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Edmond Hamilton's "Two Thousand Centuries" future history
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-05-31 07:13:58 UTC
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".

I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
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Don
2020-06-02 15:46:11 UTC
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?



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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-02 16:20:35 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
☮
Danke,
More likely the book packagers I think.

I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
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Ahasuerus
2020-06-02 17:18:32 UTC
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
To quote the introduction to _The Last of the Star Kings_:

"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."

[snip]

"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."

So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Ahasuerus
2020-06-02 17:21:12 UTC
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:18:36 PM UTC-4, Ahasuerus wrote:
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It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Oops, forgot to link to Amazon - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IIB9XK6
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-02 17:43:15 UTC
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Thanks!

Sounds like I need to pick up _The Last of the Star Kings_ too.
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-02 17:46:21 UTC
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Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Thanks!
Sounds like I need to pick up _The Last of the Star Kings_ too.
--
D'oh!

Amazon says I already did -- Apparently it's in the multi-gigabyte SBR on
my kindle. I should move it up -- I really recall liking the (paperback
version) of _The Star Kings_.

Interesting that Captain Future is slotted in. I assumed that was
work-for-hire like Doc Savage.
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Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-02 17:34:44 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-02 18:14:05 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Looks like there is a hardcopy for the pulp edition of _The Star Kings_
(which apparently differs from the later paperback):

https://www.amazon.com/Kings-Thousand-Centuries-Enhanced-Improved-ebook/dp/B005DXONWA

There does not appear to be a hardcopy for _The Last Of The Star Kings:_

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IIB9XK6

Both have e-editions, but you would need more than the stock Calibre install
to import them.
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Ahasuerus
2020-06-02 18:16:00 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Ahasuerus
2020-06-02 18:38:27 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Upon reflection, I am not sure whether you will be able to get Amazon
to send you the file if you don't own a Kindle device. Amazon needs to
customize (i.e. apply DRM restrictions) the file to be readable on that
particular Kindle. Without a Kindle, it may not be possible. I am not
really sure.

Having said that, you may be able to read it directly on Amazon's Web
site. Personally, I find that Kindle Paperwhite is vastly superior to
a regular PC monitor, but YMMV.
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-02 20:22:07 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand
Centuries".
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing
described
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Upon reflection, I am not sure whether you will be able to get Amazon
to send you the file if you don't own a Kindle device. Amazon needs to
customize (i.e. apply DRM restrictions) the file to be readable on that
particular Kindle. Without a Kindle, it may not be possible. I am not
really sure.
Having said that, you may be able to read it directly on Amazon's Web
site. Personally, I find that Kindle Paperwhite is vastly superior to
a regular PC monitor, but YMMV.
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand
Centuries".
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing
described
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Upon reflection, I am not sure whether you will be able to get Amazon
to send you the file if you don't own a Kindle device. Amazon needs to
customize (i.e. apply DRM restrictions) the file to be readable on that
particular Kindle. Without a Kindle, it may not be possible. I am not
really sure.
Having said that, you may be able to read it directly on Amazon's Web
site. Personally, I find that Kindle Paperwhite is vastly superior to
a regular PC monitor, but YMMV.
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
There is a Kindle for desktop. I use that as the delivery target for Kindle books. You'll then have a .azw file on your PC if you're going to import to Calibre. I don't recall if you need to do anything merely to read the Kindle edition on Calibre, versus doing a conversion to EPUB. You can also read on the Kindle for desktop. It's an adequate reader.


Brian


Brian
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-02 21:44:10 UTC
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 3:35:03 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt
In article
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:50:02 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J
In article
On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 12:20:38 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan
<tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot
of his wo
rk is
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two
Thousand
Centuries".
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's
back-fittin
g, like
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a
known thing
described
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein
perhaps someo
ne made
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand
Centuries
"
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't
accounted for
yet.
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
To quote the introduction to _The Last of the Star
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past
Editions_ discovered, in a series of 1950s digest
magazines, two further "complete novels" by Hamilton set
in the Star Kings universe. One, _The Star Hunter_, takes
place a few thousand years before the events of _The Star
Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the capstone
of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years
after the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a
half-forgotten legend believed only by children. It is
possible that this story's connection with _The Star
Kings_ was overlooked because it was issu
ed
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher.
It was identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only
because the climactic scene took place at one of _The
Star Kings'_ key location
s."
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very
special extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future
history (as given in _The Star Kings_), which covers the
two thousand centuries between our own time and that of
the Star Kings. (According to an earlier statement by the
author, more than half of his science fiction stories are
set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same
universe, but the links can be hard to recognize because
"Two Thousand Centuries" is a very long time -- see the
note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print
form or in some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own
a Kindle and don't intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this
collection on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able
to download it as a file. If you install a Calibre plugin
that can strip Amazon's DRM protection, you will then be
able to import the file into Calibre.
Upon reflection, I am not sure whether you will be able to get
Amazon to send you the file if you don't own a Kindle device.
Amazon needs to customize (i.e. apply DRM restrictions) the
file to be readable on that particular Kindle. Without a
Kindle, it may not be possible. I am not really sure.
Having said that, you may be able to read it directly on
Amazon's Web site. Personally, I find that Kindle Paperwhite
is vastly superior to a regular PC monitor, but YMMV.
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
There is a Kindle for desktop. I use that as the delivery target
for Kindle books. You'll then have a .azw file on your PC if
you're going to import to Calibre. I don't recall if you need to
do anything merely to read the Kindle edition on Calibre, versus
doing a conversion to EPUB. You can also read on the Kindle for
desktop. It's an adequate reader.
Is the current version of Calibre able to import the current
version of the Kindle format for the desktop app? Or is it still
necessary to use an older version of the desktop app? Looks like
you still want to install 1.17 (and turn off automatic updates) to
get the correct file format for the plug-in to do its job.

(If it's encrypted, and many are, one need to be familiar with the
DeDRM plugin from a certain apprentice named Alf.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Default User
2020-06-02 22:33:56 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Is the current version of Calibre able to import the current
version of the Kindle format for the desktop app? Or is it still
necessary to use an older version of the desktop app? Looks like
you still want to install 1.17 (and turn off automatic updates) to
get the correct file format for the plug-in to do its job.
I don't know. I have declined to update either Calibre or Kindle for desktop since I got everything set up. I have Kindle desktop 1.20.1. Calibre says version 3.7.

If all you want to do is read Kindle books on a PC and aren't concerned with any other issues, then it probably doesn't matter. Compatibility with Calibre and its plugins is another matter.


