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stop with the unexplained acronyms !
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Lynn McGuire
2021-09-14 17:48:22 UTC
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Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now. He is throwing around COLIN and UNGLA like I
should know what these mean. I have no freaking idea except COLIN has
something to do with the Mars colonization effort and UNGLA might have
something to do with the UN. If you are going to use acronyms in your
book then please provide a glossary !
https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Richard-K-Morgan/dp/0345480899/

Lynn
Robert Carnegie
2021-09-14 22:52:52 UTC
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Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now. He is throwing around COLIN and UNGLA like I
should know what these mean. I have no freaking idea except COLIN has
something to do with the Mars colonization effort and UNGLA might have
something to do with the UN. If you are going to use acronyms in your
book then please provide a glossary !
https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Richard-K-Morgan/dp/0345480899/
Lynn
It's a bit of a thing in Ben Aaronovitch's "Rivers of London"
series, where a lot of the acronyms are British police terms
like POLSA, which I think is "police search advisor",
a forensic procedure specialist. But then you get a forensic
wizard (really) checking for magic by doing an IVA,
Initial Vestigia Assessment. In book, most police don't
like the "m" word, and probably are more comfortable with
an acronymic second language where you can not admit that
that's what you're talking about. Magic objects and people
have also been called "special", and magic in general called
"weird bollocks" - sorry.
Quadibloc
2021-09-14 23:51:35 UTC
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Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.

Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.

COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.

John Savard
Lynn McGuire
2021-09-15 00:12:06 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-15 03:14:38 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Lynn McGuire
2021-09-15 03:57:13 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I know it, I was ranting. I was just glad to have power this morning,
hurricane Nicholas went over us at 4 am. Our home generator ran until
11 am apparently.

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-15 05:05:56 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I know it, I was ranting. I was just glad to have power this morning,
hurricane Nicholas went over us at 4 am. Our home generator ran until
11 am apparently.
Do you have power now (other than the generator)?

Fingers crossed for you and your neighbors.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Lynn McGuire
2021-09-15 05:35:50 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I know it, I was ranting. I was just glad to have power this morning,
hurricane Nicholas went over us at 4 am. Our home generator ran until
11 am apparently.
Do you have power now (other than the generator)?
Fingers crossed for you and your neighbors.
We got our power back at 11 am. But there were several generators still
running in our area. When I came home, everyone had power.

Nicholas was not that bad. 75 mph winds gusting to 90 mph for about two
hours.

Ike was freaking nasty (2008). 90+ mph winds gusting to 100+ mph for
eight hours.

Lynn
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-15 12:58:32 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could
give offence,
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I know it, I was ranting. I was just glad to have power this morning,
hurricane Nicholas went over us at 4 am. Our home generator ran until
11 am apparently.
Do you have power now (other than the generator)?
Fingers crossed for you and your neighbors.
We got our power back at 11 am. But there were several generators still
running in our area. When I came home, everyone had power.
Nicholas was not that bad. 75 mph winds gusting to 90 mph for about two
hours.
Ike was freaking nasty (2008). 90+ mph winds gusting to 100+ mph for
eight hours.
Glad to hear Nicholas was (relatively) easy on you. My first
reaction, when he appeared on the newswebs, was "Holy Cat!
They're already down to the letter N?"

Do take care, and get the generator re-fueled before whatever
begins with O shows up. As I know you will.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Lynn McGuire
2021-09-15 23:06:24 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could
give offence,
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I know it, I was ranting. I was just glad to have power this morning,
hurricane Nicholas went over us at 4 am. Our home generator ran until
11 am apparently.
Do you have power now (other than the generator)?
Fingers crossed for you and your neighbors.
We got our power back at 11 am. But there were several generators still
running in our area. When I came home, everyone had power.
Nicholas was not that bad. 75 mph winds gusting to 90 mph for about two
hours.
Ike was freaking nasty (2008). 90+ mph winds gusting to 100+ mph for
eight hours.
Glad to hear Nicholas was (relatively) easy on you. My first
reaction, when he appeared on the newswebs, was "Holy Cat!
They're already down to the letter N?"
Do take care, and get the generator re-fueled before whatever
begins with O shows up. As I know you will.
I have a 38 kw whole house generator that runs on natural gas from my
gas meter. I just got it installed in August, I ordered it last
February, one week before the Texas freeze. It would have been nice to
had it then but, I have it now. It is liquid cooled and quiet.
Loading Image...

