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Dune 2
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Scott Lurndal
2024-03-06 18:04:21 UTC
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Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).

It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.

The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.

The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
D
2024-03-06 18:08:11 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
Thank you for the review. I agree, I think the series so far is way better
than the 1984 and 2000 ones and will look forward to see nr 2 in a few
weeks or so.
John
2024-03-06 20:38:10 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.

john
Scott Lurndal
2024-03-06 20:49:45 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
John
2024-03-06 22:21:52 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?

john
Scott Lurndal
2024-03-06 22:36:06 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
someone, I hope.
Scott Dorsey
2024-03-06 23:54:48 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Lynn McGuire
2024-03-07 00:17:41 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
--scott
He is complaining about "Civil War".


Lynn
Jay E. Morris
2024-03-07 02:16:52 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film?  Can anything be any worse than another
Ghostbusters
film?
--scott
He is complaining about "Civil War".
   http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Lynn
Thanks. I had no idea since that preview wasn't shown when I went.
William Hyde
2024-03-07 22:26:53 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
He is complaining about "Civil War".
    http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Normally I would click on that link.

But after recent experience, I fear that my normal selection of videos
on music, chess, SF, History, Mathematics, Science would be replaced by
more whiny neckbeard guys complaining about Abraham Lincoln.

And I have more than enough of those.

Oh for the days when you could tell youtube that you did not want a
certain video to influence your selections. What a paradise we lived
in long ago in 2016! You try telling that to kids today!

William Hyde
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-03-07 23:11:50 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
He is complaining about "Civil War".
    http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Normally I would click on that link.
But after recent experience, I fear that my normal selection of videos
on music, chess, SF, History, Mathematics, Science would be replaced by
more whiny neckbeard guys complaining about Abraham Lincoln.
And I have more than enough of those.
Oh for the days when you could tell youtube that you did not want a
certain video to influence your selections. What a paradise we lived
in long ago in 2016! You try telling that to kids today!


Of course you'll probably get more, but that's not a bad thing for Ryan George
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Christian Weisgerber
2024-03-08 00:16:42 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
He is complaining about "Civil War".
    http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Normally I would click on that link.
But after recent experience, I fear that my normal selection of videos
on music, chess, SF, History, Mathematics, Science would be replaced by
more whiny neckbeard guys complaining about Abraham Lincoln.
That's why you open a new browser window in private mode to watch
random YouTube videos.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber ***@mips.inka.de
Default User
2024-03-08 04:20:37 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
He is complaining about "Civil War".
    http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Normally I would click on that link.
But after recent experience, I fear that my normal selection of
videos on music, chess, SF, History, Mathematics, Science would be
replaced by more whiny neckbeard guys complaining about Abraham
Lincoln.
Two ways to deal with that.

1. Open the video in a private window. This won't work if you need to
be signed in to see it.

2. Go to your history and delete that video from it.


Brian
William Hyde
2024-03-08 19:33:40 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
He is complaining about "Civil War".
    http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Normally I would click on that link.
But after recent experience, I fear that my normal selection of
videos on music, chess, SF, History, Mathematics, Science would be
replaced by more whiny neckbeard guys complaining about Abraham
Lincoln.
Two ways to deal with that.
1. Open the video in a private window. This won't work if you need to
be signed in to see it.
2. Go to your history and delete that video from it.
Ah, thanks to you both.

William Hyde
Robert Woodward
2024-03-08 05:41:55 UTC
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Post by William Hyde
Post by Lynn McGuire
He is complaining about "Civil War".
    http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Normally I would click on that link.
But after recent experience, I fear that my normal selection of videos
on music, chess, SF, History, Mathematics, Science would be replaced by
more whiny neckbeard guys complaining about Abraham Lincoln.
It is a movie soon to be released; a very stupid one (that has little to
do with Abraham Lincoln), I believe that there is a Wikipedia article on
it.
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Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Scott Dorsey
2024-03-08 13:52:50 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
He is complaining about "Civil War".
http://youtu.be/cA4wVhs3HC0
Okay, yeah, that could be worse than another Ghostbusters film.