Brian
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-02 23:26:40 UTC
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 4:44:13 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Is the current version of Calibre able to import the current
version of the Kindle format for the desktop app? Or is it
still necessary to use an older version of the desktop app?
Looks like you still want to install 1.17 (and turn off
automatic updates) to get the correct file format for the
plug-in to do its job.
I don't know. I have declined to update either Calibre or Kindle
for desktop since I got everything set up. I have Kindle desktop
1.20.1. Calibre says version 3.7.
I've never had a problem with updating Calibre.
If all you want to do is read Kindle books on a PC and aren't
concerned with any other issues, then it probably doesn't
matter. Compatibility with Calibre and its plugins is another
matter.
I actually do my reading in the nook app, because I prefer the
interface, but I stopped buying books from B&N when they decided
their entire purpose in selling ebooks was to shit on their
customers, and they adopted a businessm model of "keep buying our
books or we'll go out of business and you'll lose your entire
library".

So my process is to download through the desktop app, import into
calibre, and convert to epub for side loading. The only issue I've
ever had with it is that in Galaxy's Edge magazine, the page count
for each story is . . . off for the few few pages (usually 0). This
does not interfere with actually reading it, though.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Default User
2020-06-03 00:30:15 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
So my process is to download through the desktop app, import into
calibre, and convert to epub for side loading.
That's pretty much what I do, except I use iBooks on the iPad.


Brian
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-02 22:49:59 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 3:35:03 PM UTC-5, Dorothy J Heydt
In article
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 1:50:02 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J
In article
On Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 12:20:38 PM UTC-4, Ted Nolan
<tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot
of his wo
rk is
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand
Centuries".
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's
back-fittin
g, like
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing
described
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein
perhaps someo
ne made
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Don
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand
Centuries
"
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't
accounted for
yet.
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
To quote the introduction to _The Last of the Star
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past
Editions_ discovered, in a series of 1950s digest
magazines, two further "complete novels" by Hamilton set
in the Star Kings universe. One, _The Star Hunter_, takes
place a few thousand years before the events of _The Star
Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the capstone
of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years
after the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a
half-forgotten legend believed only by children. It is
possible that this story's connection with _The Star
Kings_ was overlooked because it was issu
ed
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher.
It was identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only
because the climactic scene took place at one of _The
Star Kings'_ key location
s."
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very
special extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future
history (as given in _The Star Kings_), which covers the
two thousand centuries between our own time and that of
the Star Kings. (According to an earlier statement by the
author, more than half of his science fiction stories are
set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same
universe, but the links can be hard to recognize because
"Two Thousand Centuries" is a very long time -- see the
note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print
form or in some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own
a Kindle and don't intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this
collection on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able
to download it as a file. If you install a Calibre plugin
that can strip Amazon's DRM protection, you will then be
able to import the file into Calibre.
Upon reflection, I am not sure whether you will be able to get
Amazon to send you the file if you don't own a Kindle device.
Amazon needs to customize (i.e. apply DRM restrictions) the
file to be readable on that particular Kindle. Without a
Kindle, it may not be possible. I am not really sure.
Having said that, you may be able to read it directly on
Amazon's Web site. Personally, I find that Kindle Paperwhite
is vastly superior to a regular PC monitor, but YMMV.
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
There is a Kindle for desktop. I use that as the delivery target
for Kindle books. You'll then have a .azw file on your PC if
you're going to import to Calibre. I don't recall if you need to
do anything merely to read the Kindle edition on Calibre, versus
doing a conversion to EPUB. You can also read on the Kindle for
desktop. It's an adequate reader.
Is the current version of Calibre able to import the current
version of the Kindle format for the desktop app?
How should I know?

I do know that every now and then it offers to install an update,
but if I try to download it, I get nothing but error messages.

Or is it still
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
necessary to use an older version of the desktop app? Looks like
you still want to install 1.17 (and turn off automatic updates) to
get the correct file format for the plug-in to do its job.
(If it's encrypted, and many are, one need to be familiar with the
DeDRM plugin from a certain apprentice named Alf.)
None of this means anything to me.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Default User
2020-06-03 00:31:58 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Is the current version of Calibre able to import the current
version of the Kindle format for the desktop app?
How should I know?
He was responding to me, so I don't think expected you to.


Brian
Quadibloc
2020-06-04 03:36:23 UTC
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Post by Default User
There is a Kindle for desktop. I use that as the delivery target for Kindle books.
I can attest to that, I installed it on my own computer as I wanted to purchase
one inexpensive book from Amazon in that form. Like Dorothy, I would not consider
spending a fortune on a Kindle that I would hardly ever use.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2020-06-04 08:54:27 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Default User
There is a Kindle for desktop. I use that as the delivery target for Kindle books.
I can attest to that, I installed it on my own computer as I wanted to purchase
one inexpensive book from Amazon in that form. Like Dorothy, I would not consider
spending a fortune on a Kindle that I would hardly ever use.
Someone gave me one. I haven't used it in years. But it was
nice--the epaper is actually very readable and it in practice runs for
several weeks on a charge. Just a little too big to be convenient
though, for a person who doesn't carry a purse anyway, and it's a
one-trick pony--it reads Kindle ebooks (and a few other formats) and
that's _it_.

For the past 5years or so I mostly read on my phone. Since COVID-19
is preventing me from being out and about I mostly use a Surface.
Bigger screen but not convenient to carry around--the phone fits in a
shirt pocket. I have a Kindle Fire tablet but it's the least
satisfactory way to read.

In my experience the Android version of the app is in general more
satisfactory than the Windows version--the Windows version has touch
only partially implemented--you can turn pages but not change text
size with gestures. On Android you can do both with gestures instead
of going to a menu. Oddly, the Kindle Fire, which is an Android
device, works more like the Windows version than the Android
version--I do not recommende a Kindle Fire--it is, for an Android
tablet, cheap and you get what you pay for.
Paul S Person
2020-06-04 16:46:15 UTC
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On Thu, 04 Jun 2020 04:54:27 -0400, J. Clarke
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Default User
There is a Kindle for desktop. I use that as the delivery target for Kindle books.
I can attest to that, I installed it on my own computer as I wanted to purchase
one inexpensive book from Amazon in that form. Like Dorothy, I would not consider
spending a fortune on a Kindle that I would hardly ever use.
Someone gave me one. I haven't used it in years. But it was
nice--the epaper is actually very readable and it in practice runs for
several weeks on a charge. Just a little too big to be convenient
though, for a person who doesn't carry a purse anyway, and it's a
one-trick pony--it reads Kindle ebooks (and a few other formats) and
that's _it_.
For the past 5years or so I mostly read on my phone. Since COVID-19
is preventing me from being out and about I mostly use a Surface.
Bigger screen but not convenient to carry around--the phone fits in a
shirt pocket. I have a Kindle Fire tablet but it's the least
satisfactory way to read.
In my experience the Android version of the app is in general more
satisfactory than the Windows version--the Windows version has touch
only partially implemented--you can turn pages but not change text
size with gestures. On Android you can do both with gestures instead
of going to a menu. Oddly, the Kindle Fire, which is an Android
device, works more like the Windows version than the Android
version--I do not recommende a Kindle Fire--it is, for an Android
tablet, cheap and you get what you pay for.
As a tablet in general, you may be correct.

