrict its spread will reduce the
impact of the disease, and hasten the end of the pandemic.

John Savard
Robert Carnegie
2021-09-07 12:15:44 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
I find myself agreeing with the view that the only long-term solution
is for this puppy to become "just another flu virus", and about as
lethal.
That is the solution that evolution will eventually provide. How long that will
take, and how many people will die in the meantime, however, is the question.
Had humanity taken appropriate actions, the numbers could have been kept
smaller, and continuing to take actions to restrict its spread will reduce the
impact of the disease, and hasten the end of the pandemic.
It remains unclear that the pandemic will "end"
in the sense of the disease ceasing to exist worldwide.
Roughly speaking, when a disease is here to stay, it is
"endemic", not "pandemic". I think that technically,
doing nothing about it would have got the surviving
population to "endemic" faster, but that isn't what
we want. With obvious exceptions.
Paul S Person
2021-09-07 15:09:27 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
I find myself agreeing with the view that the only long-term solution
is for this puppy to become "just another flu virus", and about as
lethal.
That is the solution that evolution will eventually provide. How long that will
take, and how many people will die in the meantime, however, is the question.
Had humanity taken appropriate actions, the numbers could have been kept
smaller, and continuing to take actions to restrict its spread will reduce the
impact of the disease, and hasten the end of the pandemic.
Only by tighter controls and more economic problems.

I agreed (and still agree) with masks/distancing/vaccines, but only as
a way to /flatten the curve/ and avoid Italian triage.

Eventually, we will see statistics on, say, suicides and the
restrictions. And other economic effects will, no doubt, be studied as
well.

I should note the we are already seeing the occasional report of
people dying because the bed they need is not available close enough
to them to do any good. They aren't necessarily dying of COVID-19,
either -- no beds means no beds and other conditions that can kill in
that situation exist.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Paul S Person
2021-09-08 15:32:18 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Paul S Person
I find myself agreeing with the view that the only long-term solution
is for this puppy to become "just another flu virus", and about as
lethal.
That is the solution that evolution will eventually provide. How long that will
take, and how many people will die in the meantime, however, is the question.
Had humanity taken appropriate actions, the numbers could have been kept
smaller, and continuing to take actions to restrict its spread will reduce the
impact of the disease, and hasten the end of the pandemic.
Only by tighter controls and more economic problems.
I agreed (and still agree) with masks/distancing/vaccines, but only as
a way to /flatten the curve/ and avoid Italian triage.
Eventually, we will see statistics on, say, suicides and the
restrictions. And other economic effects will, no doubt, be studied as
well.
I should note the we are already seeing the occasional report of
people dying because the bed they need is not available close enough
to them to do any good. They aren't necessarily dying of COVID-19,
either -- no beds means no beds and other conditions that can kill in
that situation exist.
Speaking of Italian triage, Idaho has instituted Crisis Standards of
Care, which sounds very similar.

And our State is so stressed that accepting patients from Idaho can
not be guaranteed. Which will require some very hard decisions from
hospitals near Idaho, who work closely with them in normal times.

The various sports teams are requiring proof of vaccination or a
recent not-at-home-or-self-administered test showing the person is
virus-free for admission to the stadium. Or will be when their seasons
or post-seasons open.

And our county is contemplating /requiring/ proof of vaccination for
those wishing to patronize "non-essential businesses". No word yet on
which businesses those might be. Or how this is to be enforced.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jonathan
2021-08-17 21:34:54 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview
"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..
John Savard
I'm sure like Putin, Kim John Un, Ergodan and Xi the Taliban
would have loved to see Trump reelected.

All you have to do is stroke his ego to get whatever you want.

15 times Donald Trump praised authoritarian rulers
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/donald-trump-dictators-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin/index.html
--
BIG LIE From Wiki - "The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler
when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 18:16:03 UTC
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Biden's (puppeteers') lack of planning on the abandonment of at least
some Americans and pretty much all our allies in Afganistan will
directly result in thousands of deaths. These people were *betrayed*
by Biden (puppeteers) criminal stupidity, criminal negligence, of
deliberate plan.

People should hang over how they've handlded this.

And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Quadibloc
2021-08-17 21:47:15 UTC
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People should hang over how they've handlded this.
And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe Biden was unable to choose,
instead, to continue the fight for another several years...

The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.

This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...

I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as well, as he is a bit older than I
am, or you and Trump wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.

John Savard
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 22:08:54 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
People should hang over how they've handlded this.
And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe
Biden was unable to choose, instead, to continue the fight for
another several years...
Not relevant to *how* it was handled.
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of
time, as it would cause panic. So Biden believed that the Afghan
forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
The intellgience community certainly has some people who should
hang for their failures, too.
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S.
soldiers, have their wives and children *living in Afghanistan*.
As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
Nothing can be blamed on Biden, who is too senile to know whether
or not he's wearing pants.

His puppeteers shoule be criminally prosecuted for their choices.
I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as
well, as he is a bit older than I am, or you and Trump wouldn't
be able to accuse him of senility.
His senility is obvious every time anything goes even slightly off
script. You don't see it because you choose not to.

None of that is relevant to *how* his puppeteers have gotten
thousands of people murdered under circumstances they had to have
known would result in exactly that.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lynn McGuire
2021-08-17 23:25:36 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
People should hang over how they've handlded this.
And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe Biden was unable to choose,
instead, to continue the fight for another several years...
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as well, as he is a bit older than I
am, or you and Trump wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.
John Savard
Are you familiar with what Trump did to the rebels in Syria ? Trump
bombed their convoys until they quit running around causing trouble. He
did the same thing to the Syrian government.

Trump told the Taliban that he was going to do the same thing to them if
they did not let people leave in an orderly fashion. Biden is too
senile to have the guts to carry out the pledge.

