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Anthropogenic Climate Change Denialism in SF
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Robert Woodward
2024-12-07 05:58:38 UTC
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I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
the 2020 Presidential election as well.
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Don
2024-12-07 15:23:01 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
the 2020 Presidential election as well.
THE HIDDEN TRUTH by Schantz is a Young Adult set in an alternate reality
where Gore became President. In this reality the White House was hit on
9-11.

President Lieberman got Congress to pass the Preserving
our Planet's Future Act as a monument to the late President
Gore. A key part of the plan to decrease greenhouse gas
emissions and rein in global warming involved a carbon tax
that opponents, like Dad, called the "Gore Tax." Global
temperatures had stopped rising and in fact levelled off in
the years since the plan passed. A strong consensus of
scientists all agreed that the President's action had
averted global disaster, yet some extremists denied there
was a connection between the law and the climate. It was all
just a coincidence and natural variation, they claimed. Dad
followed climate-denier websites like wattsupwiththat.com
where skeptics argued that because carbon dioxide levels had
continued to rise while temperatures levelled off, the Gore
Tax was ineffective. But any number of climate scientists
had models proving just how much worse greenhouse gases and
temperatures both would have been without the law. I'd tried
discussing the scientific consensus and the importance of
saving the planet from climate change with Dad, but he was
just too stubborn to listen to me.


... several chapters later ...


"Do you recall the Whiskey Rebellion?"

I'd read about that in Paul Johnson's A History of the
American People. "Sure. Frontier folk in Pennsylvania
couldn't get their corn to market because the expense of
carting it in bulk across the mountains was too high. So,
they distilled it to whiskey which made it more portable.
But then, the federal government started taxing whiskey
and they rebelled. Washington sent the Army in to restore
control."

"Yeah, that's the gist of it," Uncle Rob agreed. "That's
what gave me the idea. Up and down the Appalachians
there's natural gas wells. Not so many in these hills,
but more up into Kentucky and West Virginia. Part of the
Gore Tax included a heap of new regulations on how to
transport natural gas. The regulators carefully crafted
the rules in collusion with Tolliver Corporation and some
of the other large energy companies who were big campaign
contributors. They engineered the regulations to make it
very difficult for small independents to get their natural
gas transported to market at any reasonable expense. So
most of their wells are idle and their owners are losing
their shirts. It's the same problem as faced those
frontiersmen with all the bulky corn they couldn't
transport. How did they solve it?"

"By distilling it down to a more compact form," I answered.
"You mean chilling and liquefying the natural gas?"

"Sharp kid," Uncle Rob said to Dad. "But, not quite there
yet," he said to me. "Liquefied natural gas, chilled and
compressed to make it more compact is a standard technique.
But, the energy companies and their lobbyists thought of
that. They forbid shipping liquefied natural gas by tanker
truck except for very short distances. And somehow, while
it is perfectly safe and acceptable to truck gas from a
rail depot or a distributor to a customer, when the gas is
being moved the other direction from a gas field to a rail
depot or to a distributor or directly to an end user, it
suddenly becomes too dangerous to transport on a truck.
The upshot of it is, if you don't have a rail spur to your
gas field, you pretty much can't ship your gas in compact
liquefied form which means it just isn't economical to ship."

"So how do you ship it?" I asked.

"You don't," Uncle Rob grinned. "That's the beauty of it. If
you can't bring your natural gas to your customer, you bring
your customer to your natural gas." I was confused. Uncle Rob
continued. "Your Mom and Dad engineered a mobile system in a
cargo container for compressing, liquefying, and distilling
air. It burns natural gas to drive the compressor and chiller.
We truck our rig on up to a natural gas field, and we tap
into what would otherwise be an idle well for a few hours. We
burn the natural gas and collect the liquefied compressed air
into tanker trucks: about four tanker trucks of liquid nitrogen
for every tanker truck of liquid oxygen. We have a small tank
that collects the residue of argon and heavier gasses. Our
production method isn't as efficient as big fixed plants, but
our energy costs are way lower. The small independents are
happy to get a market for natural gas they otherwise couldn't
sell, and we're able to get a steep discount. The rules for
trucking compressed liquefied oxygen and nitrogen are still
much less stringent than for liquefied natural gas.

Danke,

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James Nicoll
2024-12-07 18:48:51 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
the 2020 Presidential election as well.
Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found
surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
(and I have not read it).

Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly
undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
into their fiction.

(There was an odd assertion in an L. Neil Smith about Antarctica
being ice-free 15,000 years ago but it didn't really figure into
the plot)
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Lynn McGuire
2024-12-07 20:32:42 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
the 2020 Presidential election as well.
Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found
surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
(and I have not read it).
Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly
undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
into their fiction.
(There was an odd assertion in an L. Neil Smith about Antarctica
being ice-free 15,000 years ago but it didn't really figure into
the plot)
James, you have a great memory.

Lynn
Robert Woodward
2024-12-08 05:59:41 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
the 2020 Presidential election as well.
Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found
surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
(and I have not read it).
It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful
attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't
consider it to be ACC denialism at all.
Post by James Nicoll
Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly
undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
into their fiction.
OTH, there were stories, even back in the 1970s where the sea level had
risen over 100 feet (e.g., "Manhattan Reef" appears in "Starships in
Whose Future?" - Analog, August 1978).
--
"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Robert Woodward ***@drizzle.com
James Nicoll
2024-12-08 14:46:47 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
I know of one book, _The Last Centurion_ by John Ringo (published in
2008). There are probably others. What is really odd about _tLC_, is
that there was a pandemic starting, IIRC, in 2019 (a really nasty one -
world fatalities, IMS, exceeded 1 billion). Oh, yes, the US presidential
administration flubbed the response, big time (I believe the president
was a "Hillary Clinton" pastiche). There was significant turmoil over
the 2020 Presidential election as well.
Camestros Felapton looked for Contrarian Cli-Fi in 2022 and found
surprisingly few examples, of which the Ringo was one. Another was
Pournelle, Niven, and Flynn's dire Fallen Angels, which judging
by the frequency with which people mentioned it in the comments to
relevant essays of mine on Tor Dot Com/Reactor is by far the
better known of the two. Crichton's State of Fear was a third
(and I have not read it).
It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful
attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't
consider it to be ACC denialism at all.
I'd count it as the idea is that those darn treehuggers are wrong to
fear our friend [strike] Tetraethyllead [/strike] CO2 but if you're
right, then the supply of CCD is even shorter.
Post by Robert Woodward
Post by James Nicoll
Otherwise, esp if one leaves off pre-1990 examples, CCF is a weirdly
undersupplied genre, at least from major publishers. Lots of authors
loudly proclaim their skepticism but it does not seem to percolate
into their fiction.
OTH, there were stories, even back in the 1970s where the sea level had
risen over 100 feet (e.g., "Manhattan Reef" appears in "Starships in
Whose Future?" - Analog, August 1978).
Davy, from the 1960s. A Fond Farewell to Dying, late 1970s.
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quadibloc
2024-12-10 20:52:32 UTC
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It was my impression that _Fallen Angels_ was the result of a successful
attempt to significantly reduce CO2 emissions. If that is so, I wouldn't
consider it to be ACC denialism at all.
Instead of denying the physics of the greenhouse effect, it denied that
there was any necessity to act to prevent global warming - because of
more complex factors, such as natural climate cycles, there was really
no problem, but these ideologically-driven fanatics kept going despite
their actions causing an ice age.

So in the debate about cutting emissions in response to the threat of
global warming, it was clear whose side he was on, and it was not the
side of the angels - or the side of Greta Thunberg.

John Savard

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