When I was booking films for Arisia, one of the film distributors tried to
interest me in some new blockbuster film. "What is it about?" I asked.
"It's about things blowing up," he answered. And it was.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-03-07 01:32:53 UTC
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Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
--scott
Presumably, as the last was pretty entertaining.
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Paul S Person
2024-03-07 16:37:30 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
--scott
Presumably, as the last was pretty entertaining.
If you mean the one with the grandkids -- yes, actually, it was.

But, for me, it failed when the Originals had to show up to save the
day.

If I'm going to watch a film about kid Ghostbusters, I want it to be
about their triumph, not their rescue.

It was nice to see the originals once again, I must admit.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-03-07 16:58:27 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another
Ghostbusters
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Dorsey
film?
--scott
Presumably, as the last was pretty entertaining.
If you mean the one with the grandkids -- yes, actually, it was.
Yeah, that one. As PitchMeeting mentioned, the teen boy was kind of
useless, but I really liked the grandaughter.


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What's not in Columbia anymore..
Paul S Person
2024-03-07 16:35:08 UTC
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Post by John
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Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
There are a lot of ... imaginative ... filmmakers out there.

Be careful what you wish for! Or even ask about!
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"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Robert Carnegie
2024-03-09 22:32:21 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by John
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Post by John
Post by Scott Lurndal
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I agree, nobody wanted *another* Ghostbusters movie.
Well, that's minor compared to the one I was obliquely referring
to, and which I have no desire to promote.
I know, I was making fun of you for complaining about a movie whose
existence you consider so bad that you daren't speak its name... like
what are we supposed to take from that? What's it add to this
discussion? In short, who gives a shit?
I have no idea what this film is but, really, can it be any worse than
another Ghostbusters film? Can anything be any worse than another Ghostbusters
film?
There are a lot of ... imaginative ... filmmakers out there.
Be careful what you wish for! Or even ask about!
<https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240305-sydney-sweeney-new-rom-com-era-golden-age>
Is a recent feature that is probably praising
_Anyone But You_ as a new achievement in
"mediocre romcom". I think.
Cryptoengineer
2024-03-06 22:03:06 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
I saw it on Friday at a high-end modern cinema - it definitely
benefits from a big screen and an excellent sound system.

It was much more engrossing than most movies, and a great
break from the MCU. I did watch Part One a couple days earlier,
which helped too.

No, it's not completely faithful to the text, but as its own
thing, it was captivating.

pt
Lynn McGuire
2024-03-06 23:06:41 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
Thanks ! My 85 year old Dad and I are going to see it on Friday.

I am hoping for a complete series.

Lynn
Cryptoengineer
2024-03-07 15:28:52 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend.  I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
Thanks !  My 85 year old Dad and I are going to see it on Friday.
I am hoping for a complete series.
The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.

But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.

pt
Mike Van Pelt
2024-03-10 23:12:24 UTC
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The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.
But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.
I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."

That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.
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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-03-11 02:44:23 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.
But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.
I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."
That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.
OTOH, I hated DM, and rather liked COD & GEOD, although apparently
not sufficiently to follow things after that.
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
Tony Nance
2024-03-11 20:40:10 UTC
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Post by Mike Van Pelt
Post by Cryptoengineer
The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.
But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.
I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."
That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.
OTOH, I hated DM, and rather liked COD & GEOD, although apparently
not sufficiently to follow things after that.
In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.

Tony
Paul S Person
2024-03-12 16:04:06 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
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The director definitely want to do Dune Messiah.
But after that, who knows. Things get weird with
half-worm half human rulers, and gholas.
I liked Dune Messiah. Children of Dune, however...
in the memorable words of old time usenetter Brett
Jolly (Trolly? I forget...) "My willing suspension
of disbelief chewed a hole in the back of my skull
to escape, and fled shrieking into the night."
That's the last Dune I ever read. God-Emperor of
Dune, as near as I could tell, was everything I
hated about Children of Dune to the fourth power.
OTOH, I hated DM, and rather liked COD & GEOD, although apparently
not sufficiently to follow things after that.
In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.
That's a good summary.

IIRC, they were written after the State of Washington found that it
had, residing within its borders, an author who had made an awful lot
of money and had paid nothing to the State in business taxes.

IOW, they were written (IIRC) to pay the tax bill.