But my Fire HD 6" works fine as an electronic picture frame (the app I
bought actually randomizes and shows /all/ the images, not just the
first 20 or 30 that appeared to be the best from the better EPFs on
Amazon), and it allows me to download the movies I rent so I don't
have to worry about network congestion.

IMDb used to work fine, until the idiots changed the interface. But is
not the Fire's problem.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Gary R. Schmidt
2020-06-03 03:21:56 UTC
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On 03/06/2020 06:22, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.

It's free.

Start it up and do the "Register with Amazon" thing.

Congratulations! You now have a "Kindle Device"!!

Do the purchasing and reading thing.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
--
Waiting for a new signature to suggest itself...
J. Clarke
2020-06-03 04:01:31 UTC
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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:21:56 +1000, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
It's free.
Start it up and do the "Register with Amazon" thing.
Congratulations! You now have a "Kindle Device"!!
Do the purchasing and reading thing.
Open the default browser on a Raspberry Pi, search on "Kindle Cloud
Reader". Works fine on a Pi 4, I suspect it would be usable on a 3.
Of course you have to log into an Amazon account to read anything.
Default User
2020-06-03 05:32:49 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Open the default browser on a Raspberry Pi, search on "Kindle Cloud
Reader". Works fine on a Pi 4, I suspect it would be usable on a 3.
Of course you have to log into an Amazon account to read anything.
Yeah, that works.

http://read.amazon.com

One can experiment with any of the free Kindle books available.

Here's a short story that I got a while back:

https://www.amazon.com/Cost-Business-Dragonfire-Station-Short-ebook/dp/B01MT3LORB/



Brian
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-03 06:05:12 UTC
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
It's free.
Start it up and do the "Register with Amazon" thing.
Congratulations! You now have a "Kindle Device"!!
Do the purchasing and reading thing.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Gary R. Schmidt
2020-06-03 11:29:14 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>

Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the three
parallel lines next to the word "amazon".

Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"

Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"

Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"

Run the executable that is downloaded.

As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?

Cheers,
Gary B-)
--
Waiting for a new signature to suggest itself...
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-03 15:58:23 UTC
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the part
of their software is likely deliberate on their part.

So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-03 17:01:12 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the part
of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
Ah, now I understand Google Groups :-)
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Kevrob
2020-06-03 21:26:00 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the part
of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
Ah, now I understand Google Groups :-)
--
My working assumption about GG's borked search function is
that it was the cheapest way to comply with the EU's
regulations that can require a company to expunge documents
under its "right to be forgotten." You cut down your workload
answering complaints/requests/demands to remove embarrassing old
posts if J Random User finds it nearly impossible to recover
said posts, and can't use them to impeach whoever posted them.

This isn't to say that those with enough information can't
work what remains of Google Groups search to uncover old
posts, but it might take some work.

Kevin R
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-03 17:24:06 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the part
of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-03 18:26:39 UTC
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does
that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the
part of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-03 21:39:30 UTC
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Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does
that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the
part of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-03 21:57:08 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle
Application for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page
(the three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does
that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on
the part of their software is likely deliberate on their
part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
The answer to that is so obvious it makes me question your motives
in even asking it.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-04 00:51:48 UTC
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Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle
Application for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page
(the three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on
the part of their software is likely deliberate on their
part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
The answer to that is so obvious it makes me question your motives
in even asking it.
Just seeing if I can get the attention of those who don't think.
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 15:31:24 UTC
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
In article
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle
Application for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it
safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page
(the three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on
the part of their software is likely deliberate on their
part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
The answer to that is so obvious it makes me question your
motives in even asking it.
Just seeing if I can get the attention of those who don't think.
Heh. To what point? Those who *don't* think *can't* think, as you
well know.

Unless, of course, you're willing to admit that it amuses you to
troll them. Which would make you a lot like . . . me.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-04 17:02:13 UTC
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On 6/3/2020 8:58 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle
Application for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it
safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page
(the three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on
the part of their software is likely deliberate on their
part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
The answer to that is so obvious it makes me question your
motives in even asking it.
Just seeing if I can get the attention of those who don't think.
Heh. To what point? Those who *don't* think *can't* think, as you
well know.
Unless, of course, you're willing to admit that it amuses you to
troll them. Which would make you a lot like . . . me.
You have your (rare) moments. Of course, I could have been amusing
myself by trying to troll you....
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 17:27:02 UTC
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On 6/3/2020 11:26 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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On 6/3/2020 8:58 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
In article
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything
would cost money, whereas I already have a PC
monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle
Application for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it
safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the
page (the three parallel lines next to the word
"amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what
does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior
on the part of their software is likely deliberate on
their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
The answer to that is so obvious it makes me question your
motives in even asking it.
Just seeing if I can get the attention of those who don't
think.
Heh. To what point? Those who *don't* think *can't* think, as
you well know.
Unless, of course, you're willing to admit that it amuses you
to troll them. Which would make you a lot like . . . me.
You have your (rare) moments. Of course, I could have been
amusing myself by trying to troll you....
Remember Ryk's rule: You cannot win. The only way to lose is to not
play.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dimensional Traveler
2020-06-04 21:27:01 UTC
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On 6/3/2020 8:58 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
In article
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything
would cost money, whereas I already have a PC
monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle
Application for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the
page (the three parallel lines next to the word
"amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what
does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior
on the part of their software is likely deliberate on
their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
The answer to that is so obvious it makes me question your
motives in even asking it.
Just seeing if I can get the attention of those who don't
think.
Heh. To what point? Those who *don't* think *can't* think, as
you well know.
Unless, of course, you're willing to admit that it amuses you
to troll them. Which would make you a lot like . . . me.
You have your (rare) moments. Of course, I could have been
amusing myself by trying to troll you....
Remember Ryk's rule: You cannot win. The only way to lose is to not
play.
Capitalism is based on the premise that you can win.
Socialism is based on the premise that you can break even.
Mysticism is based on the premise that you can quit.

(I may also be reaching the "banging head against wall for the
excitement" sounds tempting level of boredom.)
--
<to be filled in at a later date>
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-03 22:09:24 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does
that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the
part of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
Reminds me of a Segar continuity in the old "Thimble Theater". Eugene
The Jeep has predicted that Popeye will lose his upcoming boxing match.
And since Eugene is 4th Dimensional & infallible, Popeye has taken ill in
a funk.

He is seen by a typical Segar gaggle of doctors making "Hmms" & "Tsks" with
one of them finally suggesting: "I think we should operate!" with another
querying: "Do you think it will be safe for us to operate?" getting the
inevitable response: "Of course it will be safe for *us*!".

(BTW SPOILER

Eugene wasn't making a genuine prediction. While he was being asked
the question, he was distracted by a bug on the carpet and bent down to
look at it, making his tail point up in the "affirmative" response posture).
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
J. Clarke
2020-06-03 23:43:31 UTC
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[SNIP]
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Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would
cost money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does
that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the
part of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Define "safe"....
That is precisely the question, now isn't it?
As well as "Safe for who?"
They know my credit card number and where I live already, as well as
quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read about. I don't
think that adding their ebook reader is going to increase the risk
profile significantly.
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-04 05:04:19 UTC
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They know my credit card number and where I live already, as well as
quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read about. I don't
think that adding their ebook reader is going to increase the risk
profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?

