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Remember when some here argued that charging stations for electric vehicles couldn't exist in public?
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Alan Baker
2019-05-17 22:10:24 UTC
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Yeah...

<https://www.plugshare.com/>

Zoom out and look at all of North America.

Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.

:-)
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-05-17 23:19:45 UTC
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I asked you first.

Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
Alan Baker
2019-05-17 23:29:10 UTC
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I asked you first.
Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?
So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?
Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
Can't deal with your failure, Terry?

Yeah... ...you never could.

:-)
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-05-18 05:04:11 UTC
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I asked you first.

Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-05-18 05:06:54 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
I asked you first.
No, coward...

...you really didn't.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?
So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?
Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-05-18 08:21:36 UTC
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I asked you first.

Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-05-18 08:53:38 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
I asked you first.
Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?
So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?
Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
Running away with one's tail between one's legs?

Wouldn't that be running away from a discussion where one claimed that
electric chargers couldn't ever exist because drug addicts with steal
their copper?

:-)
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-05-18 18:50:16 UTC
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I asked you first.

Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-05-18 19:09:26 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
I asked you first.
Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?
So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?
Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
Can't reply on topic, huh?

Coward.

:-)
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-05-19 04:51:31 UTC
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I asked you first.

Why are you so afraid to answer the questions, Alan?

So exactly what part of the CBP numbers on how many illegals are
crossing the border per month right now (90,000 in March) do you
dispute, and why?
Be specific. Name names. Who is the head of the criminal conspiracy
to inflate the numbers?

Or are you running away, tail between your legs, again?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
2019-05-19 01:11:57 UTC
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Nope. No one ever argued that.

You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging stations
could not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the case.
--
Sea Wasp
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Ninapenda Jibini
2019-05-19 04:56:09 UTC
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Nope. No one ever argued that.
You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging stations
could not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the
case.
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get their
way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state that
is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during wind
storms, and has essentially banned all new construction on
generating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on the
grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.

It's like they don't remember what happened when Gray Davis fucked
with Calfornians' cars.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Mike Van Pelt
2019-05-20 22:06:16 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get their
way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state that
is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during wind
storms, and has essentially banned all new construction on
generating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on the
grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.
Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialism
from the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.
--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-05-20 22:35:13 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get their
way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state
that is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during
wind storms, and has essentially banned all new construction on
generating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on
the grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.
Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialism
from the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.
Our state government isn't smart enough to even spell denialsm. Or
energy. Or soft. Or "a".

Mostly, they're just stupid. (But not the stupidest. Missouri is
still king. California even fails at failing.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
J. Clarke
2019-05-21 01:01:27 UTC
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Post by Mike Van Pelt
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get their
way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state that
is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during wind
storms, and has essentially banned all new construction on
generating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on the
grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.
Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialism
from the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.
Maybe the Feds should decide that blackouts "impact interstate
commerce" and find Californica a few billion dollars for every day of
blackout.
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-05-21 02:57:26 UTC
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Post by Mike Van Pelt
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get
their way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a
state that is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts
during wind storms, and has essentially banned all new
construction on generating capacity in state, they want to
increase the load on the grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.
Just another variation on the theme of Arithmetic Denialism
from the "Soft Energy Paths" folks.
Maybe the Feds should decide that blackouts "impact interstate
commerce" and find Californica a few billion dollars for every
day of blackout.
Given that that would directly - and negatively - affect the
ability to mitigate the cause of the blackouts, it wouldn't
surprise me in the least if they did. Nor would it surprise me of
the California legislature turned their considerable talent for
stupid evil towards provoking the feds to do so.

(The situation is as follows: Pacific Gas & Electric - whose
service area is most of the state - is in bankruptcy right now due
to the liability of having caused several massive wildfires in the
last year or two, including the deadly Camp fire. The reason being
that they have neglected to trim trees and brush back from their
power lines, and California gets . . . windy at times. Wind blowing
power lines around causes sparks, and sparks in trees - especially
after the very wet rainy season the last two years - causes fires,
made far, far worse by aforementioned rains and the vegetation
growth that results. Since they really don't have the money to get
caught up on the desperately needed landscape maintence right now,
the choice they have is to either shut down the grid in areas
getting high winds - expected to last up to a week at a time - or
risk another Camp scale mega-fire. Sadly, between those two,
blackouts actually are the right choice. In the end, the state will
end up paying for all the work that needs to be done, because the
feds won't, though they may contribute a nominal amount of money to
the cause. Ergo, every billion spent on anything else is one less
billion available for the needed landcape maintainence. I'm very
glad I live in So Cal Edison's service area.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-07 03:59:15 UTC
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Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nope. No one ever argued that.
You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging stations
could not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the
case.
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get their
way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a state that
is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts during wind
storms, and has essentially banned all new construction on
generating capacity in state, they want to increase the load on the
grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.
It's like they don't remember what happened when Gray Davis f*****
with Calfornians' cars.
"General Electric to scrap California power plant 20 years early"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ge-power/general-electric-to-scrap-california-power-plant-20-years-early-idUSKCN1TM2MV

"The 750-megawatt natural-gas-fired plant, known as the Inland Empire
Energy Center, uses two of GE’s H-Class turbines, developed only in the
last decade, before the company’s successor gas turbine, the flagship HA
model, which uses different technology."

"The closure illustrates stiff competition in the deregulated energy
market as cheap wind and solar supply more electricity, squeezing out
fossil fuels. Some utilities say they have no plans to build more fossil
plants."

California's plans to run everything off electricity might get dicey in
the future as the subsidized wind and solar force the fossil fuel plants
off the market.

Lynn
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 08:20:42 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
Nope. No one ever argued that.
You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such
charging stations
could not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the case.
As California may find out if the morons in Sacramento get
their way and ban internal combustion engines entirely. In a
state that is _already_ planning on up to week long blackouts
during wind storms, and has essentially banned all new
construction on generating capacity in state, they want to
increase the load on the grid by at least 30-40%, if not more.
It's like they don't remember what happened when Gray Davis
f***** with Calfornians' cars.
"General Electric to scrap California power plant 20 years
early"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ge-power/general-electric-to-s
crap-california-power-plant-20-years-early-idUSKCN1TM2MV
"The 750-megawatt natural-gas-fired plant, known as the Inland
Empire Energy Center, uses two of GE’s H-Class turbines,
developed only in the last decade, before the company’s
successor gas turbine, the flagship HA model, which uses
different technology."
"The closure illustrates stiff competition in the deregulated
energy market as cheap wind and solar supply more electricity,
squeezing out fossil fuels. Some utilities say they have no
plans to build more fossil plants."
California's plans to run everything off electricity might get
dicey in the future as the subsidized wind and solar force the
fossil fuel plants off the market.
And the monkeys in Sacramento know that, and just don't care.
*They* won't be affected, no matter how expensive things get,
because the lobbyists will keep them well paid.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-05-19 05:19:26 UTC
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    Nope. No one ever argued that.
    You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging
stations could not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the
case.
I'm sorry, but you're quite wrong.

It was specifically argued that electric charging stations couldn't be
made widely available because drug addicts would vandalize them for
their copper.
Robert Carnegie
2019-05-19 10:18:19 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
    Nope. No one ever argued that.
    You MAY be misremembering people arguing that such charging
stations could not be made to REPLACE gas stations, which is still the
case.
I'm sorry, but you're quite wrong.
Deliberately.

You're wasting your life.
Post by Alan Baker
It was specifically argued that electric charging stations couldn't be
made widely available because drug addicts would vandalize them for
their copper.
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 01:09:40 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
Or look at this:

<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>

That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird Sports
Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...

...right out in the open.

:-)
Peter Trei
2019-07-07 02:35:14 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird Sports
Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.

I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable that
was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parking
lot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't
a significant issue.

pt
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 05:25:27 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird Sports
Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable that
was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parking
lot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't
a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?

I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in the open
without armed guards would be vandalized in less than a day.

:-)
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 08:23:35 UTC
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open
air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of it
happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in the
open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than a
day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.

Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will any
time soon.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.

Are you still lying about Lynn being 100% correct in his claim that
tens of thousands of illegal immigrants are crossing the border
every month? June, the total was over 130,000. Caught, that is.
It's impossible to count how many got through.

Dumbass.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Peter Trei
2019-07-07 15:59:09 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open
air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of it
happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in the
open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than a
day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will any
time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's unfalsifiable;
he will simply assert that if a location has a charger, it's proof that that
place is not in a 'bad neighborhood'.

As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think the bigger
problem is the lack of predictable private parking in built-up areas; if you
can't charge up at home overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit),
an electric car is much less practical.

pt
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 17:40:36 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open
air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of it
happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in the
open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than a
day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will any
time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's unfalsifiable;
he will simply assert that if a location has a charger, it's proof that that
place is not in a 'bad neighborhood'.
Indeed!

"No true Scotsman"

:-)
Post by Peter Trei
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think the bigger
problem is the lack of predictable private parking in built-up areas; if you
can't charge up at home overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit),
an electric car is much less practical.
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 18:32:27 UTC
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
Indeed!
"No true Scotsman"
Still lying, because you literally *can't* stop yourself.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 18:31:57 UTC
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knows
it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stop
himself.
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think
the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking in
built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (which
may require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much less
practical.
And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's utterly
impossible.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 19:52:08 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knows
it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stop
himself.
Oh, Terry:

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Put
those out on the street and the average number of charges per
station before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>

Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.

:-)
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think
the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking in
built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (which
may require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much less
practical.
And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's utterly
impossible.
Impossible? Then how is it that these exist:

<https://www.google.com/maps/place/ChargePoint+Charging+Station/@49.2737642,-123.1538488,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x548672355ad38a63:0xf5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>

<https://www.google.com/maps/@49.273775,-123.1525565,3a,75y,312.41h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192>

Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minutes walk from
where I'm sitting.

No "concrete bunker" (yes, you really said that) required.

:-)
Peter Trei
2019-07-07 20:25:39 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knows
it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stop
himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Put
those out on the street and the average number of charges per
station before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of installation,
its still under 5 figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.

https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think
the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking in
built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (which
may require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much less
practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract customers, who
shop while their vehicle charges. These are known as 'destination chargers'.

pt
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 20:54:38 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he knows
it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally *can't* stop
himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Put
those out on the street and the average number of charges per
station before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of installation,
its still under 5 figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".

:-)
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I think
the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private parking in
built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home overnight (which
may require a dedicated circuit), an electric car is much less
practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract customers, who
shop while their vehicle charges. These are known as 'destination chargers'.
Doesn't surprise me at all.
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 23:05:30 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post is
lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.

Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.

You *will* now lie about it.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are
known as 'destination chargers'.
Doesn't surprise me at all.
You don't have the mental capacity to be surprised, because your
mental illness prevents you from seeing anything unexpected.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 01:28:42 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post is
lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Your quoted statement is lies?
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Nope.

You failed in your basic checking.

The unit he showed is for two cars.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 15:39:07 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard
one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly
isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway. Put those out on the street and the average
number of charges per station before they're vandalized
would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writt
en '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post
is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Your quoted statement is lies?
Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. The
deliberate change of context is a lie, too.

You know that. That's why you do it. You _must_ lie. You can't
stop yourself.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Nope.
Failed 3rd grade math, eh?
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per person
is more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really* stupid lie.
You have a reputation to maintain.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Scott Lurndal
2019-07-08 15:51:54 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per person
is more than 1.
I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around
15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100 chargers in
a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour period.
Peter Trei
2019-07-08 16:00:52 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per person
is more than 1.
I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around
15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100 chargers in
a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour period.
There isn't.