Several of my neighbors are still without power. Apparently most of the
transformers for an entire subdivision of 1,000 homes have shorted out.
The electric company is replacing them as fast as they can ...

Lynn
Paul S Person
2021-09-15 16:16:47 UTC
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 00:35:50 -0500, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I know it, I was ranting. I was just glad to have power this morning,
hurricane Nicholas went over us at 4 am. Our home generator ran until
11 am apparently.
Do you have power now (other than the generator)?
Fingers crossed for you and your neighbors.
We got our power back at 11 am. But there were several generators still
running in our area. When I came home, everyone had power.
Nicholas was not that bad. 75 mph winds gusting to 90 mph for about two
hours.
Ike was freaking nasty (2008). 90+ mph winds gusting to 100+ mph for
eight hours.
Up hear, we are looking at a normal September storm this weekend --
lots of rain, lots of wind (peaking at 15mph), and snow in the
mountains (which may enable a ski season, pandemic permitting).

The grass will love it. More to the point, so will the trees.

Clearly /nothing/ like Nicholas, never mind Ike.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Tony Nance
2021-09-15 14:27:26 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I find https://acronymfinder.com/ to be very helpful.
- Tony
Moriarty
2021-09-15 23:40:03 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give offence,
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
That could backfire on you.

GOATSE

-Moriarty
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-16 01:49:02 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give
offence,
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
That could backfire on you.
GOATSE
Never saw that one before ....

/google

How immature.

Does anybody remember the comic "Naughty Lenny of Laredo"? He
rode a tricycle and make joked about doggy poop. He was a
takeoff on Lenny Bruce.

Does anybody Remember Lenny Bruce?

In another vein, I recently had to google GOAT. Turns out to
mean "Greatest of All Time," in connection with some sport or
other.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Kevrob
2021-09-16 07:06:48 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the same sense as
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give
offence,
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Quadibloc
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was changed for
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority, and
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science fiction.
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
That could backfire on you.
GOATSE
Never saw that one before ....
/google
How immature.
Does anybody remember the comic "Naughty Lenny of Laredo"? He
rode a tricycle and make joked about doggy poop. He was a
takeoff on Lenny Bruce.
Does anybody Remember Lenny Bruce?
I know OF Lenny Bruce.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In another vein, I recently had to google GOAT. Turns out to
mean "Greatest of All Time," in connection with some sport or
other.
--
As for a "goat" in sports, I grew up reading Bill Gallo's sports cartoons
in the New York Daily News. Heck, I delivered the News for a moment
in the late 60s, on my trusty Schwinn. Gallo did a cartoon for every
World Series game, designating one player the "Hero" and another
the "Goat."

[quote]

In his book, Mickey Mantle expressed how he feared becoming a
goat during World Series time. "I don't ever want to make Gallo's
horns cartoon," he said.

[/quote] -

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/hero-goat-horns-50-article-1.226907

Outside the Series, Fritz Peterson and Mike Kekich hung the horns
on each other. :)