They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about. Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not out
into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the Lesser
Magellanic Cloud.

I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
h***@gmail.com
2020-06-04 07:13:15 UTC
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They know my credit card number and where I live already, as well as
quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read about. I don't
think that adding their ebook reader is going to increase the risk
profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?
They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about. Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not out
into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the Lesser
Magellanic Cloud.
I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
As I understand it the algorithm is basically
"You bought this book, other people who bought that book bought these books"

Although I've also heard about people buying a toilet seat (or similar) and having lots of recommendations for toilet seats
Quadibloc
2020-06-04 09:58:48 UTC
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Although I've also heard about people buying a toilet seat (or similar) and
having lots of recommendations for toilet seats
At least they're not toilet seats costing $5,000 or more.

John Savard
h***@gmail.com
2020-06-04 10:05:34 UTC
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Although I've also heard about people buying a toilet seat (or similar) and
having lots of recommendations for toilet seats
At least they're not toilet seats costing $5,000 or more.
https://www.amazon.com.au/SN989M-01-NEOREST-Toilet-White-SN989M/dp/B07HSFM5FN
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-04 17:33:25 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
They know my credit card number and where I live already, as well as
quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read about. I don't
think that adding their ebook reader is going to increase the risk
profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?
They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about. Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not out
into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the Lesser
Magellanic Cloud.
I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
As I understand it the algorithm is basically
"You bought this book, other people who bought that book bought these books"
As I said, not very I. But I don't follow the crowd much.

Apropos, I've just started reading (it arrived yesterday, via
Amazon but sent from the UK where it was published) Edward
Stourton's (Auntie's War: The BBC During the Second World War._
Here's the back-cover blurb:

"On 15 October 1940, at quarter past eight in the evening, a
500lb bomb fell through a window on the seventh floor [of
Broadcasting House] and bored its way down through the building
to the music library on the third. It did not immediately
explode, but just after Bruce Belfrage had begun to read the nine
o'clock news someone tried to move it, and it did. The audience
heard a crump, but Belfrage continued to read the bulletin almost
without a pause (he later admitted to needing a 'stiffener' when
he came off the air)."
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Although I've also heard about people buying a toilet seat (or similar)
and having lots of recommendations for toilet seats
Figures.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
J. Clarke
2020-06-04 09:01:39 UTC
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They know my credit card number and where I live already, as well as
quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read about. I don't
think that adding their ebook reader is going to increase the risk
profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?
They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about.
Oh, their recommendations are crap. But they do have the record.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not out
into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the Lesser
Magellanic Cloud.
I ordered a some brake tubing and fittings off of them a while back.
They keep recommending that. Earth to Amazon, how often do you think
that people replace their brake lines?
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
They should call it SS instead of AI--Synthetic Stupidity. Google's
search by attempting to be clever is going consistently further
downhill to take one example.
h***@gmail.com
2020-06-04 09:08:09 UTC
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They should call it SS instead of AI--Synthetic Stupidity. Google's
search by attempting to be clever is going consistently further
downhill to take one example.
Google searching is now more about advertising than good searches
If people pay enough then a search for a competitor will return the people who pay rather than the exact match
Chris Buckley
2020-06-04 14:09:28 UTC
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They should call it SS instead of AI--Synthetic Stupidity. Google's
search by attempting to be clever is going consistently further
downhill to take one example.
Google searching is now more about advertising than good searches
If people pay enough then a search for a competitor will return the people who pay rather than the exact match
Absolute baloney! You have no idea what you're talking about. (Well, that
they are ad focused is true, but not that you can pay for rankings!)

Many companies desperately wish this were true; then there would be a
fixed cost to Google rankings and they could do all sorts of things.
Instead, there's a quite large SEO (Search Engine Optimization)
industry devoted to raising Google rankings, sometimes legitimately,
sometimes not. At one time, Google was spending 30% of its efforts at
combating the illegitimate attempts.

Chris
h***@gmail.com
2020-06-04 15:03:57 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
They should call it SS instead of AI--Synthetic Stupidity. Google's
search by attempting to be clever is going consistently further
downhill to take one example.
Google searching is now more about advertising than good searches
If people pay enough then a search for a competitor will return the people who pay rather than the exact match
Absolute baloney! You have no idea what you're talking about. (Well, that
they are ad focused is true, but not that you can pay for rankings!)
Ads appear before matches
Here's a discussion from David Heinemeier Hansson on the state of google
https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1205582897593430017

searching for the brand name basecamp used to return a full page add on mobile for Bitrix24 (a competitor) as the first result

another poster mentions that if they don't pay 1000/month they don't show up in results for a search on their brand name, which isn't a word...
Post by Chris Buckley
Many companies desperately wish this were true; then there would be a
fixed cost to Google rankings and they could do all sorts of things.
Instead, there's a quite large SEO (Search Engine Optimization)
industry devoted to raising Google rankings, sometimes legitimately,
sometimes not. At one time, Google was spending 30% of its efforts at
combating the illegitimate attempts.
Then they went to "pay ad money instead"
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-04 12:12:21 UTC
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They know my credit card number and where I live already, as well as
quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read about. I don't
think that adding their ebook reader is going to increase the risk
profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?
They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about.
Oh, their recommendations are crap. But they do have the record.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not out
into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the Lesser
Magellanic Cloud.
I ordered a some brake tubing and fittings off of them a while back.
They keep recommending that. Earth to Amazon, how often do you think
that people replace their brake lines?
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
They should call it SS instead of AI--Synthetic Stupidity. Google's
search by attempting to be clever is going consistently further
downhill to take one example.
Michael Flynn's "Firestar" sequence has "artificial stupids" as one of the
supporting technologies. (Good series, though it kind of fizzled out).
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 15:27:51 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
They know my credit card number and where I live already, as
well as quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read
about. I don't think that adding their ebook reader is going
to increase the risk profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?
They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about.
Oh, their recommendations are crap. But they do have the record.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not
out into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the
Lesser Magellanic Cloud.
I ordered a some brake tubing and fittings off of them a while
back. They keep recommending that. Earth to Amazon, how often
do you think that people replace their brake lines?
Maybe they're implying you'll *need* te replace 'em fairly
frequently.