Terry's trying desperately to blow smoke over his error over 1 vs 2 stall
chargers, which blows his '7 figure' claim out of the water. Those are L2
chargers, which take several hours to charge up a car, and thus are suitable
for overnight use. I've bought a $500 consumer grade one myself.

However, I only brought up the V3 Superchargers, which juice up a car in
about 15 minutes, very late in the thread.

At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station, but not *that*
much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them in homes anytime soon; they
run at 250 kW.

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 16:55:23 UTC
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On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:51:57 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per
person is more than 1.
I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around
15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100
chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour
period.
There isn't.
It's still *my* parking space, part of my lease. Park in it, and
you'll be paying the tow company to get your car back.
Terry's trying desperately to blow smoke over his error over 1
vs 2 stall chargers, which blows his '7 figure' claim out of the
water. Those are L2 chargers, which take several hours to charge
up a car, and thus are suitable for overnight use. I've bought a
$500 consumer grade one myself.
You're conflating home chargers (which would also require new
electrical circuits be installed - and connected to each unit's
electric meter ir the installation of a second meter, not a cheap
prospect either way) with commercial charging stations.

You're also pretending that 200 superchargers, at, best I can tell,
150 kw each, is about 3 megawatts. That is, I suspect, more than
the entier complex is wired for now.

That, alone, could easily cost seven figures by the time you add in
the costs of permits, engineering fees, environmental impact
statements (yes, there would have to be one, welcome to California)
and upgrades to the infrastructure needed to supply similar
circuits to the dozen or more (mostly larger) complexes in the
neighborhood.

And that's still not taking into account that the average number of
cars per apartment is more than one.
However, I only brought up the V3 Superchargers, which juice up
a car in about 15 minutes, very late in the thread.
In a desperate attempt to change the subject to something even more
riduculous.
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,
but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them
in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for
400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lot
longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that take
you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heard
on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of one
Tesla with that kind of range.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-09 04:10:24 UTC
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On 7/8/2019 11:55 AM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,
but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them
in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for
400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lot
longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that take
you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heard
on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of one
Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost
$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).

There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house in
Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging there
and recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.

Lynn
Scott Lurndal
2019-07-09 13:28:26 UTC
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...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,
but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them
in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for
400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lot
longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that take
you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heard
on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of one
Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost
$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house in
Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging there
and recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.
I recently walked one of the 3-story parking garages at work (we have two, plus
a large surface lot). Aside from a couple of pickup trucks and an
Escalade, the only American vehicles were a dozen Teslas and a handful
of Volts and Bolts (and one Corvette). A large number of Prius and the
rest were mostly Toyotas (+ Lexus) and Hondas (+ Acura).

There are a dozen charging stations in the garage (employer provides two
hours of free charge daily).
Peter Trei
2019-07-09 13:44:51 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,
but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them
in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for
400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lot
longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that take
you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heard
on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of one
Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost
$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house in
Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging there
and recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.
Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets get some facts
down:

My Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range, and cost $42k all in,
$37k after subsidies. Look at the cost of regular cars these days -
a new, rock bottom Corolla is about $20k+ all in, with no subsidies, with
about 400 miles range.

Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge (SOC) than the
Corolla owner does about gas. But there are compensating issues.

1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. The latter is a
far nicer car, with performance, safety, handling, and amenities which blow
the Corolla out of the water. An equivalent ICE car would be a similar price
to an M3.

2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corolla is about $36.
The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Wh per mile, so about 100 KWh
for 400 miles. The commercial chargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and my
home electricity about 9 cents. 400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and
$25. At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actually free to
use, as businesses use them to draw in customers. I'm sure that even Terry's
apartment complex, that the landlord makes some profit from chargers won't
bother residents who now have a cheaper source of energy.

3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts. My next scheduled
maintenance is in 3 years, to check the battery coolant. I do have to replace
wipers, wiper fluid, and tires, but that's about it.

4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up. Gas stations are
dedicated facilities - you can't do anything else while fueling, and just
want it over as fast as possible.

Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can exist anywhere there's a
parking spot and an electrical supply. They are usually unstaffed (though
monitored over the net). Crucially, you don't have to stay
with the car. This means that you can do other stuff while charging. L2
chargers (the most common) take several hours to charge from zero to full,
but if its on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at a destination,
you may not be there long enough to get a full charge, but you can get a
substantial boost.

For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mall parking lot
on my way home. Typically, juicing up takes 20-30 minutes after a day's driving.
However, there's a Market Basket 100 yards away, so I usually walk over and do
any needed shopping for the day while the car charges.

Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had free L2 chargers,
and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the second day, but I was in the
show, not at the car. I spent about 60 seconds plugging in.

The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions, make electric cars viable for
people without dedicated off street parking. They add 75 miles in 5 minutes
(Terry lied in claiming 15), and a full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.

At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only, and are distributed to make
long-distance travel easier. They were part of the effort to make Teslas
appear viable for long trips. To expand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll have
to see more placed in cities, and expanded to other brands.

5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like Buying a Model T in
1911. They're flying off the shelves, but the infrastructure still needs
development, and mass production hasn't brought the price down. The Model T was
$680 in 1911, but only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordable
e-cars in the future.

pt
Lynn McGuire
2019-07-09 14:56:45 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas station,
but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be seeing them
in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes for
400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes a lot
longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will that take
you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range cost? Last I heard
on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas for the price of one
Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery cost
$69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery (yet).
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house in
Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car charging there
and recently saw five cars charging: three model 3, one S, and one X.
Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets get some facts
My Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range, and cost $42k all in,
$37k after subsidies. Look at the cost of regular cars these days -
a new, rock bottom Corolla is about $20k+ all in, with no subsidies, with
about 400 miles range.
Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge (SOC) than the
Corolla owner does about gas. But there are compensating issues.
1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. The latter is a
far nicer car, with performance, safety, handling, and amenities which blow
the Corolla out of the water. An equivalent ICE car would be a similar price
to an M3.
2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corolla is about $36.
The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Wh per mile, so about 100 KWh
for 400 miles. The commercial chargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and my
home electricity about 9 cents. 400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and
$25. At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actually free to
use, as businesses use them to draw in customers. I'm sure that even Terry's
apartment complex, that the landlord makes some profit from chargers won't
bother residents who now have a cheaper source of energy.
3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts. My next scheduled
maintenance is in 3 years, to check the battery coolant. I do have to replace
wipers, wiper fluid, and tires, but that's about it.
4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up. Gas stations are
dedicated facilities - you can't do anything else while fueling, and just
want it over as fast as possible.
Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can exist anywhere there's a
parking spot and an electrical supply. They are usually unstaffed (though
monitored over the net). Crucially, you don't have to stay
with the car. This means that you can do other stuff while charging. L2
chargers (the most common) take several hours to charge from zero to full,
but if its on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at a destination,
you may not be there long enough to get a full charge, but you can get a
substantial boost.
For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mall parking lot
on my way home. Typically, juicing up takes 20-30 minutes after a day's driving.
However, there's a Market Basket 100 yards away, so I usually walk over and do
any needed shopping for the day while the car charges.
Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had free L2 chargers,
and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the second day, but I was in the
show, not at the car. I spent about 60 seconds plugging in.
The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions, make electric cars viable for
people without dedicated off street parking. They add 75 miles in 5 minutes
(Terry lied in claiming 15), and a full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.
At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only, and are distributed to make
long-distance travel easier. They were part of the effort to make Teslas
appear viable for long trips. To expand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll have
to see more placed in cities, and expanded to other brands.
5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like Buying a Model T in
1911. They're flying off the shelves, but the infrastructure still needs
development, and mass production hasn't brought the price down. The Model T was
$680 in 1911, but only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordable
e-cars in the future.
pt
I forgot to mention that my cousin got the federal $7,500 tax rebate
when buying his Tesla Model 3. Plus he got a Texas state rebate also
which I don't know was how much.

Lynn
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:05:01 UTC
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On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 12:10:34 AM UTC-4, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas
station, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be
seeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes
for 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles
takes a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car
will that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile
range cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three
Corollas for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile
battery cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger
battery (yet).
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my
house in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one
car charging there and recently saw five cars charging: three
model 3, one S, and one X.
Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets get
My Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range, and
cost $42k all in, $37k after subsidies. Look at the cost of
regular cars these days - a new, rock bottom Corolla is about
$20k+ all in, with no subsidies, with about 400 miles range.
Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge
(SOC) than the Corolla owner does about gas. But there are
compensating issues.
1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. The
latter is a far nicer car, with performance, safety, handling,
and amenities which blow the Corolla out of the water. An
equivalent ICE car would be a similar price to an M3.
2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corolla
is about $36. The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Wh
per mile, so about 100 KWh for 400 miles. The commercial
chargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and my home electricity
about 9 cents. 400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and $25.
At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actually
free to use, as businesses use them to draw in customers. I'm
sure that even Terry's apartment complex, that the landlord
makes some profit from chargers won't bother residents who now
have a cheaper source of energy.
3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts. My
next scheduled maintenance is in 3 years, to check the battery
coolant. I do have to replace wipers, wiper fluid, and tires,
but that's about it.
4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up. Gas
stations are dedicated facilities - you can't do anything else
while fueling, and just want it over as fast as possible.
Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can exist
anywhere there's a parking spot and an electrical supply. They
are usually unstaffed (though monitored over the net).
Crucially, you don't have to stay with the car. This means that
you can do other stuff while charging. L2 chargers (the most
common) take several hours to charge from zero to full, but if
its on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at a
destination, you may not be there long enough to get a full
charge, but you can get a substantial boost.
For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mall
parking lot on my way home. Typically, juicing up takes 20-30
minutes after a day's driving. However, there's a Market Basket
100 yards away, so I usually walk over and do any needed
shopping for the day while the car charges.
Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had
free L2 chargers, and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the
second day, but I was in the show, not at the car. I spent
about 60 seconds plugging in.
The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions, make electric
cars viable for people without dedicated off street parking.
They add 75 miles in 5 minutes (Terry lied in claiming 15), and
a full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.
At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only, and are
distributed to make long-distance travel easier. They were part
of the effort to make Teslas appear viable for long trips. To
expand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll have to see more
placed in cities, and expanded to other brands.
5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like
Buying a Model T in 1911. They're flying off the shelves, but
the infrastructure still needs development, and mass production
hasn't brought the price down. The Model T was $680 in 1911,
but only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordable
e-cars in the future.
pt
I forgot to mention that my cousin got the federal $7,500 tax
rebate when buying his Tesla Model 3. Plus he got a Texas state
rebate also which I don't know was how much.
Be nice of *everyone* got to suckle on the public's teat, wouldn't
it?

If the taxpayers have to subsidize the technology, that *proves*
it's not ready for prime time yet.