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/original-wife-swap-yankee-pitchers-trade-lives-article-1.2138703
--
Kevin R
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2021-09-16 12:10:20 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:25:03 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-6, Lynn
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by
Richard
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the
same sense as
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give
offence,
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was
changed for
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative
Authority, and
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science
fiction.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
That could backfire on you.
GOATSE
Never saw that one before ....
/google
How immature.
Does anybody remember the comic "Naughty Lenny of Laredo"? He
rode a tricycle and make joked about doggy poop. He was a
takeoff on Lenny Bruce.
Does anybody Remember Lenny Bruce?
I know OF Lenny Bruce.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In another vein, I recently had to google GOAT. Turns out to
mean "Greatest of All Time," in connection with some sport or
other.
--
As for a "goat" in sports, I grew up reading Bill Gallo's sports cartoons
in the New York Daily News. Heck, I delivered the News for a moment
in the late 60s, on my trusty Schwinn. Gallo did a cartoon for every
World Series game, designating one player the "Hero" and another
the "Goat."
[quote]
In his book, Mickey Mantle expressed how he feared becoming a
goat during World Series time. "I don't ever want to make Gallo's
horns cartoon," he said.
GOAT confused me as well -- It's something Charlie Brown worried about
being a number of times.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-16 13:11:30 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:25:03 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 11:48:31 AM UTC-6, Lynn
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by
Richard
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
K. Morgan right now.
I did some Googling, and found reviews of the book.
Its original title in Britain was "Black Man" - black in the
same sense as
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
a 'black op' being a covert operation - but as the title could give
offence,
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
or at the least, cause confusion, in the United States, it was
changed for
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
that market.
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative
Authority, and
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
John Savard
Thanks ! I could have googled that but I was too torqued about the
unexplained acronyms as it is a very common problem across science
fiction.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
That could backfire on you.
GOATSE
Never saw that one before ....
/google
How immature.
Does anybody remember the comic "Naughty Lenny of Laredo"? He
rode a tricycle and make joked about doggy poop. He was a
takeoff on Lenny Bruce.
Does anybody Remember Lenny Bruce?
I know OF Lenny Bruce.
Close enough. I never met him either, one of life's smaller
blessings.
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In another vein, I recently had to google GOAT. Turns out to
mean "Greatest of All Time," in connection with some sport or
other.
--
As for a "goat" in sports, I grew up reading Bill Gallo's sports cartoons
in the New York Daily News. Heck, I delivered the News for a moment
in the late 60s, on my trusty Schwinn. Gallo did a cartoon for every
World Series game, designating one player the "Hero" and another
the "Goat."
And now it's a title to be striven for.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Kevrob
2021-09-18 00:09:09 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 1:25:03 PM UTC+10, Dorothy J
[snip]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Kevrob
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In another vein, I recently had to google GOAT. Turns out to
mean "Greatest of All Time," in connection with some sport or
other.
--
As for a "goat" in sports, I grew up reading Bill Gallo's sports cartoons
in the New York Daily News. Heck, I delivered the News for a moment
in the late 60s, on my trusty Schwinn. Gallo did a cartoon for every
World Series game, designating one player the "Hero" and another
the "Goat."
And now it's a title to be striven for.
--
Muhammad Ali would call himself "the greatest of ALL time," BITD.

[quote]

The funky delivery, the boasts, the comical trash talk, the endless quotables:
As a rhyming trickster in the early Sixties, the greatest boxer who ever lived
was also a cornerstone in the early development of hip-hop music. “Without
Muhammad Ali, there would be no ‘Mama Said Knock You Out, and the term
G.O.A.T. would have never been coined,” LL Cool J tells Rolling Stone.

[/quote] - Rolling Stone

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/muhammad-ali-worlds-greatest-boxer-was-also-hip-hop-pioneer-152560/

LLCJ released an album entitled G.O.A.T. in 2000, but other
rappers used it first in some tracks.

https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2016/07/goat.html

Which also documents the old style usage going back to 1909.

Lonnie Ali trademarked the term when she formed a company
to manage her husband's image and likeness - then got a big
payday for a huge chunk of it!

https://money.cnn.com/2006/04/11/news/newsmakers/muhammad_ali/

Tip of the ballcap {or Kangol} to:

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/goat-greatest-of-all-time-origin-muhammad-ali-ll-cool-j
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Kevin R
Kevrob
2021-09-16 07:16:36 UTC
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On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 10:00:03 PM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:

[snip]
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Does anybody Remember Lenny Bruce?
[/snip]

Bruce died in 1966, when I was not yet 10, so anything I
saw about him on TV or on film was post-mortem.

There was the 1974 film with Dustin Hoffman and
(hubba! hubba!) Valerine Perrine. Based on the
play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_(film)

{ObSF/ComicsFilm "Miss Teschmacher !!!!}
--
Kevin R
Quadibloc
2021-09-16 12:33:01 UTC
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Post by Kevrob
{ObSF/ComicsFilm "Miss Teschmacher !!!!}
And let us not forget Slaughterhouse-Five.

John Savard
Joy Beeson
2021-09-20 03:25:17 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I take it for granted that somebody who can't be bothered to define it
on first reference doesn't want me to know.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-20 04:43:18 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I take it for granted that somebody who can't be bothered to define it
on first reference doesn't want me to know.
To define one's terms on first reference is certainly the act of
a gentleperson and a scholar.