Lynn
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 23:36:51 UTC
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On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
People should hang over how they've handlded this.
And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe
Biden was unable to choose, instead, to continue the fight for
another several years...
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of
time, as it would cause panic. So Biden believed that the
Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of
Americans.
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S.
soldiers, have their wives and children *living in
Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to
as well, as he is a bit older than I am, or you and Trump
wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.
John Savard
Are you familiar with what Trump did to the rebels in Syria ?
Trump bombed their convoys until they quit running around
causing trouble. He did the same thing to the Syrian
government.
Trump told the Taliban that he was going to do the same thing to
them if they did not let people leave in an orderly fashion.
Biden is too senile to have the guts to carry out the pledge.
And it is entirely plausible that the current administration
*intends* for anyone who cooperated with the Trump administration
to be brutally murdered.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
J. Clarke
2021-08-18 00:17:06 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
People should hang over how they've handlded this.
And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe Biden was unable to choose,
instead, to continue the fight for another several years...
Excuse me, but Trump is not the President, Biden is. And Biden could
have found a justification to repudiate Trump's deal.
Post by Quadibloc
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.
Post by Quadibloc
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
If the President of the United States, who has been a politician for
nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8 years, and before that
was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years, is
_that_ naive we need to give up on this "democracy" nonsense.
Post by Quadibloc
I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as well, as he is a bit older than I
am, or you and Trump wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.
John Savard
Quadibloc
2021-08-18 00:40:55 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.
Post by Quadibloc
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
If the President of the United States, who has been a politician for
nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8 years, and before that
was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years, is
_that_ naive we need to give up on this "democracy" nonsense.
I must admit you have a point.

I suppose I was thinking that allowing deliberate lies in this area, for the
sake of diplomacy and convention, rather than attempting to open a
rather complicated can of worms, would just make things similar.

American money was spent on military equipment given to Afghan forces.

The reason for this was simple enough: so that not all the fighting and
dying would be done by American boys.

While there were young women in Afghanistan who welcomed progress,
I suppose most of the adult males in Afghanistan... wanted a conservative
Muslim nation, not _quite_ as strict as what the Taliban would impose,
but close enough that they might indeed have found it preferable
to a *corrupt* pro-Western government.

But basically, the cause of Afghanistan's immediate downfall is the same
as that of South Vietnam's: while it might have seemed that the nation
had the military capability of winning the war, there was no certainty
that the enemy would not be able to obtain additional resources from
outside...

and there was the apparent certainty that, with the United States out,
if things _did_ "go south", there would be nothing to stop it.

So the apparent logic was: surrender now, avoid the rush.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-18 06:07:12 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.
Post by Quadibloc
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
If the President of the United States, who has been a politician for
nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8 years, and before that
was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years, is
_that_ naive we need to give up on this "democracy" nonsense.
I must admit you have a point.
I suppose I was thinking that allowing deliberate lies in this area, for the
sake of diplomacy and convention, rather than attempting to open a
rather complicated can of worms, would just make things similar.
American money was spent on military equipment given to Afghan forces.
The reason for this was simple enough: so that not all the fighting and
dying would be done by American boys.
While there were young women in Afghanistan who welcomed progress,
I suppose most of the adult males in Afghanistan... wanted a conservative
Muslim nation, not _quite_ as strict as what the Taliban would impose,
but close enough that they might indeed have found it preferable
to a *corrupt* pro-Western government.
But basically, the cause of Afghanistan's immediate downfall is the same
as that of South Vietnam's: while it might have seemed that the nation
had the military capability of winning the war, there was no certainty
that the enemy would not be able to obtain additional resources from
outside...
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as Vietnam.
The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and to them the
highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans out of their
country.
Post by Quadibloc
and there was the apparent certainty that, with the United States out,
if things _did_ "go south", there would be nothing to stop it.
So the apparent logic was: surrender now, avoid the rush.
John Savard
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-18 15:23:14 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:17:10 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
Post by J. Clarke
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of
time, as it would cause panic. So Biden believed that the
Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of
Americans.
Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.
Post by Quadibloc
This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike
U.S. soldiers, have their wives and children *living in
Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
If the President of the United States, who has been a
politician for nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8
years, and before that was head of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee for 12 years, is _that_ naive we need to
give up on this "democracy" nonsense.
I must admit you have a point.
I suppose I was thinking that allowing deliberate lies in this
area, for the sake of diplomacy and convention, rather than
attempting to open a rather complicated can of worms, would just
make things similar.
American money was spent on military equipment given to Afghan
forces.
The reason for this was simple enough: so that not all the
fighting and dying would be done by American boys.
While there were young women in Afghanistan who welcomed
progress, I suppose most of the adult males in Afghanistan...
wanted a conservative Muslim nation, not _quite_ as strict as
what the Taliban would impose, but close enough that they might
indeed have found it preferable to a *corrupt* pro-Western
government.
But basically, the cause of Afghanistan's immediate downfall is
the same as that of South Vietnam's: while it might have seemed
that the nation had the military capability of winning the war,
there was no certainty that the enemy would not be able to
obtain additional resources from outside...
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and
to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans
out of their country.
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold into
sexual slavery would agree with you.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Quadibloc
2021-08-18 15:55:53 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and
to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans
out of their country.
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold into
sexual slavery would agree with you.
I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's irrelevant as
a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the adult males who made up
the personnel of the Afghan military units - so many of which folded so
quickly - wanted that explains what happened.

I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they would have
a preference other than a Taliban victory. A genuinely democratic
government that was not corrupt - Islamic, but not excessively strict.

However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt in a poor
country. Latin America can't even manage it for the most part.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-18 16:51:30 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by J. Clarke
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved and
to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid Americans
out of their country.
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold into
sexual slavery would agree with you.
I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's irrelevant as
a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the adult males who made up
the personnel of the Afghan military units - so many of which folded so
quickly - wanted that explains what happened.
I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they would have
a preference other than a Taliban victory. A genuinely democratic
government that was not corrupt - Islamic, but not excessively strict.
However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt in a poor
country. Latin America can't even manage it for the most part.
Note that in Japan 12 year old girls voluntarily enter into sexual
slavery for certain values of "slavery". This is completely legal in
the less touristy areas of the country--the tourist traps have raised
the age though so as not to offend the tourists.