Or else.
Post by J. Clarke
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
They should call it SS instead of AI--Synthetic Stupidity.
Google's search by attempting to be clever is going consistently
further downhill to take one example.
Because Google's search algorithm's are constantly being improved .
. . to generate more income.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 15:25:29 UTC
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They know my credit card number and where I live already, as
well as quite a lot about the kind of stuff I buy and read
about. I don't think that adding their ebook reader is going to
increase the risk profile significantly.
Are we still talking about Amazon?
They know my credit card number, but they have NO FREAKING IDEA
of what I like to read about.
They know what you've bought from them.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Their first two or three
suggestions have some degree of relevance (not infrequently,
they're something I've already bought), but then they go, not
out into left field, but somewhere in the direction of the
Lesser Magellanic Cloud.
I assume there's some sort of computer algorithm that fills in
the blanks. Its AI is not very I.
And that's the new, improved version from a contest they had a few
years back to improve it.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-03 21:42:41 UTC
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application
for PCs" on your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
Go to <http://www.amazon.com>
Click on the "Hamburger" menu at the top-left of the page (the
three parallel lines next to the word "amazon".
Scroll down to and click on "Kindle E-readers & Books"
Scroll down to and click on "Free Kindle Reading Apps"
Click on the button labelled "Download for PC & Mac"
Run the executable that is downloaded.
As to whether it is safe? It's safe for me, but what does that mean?
Amazon has the resources to ensure that any misbehavior on the part
of their software is likely deliberate on their part.
So the question is mroe "is Amazon safe."
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the books
I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't cancel if
they're a mind to.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Default User
2020-06-03 22:25:41 UTC
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Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the books
I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't cancel if
they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the Amazon DRM.


Brian
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-03 23:29:50 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to use
their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their ability to
remotely delete your only copy.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Default User
2020-06-04 01:49:42 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to use
their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their ability to
remotely delete your only copy.
Certainly little downside to taking control of your purchased product.


Brian
Titus G
2020-06-04 04:47:42 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to
use their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their
ability to remotely delete your only copy.
Certainly little downside to taking control of your purchased
product.
The loss of honour through breaking a legal contract sanctioned by the
elected powers of your country as well as the serious threat to the
continuing livelihood of Amazon's deserving shareholders. (I plead
guilty as well. It was actually through Jibini here that I learnt of
wizard Alf.)
A more serious downside would be further copyright breaches that might
decrease income for lower income authors.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2020-06-04 05:10:38 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to
use their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their
ability to remotely delete your only copy.
Certainly little downside to taking control of your purchased
product.
The loss of honour through breaking a legal contract sanctioned by the
elected powers of your country as well as the serious threat to the
continuing livelihood of Amazon's deserving shareholders. (I plead
guilty as well. It was actually through Jibini here that I learnt of
wizard Alf.)
A more serious downside would be further copyright breaches that might
decrease income for lower income authors.
https://dilbert.com/strip/1997-06-07
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 15:34:40 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish
to use their reader app. But it very conveniently removes
their ability to remotely delete your only copy.
Certainly little downside to taking control of your purchased
product.
The loss of honour through breaking a legal contract sanctioned
by the elected powers of your country as well as the serious
threat to the continuing livelihood of Amazon's deserving
shareholders.
DMCA specifially allows removing encryption for purposes of cross
compatibility (which is why I do it) and for purposes of making
archival copies (which is why many do it). That, too, is sanctioned
by those same elected powers in the same law.
Post by Titus G
(I plead guilty as well. It was actually through
Jibini here that I learnt of wizard Alf.)
A more serious downside would be further copyright breaches that
might decrease income for lower income authors.
There's no danger of that from me. I used to loan paper copieso f
Bujold's new books to a coworker (who only read them after I got
her hooked), but she retired years ago.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 15:31:55 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to
use their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their
ability to remotely delete your only copy.
Certainly little downside to taking control of your purchased
product.
Just a bit less convenient is all.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2020-06-04 16:54:13 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Default User
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to use
their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their ability to
remotely delete your only copy.
And who says it's my only copy?
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-04 17:26:25 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Default User
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to
use their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their
ability to remotely delete your only copy.
And who says it's my only copy?
If you don't strip off the DRM, it *is* your only copy. That's the
whole point of the DRM.

Try to pay attention.

Retard.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-04 17:38:46 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2020 16:29:50 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Default User
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Good point. I buy a lot of things from Amazon, but all the
books I buy are of the dead-tree variety, which they can't
cancel if they're a mind to.
That is one of the reasons some people desire to remove the
Amazon DRM.
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to use
their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their ability to
remotely delete your only copy.
And who says it's my only copy?
The only books/etcetera I have more than one copy of (note, we're
talking dead-tree and DVDs here) are those I couldn't find my
copy of and ordered another in desperation (and then the old one
showed up). Or once or twice, no more than that, Amazon goofed
and sent me two. Since they only charged for one, I'm willing to
forgive that kind of mistake. :)

(Does anybody need a DVD of _Good Omens_?)
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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2020-06-04 19:57:52 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2020 16:29:50 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Indeed. A step which is necessary anyway if one does not wish to
use their reader app. But it very conveniently removes their
ability to remotely delete your only copy.
And who says it's my only copy?
Sure, you can pay for multiple copies. But if you get them all from
Amazon, they can delete them at the same time.


Brian
David Johnston
2020-06-03 15:08:13 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
It poses no threat

https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=ruby_redirect?ie=UTF8&node=16571048011
J. Clarke
2020-06-03 23:41:33 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
You get it directly from Amazon.

<https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Digital-Services-LLC-Download/dp/B00UB76290/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=kindle+for+pc&qid=1591227616&sr=8-3>
should get you there.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
It's free.
Start it up and do the "Register with Amazon" thing.
Congratulations! You now have a "Kindle Device"!!
Do the purchasing and reading thing.
Chrysi Cat
2020-06-04 00:03:25 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
You get it directly from Amazon.
<https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Digital-Services-LLC-Download/dp/B00UB76290/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=kindle+for+pc&qid=1591227616&sr=8-3>
should get you there.
Wait, wait, wait. That's more than 80 characters in the address and it
still made a valid hyperlink. Care to share that trick with the rest of
the class since the vast majority of modern addresses exceed 80 (and so
that I can stop getting tinyurls since people sometimes worry I'm trying
to feed 'em malware that way)?

<snip>
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger.
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
Alan Baker
2020-06-04 00:14:40 UTC
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[SNIP]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that?  Where does one find it?  Is it safe?
You get it directly from Amazon.
<https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Digital-Services-LLC-Download/dp/B00UB76290/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=kindle+for+pc&qid=1591227616&sr=8-3>
should get you there.
Wait, wait, wait. That's more than 80 characters in the address and it
still made a valid hyperlink. Care to share that trick with the rest of
the class since the vast majority of modern addresses exceed 80 (and so
that I can stop getting tinyurls since people sometimes worry I'm trying
to feed 'em malware that way)?
<snip>
Use "<" and ">"...
J. Clarke
2020-06-04 02:15:41 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
Install, or cause top be installed, the "Kindle Application for PCs" on
your PC.
How does one do that? Where does one find it? Is it safe?
You get it directly from Amazon.
<https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Digital-Services-LLC-Download/dp/B00UB76290/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=kindle+for+pc&qid=1591227616&sr=8-3>
should get you there.
Wait, wait, wait. That's more than 80 characters in the address and it
still made a valid hyperlink. Care to share that trick with the rest of
the class since the vast majority of modern addresses exceed 80 (and so
that I can stop getting tinyurls since people sometimes worry I'm trying
to feed 'em malware that way)?
The convention is and has been for as long as I can remember to start
with < and end with >.