But too often someone will think, "Oh, everybody knows that one;
I use it every day."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dimensional Traveler
2021-09-20 10:27:08 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I take it for granted that somebody who can't be bothered to define it
on first reference doesn't want me to know.
To define one's terms on first reference is certainly the act of
a gentleperson and a scholar.
But too often someone will think, "Oh, everybody knows that one;
I use it every day."
https://xkcd.com/2501/
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-09-20 13:11:40 UTC
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I take it for granted that somebody who can't be bothered to define it
on first reference doesn't want me to know.
To define one's terms on first reference is certainly the act of
a gentleperson and a scholar.
But too often someone will think, "Oh, everybody knows that one;
I use it every day."
https://xkcd.com/2501/
Heh, yes, except when they underestimate. When I was about to
have one of my parathyroids out (I still have three), the surgeon
sat me down with pencil and paper and explained that the thyroid
was a butterfly-shaped gland in the throat (he drew a little
picture) and the four parathyroids were set around it. That
much, I already knew. But I just smiled and nodded.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Paul S Person
2021-09-20 16:08:09 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
I take it for granted that everybody else on the Internet uses
acronyms that I never heard of, and if I want to understand them
I have to google for them. Usually I can find them, and then I
usually forget about them.
I take it for granted that somebody who can't be bothered to define it
on first reference doesn't want me to know.
To define one's terms on first reference is certainly the act of
a gentleperson and a scholar.
But too often someone will think, "Oh, everybody knows that one;
I use it every day."
https://xkcd.com/2501/
Heh, yes, except when they underestimate. When I was about to
have one of my parathyroids out (I still have three), the surgeon
sat me down with pencil and paper and explained that the thyroid
was a butterfly-shaped gland in the throat (he drew a little
picture) and the four parathyroids were set around it. That
much, I already knew. But I just smiled and nodded.
I once heard a similar joke involving theologians, but the terms
involved were so highly specialized that I no longer recall what they
were, never mind what they meant.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Default User
2021-09-15 01:38:18 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
COLIN is apparently the United Nations COLonial INitiative Authority,
and UNGLA is the United Nations Genetic Legislation Authority.
In his book Thin Air, he mentions COLIN. He more or less defines it in
that one:


PARTICLE SLAM DUNK—GET WET, WHY DON’T YOU! A JOINT CODING VENTURE,
BROUGHT TO YOU BY PARTICLE SLAM, IN CAPITAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COLONY
INITIATIVE.
Yeah, COLIN strikes again—ubiquitous, all-powerful corporate midwives
to mankind in space.


UNGLA doesn't appear.


Brian
p***@hotmail.com
2021-09-15 04:56:26 UTC
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Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now. He is throwing around COLIN and UNGLA like I
should know what these mean. I have no freaking idea except COLIN has
something to do with the Mars colonization effort and UNGLA might have
something to do with the UN. If you are going to use acronyms in your
book then please provide a glossary !
https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Richard-K-Morgan/dp/0345480899/
Many years ago I read, in the letters section of _Analog_ magazine, about a then-new organization
dedicated to fighting this very problem: SAFEBAGEL (Scientists Against Far-out, Extensive,
Burdensome Acronyms Getting Entrenched in Language). Perhaps it's time to revive this.

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist
jack tingle
2021-09-15 13:39:46 UTC
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Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now. He is throwing around COLIN and UNGLA like I
should know what these mean. I have no freaking idea except COLIN has
something to do with the Mars colonization effort and UNGLA might have
something to do with the UN. If you are going to use acronyms in your
book then please provide a glossary !
https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Richard-K-Morgan/dp/0345480899/
Lynn
You need a FUI, or maybe the DICNAVABS.
Helpfully, Jack Tingle
Tony Nance
2021-09-15 14:26:20 UTC
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Post by jack tingle
Stop with the unexplained acronyms ! I am reading "Thirteen" by Richard
K. Morgan right now. He is throwing around COLIN and UNGLA like I
should know what these mean. I have no freaking idea except COLIN has
something to do with the Mars colonization effort and UNGLA might have
something to do with the UN. If you are going to use acronyms in your
book then please provide a glossary !
https://www.amazon.com/Thirteen-Richard-K-Morgan/dp/0345480899/
Lynn
You need a FUI, or maybe the DICNAVABS.
Helpfully, Jack Tingle
^^^^^^^^^^
ITYM "HTH, HAND"
- Tony :)
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