The fact that _you_ find this distasteful doesn't mean that the 12
year old girls in question find it so. Perhaps the ones in
Afghanistan do, perhaps they don't. I haven't discussed the matter
with any of them nor have a seen a poll of them so anything I say is
speculation. If you have discussed it with them or polled them please
share.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-18 17:46:51 UTC
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On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by J. Clarke
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved
and to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid
Americans out of their country.
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold
into sexual slavery would agree with you.
I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's
irrelevant as a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the
adult males who made up the personnel of the Afghan military
units - so many of which folded so quickly - wanted that
explains what happened.
I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they
would have a preference other than a Taliban victory. A
genuinely democratic government that was not corrupt - Islamic,
but not excessively strict.
However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt
in a poor country. Latin America can't even manage it for the
most part.
Note that in Japan 12 year old girls voluntarily enter into
sexual slavery for certain values of "slavery".
Afghanistan isn't Japan, and the civilized world considers that
barbaric in Japan, too.
Post by J. Clarke
This is
completely legal in the less touristy areas of the country--the
tourist traps have raised the age though so as not to offend the
tourists.
The fact that _you_ find this distasteful doesn't mean that the
12 year old girls in question find it so.
Do the Japanese girls get to watch their entire family brutally
murdered in front of them first? One descript was "hung, his
Defense Department ID melted into his chest, and his arms chopped
off." In front of the 12 year old.

Does *that* happen in Japan?
Post by J. Clarke
Perhaps the ones in
Afghanistan do, perhaps they don't. I haven't discussed the
matter with any of them nor have a seen a poll of them so
anything I say is speculation. If you have discussed it with
them or polled them please share.
If they have been conditioned to "not find distasteful" being raped
and sold into sexual slavery at the age of 12 after watching their
entire family brutally tortured to death in front of them, that
makes it OK in your book?

You are literally subhuman, and should be put down as a dangerous
animal.

Like the Taliban.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-08-18 18:44:23 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:55:53 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by J. Clarke
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved
and to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid
Americans out of their country.
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold
into sexual slavery would agree with you.
I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's
irrelevant as a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the
adult males who made up the personnel of the Afghan military
units - so many of which folded so quickly - wanted that
explains what happened.
I think that if even the adult males had their druthers, they
would have a preference other than a Taliban victory. A
genuinely democratic government that was not corrupt - Islamic,
but not excessively strict.
However, it's very hard to have a government that isn't corrupt
in a poor country. Latin America can't even manage it for the
most part.
Note that in Japan 12 year old girls voluntarily enter into
sexual slavery for certain values of "slavery".
Afghanistan isn't Japan, and the civilized world considers that
barbaric in Japan, too.
Post by J. Clarke
This is
completely legal in the less touristy areas of the country--the
tourist traps have raised the age though so as not to offend the
tourists.
The fact that _you_ find this distasteful doesn't mean that the
12 year old girls in question find it so.
Do the Japanese girls get to watch their entire family brutally
murdered in front of them first? One descript was "hung, his
Defense Department ID melted into his chest, and his arms chopped
off." In front of the 12 year old.
Does *that* happen in Japan?
Post by J. Clarke
Perhaps the ones in
Afghanistan do, perhaps they don't. I haven't discussed the
matter with any of them nor have a seen a poll of them so
anything I say is speculation. If you have discussed it with
them or polled them please share.
If they have been conditioned to "not find distasteful" being raped
and sold into sexual slavery at the age of 12 after watching their
entire family brutally tortured to death in front of them, that
makes it OK in your book?
You are literally subhuman, and should be put down as a dangerous
animal.
Like the Taliban.
There is no more eloquent support for firearms background checks than
the fact that you're absolutely serious about calling people with whom
you disagree "literally subhuman" and deserving of death.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-18 17:43:08 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by J. Clarke
The cause of Afghanistan's downfall was exactly the same as
Vietnam. The people we were "saving" didn't want to be saved
and to them the highest good was getting the damned stupid
Americans out of their country.
I'm skeptical that the 12 year old girls currently being sold
into sexual slavery would agree with you.
I would agree with that statement, but I would also say it's
irrelevant as a reply to J. Clarke's statement. It's what the
adult males who made up the personnel of the Afghan military
units - so many of which folded so quickly - wanted that
explains what happened.
If he were talking about the adult males in the Afghan military, he
should have said that instead of "the people we were 'saving'".

He made braod, sweeping statment, and it was *stupid*.

Which is par for the course with Clarke. He has no clue what's
happening in Afghanistan right now, and doesn't want to.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-17 18:16:42 UTC
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Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so he's
twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2021-08-18 16:18:52 UTC
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so he's
twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans 11-12
years to the Dem's 8-9.

And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the Taliban
was evicted.

And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get any
Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he /is/ a racist.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Paul S Person
2021-08-19 16:26:57 UTC
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:53:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.
The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
been a mistake, too.
An attitude that absolutely /reeks/ of the White Man's Burden.

We went in to get Al Queda and Bin Laden. That is no problem.

Then the /Republican/ in charge decided to stay. A Republican, I might
add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of "planning".
But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
Post by Paul S Person
And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
Taliban was evicted.
And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.
A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's par
for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was *criminal*.
Trump would not have done any better. No matter what Pompous may say.

Trump, it now appears, completely shut down the process set up by
Obama for issuing Visas to Afghanis who had helped us. Well, they
weren't Norwegian, were they.

And rabid Trump supporters are already objecting to rescuing any of
them because they are "all terrorists".

Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America Grovel
Again".

He appears to have succeeded.
Post by Paul S Person
And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get
any Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he /is/
a racist.
Was that why Al Sharpton recognized him for his contributions to
racial harmony? Why he got awards from multiple Jewish gropus?
They weren't trying to enter the country; they were already here. Had
they been doing so, his racism would have come out.

Also, he was looking for votes. Turns out he could have used them in
2020.
Or is it, perhaps, that he is racist only <bot-speak snipped>
His first two travel bans were so clearly racist that the courts
suspended them. It took a third try to get one proposed that passed
legal muster.

Racism has many targets. Trump's was fixated on immigrants. Unless
they were Norwegian, of course.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-19 17:13:05 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:53:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.
The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
been a mistake, too.
An attitude that absolutely /reeks/ of the White Man's Burden.
We went in to get Al Queda and Bin Laden. That is no problem.
Then the /Republican/ in charge decided to stay.
And a Democrat after him decided to stay, too.
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of
"planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?