It probably also has some dependency on whatever software you are
using to compose your posts.
h***@gmail.com
2020-06-03 03:55:46 UTC
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Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of them but they're there for completeness)

If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do it and set it up for you

I think it's probably worth it doing just for access to the free books as promos but it is up to you
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-03 06:06:17 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without paying more
than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of them but
they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2020-06-03 15:59:51 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without
paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of
them but they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
The average chimpanzee (and Apple user) can figure out how to install
apps in a Mac. I'm 100% certain that Hal is smarter than the average
chimpanzee.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-03 21:48:54 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without
paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of
them but they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
The average chimpanzee (and Apple user) can figure out how to install
apps in a Mac. I'm 100% certain that Hal is smarter than the average
chimpanzee.
I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Alan Baker
2020-06-03 22:30:44 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without
paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of
them but they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do
it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
The average chimpanzee (and Apple user) can figure out how to install
apps in a Mac. I'm 100% certain that Hal is smarter than the average
chimpanzee.
I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
Robert Carnegie
2020-06-03 22:46:23 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without
paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of
them but they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do
it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
The average chimpanzee (and Apple user) can figure out how to install
apps in a Mac. I'm 100% certain that Hal is smarter than the average
chimpanzee.
I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
The senior generation are entitled to make that choice.

They learned a bunch of stuff already and a lot of it got
taken away.

I don’t remember either way but I’ll bet Dorothy is a whiz
with a fax machine... though I think she mentioned Meg (?)
having to /drive around/ transporting documents on
paper, for work. Until the Coronavirus arrived.
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-03 23:52:07 UTC
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I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
The senior generation are entitled to make that choice.
They learned a bunch of stuff already and a lot of it got
taken away.
I don't remember either way but I'll bet Dorothy is a whiz
with a fax machine...
Actually, I never did much faxing. But I go back to when Xerox
machines were new, rare, and expensive. When I worked for
Mechanical Engineering (UC Berkeley) in the sixties, we had a
Thermofax that worked as follows: (a) take the original and
lay a sheet of translucent pink paper over it; (b) run it
through a slot that would expose it to light; (c) remove the
tissue paper and fit it over a slick sheet of copy paper;
(d) run that through another slot (unless it was the same slot,
though I don't think so) and the copy paper would come out with
the image.

The Nuclear Engineering Department actually had a Xerox machine.
If it was for some dire reason necessary, I could take the
original downstairs and use their Xerox. It was not encouraged.

In 1976 or so, I was working for the Institute of Urban and
Regional Development, and they had some other kind of Thermofax;
I don't think it used pink tissue paper. Just electricity, lots
of it. One morning I came in before anyone else, turned on the
lights in the office, switched on the Thermofax, and all the
lights went out. So I called Grounds and Buildings, and they
sent out an electrician, who found the breaker switch that had
tripped and tripped it back on. "What were you doing in here?"
he asked.

"I turned on the office lights and the Thermofax," I said.

"You must've done something else. That Thermofax can't draw
enough to ..." and he bent over the label on the back of the
machine ...

"JESUS CHRIST, THIRTY AMPS!!!!"

I reported this to the office manager when she came in, and
shortly thereafter the Thermofax was removed and we got in a
Xerox (they were not that expensive by then).
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though I think she mentioned Meg (?)
Yes.
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having to /drive around/ transporting documents on
paper, for work.
Yes. They have to be filed with the appropriate clerk at the
relevant county courthouse.
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Until the Coronavirus arrived.
Just so. Someday electronic signatures will be permissible for
legal documents, but that happy day is not yet.
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Lawrence Watt-Evans
2020-06-04 03:58:27 UTC
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Just so. Someday electronic signatures will be permissible for
legal documents, but that happy day is not yet.
They're acceptable on some legal documents now, at least in some
states. We did a lot of DocuSign when we bought this house and got
the mortgage on it.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-04 05:07:54 UTC
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Just so. Someday electronic signatures will be permissible for
legal documents, but that happy day is not yet.
They're acceptable on some legal documents now, at least in some
states. We did a lot of DocuSign when we bought this house and got
the mortgage on it.
Alas, alas, not in California, not yet.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Paul S Person
2020-06-04 17:05:30 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Watt-Evans
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Just so. Someday electronic signatures will be permissible for
legal documents, but that happy day is not yet.
They're acceptable on some legal documents now, at least in some
states. We did a lot of DocuSign when we bought this house and got
the mortgage on it.
The bank I visited monthly (until recently -- allowed to be open or
not, they closed their lobbies and so SD access) to access my safe
deposit box went, a few years ago, to an electronic system: instead of
signing my name on paper, I sign (well, did in the past and may be
graciously permitted to do again, perhaps) on an electronic tablet
with an attached pen. I happened to see what happened next: the
signature is shown on-screen by the device, and is then cut-and-pasted
onto the SD Box access form.

It took about six months before my signature with this system began to
bear any resemblance at all to my real signature. But after a year or
two, it began looking quite similar.

OTOH, when I was asked to "sign" the invoice/contract for an
electrical job by using a finger on a tablet, the result looked
/nothing like/ my actual signature.

So I can well imagine the problem with legal documents: signatures
that don't look like signatures are not conducive to trust.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-04 17:41:30 UTC
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Post by Lawrence Watt-Evans
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Just so. Someday electronic signatures will be permissible for
legal documents, but that happy day is not yet.
They're acceptable on some legal documents now, at least in some
states. We did a lot of DocuSign when we bought this house and got
the mortgage on it.
The bank I visited monthly (until recently -- allowed to be open or
not, they closed their lobbies and so SD access) to access my safe
deposit box went, a few years ago, to an electronic system: instead of
signing my name on paper, I sign (well, did in the past and may be
graciously permitted to do again, perhaps) on an electronic tablet
with an attached pen. I happened to see what happened next: the
signature is shown on-screen by the device, and is then cut-and-pasted
onto the SD Box access form.
It took about six months before my signature with this system began to
bear any resemblance at all to my real signature. But after a year or
two, it began looking quite similar.
OTOH, when I was asked to "sign" the invoice/contract for an
electrical job by using a finger on a tablet, the result looked
/nothing like/ my actual signature.
So I can well imagine the problem with legal documents: signatures
that don't look like signatures are not conducive to trust.
Yeah.