And those taxpayer subsidies will be going away, and sooner rather
than later.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:03:42 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas
station, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be
seeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes
for 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles
takes a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car
will that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile
range cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three
Corollas for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile
battery cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger
battery (yet).
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my
house in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car
charging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model
3, one S, and one X.
Since Terry loves playing fast and loose with numbers, lets get
My Model 3 has a smaller battery - about 230 miles range,
So about half the range of my Toyota
and
cost $42k all in,
At over twice the price
$37k after subsidies.
Paid for by taxpayers.
Look at the cost of
regular cars these days - a new, rock bottom Corolla is about
$20k+ all in, with no subsidies, with about 400 miles range.
Yep.
Yes, I have to spend more time worrying about State of Charge
(SOC) than the Corolla owner does about gas.
For values of "worrying about" that add up to "usable as a second
vehicle, but in no way capable of replacing my primary vehicle."
But there are
compensating issues.
Like having other people pay for part of your expensive toy?
1. A Corolla is not at all in the same class as an M3. The
latter is a far nicer car, with performance, safety, handling,
and amenities which blow the Corolla out of the water. An
equivalent ICE car would be a similar price to an M3.
None of which matters all that much to the average commuter, since
the electric car simply can't replace their primary car.
2. I pay a lot less per mile. 400 miles of gas for the Corolla
is about $36.
A bit more, here.
The M3, if driven aggressively, uses about 250 Wh
per mile, so about 100 KWh for 400 miles. The commercial
chargers run about 25 cents per KWh, and my home electricity
about 9 cents.
I don't have the numbers in front of me right now, but I pay a
*lot* more for electricity. Last time I did the math, at 40 mpg
(which is what I get on the highway), an electric car would cost
*more* per mile for the energy.

And $20,000 will buy me about 5,000 gallons of gas, with which I
can drive 200,000 miles. And my Toyota will, if I take care of it,
last 200,000 miles without anything too major happening. How often
do Teslas have to replace their batters, and at what cost?

(And keep in mind, southern California as a *lot* of cars, and will
thus be disproprotionately affected by all this.)
400 miles of juice costs me between $9 and $25.
At the moment, a *lot* of 'destination chargers' are actually
free to use, as businesses use them to draw in customers.
Yeah, you love to have other people pay for your stuff, don't you?
I'm
sure that even Terry's apartment complex, that the landlord
makes some profit from chargers won't bother residents who now
have a cheaper source of energy.
A) It's *not* cheaper, and B) we've covered the seven figure price
tag for installing 200 of them, so no, the residents won't be happy
about the doubling of their rent.
3. Maintenance is lower. No oil, far fewer moving parts.
Until the batteries are worn out. Or catch on fire, which they seem
to have a disturbing habit of doing.
My next
scheduled maintenance is in 3 years, to check the battery
coolant. I do have to replace wipers, wiper fluid, and tires,
but that's about it.
4. Charging is a different experience than gassing up.
Yeah. For starters, it takes a *lot* longer.
Gas
stations are dedicated facilities - you can't do anything else
while fueling, and just want it over as fast as possible.
The reason you don't feel the same about charging is that you
*can't*.
Chargepoints are not dedicated facilities. They can exist
anywhere there's a parking spot and an electrical supply.
And a willingness to subsidize your driving.
They
are usually unstaffed (though monitored over the net).
Crucially, you don't have to stay with the car. This means that
you can do other stuff while charging.
Which is good since it takes so long. That's not a feature, son.
L2 chargers (the most
common) take several hours to charge from zero to full, but if
its on your driveway you just do it overnight. If its at a
destination, you may not be there long enough to get a full
charge, but you can get a substantial boost.
Which you desperately *need*.

By comparison, I can hope in my car, drive to Las Vega _and back_
without stopping for gas, with nary a thought about getting stuck
on the road.
For example, if I choose to Supercharge, there's one in a mall
parking lot on my way home.
Versus several dozen gas stations.
Typically, juicing up takes 20-30
minutes after a day's driving. However, there's a Market Basket
100 yards away, so I usually walk over and do any needed
shopping for the day while the car charges.
Which, again, is good since it takes longer.
Last week I spent a couple days at a AWS trade show. It had free L2 chargers,
Was willing to subsidize your driving.
and I juiced up at them. Took 5 hours on the second
day, but I was in the show, not at the car. I spent about 60
seconds plugging in.
And they paid for it. Do you really believe they'll continue to pay
for it when _all_ cars are electric? Especially after paying to
install all the chargers, and the rather massive power grid needed
to run them. The subsidies only happen when they're a novelty.
The Superchargers, especially the V3 versions,
Which apparently only work on the S models, at least so far, at
full capacity.
make electric
cars viable for people without dedicated off street parking.
No, they do not. Especially since people without dedicated off
street parking aren't going to be buy a $70k car in the first
place.
They add 75 miles in 5 minutes (Terry lied in claiming 15),
Wasn't my number, actually, retard.
and
a full charge in about 1/4 of an hour.
I don't believe the marketing hype. What's the power circuit
running it? How many megawatts?

A gallon of gasoline has the equivalent of 33.70 kwh. I can drive
400 miles on about 10 gallons of gasoline. That's 337 kwh. To
deliver than in 15 minutes requires one hell of a charger.

I don't believe teh marking hype.
At the moment, Tesla Superchargers are Tesla-only,
And very likely to remain so for as long as Elon Musk has anything
to say about it.
and are
distributed to make long-distance travel easier.
How many are in rural Nebraska?
They were part
of the effort to make Teslas appear viable for long trips.
As opposed to making them *be* viable for long trips.
To
expand e-cars into built-up areas, we'll have to see more placed
in cities, and expanded to other brands.
A *lot* more, plus power grid upgrades to handle the load.
5. These are very early days. Buying an e-car now is like Buying
a Model T in 1911.
Except Model Ts in 1911 a) weren't among the more expensive cars
around, in fact, they were among the cheapest, and B) weren't
heavily taxpayer subsidized, and C) didn't have others willing to
subsidize the gasolien costs to drive them.

So no, it's really not like that at all.
They're flying off the shelves,
Relatively speaking, given the inability to Tesla to ramp up
production very fast. That says more about their marketing hype
than it does about the viability of the vehicles as a replacement
for the family car.
but the
infrastructure still needs development,
A lot of development, some of which is being ignored.
and mass production
hasn't brought the price down.
And won't until it's actually mass production. Which won't happen
until they actually can replace the family car.
The Model T was $680 in 1911, but
only $260 by 1925. I'm sure there will be more affordable e-cars
in the future.
No doubt. But they won't be completely replacaing gasoline cars any
time soon.

There is a place for electric cars. That place is not in every
garage (or apartment complex carport, or street parkign spot).
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 19:35:04 UTC
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At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas
station, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be
seeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes
for 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes
a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will
that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range
cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas
for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery
cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery
(yet).
That's 3 1/2 times what my Toyota cost. And I can drive 400+ miles
on a 3 minute fill up.
Post by Lynn McGuire
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house
in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car
charging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model
3, one S, and one X.
I can certainly see why people would plug their electric car in
every possible chance they can get, but I doubt the Ruby's would
last long if they could only handle 12 customers at a time.

(And none of that addresses the fact that "75 miles in 15 minutes -
so long as it's the *right* 75 miles)" is in no way comprable to a
normal gasoline powered car.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Scott Lurndal
2019-07-11 19:46:28 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas
station, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be
seeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes
for 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes
a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will
that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range
cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas
for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery
cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery
(yet).
That's 3 1/2 times what my Toyota cost. And I can drive 400+ miles
on a 3 minute fill up.
Why do you think that anyone is contesting that statement? Of course,
the vast majority of people, even in LA, seldom drive more than 100
miles a day, and often far less. It's perfectly feasible for people
with electric vehicles to rent a petroleum-based vehicle for the long trips like driving
between SF and LA if they don't want to fly and rent locally and use
the electric vehicle for normal daily trips.

Their daily savings in fuel costs using an electric vehicle would likely be
more than enough to cover a rental for a two-week vacation.

For the rest, well, one can still buy a gas guzzler if one wishes to;
meanwhile those folks with electric vehicles aren't contributing to
the now increasing smog in the LA basin (which peaked around 1989
and deacreased for two decades before starting to bump back up due
to the increasing population of the LA area).
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house
in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car
charging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model
3, one S, and one X.
I can certainly see why people would plug their electric car in
every possible chance they can get, but I doubt the Ruby's would
last long if they could only handle 12 customers at a time.
(And none of that addresses the fact that "75 miles in 15 minutes -
so long as it's the *right* 75 miles)" is in no way comprable to a
normal gasoline powered car.)
It's still enough for a large fraction of drivers, who drive fewer
than 75 miles in a day.
Peter Trei
2019-07-11 20:02:40 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
At 15 minutes, it is still longer than a stop at a gas
station, but not *that* much longer. I don't think you'll be
seeing them in homes anytime soon; they run at 250 kW.
15 minutes for 75 miles ia a *lot* longer than three minutes
for 400. And that's the first 75 miles. The last 75 miles takes
a lot longer. How long for a *full* charge? And how car will
that take you? How much does a Tesla with a 370 mile range
cost? Last I heard on prices, I could buy two or three Corollas
for the price of one Tesla with that kind of range.
My cousins Model 3 with the dual motors and the 310 mile battery
cost $69K. I don't think that you can get a bigger battery
(yet).
That's 3 1/2 times what my Toyota cost. And I can drive 400+ miles
on a 3 minute fill up.
Post by Lynn McGuire
There is a 12 port supercharger about 3 miles away from my house
in Rudy's BBQ parking lot. I always see at least one car
charging there and recently saw five cars charging: three model
3, one S, and one X.
I can certainly see why people would plug their electric car in
every possible chance they can get, but I doubt the Ruby's would
last long if they could only handle 12 customers at a time.
(And none of that addresses the fact that "75 miles in 15 minutes -
so long as it's the *right* 75 miles)" is in no way comprable to a
normal gasoline powered car.)
Mine cost $37k. That's less than twice the price of a new Corolla, and in
terms of performance and amenities its a far better car.

Fueling time, and range on a tank, aren't the only criteria on which to judge
a car.

I like to say that buying a Tesla Model 3 now is a bit like buying a Ford
Model T in 1910. You don't have to be rich, but you can't be poor. It's
fairly basic compared to most of the cars/ecars available at that time.
It performs its basic function very well, but isn't perfect, and is a bit
idiosyncratic, like its maker. The infrastructure for supporting general
use still needs expansion.

There are improvements; while the model T came only in black, the M3 comes in
five (5!) colors :-).

Over the next 15 years, the Model T dropped substantially in price,
and became a commonplace. I expect the same will happen to e-cars,

With a home charger, I probably spend less time fueling up my vehicle than
Terry does - if I'm low, I plug in when I get home, unplug in the morning.
The biggest time sink is coiling the cable neatly. No navigating to a gas
station, waiting for a stall, fumbling with the credit card reader, and I
spend a fraction what he does for fuel.

The fueling time and range are definitely issues which could be improved.
There's no reason to think they won't be.

pt
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 19:11:44 UTC
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On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:51:57 AM UTC-4, Scott Lurndal
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per
person is more than 1.
I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around
15 minutes, that there would be much competition for 100
chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour
period.
There isn't.
It's still *my* parking space, part of my lease. Park in it, and
you'll be paying the tow company to get your car back.
Terry's trying desperately to blow smoke over his error over 1
vs 2 stall chargers, which blows his '7 figure' claim out of the
water. Those are L2 chargers, which take several hours to charge
up a car, and thus are suitable for overnight use. I've bought a
$500 consumer grade one myself.
You're conflating home chargers (which would also require new
electrical circuits be installed - and connected to each unit's
electric meter ir the installation of a second meter, not a cheap
prospect either way) with commercial charging stations.
You're also pretending that 200 superchargers, at, best I can tell,
150 kw each, is about 3 megawatts. That is, I suspect, more than
the entier complex is wired for now.
This is another strawman. The proposed chargers for a condo/apartment
complex are NOT superchargers.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
That, alone, could easily cost seven figures by the time you add in
the costs of permits, engineering fees, environmental impact
statements (yes, there would have to be one, welcome to California)
and upgrades to the infrastructure needed to supply similar
circuits to the dozen or more (mostly larger) complexes in the
neighborhood.
Except the appropriate chargers for a complex such as yours are $1,500 a
charging port:

<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-cpf25/>

Oops.