Planning like that?
Post by Paul S Person
But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
Post by Paul S Person
And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
Taliban was evicted.
And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.
A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's
par for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was
*criminal*.
Trump would not have done any better. No matter what Pompous may say.
Trump would have listened to his military advisors, as he did
previously.

He also wouldn't have abandoned tens of thousands of Americans as
hostages to terrorists.
Post by Paul S Person
Trump, it now appears, completely shut down the process set up
by Obama for issuing Visas to Afghanis who had helped us. Well,
they weren't Norwegian, were they.
And Biden('s puppeteers) gave the Taliban tens of thousands of
hostages. On purpose.
Post by Paul S Person
And rabid Trump supporters are already objecting to rescuing any
of them because they are "all terrorists".
And Biden('s puppeteers) flat refuse to make any attempt to rescue
the tends of thousands of hostages they abandoned to the Taliban.
They have held press conferences on it.
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
And I wouldn't be too sure Trump would even have tried to get
any Afghans out. After all, they aren't Norwegians, and he
/is/ a racist.
Was that why Al Sharpton recognized him for his contributions to
racial harmony? Why he got awards from multiple Jewish gropus?
They weren't trying to enter the country; they were already
here. Had they been doing so, his racism would have come out.
Nice dodge, hypocrite.
Post by Paul S Person
Also, he was looking for votes. Turns out he could have used
them in 2020.
Most of those awards came before he had any pretentiosn to running
for office. (And he never expected, or wanted, to *win*. He just
wanted to get close.)
Post by Paul S Person
Or is it, perhaps, that he is racist only <bot-speak snipped>
His first two travel bans were so clearly racist that the courts
suspended them. It took a third try to get one proposed that
passed legal muster.
Only in your diseased imagination.
Post by Paul S Person
Racism has many targets. Trump's was fixated on immigrants.
Unless they were Norwegian, of course.
And Biden('s puppeteers) have literally given tens of thousands of
hostages to the Taliban. On purpose. Try to chagne the subject all
you want, they *intended* this.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-08-19 17:16:38 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:53:33 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 11:16:42 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so
he's twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.
Bush 2 has to be considered also ... giving the Republicans
11-12 years to the Dem's 8-9.
The first mistake was the decision to go into Afghanistan on any
basis other than 'we're keeping it permanently, because it will
take a century or more to change the culture enough for it to
coexist with civilized countries," and that probably would have
been a mistake, too.
An attitude that absolutely /reeks/ of the White Man's Burden.
We went in to get Al Queda and Bin Laden. That is no problem.
Then the /Republican/ in charge decided to stay.
And a Democrat after him decided to stay, too.
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of
"planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Planning like that?
So you're claiming that under Trump, no one did any planning for the
withdrawal...

...that Trump promised he'd be doing?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
But once we're in there, withdrawing has a price, and that price
will be paid in American lives, one way or another. Or both.
Post by Paul S Person
And, BTW, it was a /Republican/ who decided to stay after the
Taliban was evicted.
And it was Biden('s puppeteers) who decided to withdraw in a way
that they *must* have known would result in the brutal deaths of
thousand of Afghanis and probably hundres of Americans.
A lot of political mistakes were made from day one, and that's
par for the course, The mishandling of the withdrawal was
*criminal*.
Trump would not have done any better. No matter what Pompous may say.
Trump would have listened to his military advisors, as he did
previously.
But he ordered them not to plan anything?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
He also wouldn't have abandoned tens of thousands of Americans as
hostages to terrorists.
Yeah. He would totally have done that.
<snip>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Racism has many targets. Trump's was fixated on immigrants.
Unless they were Norwegian, of course.
And Biden('s puppeteers) have literally given tens of thousands of
hostages to the Taliban. On purpose. Try to chagne the subject all
you want, they *intended* this.
You're dangerously delusional
Titus G
2021-08-20 02:11:51 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far as I can
tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and vocal? Where is the
promised violence? Why aren't the re-education camps achieving their
objectives?
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-20 15:47:51 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
re-education camps achieving their objectives?
Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
There are between 10,000 and 40,000 Americans trapped in the coutry
as hostages, and the administration has no intention of doing
anything to get them out. Insider reports from the airport in Kabul
say that US military (the officers, the enelisted are ready to
mutity) are actively trying to prevent British troops from rescuing
their countrymen and allies and bring them to the airport for
evacuation.

It is very clear this was all *by* *intent*.

Biden('s puppeteers) ran on a platform of destroying American, and
they're succeeding.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-08-21 15:11:10 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Titus G
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
re-education camps achieving their objectives?
Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
LOL!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
There are between 10,000 and 40,000 Americans trapped in the coutry
as hostages, and the administration has no intention of doing
anything to get them out. Insider reports from the airport in Kabul
"Insiders"!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
say that US military (the officers, the enelisted are ready to
mutity) are actively trying to prevent British troops from rescuing
their countrymen and allies and bring them to the airport for
evacuation.
LOL!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
It is very clear this was all *by* *intent*.
Biden('s puppeteers) ran on a platform of destroying American, and
they're succeeding.
Seek mental help.
Paul S Person
2021-08-21 16:15:08 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Titus G
snip
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
re-education camps achieving their objectives?
Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
LOL!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
There are between 10,000 and 40,000 Americans trapped in the coutry
as hostages, and the administration has no intention of doing
anything to get them out. Insider reports from the airport in Kabul
"Insiders"!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
say that US military (the officers, the enelisted are ready to
mutity) are actively trying to prevent British troops from rescuing
their countrymen and allies and bring them to the airport for
evacuation.
LOL!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
It is very clear this was all *by* *intent*.
Biden('s puppeteers) ran on a platform of destroying American, and
they're succeeding.
Seek mental help.
He's projecting what Trump would have done onto Biden. And upset that
Biden is actually recueing people, something Trump would never have
done.

Would that /Trump/ had had handlers! They might have kept him from
negotiating with terrorists, in defiance of US policy.