CVS occasionally asks me to sign in on their ultra-slippery
touchscreen. They have a stylus, but because of the texture of
the screen, the result looks nothing like my signature ... and
once in a while the *stylus* doesn't work, and I have to use my
finger, and then it looks like nothing on God's green earth.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Paul S Person
2020-06-04 17:00:04 UTC
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I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
The senior generation are entitled to make that choice.
They learned a bunch of stuff already and a lot of it got
taken away.
I don't remember either way but I'll bet Dorothy is a whiz
with a fax machine...
Actually, I never did much faxing. But I go back to when Xerox
machines were new, rare, and expensive. When I worked for
Mechanical Engineering (UC Berkeley) in the sixties, we had a
Thermofax that worked as follows: (a) take the original and
lay a sheet of translucent pink paper over it; (b) run it
through a slot that would expose it to light; (c) remove the
tissue paper and fit it over a slick sheet of copy paper;
(d) run that through another slot (unless it was the same slot,
though I don't think so) and the copy paper would come out with
the image.
That sounds something like the copy machine used by James Bond in /On
Her Majesty's Secret Service/. It was state of the art -- then. Now
its hilarious.

Were the copies gray? Did they tend to fade? Or run if the paper got
wet?
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-04 17:53:30 UTC
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I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
The senior generation are entitled to make that choice.
They learned a bunch of stuff already and a lot of it got
taken away.
I don't remember either way but I'll bet Dorothy is a whiz
with a fax machine...
Actually, I never did much faxing. But I go back to when Xerox
machines were new, rare, and expensive. When I worked for
Mechanical Engineering (UC Berkeley) in the sixties, we had a
Thermofax that worked as follows: (a) take the original and
lay a sheet of translucent pink paper over it; (b) run it
through a slot that would expose it to light; (c) remove the
tissue paper and fit it over a slick sheet of copy paper;
(d) run that through another slot (unless it was the same slot,
though I don't think so) and the copy paper would come out with
the image.
That sounds something like the copy machine used by James Bond in /On
Her Majesty's Secret Service/. It was state of the art -- then. Now
its hilarious.
I never saw that one, but I've seen so many movies with scenes
set in computer rooms ... with banks of tape drives, just like
the one I was working for in the mid-1960s.

(When I put _The Interior Life_ on my webpage, I made a couple of
updates, but I left the computer stuff entirely alone, saying,
"Of all things that go outdated over time, computer technology
leads the parade. I've made a few minor changes, fixing plot
inconsistencies and so forth, but I have not tried to change the
computer stuff. If I had, Fred would not be buying a PS/2 running
DOS and maybe Windows 3.1; he would be buying a Raspberry Pi
[$35] running Raspbian Linux[(downloaded for free].")
Post by Paul S Person
Were the [Thermofax] copies gray?
Yes.
Post by Paul S Person
Did they tend to fade? Or run if the paper got wet?
I don't remember. It's entirely possible, but since the copies
were almost all filed away in Pendaflex folders, they didn't have
a chance to get sun-struck or wet.

Mind you, these were copies of something we'd received from
somewhere else. Our correspondence was typed on electric
typewriters, with two carbons: one for the relevant file (which
could be in the possession of the relevant faculty member and we
would never see it again) and one for the chronological file.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Jack Bohn
2020-06-04 21:47:52 UTC
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(When I put _The Interior Life_ on my webpage, I made a couple of 
updates, but I left the computer stuff entirely alone, saying, 
"Of all things that go outdated over time, computer technology 
leads the parade.  I've made a few minor changes, fixing plot 
inconsistencies and so forth, but I have not tried to change the 
computer stuff.  If I had, Fred would not be buying a PS/2 running 
DOS and maybe Windows 3.1; he would be buying a Raspberry Pi 
[$35] running Raspbian Linux[(downloaded for free].") 
But, but, being on a webpage, you could! You could update the type of computer Fred buys every time Hal changes the type of computer he buys. (I wonder if it could be automated such that every time a new computer joins your network you get sent a reminder.)
--
-Jack
Alan Baker
2020-06-04 00:14:09 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without
paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of
them but they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do
it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
The average chimpanzee (and Apple user) can figure out how to install
apps in a Mac. I'm 100% certain that Hal is smarter than the average
chimpanzee.
I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
The senior generation are entitled to make that choice.
And they are entitle to be criticized for it.
Post by Robert Carnegie
They learned a bunch of stuff already and a lot of it got
taken away.
And this is a reason to stop trying to learn?
Chrysi Cat
2020-06-04 00:24:43 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without
paying more than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of
them but they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do
it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
The average chimpanzee (and Apple user) can figure out how to install
apps in a Mac. I'm 100% certain that Hal is smarter than the average
chimpanzee.
I'm smarter than the average chimpanzee myself: you yourself have
said so. But I don't know how to install apps in a Mac.
And you never EVER try and learn anything new.
The senior generation are entitled to make that choice.
They learned a bunch of stuff already and a lot of it got
taken away.
I don’t remember either way but I’ll bet Dorothy is a whiz
with a fax machine... though I think she mentioned Meg (?)
having to /drive around/ transporting documents on
paper, for work. Until the Coronavirus arrived.
I would suspect that's because a lot of _California_ official court-and
possibly also other notarised--documents still have physical embossing
either of the paper itself or via foil stamp that's attached, just the
way the 30-something-year-old (if not 40; I know my mother used to keep
it in a local safe-deposit box before tranny me might need it at any
time she was appying for a job and it may be the 'original' from the
hospital in San Jose) copy of my birth cert does.

But Dorothy would have to confirm whether that's still the case or
they've moved to the point of plain paper, which yes, would seem to make
it just fine to still fax. Or for that matter, to email PDFs which can
be printed, scanned and emailed back the way my parents are able to deal
with all their current _Colorado_ legal issues.

Still, that's not a case of anything being taken away, because I highly
doubt there was any point at which the line of work currently done by
Daughter didn't require physical couriering.

Also, heck, *I* know how to use a fax machine and a trunk-line phone
system with cubicle extensions, and I'm the kid in here by far, just by
virtue of having attended college with people who'd been in HS after
Columbine!

There _is_ plenty she's had the usefulness of taken away, however, I'll
grant you that.

Starting with keypunch training (whereas the only thing I've likely lost
is a reasonable 10-key-by-touch that left the first two jobs in my
adulthood as data entry, plus the ability to change a ribbon on a
commercial-scale dot-matrix printer. Which I think ruined three of my
favourite tops when I wasn't quite careful enough).
--
Chrysi Cat
1/2 anthrocat, nearly 1/2 anthrofox, all magical
Transgoddess, quick to anger.
Call me Chrysi or call me Kat, I'll respond to either!
Lawrence Watt-Evans
2020-06-04 03:51:59 UTC
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Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
if you buy a kindle book from amazon you can read it without paying more
than the price of the book either
- on the amazon site
- on an application on a windows or mac computer
- apps on android/iphone or ipad (I don't think you have any of them but
they're there for completeness)
If you're interested I'm sure that Hal can figure out how to do it and set it up for you
I doubt it. He doesn't do Apple software. It's possible that
Meg might.
It's not Apple.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml
Lawrence Watt-Evans
2020-06-04 03:49:06 UTC
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Taking into account that to buy a Kindle Anything would cost
money, whereas I already have a PC monitor.
The Kindle app for computers or smartphones is free. They make their
money selling the blades... I mean, the content, not the reader.
--
My webpage is at http://www.watt-evans.com
My latest novel is Stone Unturned: A Legend of Ethshar.
See http://www.ethshar.com/StoneUnturned.shtml
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-02 20:21:15 UTC
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Um. Is there any available explanation on how to do that?