And the electric utilities offer significant rebates to complexes that
install such chargers:

<https://www.chargepoint.com/incentives/commercial/?type=13&state=19>

Double oops!

:-)
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
And that's still not taking into account that the average number of
cars per apartment is more than one.
So? There cannot be a need for any more charging ports than there are
parking spaces.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 16:45:49 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per person
is more than 1.
I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around
15 minutes,
If you believe that, there's no point in reading the rest.

Enjoy the taste of Elon Musk's dick.
Post by Scott Lurndal
that there would be much competition for 100
chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour
period.
Park in my parking space, and my lease - and yours - says I can have
your car towed. There's far more to it than charge times.

Or would you suggest they buy the complex next door, and knock it
down to make room for a charging lot? How much do you think my rent
would go up to pay for that?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 17:57:40 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per person
is more than 1.
I wouldn't expect that, given modern recharge times of around
15 minutes,
If you believe that, there's no point in reading the rest.
Enjoy the taste of Elon Musk's dick.
Post by Scott Lurndal
that there would be much competition for 100
chargers in a 200 unit complex over the course of a 24-hour
period.
Park in my parking space, and my lease - and yours - says I can have
your car towed. There's far more to it than charge times.
Or would you suggest they buy the complex next door, and knock it
down to make room for a charging lot? How much do you think my rent
would go up to pay for that?
Why would any of that be necessary, Terry?

Each $6705 unit can serve two parking spaces...

...wait, Peter and I both missed something:

<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-cpf25/>

$1,500 * 200 = $300,000.

Is installation going to be $700,000, Terry?

What about after rebate programs?

<https://www.chargepoint.com/incentives/commercial/?type=13&state=19>
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 16:48:54 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard
one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly
isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway. Put those out on the street and the average
number of charges per station before they're vandalized
would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writt
en '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post
is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Your quoted statement is lies?
Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. The
deliberate change of context is a lie, too.
Show this supposed change...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
You know that. That's why you do it. You _must_ lie. You can't
stop yourself.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Nope.
Failed 3rd grade math, eh?
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per person
is more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really* stupid lie.
You have a reputation to maintain.
So YOU then failed 3rd grade math...

...because you couldn't divide by two.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 17:07:45 UTC
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On 2019-07-08 8:39 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in
that it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is
not in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.
And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.wri
tt en '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We
can tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you
post is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Your quoted statement is lies?
Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. The
deliberate change of context is a lie, too.
Show this supposed change...
Why? You would lie about it. You literally *always* do. We've
covered this before, liar-boy.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
You know that. That's why you do it. You _must_ lie. You can't
stop yourself.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Nope.
Failed 3rd grade math, eh?
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per
person is more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really*
stupid lie. You have a reputation to maintain.
So YOU then failed 3rd grade math...
...because you couldn't divide by two.
Already covered, liar-boy. You will _never_ respspond. Ever.
Because you *know* I'm right, but you're too mentally ill to admit
it.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 19:13:37 UTC
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On 2019-07-08 8:39 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in
that it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is
not in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.
And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.wri
tt en '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We
can tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you
post is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Your quoted statement is lies?
Your claim that it says something it doesn't say it a lie. The
deliberate change of context is a lie, too.
Show this supposed change...
Why? You would lie about it. You literally *always* do. We've
covered this before, liar-boy.
You have literally NEVER EVER shown anything you've claimed to me.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
You know that. That's why you do it. You _must_ lie. You can't
stop yourself.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Nope.
Failed 3rd grade math, eh?
Post by Alan Baker
You failed in your basic checking.
The unit he showed is for two cars.
And? How many people do you believe live in 200 apartment, in
southern California, where the average number of cars per
person is more than 1. Take your time. Think up a *really*
stupid lie. You have a reputation to maintain.
So YOU then failed 3rd grade math...
...because you couldn't divide by two.
Already covered, liar-boy. You will _never_ respspond. Ever.
Because you *know* I'm right, but you're too mentally ill to admit
it.
Nope.

You were talking about a 200 spot parking garage. That was your hill.

Now, you don't get to blubber about additional cars...

...that cannot be parked in the same parking space simultaneously.
Peter Trei
2019-07-08 01:47:41 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
'/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are "lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post is
lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit apartment with
individual commercial chargers, at the individual price, with no discount
for bulk, would cost $721,000, not "seven figures"?

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 15:40:08 UTC
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 7:05:33 PM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ
ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post
is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit
apartment with individual commercial chargers, at the individual
price, with no discount for bulk, would cost $721,000, not
"seven figures"?
And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted right up
above. You are, in fact, off by more orders of magnitude more than
me _even by your own claims_.

Dumbass.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Peter Trei
2019-07-08 15:53:31 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
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Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ
ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post
is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit
apartment with individual commercial chargers, at the individual
price, with no discount for bulk, would cost $721,000, not
"seven figures"?
And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted right up
above. You are, in fact, off by more orders of magnitude more than
me _even by your own claims_.
You say I have an error?

As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quoted was for
one two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5 figures.

Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We're waiting.

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 17:05:27 UTC
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On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWO
g>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play
hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen
charger with a cable that was stolen, even at
Superchargers standing the open air of a mall
parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of it
happening, but it certainly isn't a significant
issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological,
isn't it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in
that it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if
a location has a charger, it's proof that that place
is not in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.
And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical.
He literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even
if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers
(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures for
the modest size of the complex), somebody would steal
the copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the
street and the average number of charges per station
before they're vandalized would probably be less than
one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.w
rit ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We
can tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you
post is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit
apartment with individual commercial chargers, at the
individual price, with no discount for bulk, would cost
$721,000, not "seven figures"?
And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted
right up above. You are, in fact, off by more orders of
magnitude more than me _even by your own claims_.
You say I have an error?
It's still quoted up above, dumbass. If you're going to lie about
what you said, at least be smart enough to snip out what you said.
As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quoted
was for one two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5
figures.
Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We're
waiting.
Are you claiming that is the sole cost in installing a charger?
(Remember, you acknowledged that there would be installation costs
on top of that.) Are you claiming that there would be no needed
electrical circuit to power a 150kw charger? Does the power come
out of your ass for it? 200 150kw chargers is 3 megawatts. How much
do you think it would cost to install a 3 mw circuit (keeping in
mind to include the second meter for each unit)? How many 3 mw
circuits can be installed in the same neighborhood, where there at
at least half complexes, most of which are larger? Who pays for the
infrastructure upgrades to handle dozne of megawatts of additional
load?

How much do you expect my rent to go up to pay for all this?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 19:05:13 UTC
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On Monday, July 8, 2019 at 11:40:12 AM UTC-4, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWO
g>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play
hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen
charger with a cable that was stolen, even at
Superchargers standing the open air of a mall
parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of it
happening, but it certainly isn't a significant
issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological,
isn't it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in
that it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if
a location has a charger, it's proof that that place
is not in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said.
And he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical.
He literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even
if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers
(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures for
the modest size of the complex), somebody would steal
the copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the
street and the average number of charges per station
before they're vandalized would probably be less than
one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.w
rit ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We
can tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you
post is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit
apartment with individual commercial chargers, at the
individual price, with no discount for bulk, would cost
$721,000, not "seven figures"?
And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted
right up above. You are, in fact, off by more orders of
magnitude more than me _even by your own claims_.
You say I have an error?
It's still quoted up above, dumbass. If you're going to lie about
what you said, at least be smart enough to snip out what you said.
As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quoted
was for one two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5
figures.
Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We're
waiting.
Are you claiming that is the sole cost in installing a charger?
(Remember, you acknowledged that there would be installation costs
on top of that.) Are you claiming that there would be no needed
electrical circuit to power a 150kw charger? Does the power come
out of your ass for it? 200 150kw chargers is 3 megawatts. How much
do you think it would cost to install a 3 mw circuit (keeping in
mind to include the second meter for each unit)? How many 3 mw
circuits can be installed in the same neighborhood, where there at
at least half complexes, most of which are larger? Who pays for the
infrastructure upgrades to handle dozne of megawatts of additional
load?
How much do you expect my rent to go up to pay for all this?
You're math is TERRIBLE.

The correct charger for an apartment or condo complex from ChargePoint
(and we haven't even begun to investigate any other suppliers) is the
CPF25 which costs $1,500; bring the cost for 200 of them (they are
single charge port units) to $300,000.

Their maximum output is 32A @ 240V. That is 7,680 Watts, Terry, not
150,000 Watts. Talk about orders of magnitude wrong, and you got the
arithmetic for 200 150KW chargers wrong, too.

200 * 150000 is 30 million, not 3 million.

But these chargers provide 7,680 Watts, Terry. So 200 would draw a
little more than 1.5MW. Except, these chargers are smart enough to
distribute the available electricity, so don't actually require a 1.5MW
service to be useful.
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 18:53:31 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ
ten '/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
Yeah... ...now he'll come back and claim you and I are
"lying".
Not at all. Peter is stupid. *You*, however, are lying. We can
tell, because you posted, and literally *everything* you post
is lies. It's because you can't stop yourself.
Plus, his numbers and your quote prove me right.
Which numbers? The ones that show that supplying a 200 unit
apartment with individual commercial chargers, at the individual
price, with no discount for bulk, would cost $721,000, not
"seven figures"?
And not "under 5", which is what you claimed, still quoted right up
above. You are, in fact, off by more orders of magnitude more than
me _even by your own claims_.
You say I have an error?
As anyone who's followed this thread knows, the price I quoted was for
one two-stall charger, well under 10,000, so under 5 figures.
Now, explain how you got '7 figures' for 100 $7k items. We're waiting.
pt
It turns out that the correct model for equipping a parking garage costs
$1500 a space:

'The ChargePoint CPF25 commercial electric vehicle (EV) charging station
is a smart solution for any assigned, shared or fleet parking situation,
which aligns with most apartments, condominiums and workplaces
respectfully. Drivers pay a low monthly service fee plus the cost of
electricity. ChargePoint handles billing and remits 100% of the
electricity fees back to the property or HOA.'

<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-cpf25/>

So now we're down to $300,000 plus installation. It's really hard to see
it costing $3,500 per parking space for that.

:-)
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 23:03:56 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'
/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit
too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex I'm
living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5 million,
which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as you note,
installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost to prove me
right. (And prices have come down since I posted what Alan is lying
about.)
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/c
hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are known
as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't have
very high crime rates (and electric cars are more expensive than IC
cars, especially since most people can't afford to have *only* an
electric car, so putting in charging stations for customers self-
selects for shopping districts that attract upper middle class and
above custommers - these are not people prone to shopping in high
crime areas), and a lot of them have 24 hour security.

The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only* electric
cars being available to everyone, including people living in
apartments, especially those with no off-street parking.

Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest than
Alan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 01:27:48 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'
/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex I'm
living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5 million,
which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as you note,
installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost to prove me
right. (And prices have come down since I posted what Alan is lying
about.)
Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...

So it's only 100 units.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/c
hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are known
as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't have
very high crime rates (and electric cars are more expensive than IC
cars, especially since most people can't afford to have *only* an
electric car, so putting in charging stations for customers self-
selects for shopping districts that attract upper middle class and
above custommers - these are not people prone to shopping in high
crime areas), and a lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only* electric
cars being available to everyone, including people living in
apartments, especially those with no off-street parking.
Nope. That was never a point of contention in the previous discussion.

But feel free to produce a quote to prove your claim...

:-)
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest than
Alan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 15:42:19 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard
one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly
isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost
that would likely run into seven figures for the modest size
of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them
anyway. Put those out on the street and the average number of
charges per station before they're vandalized would probably
be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writte
n' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex
I'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5
million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as
you note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost
to prove me right. (And prices have come down since I posted
what Alan is lying about.)
Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...
So it's only 100 units.
Unless, of course, each apartment has more than one car. In
southern California, where people will become homeless and live in
their car rather than give up their car, because it's more
practical. How many people do you expect live in 200 apartments?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial
/c hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are
known as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't
have very high crime rates (and electric cars are more
expensive than IC cars, especially since most people can't
afford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in charging
stations for customers self- selects for shopping districts
that attract upper middle class and above custommers - these
are not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and a
lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*
electric cars being available to everyone, including people
living in apartments, especially those with no off-street
parking.
Nope.
Yes. Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
That was never a point of contention in the previous
discussion.
Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
But feel free to produce a quote to prove your claim...
You already have, liar.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 16:49:53 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard
one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly
isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost
that would likely run into seven figures for the modest size
of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them
anyway. Put those out on the street and the average number of
charges per station before they're vandalized would probably
be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writte
n' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex
I'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5
million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as
you note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost
to prove me right. (And prices have come down since I posted
what Alan is lying about.)
Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...
So it's only 100 units.
Unless, of course, each apartment has more than one car. In
southern California, where people will become homeless and live in
their car rather than give up their car, because it's more
practical. How many people do you expect live in 200 apartments?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial
/c hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are
known as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't
have very high crime rates (and electric cars are more
expensive than IC cars, especially since most people can't
afford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in charging
stations for customers self- selects for shopping districts
that attract upper middle class and above custommers - these
are not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and a
lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*
electric cars being available to everyone, including people
living in apartments, especially those with no off-street
parking.
Nope.
Yes. Liar.
Then lets see a quote.

I provided one, now you do the same.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
That was never a point of contention in the previous
discussion.
Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
But feel free to produce a quote to prove your claim...
You already have, liar.
Nope.

:-)
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 17:08:49 UTC
Reply
Permalink
On 2019-07-08 8:42 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ
te n' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the
complex I'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is
nearly $1.5 million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I
said. Plus, as you note, installation. Good of you to provide
a specific cost to prove me right. (And prices have come down
since I posted what Alan is lying about.)
Except each unit has two charging ports with 18' cables...
So it's only 100 units.
Unless, of course, each apartment has more than one car. In
southern California, where people will become homeless and live
in their car rather than give up their car, because it's more
practical. How many people do you expect live in 200
apartments?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commerci
al /c hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable
private parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up
at home overnight (which may require a dedicated
circuit), an electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to
attract customers, who shop while their vehicle charges.
These are known as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that
don't have very high crime rates (and electric cars are more
expensive than IC cars, especially since most people can't
afford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in charging
stations for customers self- selects for shopping districts
that attract upper middle class and above custommers - these
are not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and a
lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*
electric cars being available to everyone, including people
living in apartments, especially those with no off-street
parking.
Nope.
Yes. Liar.
Then lets see a quote.
Literally every single time I have even done so, you have *lied*
about it.

Every. Single. Time.
I provided one,
Whic proves you a liar.
now you do the same.
Take your meds.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
That was never a point of contention in the previous
discussion.
Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
But feel free to produce a quote to prove your claim...
You already have, liar.
Nope.
Liar.
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 19:16:32 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was*only*
electric cars being available to everyone, including people
living in apartments, especially those with no off-street
parking.
Nope.
Yes. Liar.
Then lets see a quote.
Literally every single time I have even done so, you have*lied*
about it.
You have never even once ever posted a quote of mine or anyone else's to
back up any claim you've made to me.

Not once.
Every. Single. Time.
Post by Alan Baker
I provided one,
Whic proves you a liar.
Nope. It proves you claimed that public charging stations could not
possibly worked because they'd all be immediately vandalized.
Peter Trei
2019-07-08 01:44:20 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'
/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even
adding in cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and
it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex I'm
living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5 million,
which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as you note,
installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost to prove me
right. (And prices have come down since I posted what Alan is lying
about.)
No, Terry: Read for comprehension, then do the math. The $7210 charger I
linked (its just below) handles two cars simultaneously. Cut your total
in half, please. Its not seven figures.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/c
hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are known
as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't have
very high crime rates (and electric cars are more expensive than IC
cars, especially since most people can't afford to have *only* an
electric car, so putting in charging stations for customers self-
selects for shopping districts that attract upper middle class and
above custommers - these are not people prone to shopping in high
crime areas), and a lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only* electric
cars being available to everyone, including people living in
apartments, especially those with no off-street parking.
Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest than
Alan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.
I realize that doing research before posting is not your thing, so I
can't really blame you for your ignorance, but check this:

https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging

Things advance over time. The newest superchargers cut charging time down to
about 15 minutes, making it a gas-station like experience.

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 15:47:51 UTC
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 7:03:59 PM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway. Put those out on the street and the average
number of charges per station before they're vandalized
would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writt
en' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex
I'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5
million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as
you note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost
to prove me right. (And prices have come down since I posted
what Alan is lying about.)
No, Terry: Read for comprehension, then do the math. The $7210
charger I linked (its just below) handles two cars
simultaneously. Cut your total in half, please. Its not seven
figures.
It's not "under 5," either, dumbass. It would also be impractical
to only have one station per apartment around here.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercia
l/c hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable
private parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up
at home overnight (which may require a dedicated
circuit), an electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are
known as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't
have very high crime rates (and electric cars are more
expensive than IC cars, especially since most people can't
afford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in charging
stations for customers self- selects for shopping districts
that attract upper middle class and above custommers - these
are not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and a
lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*
electric cars being available to everyone, including people
living in apartments, especially those with no off-street
parking.
Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest than
Alan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.
I realize that doing research before posting is not your thing,
https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging
Things advance over time. The newest superchargers cut charging
time down to about 15 minutes, making it a gas-station like
experience.
75 miles in five minutes is not gas-station like, and the charge
times to various levels of charge are not linear. The first 75
miles takes less time than the last 75 miles.

I'm also having a hard time taking any press release talking about
"1000 miles in an hour" referring to cars that don't *have* a
thousand mile range all that seriously.

"V3 Supercharging will ultimately cut the amount of time customers
spend charging by an average of 50%" is not gas-statition like
either.

Quoting a web page that actually supports me, and not you, suggests
that Alan's dishonest stupidity is contagious. You should see a
doctor or something.

All that aside from the infrastructure upgrades that would be
needed to simply deliver a terrawatt+ of electrcity to 150 million
cars, of ocurse, as discussed in the past.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 19:06:56 UTC
Reply
Permalink
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 7:03:59 PM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway. Put those out on the street and the average
number of charges per station before they're vandalized
would probably be less than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writt
en' /eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
Most definitely. One of the big commercial networks is
Chargepoint, and a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210.
Even adding in cost of installation, its still under 5
figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
The specific context was installking 200 of them in the complex
I'm living in. Do the arithmatic. 7210 x 200 is nearly $1.5
million, which is, indeed, seven figures, as I said. Plus, as
you note, installation. Good of you to provide a specific cost
to prove me right. (And prices have come down since I posted
what Alan is lying about.)
No, Terry: Read for comprehension, then do the math. The $7210
charger I linked (its just below) handles two cars
simultaneously. Cut your total in half, please. Its not seven
figures.
It's not "under 5," either, dumbass. It would also be impractical
to only have one station per apartment around here.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercia
l/c hargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable
private parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up
at home overnight (which may require a dedicated
circuit), an electric car is much less practical.
A lot of commercial establishments put in chargers to attract
customers, who shop while their vehicle charges. These are
known as 'destination chargers'.
And a lot of commercial establishments are in areas that don't
have very high crime rates (and electric cars are more
expensive than IC cars, especially since most people can't
afford to have *only* an electric car, so putting in charging
stations for customers self- selects for shopping districts
that attract upper middle class and above custommers - these
are not people prone to shopping in high crime areas), and a
lot of them have 24 hour security.
The specific converstaion Alan is lying about was *only*
electric cars being available to everyone, including people
living in apartments, especially those with no off-street
parking.
Try, and try *hard* to not look stupid and more dishonest than
Alan. Or not. Maybe you're jealous of him being my bitch again.
I realize that doing research before posting is not your thing,
https://www.tesla.com/blog/introducing-v3-supercharging
Things advance over time. The newest superchargers cut charging
time down to about 15 minutes, making it a gas-station like
experience.
75 miles in five minutes is not gas-station like, and the charge
times to various levels of charge are not linear. The first 75
miles takes less time than the last 75 miles.
I'm also having a hard time taking any press release talking about
"1000 miles in an hour" referring to cars that don't *have* a
thousand mile range all that seriously.
So you just don't understand the concept of a rate of change...

The Bugatti Veyron is capable of driving at 240mph (IIRC), but it will
actually run out of fuel before it goes 240 miles.
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 22:59:03 UTC
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On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an especially
bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station that isn't
inside a building is in a shopping mall several miles away - with
24 hour security.

You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context, even
though you quoted the actual statement (kind of stalker-ish that
you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say what you hallucinate
it says), which provides context. You will lie because you are
incapable of not doing so. And because, as always, you're my bitch
and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/
eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit
too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200
apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, seven
figures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basic
arithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your dimension?
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an electric
car is much less practical.
And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's
utterly impossible.
None of which show charging stations for every parking space on the
street in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.

Now you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit you don't
understand that actually proves you full of shit.

Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're my bitch,
and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
49.2737642,-123.1538488,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x548672355ad38a63:0x
f5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>
1h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8
i8192>
Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minutes
walk from where I'm sitting.
There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in right now,
and apartment complexes on either side with more, and probably over
a thousand apartments beyond that. The nearest charging station is
at least three or four miles away. They have two stations, with,
IIRC, two cables each. And it would take an hour to walk each way
back and forth.

Note that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*
popular - among people who have garages they're allowed to install
dedicated electric circuits into. (Because, by definition, in
California, if you own your house, you're pretty damned well off.)
Post by Alan Baker
No "concrete bunker" (yes, you really said that) required.
Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.
Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Or
because you have never had a job that pays more than minimum wage,
and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth, dumbass.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 01:26:18 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an especially
bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station that isn't
inside a building is in a shopping mall several miles away - with
24 hour security.
You said quite specifically that it wouldn't work even where you live:

'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost
that would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.'

You do admit you said that?
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context, even
though you quoted the actual statement (kind of stalker-ish that
you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say what you hallucinate
it says), which provides context. You will lie because you are
incapable of not doing so. And because, as always, you're my bitch
and I told you to.
I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely what you said
and then use Google to look it up.