The correctness of that policy become clearer every day.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Titus G
2021-08-21 23:09:22 UTC
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Post by Titus G
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
re-education camps achieving their objectives?
Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
LOL!
The US military ran away from Baghram airport at 3 in the morning in
late June without informing the puppet Afghani government leaving behind
3.5 million objects, all itemised by the departing military. Tens of
thousands of water bottles, energy drinks, military ready-made meals,
thousands of civilian vehicles, hundreds of armoured vehicles, small
weapons and ammunition.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/06/afghan-anger-over-uss-sudden-silent-bagram-departure
Alan Baker
2021-08-22 13:30:47 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Titus G
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
re-education camps achieving their objectives?
Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
LOL!
The US military ran away from Baghram airport at 3 in the morning in
late June without informing the puppet Afghani government leaving behind
3.5 million objects, all itemised by the departing military. Tens of
thousands of water bottles, energy drinks, military ready-made meals,
thousands of civilian vehicles, hundreds of armoured vehicles, small
weapons and ammunition.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/06/afghan-anger-over-uss-sudden-silent-bagram-departure
'Jan. 15, 2021, at 10:30 a.m.

Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller announced Friday the U.S.
had withdrawn forces in Iraq and Afghanistan down to 2,500 in each
conflict zone, following through on an unusual major policy shift
announced during a lame duck period and indicating that the
circumstances on the ground will likely create problems for the incoming
Biden administration.'

<https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-administration-confirms-withdrawals-from-iraq-afghanistan-days-before-inauguration>

'Critics of the plan, including those who spent most of their careers in
Afghanistan and neighboring countries, say it ignores the deteriorating
security situation on the ground as the Taliban continues to lay waste
to fledgling local forces whose capabilities have diminished with fewer
U.S. resources to back them up.'
Paul S Person
2021-08-22 16:03:18 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Titus G
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Titus G
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
Trump campaigned, in part, on the promise to "Make America
Grovel Again".
And Biden('s puppeteers) campaigned on the promise to destroy
America.
Post by Paul S Person
He appears to have succeeded.
Biden('s puppeteers) certainly are succeeding.
Do you have any statistics to support that claim because as far
as I can tell there are still many Trump supporters alive and
vocal? Where is the promised violence? Why aren't the
re-education camps achieving their objectives?
Biden('s puppeteers) have unconditionally surrended to the Taliban.
LOL!
The US military ran away from Baghram airport at 3 in the morning in
late June without informing the puppet Afghani government leaving behind
3.5 million objects, all itemised by the departing military. Tens of
thousands of water bottles, energy drinks, military ready-made meals,
thousands of civilian vehicles, hundreds of armoured vehicles, small
weapons and ammunition.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/06/afghan-anger-over-uss-sudden-silent-bagram-departure
'Jan. 15, 2021, at 10:30 a.m.
Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller announced Friday the U.S.
had withdrawn forces in Iraq and Afghanistan down to 2,500 in each
conflict zone, following through on an unusual major policy shift
announced during a lame duck period and indicating that the
circumstances on the ground will likely create problems for the incoming
Biden administration.'
<https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-administration-confirms-withdrawals-from-iraq-afghanistan-days-before-inauguration>
Well, what do you expect from Trump?
Post by Alan Baker
'Critics of the plan, including those who spent most of their careers in
Afghanistan and neighboring countries, say it ignores the deteriorating
security situation on the ground as the Taliban continues to lay waste
to fledgling local forces whose capabilities have diminished with fewer
U.S. resources to back them up.'
It is very interesting that, after 20 years of "nation building", the
Afghan forces are "fledglings".

And building a local military that depends on US resources is /not/ a
form of "nation building". It is a form of "dependency making".

So, making them an actual colony no longer being acceptable, the goal
was to make them a dependency?
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Quadibloc
2021-08-27 20:26:06 UTC
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Why aren't the re-education camps achieving their
objectives?
Because the human spirit is indomitable! Try to brainwash those
who cherish the flame of liberty in their hearts, and they will just
become more determined to fight Communist enslavement!

Oh, sorry, these were nonexistent Democratic re-education camps.

They're obviously not accomplishing their objectives because they
don't exist!

But in any case, with the recent news of an explosion at Kabul
airport that cost the lives of several American servicemen, the
decision to withdraw from Afghanistan _now_ looks like a
strategic masterstroke, even though I thought it was a bad idea
all along.

Apparently, left to themselves, the Taliban and ISIS are going to
fight a war with each other, thus, with any luck, ridding the world
of two nuisances. Now if we could only get Russia and China to
do the same - but it seems like they're best buddies right now,
although one YouTube news channel from India seems to harbor
hopes otherwise.

John Savard
Kevrob
2021-08-28 05:18:17 UTC
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Post by Titus G
Why aren't the re-education camps achieving their
objectives?
Because the human spirit is indomitable! Try to brainwash those
who cherish the flame of liberty in their hearts, and they will just
become more determined to fight Communist enslavement!
Oh, sorry, these were nonexistent Democratic re-education camps.
They're obviously not accomplishing their objectives because they
don't exist!
But in any case, with the recent news of an explosion at Kabul
airport that cost the lives of several American servicemen, the
decision to withdraw from Afghanistan _now_ looks like a
strategic masterstroke, even though I thought it was a bad idea
all along.
Apparently, left to themselves, the Taliban and ISIS are going to
fight a war with each other, thus, with any luck, ridding the world
of two nuisances. Now if we could only get Russia and China to
do the same - but it seems like they're best buddies right now,
although one YouTube news channel from India seems to harbor
hopes otherwise.
I'm very glad wishing can't be depended on. Wars between large, or
even great powers have a tendency to get out of hand and drag others
into the fray. War between two nuclear powers is something really
to be avoided, if possible.
--
Kevin R
Quadibloc
2021-08-28 08:43:02 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Apparently, left to themselves, the Taliban and ISIS are going to
fight a war with each other, thus, with any luck, ridding the world
of two nuisances. Now if we could only get Russia and China to
do the same - but it seems like they're best buddies right now,
although one YouTube news channel from India seems to harbor
hopes otherwise.
I'm very glad wishing can't be depended on. Wars between large, or
even great powers have a tendency to get out of hand and drag others
into the fray. War between two nuclear powers is something really
to be avoided, if possible.
That's true, but especially a war between the United States and either
Russia or China is to be avoided. China and Russia destroying each
other would certainly be _one_ way to avoid that, but indeed not the
most desirable. Even Allan Drury's book, _The Promise of Joy_, had
Japan being destroyed by fallout blowing from China (perhaps to
eliminate the _other_ threatening competitor of the U.S.?).