I skipped the posthumous continuation altogether.
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"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
The Horny Goat
2024-03-17 18:36:30 UTC
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In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.
Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
writer?
Scott Dorsey
2024-03-17 19:04:37 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.
Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
writer?
It claims to have been written by Frank Herbert. I would have hoped a
ghost writer would have done better.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Mike Van Pelt
2024-03-18 02:21:55 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
Post by Tony Nance
I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.
Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
writer?
It claims to have been written by Frank Herbert. I would have hoped a
ghost writer would have done better.
When Chapterhouse: Dune was released, the San Francisco station
KGO had Frank Herbert as a guest on Jim Eason's program. Herbert
was promoting the book there, mixed with general interview stuff
with the host. At one time getting into a pun competition.

"What's next, Gunga Dune?"
"Lorna Dune."
"Briga Dune."
"Dune What Comes Naturally"

With that final one by Herbert, Eason gave up the title of punmaster.
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Tony Nance
2024-03-17 19:39:04 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.
Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
writer?
No - Or at least, Frank Herbert passed away in 1986, and Heretics of
Dune & Chapterhouse: Dune were published in 1984 & 1985 respectively.
Chapterhouse was the last Dune novel I ever read - and it is very likely
to remain so.

Tony
Paul S Person
2024-03-18 15:40:22 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
Post by Tony Nance
In my very humble opinion, you didn't miss much. A million years ago
here in rasfw, I mentioned Heretics of Dune (aka My Own Private Duncan
Idaho) as the worst SFF "turkey" I had finished reading. For the life of
me, I don't know why I then went on to read Chapterhouse: Dune, but I
did, and it was not much better. At this remove, I don't remember a
whole lot of either one - my sense is that they weren't "throw at the
wall" bad, but they were really disappointing.
Is that one of those "Dune" books written by Herbert's son and a ghost
writer?
No - Or at least, Frank Herbert passed away in 1986, and Heretics of
Dune & Chapterhouse: Dune were published in 1984 & 1985 respectively.
Chapterhouse was the last Dune novel I ever read - and it is very likely
to remain so.
I would have liked to learn more about the Honored Matres, but my
general policy is to /not/ continue with series once the auther ceases
to be the author. Co-author or new author, it generally not matter.

There are exceptions: James Bond, one Holmes, finished novels
published after the author died (quite a few for PK Dick, since he
couldn't get anyone to publish them while he was alive).
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Paul S Person
2024-03-07 16:48:22 UTC
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Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
I'll be seeing it when I can rent it from Amazon for a reasonable
price. Or it goes to Prime or Netflix.

I'm not clear on the "practical effect rather than visual magic".
Surely they didn't find a Worm and use it! Did they construct a
complete, full-size animatronic Worm? Or was it all of three inches
long?

The 1984 Worm looked pretty "practical" to me so, if it wasn't, it was
well-done.

One of the special features on the /Wild Wild West/ DVD (I went
through two of them and no disc versions appear to be available)
mentioned that they actually constructed one of the spider's legs. Out
of iron, as shown in the film. It was so heavy that it was clear that
such a spider simply couldn't have been built -- in 1869.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Scott Lurndal
2024-03-07 17:06:40 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
I'll be seeing it when I can rent it from Amazon for a reasonable
price. Or it goes to Prime or Netflix.
I'm not clear on the "practical effect rather than visual magic".
Surely they didn't find a Worm and use it! Did they construct a
complete, full-size animatronic Worm? Or was it all of three inches
long?

Lynn McGuire
2024-03-11 05:01:10 UTC
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Post by Scott Lurndal
Perhaps a bit off-topic for .written, but I went to see
Dune 2 last weekend. I quite enjoyed it (orders of magnitude
better than the the 1984 version with Sting, and better than
the 2000 miniseries).
It was an adept telling of the second half of the first novel,
terminating with the emperor kneeling to Muad'dib.
The best part was Paul's first worm-ride (done as a practical
effect rather than visual magic), but the rest of the film
(aside the modern cinemetographic tendancy to poor contrast
and lighting - not as bad as the first film, but still)
was excellent.
The only sour note was during the previews before the film,
one of which I think should not have been made in this time
and place, and which I hope bombs at the box office when it
premiers.
My 85 year old dad and I enjoyed the movie very much. We are looking
forward to Part III. We enjoyed Part I also.

Thank you !

Lynn
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