What context would you like to point to that changes the meaning of the
statement?

:-)
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/
eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit
too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200
Wrong again... ...at least about the probably tens of thousands.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, seven
figures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basic
arithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your dimension?
100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.

<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>

Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run and additional
$329,500

And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an electric
car is much less practical.
And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's
utterly impossible.
None of which show charging stations for every parking space on the
street in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.
Goalpost shift!

You said it was impossible to even put them on the street because they'd
be rendered useless in less than a day.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Now you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit you don't
understand that actually proves you full of shit.
Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're my bitch,
and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
49.2737642,-123.1538488,18z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x548672355ad38a63:0x
f5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>
1h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384!8
i8192>
Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minutes
walk from where I'm sitting.
There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in right now,
and apartment complexes on either side with more, and probably over
a thousand apartments beyond that. The nearest charging station is
at least three or four miles away. They have two stations, with,
IIRC, two cables each. And it would take an hour to walk each way
back and forth.
Guess what: it's early days.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Note that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*
popular - among people who have garages they're allowed to install
dedicated electric circuits into. (Because, by definition, in
California, if you own your house, you're pretty damned well off.)
And "very popular" is what percentage?
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
No "concrete bunker" (yes, you really said that) required.
Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.
Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Or
because you have never had a job that pays more than minimum wage,
and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth, dumbass.
That you resort to insults when you're own bullshit is thrown back at you?

You're right, I think everyone here knows that.

:-)
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Fact: you claimed charging stations would have be behind locked gates
not to be vandalized (and you actually stated that your enclosed parking
garage would be vandalized anyway).

Fact: chargers are out there; in the open.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 15:55:54 UTC
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an
especially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station
that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall several
miles away - with 24 hour security.
'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at
a cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway.'
And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do you
have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?
Post by Alan Baker
You do admit you said that?
Do you admit Lynn was right about tens of thousands of illegal
immigrants per month in the US?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,
even though you quoted the actual statement (kind of
stalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say
what you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You will
lie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, as
always, you're my bitch and I told you to.
I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely what
you said and then use Google to look it up.
Sure you do.
Post by Alan Baker
What context would you like to point to that changes the meaning
of the statement?
Already mentioned. Now lie some more.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
'/ eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200
Wrong again... ...at least about the probably tens of thousands.
Now, perhaps, but they're still close to it. At the time, yeah,
they did.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, seven
figures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basic
arithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your
dimension?
100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.
Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.

I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there's
nothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.

You love the attention, don't you?
Post by Alan Baker
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run and
additional $329,500
And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.
By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poor
people and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's
utterly impossible.
None of which show charging stations for every parking space on
the street in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.
Goalpost shift!
You do that a lot, yes. Then lie about it.
Post by Alan Baker
You said it was impossible to even put them on the street
because they'd be rendered useless in less than a day.
No, liar, I didn't. As you have quoted, then lied about, even out
of context.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Now you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit you
don't understand that actually proves you full of shit.
Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're my
bitch, and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.google.com/maps/place/ChargePoint+Charging+Station
0x f5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>
.4
1h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384
!8 i8192>
Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minutes
walk from where I'm sitting.
There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in right
now, and apartment complexes on either side with more, and
probably over a thousand apartments beyond that. The nearest
charging station is at least three or four miles away. They
have two stations, with, IIRC, two cables each. And it would
take an hour to walk each way back and forth.
Guess what: it's early days.
Guess what: There aren't charging stations at every on-street
parking spot, and there never, ever will be.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Note that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*
popular - among people who have garages they're allowed to
install dedicated electric circuits into. (Because, by
definition, in California, if you own your house, you're pretty
damned well off.)
And "very popular" is what percentage?
Do you know a single person living on minimum wage who can afford
an electric vehicle in addition to their daily driver? No. You
don't. You certainly can't.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
No "concrete bunker" (yes, you really said that) required.
Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.
Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Or
because you have never had a job that pays more than minimum
wage, and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth,
dumbass.
That you resort to insults when you're own bullshit is thrown
back at you?
I know you are, but what am I?
Post by Alan Baker
You're right, I think everyone here knows that.
There is *no* *one* here who does not think - know - you're a
retarded, lying dumbass.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Fact: you claimed charging stations would have be behind locked
gates not to be vandalized (and you actually stated that your
enclosed parking garage would be vandalized anyway).
Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
Fact: chargers are out there; in the open.
In limited neighborhoods, with 24 hour guards around. Not at every
on-street parking spot in bad neighborhoods.

Why do you hate poor people so much? Is it self hatred?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Peter Trei
2019-07-09 13:53:39 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an
especially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station
that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall several
miles away - with 24 hour security.
'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at
a cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway.'
And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do you
have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?
Post by Alan Baker
You do admit you said that?
Do you admit Lynn was right about tens of thousands of illegal
immigrants per month in the US?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,
even though you quoted the actual statement (kind of
stalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say
what you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You will
lie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, as
always, you're my bitch and I told you to.
I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely what
you said and then use Google to look it up.
Sure you do.
Post by Alan Baker
What context would you like to point to that changes the meaning
of the statement?
Already mentioned. Now lie some more.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
'/ eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200
Wrong again... ...at least about the probably tens of thousands.
Now, perhaps, but they're still close to it. At the time, yeah,
they did.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, seven
figures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basic
arithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your
dimension?
100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.
Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.
I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there's
nothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.
You love the attention, don't you?
Post by Alan Baker
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run and
additional $329,500
And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.
By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poor
people and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.
So they now buy their mobility fuel from the landlord, at 1/3 to 1/2 off what it
cost at the gas station. That's 'hate'?

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:09:26 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've
heard one or two reports of it happening, but it
certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging
station in the open without armed guards would be
vandalized in less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the
copper out of them anyway. Put those out on the street and
the average number of charges per station before they're
vandalized would probably be less than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an
especially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging
station that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall
several miles away - with 24 hour security.
'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers
(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper
out of them anyway.'
And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do
you have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?
Post by Alan Baker
You do admit you said that?
Do you admit Lynn was right about tens of thousands of illegal
immigrants per month in the US?
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the
context, even though you quoted the actual statement (kind
of stalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't
even say what you hallucinate it says), which provides
context. You will lie because you are incapable of not doing
so. And because, as always, you're my bitch and I told you
to.
I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely what
you said and then use Google to look it up.
Sure you do.
Post by Alan Baker
What context would you like to point to that changes the
meaning of the statement?
Already mentioned. Now lie some more.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writ
ten '/ eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was
bullshit too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time
200
Wrong again... ...at least about the probably tens of
thousands.
Now, perhaps, but they're still close to it. At the time, yeah,
they did.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed,
seven figures. At least, in grown up land of people who
learned basic arithmatic in grade school. What's the number
in your dimension?
100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.
Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.
I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there's
nothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.
You love the attention, don't you?
Post by Alan Baker
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commerci
al/ chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run and
additional $329,500
And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.
By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poor
people and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.
So they now buy their mobility fuel from the landlord, at 1/3 to
1/2 off what it cost at the gas station. That's 'hate'?
They won't have a landlord when they can't afford the rent any
more. You can keep ignoring that as long as you want, but it's
still seven figures to install 200 chargers - by your own numbers,
once you include *all* the costs - in a single modest sized
apartment complex. Which is one of at least half a dozen in the
neighborhood. You really think the electic company is going to pay
for the infrastructure upgrades to handle that kind of additional
load? Without passing the costs on to the rate payers? Are you that
*stupid*?

And with the price of electricity out here (which *will* go up
substantially if all cars are electric), it's *not* cheaper. No, it
really isn't. (And let's not forget that one of the biggest
electric utilities in the country is now in bankruptcy because they
couldn't afford to do proper maintenance on their lines at current
rates, causing several very nasty fires.)
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 16:20:34 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location
has a charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an
especially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station
that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall several
miles away - with 24 hour security.
'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at
a cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway.'
And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do you
have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?
You stated that any chargers installed on the street would be
immediately vandalized, Terry.

Having no chargers in your particular neighbourhood yet doesn't support
that claim.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You do admit you said that?
Do you admit Lynn was right about tens of thousands of illegal
immigrants per month in the US?
Non-responsive.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,
even though you quoted the actual statement (kind of
stalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say
what you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You will
lie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, as
always, you're my bitch and I told you to.
I don't keep track of it, Terry. I just remember vaguely what
you said and then use Google to look it up.
Sure you do.
I have a good memory.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
What context would you like to point to that changes the meaning
of the statement?
Already mentioned. Now lie some more.
Nope. You haven't mentioned any actual context. Your only claim is that
the previous discussion was about completely replacing the IC car with
electrics.

It wasn't.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
'/ eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands. Time 200
Wrong again... ...at least about the probably tens of thousands.
Now, perhaps, but they're still close to it. At the time, yeah,
they did.
'At the time'?

Got any proof of that?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
apartments (it's not a very large ecmoplex) is, indeed, seven
figures. At least, in grown up land of people who learned basic
arithmatic in grade school. What's the number in your
dimension?
100 dual port units at $6,705 per is $670,500.
Now you're changing Pete's number - lowering it - another lie.
Nope. I'm pointing out that there is a less expensive charger that he
missed:

The link to the "CT4023-GW1" shows that.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
I think we're down to you being *so* bad at the lies, there's
nothing left but to point and laugh, as usual.
You love the attention, don't you?
Post by Alan Baker
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Gee: do you think that the installation is going to run and
additional $329,500
And don't forget: the landlord can charge for this service.
By literally doubling the rent, perhaps. You *really* hate poor
people and want them all to die, don't you? Sure you do.
So the only option is "literally doubling the rent", is it?

LOLOLOLLOLOLOL
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
As someone with actual experience with an electric car, I
think the bigger problem is the lack of predictable private
parking in built-up areas; if you can't charge up at home
overnight (which may require a dedicated circuit), an
electric car is much less practical.
And if you live in a place with no off-street parking, it's
utterly impossible.
None of which show charging stations for every parking space on
the street in a neighborhood that is predominently apartments.
Goalpost shift!
You do that a lot, yes. Then lie about it.
YOU are shifting the goalposts, Terry.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You said it was impossible to even put them on the street
because they'd be rendered useless in less than a day.
No, liar, I didn't. As you have quoted, then lied about, even out
of context.
Yes, you did say that:

'Put those out on the street and the average number of charges per
station before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'

Regardless of the context of the discussion, that is what you said.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Now you *will* lie some more, and quote some more shit you
don't understand that actually proves you full of shit.
Because you're incapable of not lying, and becaus you're my
bitch, and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
<https://www.google.com/maps/place/ChargePoint+Charging+Station
0x f5d26697ce18b91!8m2!3d49.2737592!4d-123.152748>
.4
1h,77.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPSLH5SfIBs2eFwglX2OBvQ!2e0!7i16384
!8 i8192>
Those are 4 charging points, right out in the open, 6 minutes
walk from where I'm sitting.
There are 200 apartments in the complex I'm sitting in right
now, and apartment complexes on either side with more, and
probably over a thousand apartments beyond that. The nearest
charging station is at least three or four miles away. They
have two stations, with, IIRC, two cables each. And it would
take an hour to walk each way back and forth.
Guess what: it's early days.
Guess what: There aren't charging stations at every on-street
parking spot, and there never, ever will be.
Probably not. But they don't get vandalized the way you claimed.