The thing is, though, we can't depend on either Russia or China to be
peaceful. Russia has invaded two democracies, Georgia and the
Ukraine, and is propping up the dictatorship in Belarus that forced down
an Irish airplane. China is continuing to harass and threaten Taiwan.

As these countries are creating conditions that may eventually lead
to the ultimate disaster of a war with the United States, something that
could head that danger off would seem to be a less bad alternative.

However, I see war between Russia and China as extremely unlikely;
both regimes see clearly where their interests lie, and thus they both
see the United States in particular, and the West in general, as their
enemy - *not* each other. Nothing the West can do will break up that
alliance, and they're not likely to make any mis-steps that will do so
either.

John Savard
Paul S Person
2021-08-28 16:28:57 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Titus G
Why aren't the re-education camps achieving their
objectives?
Because the human spirit is indomitable! Try to brainwash those
who cherish the flame of liberty in their hearts, and they will just
become more determined to fight Communist enslavement!
Oh, sorry, these were nonexistent Democratic re-education camps.
They're obviously not accomplishing their objectives because they
don't exist!
But in any case, with the recent news of an explosion at Kabul
airport that cost the lives of several American servicemen, the
decision to withdraw from Afghanistan _now_ looks like a
strategic masterstroke, even though I thought it was a bad idea
all along.
Apparently, left to themselves, the Taliban and ISIS are going to
fight a war with each other, thus, with any luck, ridding the world
of two nuisances.
What makes you believe that?

Everything I read -- regardless of wing -- makes it clear that the
Taliban is either:
a) not actually in control of /itself/ [1], and so cannot possibly
hope to be in control of anything else; or
b) is running a confidence game in hopes of being recognized, given
access to Afghanistan's funds (mostly, apparently, in safe-keeping in
NYC [2]) and then resuming it's terrorist activities, having once
again bamboozled the rest of the world.

The /preferred/ possibility
c) they are serious and will therefore have no choice but to suppress
ISIS (and al-Qaeda and so on) inside Afghanistan, control their own
people, and man up to the point of providing minimal human rights
seems very unlikely, preferable as it is.

OTOH, they may be fighting mujahiddin for a while. Perhaps they will
fall into the "we hold the cities, why aren't we in control of the
nation?" trap.

[1] That is, the people speaking for them and claiming to be a
better-behaved Taliban mean what they say, but since the Taliban
consists of Muslim extremists, each of them believing that he,
personally, is charged by God to enforce God's laws as he (the Taliban
member, not God) understands them and certainly not as the wimpy
girly-men in charge would have him do, the top-level are more likely
to be replaced by more traditional types than manage to control their
followers' on-the-ground behavior.

This is where the difference between "the military" and "an armed mob"
becomes apparent.

[2] Yeah, I saw /Die Hard With A Vengeance/ too. Perhaps the heist at
its center was based on at least some sort of fiscal reality.
Post by Quadibloc
Now if we could only get Russia and China to
do the same - but it seems like they're best buddies right now,
although one YouTube news channel from India seems to harbor
hopes otherwise.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Hamish Laws
2021-08-28 08:09:19 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of
"planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to withdraw signed in Feb 2020...
and here's a a presidential address from July 8
"THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.

When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.

Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."

Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
Paul S Person
2021-08-28 16:33:51 UTC
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Post by Hamish Laws
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept of
"planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to withdraw signed in Feb 2020...
and here's a a presidential address from July 8
"THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
Something I suspect the three (?from memory?) Senate committees who
plan to look into the fiasco will, no doubt, be exploring.

Along with Biden not starting the evacuation of Afghani helpers on,
say, 1/22/21.

Trump may have shut down the special Visa section Obama set up for
them, but that doesn't mean the US military didn't know who they were
and which could be evacuated without disrupting operations.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-28 16:48:55 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept
of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to withdraw
signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential address from
July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was
briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on
the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces and allied forces in
Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out
by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August
31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was
sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of the
night without warning to people put at risk by it" part, leavning
an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal hostages to
terrorists. On purpose.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2021-08-29 00:08:10 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
A Republican, I might add, who showed us a few years later had
/no/ concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to withdraw
signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential address from July
8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by
our senior military and national security leaders on the status of
the drawdown of U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out by
September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of the>
night without warning to people put at risk by it" part, leavning an
estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal hostages to
terrorists. On purpose.
Except for the little fact that it was never anywhere NEAR 10,000;
forget 20,000:

'Now, many of you have asked how many U.S. citizens remain in
Afghanistan who want to leave the country. Based on our analysis,
starting on August 14 when our evacuation operations began, there was
then a population of as many as 6,000 American citizens in Afghanistan
who wanted to leave.'