What I know how to do with computers is UNIX text-processing,
plus simple forms of newsreading.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Default User
2020-06-02 22:00:06 UTC
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On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Um. Is there any available explanation on how to do that?
The basics for setting up Calibre are here:

https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2013/01/25/how-to-remove-drm-from-kindle-ebooks-in-4-easy-steps/

Then for newer Kindle formats there is an additional bit. It's laid out here:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283371

I used method 2, as it's a one-time run of a program.

I'm glad I bookmarked those, as I don't remember the details, but I should save that text in case some of these forums get nuked.

Brian
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-06-02 22:51:23 UTC
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On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Um. Is there any available explanation on how to do that?
https://blog.the-ebook-reader.com/2013/01/25/how-to-remove-drm-from-kindle-ebooks-in-4-easy-steps/
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283371
I used method 2, as it's a one-time run of a program.
I'm glad I bookmarked those, as I don't remember the details, but I
should save that text in case some of these forums get nuked.
Thanks; I've saved the link. Haven't looked at it yet, and I
doubt I'll understand it, but I can ask my daughter, who might be
able to figure it out.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Jaimie Vandenbergh
2020-06-02 22:41:56 UTC
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Post by Don
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
On Calibre? Not directly. However, if you purchase this collection
on Amazon ($2.99 at the moment), you will be able to download it as a
file. If you install a Calibre plugin that can strip Amazon's DRM
protection, you will then be able to import the file into Calibre.
Um. Is there any available explanation on how to do that?
What I know how to do with computers is UNIX text-processing,
plus simple forms of newsreading.
You can get Kindle books into Calibre using the Apprentice Alf plugins, but
you need to have the Kindle application running too to get the decryption keys
- which means you need a Windows or Mac machine to do that with. If you've got
a Windows box in the house, Hal should be able to get that working from
https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/

Cheers - Jaimie
--
I hope I live long enough
to vindicate my pessimism -- http://www.boasas.com/?c=1108
Scott Lurndal
2020-06-02 19:16:06 UTC
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So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
If you have access to the binary groups, see alt.binaries.e-book
where a bunch of Hamilton's works have been posted.
Scott Lurndal
2020-06-02 19:17:53 UTC
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So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
There are also eight titles at gutenberg.org.
t***@gmail.com
2020-06-02 20:38:33 UTC
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So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
There are also eight titles at gutenberg.org.
Odd! For me (in the US) there are only 6 titles listed. There are an additional
6 (different) Hamilton stories at the bottom of this page
http://famous-and-forgotten-fiction.com/writings/hamilton.html
ranging from 1926 to 1934.

Tony
J. Clarke
2020-06-02 23:18:26 UTC
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I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
So, hmmm.... are these books available either in print form or in
some format I can put on Calibre? I don't own a Kindle and don't
intend to.
Don't need one. You can view in a web browser using "Kindle Cloud
Reader" or on a PC using the Kindle app.
t***@gmail.com
2020-06-02 20:36:56 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Just piggybacking - isfdb does list, near the very bottom of Hamilton's page,
"Hamilton's Own Chronology of the Two Thousand Centuries and the Kingdoms of the Stars",
which is indeed in _ The Last of the Star Kings _ , appearing after the introduction
you just quoted, and before the novella "The Star Hunter".

Tony
Ahasuerus
2020-06-02 20:45:08 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Just piggybacking - isfdb does list, near the very bottom of
Hamilton's page, "Hamilton's Own Chronology of the Two Thousand
Centuries and the Kingdoms of the Stars", which is indeed in _The
Last of the Star Kings _, appearing after the introduction you
just quoted, and before the novella "The Star Hunter".
That's right, I added the collection a few hours ago. What the site
doesn't do is list "The Star Hunter", "The Tattooed Man" and other
stories set in the "Two Thousand Centuries" universe as belonging to
the same series. At least not yet.
t***@gmail.com
2020-06-02 21:14:45 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely the book packagers I think.
I notice that ISFDB doesn't recognize "The Two Thousand Centuries"
as a Hamilton setting.
It's a relatively recent development which we haven't accounted for yet.
"... earlier this year when the editors of _Futures Past Editions_
discovered, in a series of 1950s digest magazines, two further
"complete novels" by Hamilton set in the Star Kings universe.
One, _The Star Hunter_, takes place a few thousand years before the
events of _The Star Kings_. The second, _The Tattooed Man_, is the
capstone of the saga, taking place tens of thousands of years after
the era of _The Star Kings_, when they are a half-forgotten legend
believed only by children. It is possible that this story's
connection with _The Star Kings_ was overlooked because it was issued
under a pseudonym bestowed by the magazine's publisher. It was
identifiable as part of the Star Kings saga only because the
climactic scene took place at one of _The Star Kings'_ key locations."
[snip]
"_The Last of the Star Kings_ includes these and a very special
extended version of Edmond Hamilton's future history (as given in
_The Star Kings_), which covers the two thousand centuries between
our own time and that of the Star Kings. (According to an earlier
statement by the author, more than half of his science fiction
stories are set in this future history, which also includes his
famed _Captain Future_ novels)."
So yes, many of Hamilton's works are set in the same universe, but
the links can be hard to recognize because "Two Thousand Centuries"
is a very long time -- see the note about _The Tattooed Man_ above.
Just piggybacking - isfdb does list, near the very bottom of
Hamilton's page, "Hamilton's Own Chronology of the Two Thousand
Centuries and the Kingdoms of the Stars", which is indeed in _The
Last of the Star Kings _, appearing after the introduction you
just quoted, and before the novella "The Star Hunter".
That's right, I added the collection a few hours ago.
I suspected your legendary efficiency was the cause... :)
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What the site
doesn't do is list "The Star Hunter", "The Tattooed Man" and other
stories set in the "Two Thousand Centuries" universe as belonging to
the same series. At least not yet.
Paul S Person
2020-06-02 17:06:17 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I was looking at Hamilton on Amazon, and I see a lot of his work is
now claimed for a "future history" called "The Two Thousand Centuries".
I had never heard this before. Is this somebody's back-fitting, like
trying to work out a Laumer timeline, or is this a known thing described
in a Hamilton essay somewhere?
Given "Future History"'s association with Heinlein perhaps someone made
a mistake at Amazon?
More likely, if it isn't something the author thought up, it is a
marketing gimmick, possibly by Amazon.

After all, if they can put the books into a /series/ they can sell
readers of book 1 on book 2 and so on.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
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