Your claim was that no one would be installing them AT ALL in any
location that didn't have gates to protect them.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Note that I live in California, where electric cars are *very*
popular - among people who have garages they're allowed to
install dedicated electric circuits into. (Because, by
definition, in California, if you own your house, you're pretty
damned well off.)
And "very popular" is what percentage?
Do you know a single person living on minimum wage who can afford
an electric vehicle in addition to their daily driver? No. You
don't. You certainly can't.
Strawman...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
No "concrete bunker" (yes, you really said that) required.
Come install 200 charging stations here, on the street, then.
Unless, of course, you know you're full of shit as always. Or
because you have never had a job that pays more than minimum
wage, and can't afford a bicycle. We all know the truth,
dumbass.
That you resort to insults when you're own bullshit is thrown
back at you?
I know you are, but what am I?
I've literally never insulted you, Terry.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
You're right, I think everyone here knows that.
There is *no* *one* here who does not think - know - you're a
retarded, lying dumbass.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Fact: you claimed charging stations would have be behind locked
gates not to be vandalized (and you actually stated that your
enclosed parking garage would be vandalized anyway).
Liar.
I'll deliberately split this in two, but because you'll try and claim
I'm doing something nefarious, I'll mention that it was originally all
one paragraph.

'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the landlord
were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that would likely run
into seven figures for the modest size of the complex), somebody would
steal the copper out of them anyway.'

Put those out on the street and the average number of charges per
station before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Fact: chargers are out there; in the open.
In limited neighborhoods, with 24 hour guards around. Not at every
on-street parking spot in bad neighborhoods.
Why do you hate poor people so much? Is it self hatred?
The new strawman!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:10:56 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't
shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard
one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly
isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And
nobody will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a
cost that would likely run into seven figures for the modest
size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of
them anyway. Put those out on the street and the average
number of charges per station before they're vandalized
would probably be less than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an
especially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station
that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall several
miles away - with 24 hour security.
You said quite specifically that it wouldn't work even where
'Even if the landlord were silly enough to install chargers
(at a cost that would likely run into seven figures for the
modest size of the complex), somebody would steal the copper
out of them anyway.'
And there are no chargers here, or withing several miles. Do
you have a point? Or are you admitting I'm right?
You stated that any chargers installed on the street would be
immediately vandalized, Terry.
Liar.

But let's go back the lies you told months ago. Are you ready to
admit Lynn was 100% correct in his statement that there are tens of
millions of illegals in the US, and tens of thousands more every
month? And that you were completely full of shit when you disputed
it?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Peter Trei
2019-07-08 01:36:43 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that it's
unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a location has a
charger, it's proof that that place is not in a 'bad
neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And he
knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He literally
*can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an especially
bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station that isn't
inside a building is in a shopping mall several miles away - with
24 hour security.
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context, even
though you quoted the actual statement (kind of stalker-ish that
you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say what you hallucinate
it says), which provides context. You will lie because you are
incapable of not doing so. And because, as always, you're my bitch
and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written'/
eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands.
Terry, when *actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in this very thread,
your arguments fall flat when you ignore those facts, and pull numbes out of
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of installation,
its still under 5 figures, and it generates revenue for the owner.
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the revenue. Chargers
are a revenue source.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install in my own house was
$500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.

I don't know how charging in built up areas will work. Newer superchargers
can juice up a car in 15 minutes, making it much closer to the gas station
experience; maybe that will be the way.

However, I can categorically say that some arguments you use simply don't
stand up when confronted with reality.

pt
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 16:01:43 UTC
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On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 6:59:06 PM UTC-4, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Sunday, July 7, 2019 at 4:23:38 AM UTC-4, Ninapenda
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger
with a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers
standing the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard
one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly
isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't
it? You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
This claim has the wonderful property (for Terry) in that
it's unfalsifiable; he will simply assert that if a
location has a charger, it's proof that that place is not
in a 'bad neighborhood'.
No, what Alan's claiming is literally not what I said. And
he knows it. As I said, the lying is patholotical. He
literally *can't* stop himself.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if
the landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost
that would likely run into seven figures for the modest size
of the complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them
anyway. Put those out on the street and the average number of
charges per station before they're vandalized would probably
be less than one.'
In this neighborhood, that would be true. It's not an
especially bad neighborhood, but the nearest charging station
that isn't inside a building is in a shopping mall several
miles away - with 24 hour security.
You will, of course, lie and lie some more about the context,
even though you quoted the actual statement (kind of
stalker-ish that you keep track of stuff that doesn't even say
what you hallucinate it says), which provides context. You will
lie because you are incapable of not doing so. And because, as
always, you're my bitch and I told you to.
Post by Alan Baker
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.writte
n'/ eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
Oh, and your claim of "seven figures"... ...that was bullshit too.
How much do charging stations rated for outdoors cost each?
Thousands, at least, and probably tens of thousands.
Terry, when *actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in this
very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of
installation, its still under 5 figures, and it generates
revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes city
permits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary to
run *200* of them.
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the
revenue. Chargers are a revenue source.
Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die because
you don't like looking at them.
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install in
my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.
How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?
I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.
Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."
Newer
superchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,
For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a lower
cost, with electricity rates here.
making it much
closer to the gas station experience; maybe that will be the
way.
You really love the taste of Elon Musk's dick, don't you?
However, I can categorically say that some arguments you use
simply don't stand up when confronted with reality.
I can categorically say that you're gobbling down Musk's self-
serving marketing hype, and wouldn't recognize reality if it were
fucking you in the ass (which is will eventually do).
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 16:28:10 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in this
very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those
Post by Peter Trei
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of
installation, its still under 5 figures, and it generates
revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes city
permits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary to
run *200* of them.
1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".

2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one has two
charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per parking spot.

3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down to
$3,352.50 per spot for the unit that gets wall mounted:

<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>

Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the
revenue. Chargers are a revenue source.
Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die because
you don't like looking at them.
Why would spending less on charging a car be worse for the poor?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install in
my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.
How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?
I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.
Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."
Newer
superchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,
For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a lower
cost, with electricity rates here.
Wrong.

The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles, Terry. You
should learn to pay more attention when you're reading.

:-)
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
making it much
closer to the gas station experience; maybe that will be the
way.
You really love the taste of Elon Musk's dick, don't you?
LOL!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
However, I can categorically say that some arguments you use
simply don't stand up when confronted with reality.
I can categorically say that you're gobbling down Musk's self-
serving marketing hype, and wouldn't recognize reality if it were
fucking you in the ass (which is will eventually do).
LOL!
Peter Trei
2019-07-09 17:15:34 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in this
very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those
Post by Peter Trei
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of
installation, its still under 5 figures, and it generates
revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes city
permits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary to
run *200* of them.
1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".
2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one has two
charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per parking spot.
3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down to
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the
revenue. Chargers are a revenue source.
Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die because
you don't like looking at them.
Why would spending less on charging a car be worse for the poor?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install in
my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.
How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?
I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.
Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."
Newer
superchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,
For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a lower
cost, with electricity rates here.
Wrong.
The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles, Terry. You
should learn to pay more attention when you're reading.
I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity. I kind
of doubt that electricity is more expensive per mile than gas.

Terry's in LA, right?

Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4
Gas $4/gallon

Corolla: About 35 mpg

400 miles = ~$45

M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWh

So, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.

Want to revise your claim, Terry?

pt
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 20:44:10 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in this
very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore those
Post by Peter Trei
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost of
installation, its still under 5 figures, and it generates
revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes city
permits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary to
run *200* of them.
1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".
2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one has two
charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per parking spot.
3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down to
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the
revenue. Chargers are a revenue source.
Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die because
you don't like looking at them.
Why would spending less on charging a car be worse for the poor?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial/
chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install in
my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.
How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?
I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.
Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."
Newer
superchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,
For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a lower
cost, with electricity rates here.
Wrong.
The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles, Terry. You
should learn to pay more attention when you're reading.
I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity. I kind
of doubt that electricity is more expensive per mile than gas.
Terry's in LA, right?
Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4
Gas $4/gallon
Corolla: About 35 mpg
400 miles = ~$45
M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWh
So, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.
Want to revise your claim, Terry?
pt
Far more likely he'll now claim he never said it...
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:13:43 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
On Tuesday, July 9, 2019 at 12:28:13 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
On 2019-07-08 9:01 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in
this very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore
Post by Peter Trei
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in
cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and it
generates revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes
city permits, and the new electrical service that would be
necessary to run *200* of them.
1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully
close".
2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one
has two charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per
parking spot.
3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercia
l/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the
revenue. Chargers are a revenue source.
Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die
because you don't like looking at them.
Why would spending less on charging a car be worse for the
poor?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commerc
ial/ chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install
in my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.
How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?
I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.
Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."
Newer
superchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,
For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a
lower cost, with electricity rates here.
Wrong.
The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles,
Terry. You should learn to pay more attention when you're
reading.
I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity.
I kind of doubt that electricity is more expensive per mile
than gas.
Terry's in LA, right?
Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4
Gas $4/gallon
Corolla: About 35 mpg
400 miles = ~$45
M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWh
So, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.
Want to revise your claim, Terry?
pt
Far more likely he'll now claim he never said it...
Liar.

I'm still waiting for you to agree that Lynn was right in his
statement that there are tens of millions of illegals in the US,
and tens of thousands more every month. Are you man enough to admit
he was right, and you were completely full of shit? No, you're not.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:12:38 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
On 2019-07-08 9:01 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in
this very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore
Post by Peter Trei
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in
cost of installation, its still under 5 figures, and it
generates revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes
city permits, and the new electrical service that would be
necessary to run *200* of them.
1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully
close".
2. The price were parking spot is half that, because each one
has two charging ports. So now we're now down to $3,605 per
parking spot.
3. That unit is for a free-standing installation. It goes down
<https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commercial
/chargepoint-ct4023-gw1/>
Is $$3,352.50 "awfully close" to $10K, Terry?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
BTW, they'll happily subsidize it in return for part of the
revenue. Chargers are a revenue source.
Which is another way to tell poor people to go away and die
because you don't like looking at them.
Why would spending less on charging a car be worse for the
poor?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Peter Trei
https://smartchargeamerica.com/electric-car-chargers/commerc
ial/ chargepoint-ct4021-gw1-gateway-unit/
That's commercial. The Tesla L2 charger I bought to install
in my own house was $500. Yes, its rated for outdoors.
How many hours does it take to charge up a car to travel 400 miles?
I don't know how charging in built up areas will work.
Niether does anyone else, other than "give us money."
Newer
superchargers can juice up a car in 15 minutes,
For 75 miles. In three minutes, I can gas up for 400. At a
lower cost, with electricity rates here.
Wrong.
The cite you were give said it was 5 minutes for 75 miles,
Terry. You should learn to pay more attention when you're
reading.
I'm curious what rates Terry is paying for gas and electricity.
I kind of doubt that electricity is more expensive per mile than
gas.
Terry's in LA, right?
Electricity: 18.6 c / kWh - last year peaked at 32.4
Gas $4/gallon
Corolla: About 35 mpg
400 miles = ~$45
M3 gets a little better than 4 miles/kWh
So, 400 miles = $18.6, $32.4 at the market peak last year.
Want to revise your claim, Terry?
Get real electricity rates. And real mileage rates. And a clue.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:11:42 UTC
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On 2019-07-08 9:01 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Terry, when*actual* *numbers* have actually been posted in
this very thread, your arguments fall flat when you ignore
Post by Peter Trei
One of the big commercial networks is Chargepoint, and
a 2-stall charger from them costs $7210. Even adding in cost
of installation, its still under 5 figures, and it generates
revenue for the owner.
Which is awfully close to $10k each, without (as you note)
installation). Now factor in installation, which includes city
permits, and the new electrical service that would be necessary
to run *200* of them.
1. 72.1% of something is no one's definition of "awfully close".
Liar.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 17:39:07 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open
air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports of it
happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in the
open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than a
day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will any
time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 18:32:57 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports
of it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than
a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 19:53:16 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports
of it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than
a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway. Put
those out on the street and the average number of charges per
station before they're vandalized would probably be less than one.'