<https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-on-afghanistan/>

But then, you've never let facts get in the way of your ideology, have you?
Paul S Person
2021-08-29 15:47:35 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
A Republican, I might add, who showed us a few years later had
/no/ concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to withdraw
signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential address from July
8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was briefed by
our senior military and national security leaders on the status of
the drawdown of U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out by
September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of the>
night without warning to people put at risk by it" part, leavning an
estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal hostages to
terrorists. On purpose.
Except for the little fact that it was never anywhere NEAR 10,000;
'Now, many of you have asked how many U.S. citizens remain in
Afghanistan who want to leave the country. Based on our analysis,
starting on August 14 when our evacuation operations began, there was
then a population of as many as 6,000 American citizens in Afghanistan
who wanted to leave.'
<https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-on-afghanistan/>
I feel it necessary to point out that you have established the number
who /wanted to leave/, not the number that were /in Afghanistan/.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2021-08-29 22:02:16 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
A Republican, I might add, who showed us a few years later
had /no/ concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans
in the country, who are now, in every sense of the word,
hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier
today, I was briefed by our senior military and national
security leaders on the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces
and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the> night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as
literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
Except for the little fact that it was never anywhere NEAR
'Now, many of you have asked how many U.S. citizens remain in
Afghanistan who want to leave the country. Based on our
analysis, starting on August 14 when our evacuation operations
began, there was then a population of as many as 6,000 American
citizens in Afghanistan who wanted to leave.'
<https://www.state.gov/secretary-antony-j-blinken-on-afghanistan/
I feel it necessary to point out that you have established the
number who /wanted to leave/, not the number that were /in
Afghanistan/.
And quoted a source that has considerable reason to try to hide the
treasonous culpability of the current administration.
LOL!
Hamish Laws
2021-08-29 10:54:20 UTC
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Post by Hamish Laws
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was
sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of the
night without warning to people put at risk by it" part, leavning
an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal hostages to
terrorists. On purpose.
a) Who gave that estimate?
b) they were advised to leave the country in May
c) WTF do you think a statement about a complete withdrawal of US forces by 1 September is?
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-29 21:37:23 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Hamish Laws
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was
sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of
the night without warning to people put at risk by it" part,
leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as
literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
a) Who gave that estimate?
Lots of sources. Read the fucking news. Or not. We both know you
*refuse* to acknowledge facts that make your lords and masters look
like the traitors they are.
b) they were advised to leave the country in May
And were turned over to Taliban terrorists as hostages last month. On
purpose.
c) WTF do you think a statement about a complete withdrawal of
US forces by 1 September is?
In this case, treason.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Paul S Person
2021-08-30 15:41:03 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 2:49:01 AM UTC+10, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Hamish Laws
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of
the night without warning to people put at risk by it" part,
leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as
literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
a) Who gave that estimate?
Lots of sources. Read the fucking news. Or not. We both know you
*refuse* to acknowledge facts that make your lords and masters look
like the traitors they are.
b) they were advised to leave the country in May
And were turned over to Taliban terrorists as hostages last month. On
purpose.
c) WTF do you think a statement about a complete withdrawal of
US forces by 1 September is?
In this case, treason.
Why, yes, I suppose the man who set it up /could/ be regarded as a
traitor.

That man, of course, was Donald Trump.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-31 02:41:04 UTC
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On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:37:23 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 2:49:01 AM UTC+10, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Hamish Laws
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
a) Who gave that estimate?
Lots of sources. Read the fucking news. Or not. We both know you
*refuse* to acknowledge facts that make your lords and masters
look like the traitors they are.
b) they were advised to leave the country in May
And were turned over to Taliban terrorists as hostages last
month. On purpose.
c) WTF do you think a statement about a complete withdrawal of
US forces by 1 September is?
In this case, treason.
Why, yes, I suppose the man who set it up /could/ be regarded as
a traitor.
Biden is too mentally deranged to be prosecuted. His puppeteers, on
the other hand, should all hang.
Post by Paul S Person
That man, of course, was Donald Trump.
Trump didn't decide to withdraw in the middle of the night with no
notice, or give a list of US citizens and biometric identifying
data to the terrorists while leaving thousands of US citizens
behind, never mind the tens of thousands of local allies. Or
billions of dollars in state of the art equipment in usable
condition. The Taliban is better armed than the Canadian military
now.

You will, of course, masturbate furiously over this, and literally
hallucinate that Trump somehow is responsible for what Biden('s
puppeteers) did in July, but your mental illness doesn't make it
true.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Paul S Person
2021-08-29 15:50:56 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept
of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US troops
with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans in the
country, who are now, in every sense of the word, hostages of
terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to withdraw
signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential address from
July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier today, I was
briefed by our senior military and national security leaders on
the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces and allied forces in
Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out
by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August
31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was
sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of the
night without warning to people put at risk by it" part, leavning
an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal hostages to
terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this, right? You
are, after all, responding to something /Trump/ did before Biden was
sworn in.

Are you sure that's what you intended to say? 'Cause what you said
sounds an awful lot like a Trump Talking Point desperately trying to
shift the blame from Trump to Biden -- for doing what Trump had
planned to do himself, had he won.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2021-08-29 22:01:15 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept
of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans
in the country, who are now, in every sense of the word,
hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier
today, I was briefed by our senior military and national
security leaders on the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces
and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out
by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August
31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was
sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of
the night without warning to people put at risk by it" part,
leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal
hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500 BEFORE he
left office, right?
Paul S Person
2021-08-30 15:42:17 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/ concept
of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of Americans
in the country, who are now, in every sense of the word,
hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Earlier
today, I was briefed by our senior military and national
security leaders on the status of the drawdown of U.S. forces
and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be out
by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle of
the night without warning to people put at risk by it" part,
leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens as literal
hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500 BEFORE he
left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say he
does NOT.

And, quite possibly, never will.

Being a bot sucks!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-31 02:41:57 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2021-08-31 15:40:24 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
Biden drew down US forces to 2,500...

...before he was even president?

Neat trick. :-)
Paul S Person
2021-09-01 15:33:30 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:01:15 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
Biden drew down US forces to 2,500...
...before he was even president?
Neat trick. :-)
And, lest we miss this, the Donald who did /that/ drawdown evacuated,
along with the troops removed, exactly /none/ of the Afghanis who had
been working with them.

Well, after all, they weren't Norwegian and Afghanistan is one of
those "sh*thole" countries (per Trump).
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2021-09-01 16:09:47 UTC
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:40:24 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:01:15 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
Biden drew down US forces to 2,500...
...before he was even president?
Neat trick. :-)
And, lest we miss this, the Donald who did /that/ drawdown evacuated,
along with the troops removed, exactly /none/ of the Afghanis who had
been working with them.
More than that.

His administration actively sabotaged applications to the special visa
program that was set up to help get them out.

'There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen
Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He &
his enablers across gov’t would undermine anyone who worked on solving
the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State.(1/7)

I tracked this issue personally in my role during my WH tenure. Pence
was fully aware of the problem. We got nowhere on it because Trump/S.
Miller had watchdogs in place at DOJ, DHS, State & security agencies
that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.(2/7)'

<https://twitter.com/OliviaTroye/status/1428740865665679361?s=20>
Post by Paul S Person
Well, after all, they weren't Norwegian and Afghanistan is one of
those "sh*thole" countries (per Trump).
Paul S Person
2021-09-02 15:48:52 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:40:24 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:01:15 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
Biden drew down US forces to 2,500...
...before he was even president?
Neat trick. :-)
And, lest we miss this, the Donald who did /that/ drawdown evacuated,
along with the troops removed, exactly /none/ of the Afghanis who had
been working with them.
<following the link shows that, unless Olivia and Alan are the same
person, at some point this becomes a quote from a tweet>
Post by Alan Baker
More than that.
His administration actively sabotaged applications to the special visa
program that was set up to help get them out.
'There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen
Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He &
his enablers across gov’t would undermine anyone who worked on solving
the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State.(1/7)
I tracked this issue personally in my role during my WH tenure. Pence
was fully aware of the problem. We got nowhere on it because Trump/S.
Miller had watchdogs in place at DOJ, DHS, State & security agencies
that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.(2/7)'
<https://twitter.com/OliviaTroye/status/1428740865665679361?s=20>
Yes, those Senate committees looking at looking into the situation
should have a /lot/ to work with.

A competent and honest Trump, one who started pulling our friends out
as soon as the deal was struck, would have left Biden less of a mess.
But there is, i suspect, still plenty of blame for Biden not starting
the evacuations earlier. There is no law that states "when withdrawing
from a country, the locals who helped will only be evacuated when
things get right down to the wire".

And the worse the Taliban behaves, the worse it will look.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Alan Baker
2021-09-02 21:35:47 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:40:24 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:01:15 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
Biden drew down US forces to 2,500...
...before he was even president?
Neat trick. :-)
And, lest we miss this, the Donald who did /that/ drawdown evacuated,
along with the troops removed, exactly /none/ of the Afghanis who had
been working with them.
<following the link shows that, unless Olivia and Alan are the same
person, at some point this becomes a quote from a tweet>
Yes. That is what the " ' " marks indicated.

:-)
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
More than that.
His administration actively sabotaged applications to the special visa
program that was set up to help get them out.
'There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen
Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He &
his enablers across gov’t would undermine anyone who worked on solving
the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State.(1/7)
I tracked this issue personally in my role during my WH tenure. Pence
was fully aware of the problem. We got nowhere on it because Trump/S.
Miller had watchdogs in place at DOJ, DHS, State & security agencies
that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.(2/7)'
<https://twitter.com/OliviaTroye/status/1428740865665679361?s=20>
Yes, those Senate committees looking at looking into the situation
should have a /lot/ to work with.
A competent and honest Trump, one who started pulling our friends out
as soon as the deal was struck, would have left Biden less of a mess.
But there is, i suspect, still plenty of blame for Biden not starting
the evacuations earlier. There is no law that states "when withdrawing
from a country, the locals who helped will only be evacuated when
things get right down to the wire".
Unfortunately, and completely unlike Trump, other administrations follow
the laws.

There was a backlog of more than 17,000 visa applications.
Paul S Person
2021-09-03 15:51:44 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:09:47 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:40:24 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 18:01:15 -0400, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 16:48:55 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:13:14 AM UTC+10, Jibini
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
A Republican, I
might add, who showed us a few years later had /no/
concept of "planning".
You mean like the planning that went into withdrawing US
troops with no warning to the tens of thousands of
Americans in the country, who are now, in every sense of
the word, hostages of terrorists?
Well apart from the fact that there was an agreement to
withdraw signed in Feb 2020... and here's a a presidential
address from July 8 "THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon.
Earlier today, I was briefed by our senior military and
national security leaders on the status of the drawdown of
U.S. forces and allied forces in Afghanistan.
When I announced our drawdown in April, I said we would be
out by September, and we’re on track to meet that target.
Our military mission in Afghanistan will conclude on August 31st."
Trump lowered numbers from 13,000 to 2,500 before Biden was
sworn in...
The issue isn't the withdrawal so much as the "in the middle
of the night without warning to people put at risk by it"
part, leavning an estimated 10,000-20,000 American citizens
as literal hostages to terrorists. On purpose.
You do realize that you are stating that /Trump/ did this,
You do realize Trump wasn't President in late July when that
withdrawal took place, right?
You realize Trump had already drawn down US forces to 2,500
BEFORE he left office, right?
Since he clearly missed it when I pointed this out, I would say
he does NOT.
And, quite possibly, never will.
Being a bot sucks!
Trump didn't do so in the middle of the night with no warning to
people who will almost certain be tortured to death for cooperating
with us. Biden('s puppeteers) did exactly that. On purpose.
Biden drew down US forces to 2,500...
...before he was even president?
Neat trick. :-)
And, lest we miss this, the Donald who did /that/ drawdown evacuated,
along with the troops removed, exactly /none/ of the Afghanis who had
been working with them.
<following the link shows that, unless Olivia and Alan are the same
person, at some point this becomes a quote from a tweet>
Yes. That is what the " ' " marks indicated.
:-)
Ah. I knew there was a reason I prefer the double-quote! It's easier
to see.

But I do apologize for missing your single quote.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
More than that.
His administration actively sabotaged applications to the special visa
program that was set up to help get them out.
'There were cabinet mtgs about this during the Trump Admin where Stephen
Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan. He &
his enablers across gov’t would undermine anyone who worked on solving
the SIV issue by devastating the system at DHS & State.(1/7)
But there is no "'" at the start here. I thought a continuation-quote
was the norm.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Alan Baker
I tracked this issue personally in my role during my WH tenure. Pence
was fully aware of the problem. We got nowhere on it because Trump/S.
Miller had watchdogs in place at DOJ, DHS, State & security agencies
that made an already cumbersome SIV process even more challenging.(2/7)'
<https://twitter.com/OliviaTroye/status/1428740865665679361?s=20>
Yes, those Senate committees looking at looking into the situation
should have a /lot/ to work with.
A competent and honest Trump, one who started pulling our friends out
as soon as the deal was struck, would have left Biden less of a mess.
But there is, i suspect, still plenty of blame for Biden not starting
the evacuations earlier. There is no law that states "when withdrawing
from a country, the locals who helped will only be evacuated when
things get right down to the wire".
Unfortunately, and completely unlike Trump, other administrations follow
the laws.
There was a backlog of more than 17,000 visa applications.
Some news reports appear to claiming up to 500,000 strandees (so to
speak). Not to mention various small animals that a shelter wanted to
rescue. Some of which are being used by Republicans in their ongoing
campaign to smear the US Armed Forces.

No doubt more ... stable ... figures will eventually come out. At
least, firm figures from our own records.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
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