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/eDE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>

So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?

:-)
Ninapenda Jibini
2019-07-07 23:10:07 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/e
DE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?
Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods. Just
in the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying another key for
the new security gates.

What *would* you propose for people who live in bad neighborhoods?
People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosed
garage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justify the
expense only because they'd literally be homeless without it
because they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? There are
millions of such people in the US. How would you suggest they own
an electric car? Or would you prefer they just go die somewhere so
you don't have to admit how full of hateful shit you are?
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.

BTW, since you haven't disputed Lynn's claim that tens of thousands
(now 130,000+) people are entering the US illegally every *month*,
and tens of millions are living here illegally now, you have
admitted he was right, and that you're full of shit, and a liar.

But we all know that, because the proof is in my .sig. Right, liar-
boy?
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 01:31:36 UTC
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Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written/e
DE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?
Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods. Just
in the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying another key for
the new security gates.
What *would* you propose for people who live in bad neighborhoods?
People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosed
garage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justify the
expense only because they'd literally be homeless without it
because they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? There are
millions of such people in the US. How would you suggest they own
an electric car? Or would you prefer they just go die somewhere so
you don't have to admit how full of hateful shit you are?
I've never once suggested that every person gets an electric car, Terry.
That's a strawman you've just created.

By the way, since your whole thesis about this revolves around the theft
of the copper in the charging stations and since you insist that drug
addicts can't make cost-benefit decisions about what to attempt to steal...

...how is it that any internal combustion engine car works in any of
those bad neighbourhoods?

They all have copper wire in them. It can be stolen and sold...

...so explain this.

:-)
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 16:04:17 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't
so sad.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
/e DE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?
Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods.
Just in the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying another
key for the new security gates.
What *would* you propose for people who live in bad
neighborhoods?
People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosed
garage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justify
the expense only because they'd literally be homeless without
it because they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? There
are millions of such people in the US. How would you suggest
they own an electric car? Or would you prefer they just go die
somewhere so you don't have to admit how full of hateful shit
you are?
I've never once suggested that every person gets an electric
car, Terry.
Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
That's a strawman you've just created.
Liar.
Post by Alan Baker
By the way, since your whole thesis about this revolves around
the theft of the copper in the charging stations and since you
insist that drug addicts can't make cost-benefit decisions about
what to attempt to steal...
Not my claim, liar.
Post by Alan Baker
...how is it that any internal combustion engine car works in
any of those bad neighbourhoods?
In many cases, they don't.
Post by Alan Baker
They all have copper wire in them. It can be stolen and sold...
The copper in a car is a lot harder to strip out. Batteries, tires
mounted on expensive wheels, and other easily fenced items,
however, get stolen quote a lot.
Post by Alan Baker
...so explain this.
The explanation is that you're stupid, and apparently mentally ill
to the point of being incapable of interacting with reality.
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 16:30:47 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey
every Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with
a cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing
the open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station
in the open without armed guards would be vandalized in
less than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your patholotical lying would be pretty funny if it weren't so sad.
'I have off-street parking, but it's not enclosed. Even if the
landlord were silly enough to install chargers (at a cost that
would likely run into seven figures for the modest size of the
complex), somebody would steal the copper out of them anyway.
Put those out on the street and the average number of charges
per station before they're vandalized would probably be less
than one.'
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/rec.arts.sf.written
/e DE4pvOa4oU/gkdvvoWUAwAJ>
So I guess you must live in a "bad neighbourhood", huh?
Not overly so, but there are certainly better neighborhoods.
Just in the last few weeks, we've had to start carrying another
key for the new security gates.
What *would* you propose for people who live in bad
neighborhoods?
People who have no hope of ever owning a house with an enclosed
garage? People who are lucky to own a car at all, and justify
the expense only because they'd literally be homeless without
it because they couldn't hold down a minimum wage job? There
are millions of such people in the US. How would you suggest
they own an electric car? Or would you prefer they just go die
somewhere so you don't have to admit how full of hateful shit
you are?
I've never once suggested that every person gets an electric
car, Terry.
Liar.
Let's see quote.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
That's a strawman you've just created.
Liar.
Let's see quote.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
By the way, since your whole thesis about this revolves around
the theft of the copper in the charging stations and since you
insist that drug addicts can't make cost-benefit decisions about
what to attempt to steal...
Not my claim, liar.
Yes... ...it really was.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
...how is it that any internal combustion engine car works in
any of those bad neighbourhoods?
In many cases, they don't.
Post by Alan Baker
They all have copper wire in them. It can be stolen and sold...
The copper in a car is a lot harder to strip out. Batteries, tires
mounted on expensive wheels, and other easily fenced items,
however, get stolen quote a lot.
Really? Look out on your street right now. Take pictures of all the cars
stripped of their wheels.

And given that your previous contention was that a drug addict's "near
infinite" need meant they were completely incapable of doing any sort of
analysis about how hard something was to steal versus the value that
they might get for it, I find it strange that you've suddenly discovered
that it might make a difference in what they choose to steal.

:-)
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
...so explain this.
The explanation is that you're stupid, and apparently mentally ill
to the point of being incapable of interacting with reality.
LOL!
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:14:29 UTC
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I'm still waiting for you to agree that Lynn was right in his
statement that there are tens of millions of illegals in the US, and
tens of thousands more every month. Are you man enough to admit he
was right, and you were completely full of shit? No, you're not.

Until you're willing to admit you were full of shit, and *lied*,
there's no point in reading any more of your lies.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 16:02:15 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports
of it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than
a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
I never said otherwise, liar.
Post by Alan Baker
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Your mental illness is no joke.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-08 16:48:00 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports
of it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than
a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
I never said otherwise, liar.
So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?

Because you said even in an "enclosed" garage like your complexes, any
charging stations would probably be immediately vandalized.

You DO agree you said that, right?

:-)
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-08 17:06:34 UTC
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On 2019-07-08 9:02 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 9:09:45 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
I never said otherwise, liar.
So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?
Asked and answer already, retard.
Because you said even in an "enclosed" garage like your
complexes,
I said, specifically, that I do *not* have enclosed parking, liar.
:-)
Pretending you're kidding makes you look retarded.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 18:48:25 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On 2019-07-08 9:02 a.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's
Thunderbird Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every
Tuesday), and those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two
reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't a
significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less
than a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it?
You literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody
will any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
I never said otherwise, liar.
So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?
Asked and answer already, retard.
Because you said even in an "enclosed" garage like your
complexes,
I said, specifically, that I do *not* have enclosed parking, liar.
My error... ...freely admitted.

You still said that it would be vandalized inside a day...

...and when you said it, you never mentioned anything about the nature
of the neighbourhood being a criterion.
Robert Carnegie
2019-07-08 18:26:05 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports
of it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than
a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
I never said otherwise, liar.
So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?
That's defined by who lives there, really.
Alan Baker
2019-07-09 17:43:33 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird
Sports Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and
those are charging stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a
cable that was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the
open air of a mall parking lot. I've heard one or two reports
of it happening, but it certainly isn't a significant issue.
Funny that, isn't it?
I was told in no uncertain terms that a charging station in
the open without armed guards would be vandalized in less than
a day.
No, you weren't, liar. The lying is pathological, isn't it? You
literally *can't* stop youself.
Nobody's putting them in bad neighborhoods yet. And nobody will
any time soon.
Oh! Now it's only a problem in bad NEIGHBORHOODS!
I never said otherwise, liar.
So you're saying that you live in a bad neighbourhood?
That's defined by who lives there, really.
Isn't it just?

:-D
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2019-07-11 20:14:46 UTC
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I'm still waiting for you to agree that Lynn was right in his
statement that there are tens of millions of illegals in the US, and
tens of thousands more every month. Are you man enough to admit he
was right, and you were completely full of shit? No, you're not.

Until you're willing to admit you were full of shit, and *lied*,
there's no point in reading any more of your lies.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jerry Brown
2019-07-07 18:16:54 UTC
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On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT), Peter Trei
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird Sports
Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable that
was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parking
lot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't
a significant issue.
pt
I'm in the UK and I've noticed a couple of charging posts on the way
to work. However, each post has only a socket on either side,
suggesting that the cable stays with the car.

This also suggests that there may be multiple standards for charging
connections (unless a UK electric car has a matching socket and can
either use its own cable or a one from a post (if there are ones like
the US ones in the picture above).
--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Alan Baker
2019-07-07 20:58:26 UTC
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Post by Jerry Brown
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT), Peter Trei
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird Sports
Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable that
was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parking
lot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't
a significant issue.
pt
I'm in the UK and I've noticed a couple of charging posts on the way
to work. However, each post has only a socket on either side,
suggesting that the cable stays with the car.
This also suggests that there may be multiple standards for charging
connections (unless a UK electric car has a matching socket and can
either use its own cable or a one from a post (if there are ones like
the US ones in the picture above).
I've never had cause to look closely enough at the charging units out at
UBC to see if they have sockets as well as cables, but next time I'm
there, I'll take a look.

What I can tell you is that despite being located in an unprotected
location...

...none have had their cables stolen for their copper.

:-)
Peter Trei
2019-07-07 22:44:09 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jerry Brown
On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:35:14 -0700 (PDT), Peter Trei
Post by Peter Trei
Post by Alan Baker
Post by Alan Baker
Yeah...
<https://www.plugshare.com/>
Zoom out and look at all of North America.
Oh, and by default, restricted locations aren't shown.
:-)
<https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0yGY8gBYGSQWOg>
That's a panorama of the parking garage at UBC's Thunderbird Sports
Centre (where I go to play hockey every Tuesday), and those are charging
stations...
...right out in the open.
Yeah.
I now drive a Tesla Model 3. I've never seen charger with a cable that
was stolen, even at Superchargers standing the open air of a mall parking
lot. I've heard one or two reports of it happening, but it certainly isn't
a significant issue.
pt
I'm in the UK and I've noticed a couple of charging posts on the way
to work. However, each post has only a socket on either side,
suggesting that the cable stays with the car.
This also suggests that there may be multiple standards for charging
connections (unless a UK electric car has a matching socket and can
either use its own cable or a one from a post (if there are ones like
the US ones in the picture above).
I've never had cause to look closely enough at the charging units out at
UBC to see if they have sockets as well as cables, but next time I'm
there, I'll take a look.
What I can tell you is that despite being located in an unprotected
location...
...none have had their cables stolen for their copper.
:-)
I understand that in Europe it's common to carry a cable. In the US/Canada it is not.

There are a lot of connectors you might encounter, but for me, 90+ % of sites have either the Tesla proprietary connector, or the J1772 connector, which I can use with an adapter supplied with the car.

TMI:
https://chargehub.com/en/electric-car-charging-guide.htmlt
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