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[Meta] Wait, you sort your books how???
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Tony Nance
2024-07-15 13:32:33 UTC
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More signs of madness in this crazy world:

I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!

Here’s a link to the main source (published in October):
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them

Tony
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-15 13:48:50 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
--
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
Tony Nance
2024-07-15 13:54:23 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Tony Nance
2024-07-15 14:01:05 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
must have hit "publish by accident" ... anyhow:

That is indeed a point mentioned in the article:
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."

Tony
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-15 15:33:59 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
An example of this method of saying 'I don't actually read':

https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/r9fc7p/this_book_collection_sorted_by_color/

pt
James Nicoll
2024-07-15 16:26:33 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/r9fc7p/this_book_collection_sorted_by_color/
If they are young and have mostly ebooks, they may be fans of control f.
Several of my young co-workers rely on search over organization. No
proper file structure to organize files, just one big folder.
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James Nicoll
2024-07-15 16:44:52 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked —
shocked! —
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some
who sort
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/r9fc7p/this_book_collection_sorted_by_color/
If they are young and have mostly ebooks, they may be fans of control f.
Several of my young co-workers rely on search over organization. No
proper file structure to organize files, just one big folder.
They're also sometimes unfamiliar with old time chronological slang,
so it's best to avoid quaint phrases like "quarter to three,
daddio! *finger-snapping*" for "two forty five."
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
Paul S Person
2024-07-16 15:23:29 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
If they are young and have mostly ebooks, they may be fans of control f.
Several of my young co-workers rely on search over organization. No
proper file structure to organize files, just one big folder.
Well, it /would/ save a lot of drilling down to find the right
sub-sub-sub-sub-sub-directory.

But I would think it would put a premium on their ability to remember
what content to search on to find a particular file.
--
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Titus G
2024-07-16 05:37:10 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
I thought I owned about 50 real books but after curiosity motivated a
count, I discovered I own 140 of which about 30 are of SF genre in a
separate bookcase in no particular order other than series/trilogies in
sequence. The children's books are together as are the 1960's FI and
Indianapolis racing books but the rest are a muddle. All are simply dust
collectors including the 30 SF favourites as they are duplicated as
ebooks using Calibre. When I finish reading a book, I delete it from the
Kindle on which I store books to be read, collections and some
non-fiction stuff. My understanding is that I do not legally own ebooks
on my PC in Calibre whose library system is suitable for me for 2000+
ebooks.

When I do enter the spare bedroom where the SF bookcase is, I do get a
small pleasure from speed reading the titles, a different experience to
reading a title in Calibre.
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-16 15:37:23 UTC
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Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
I thought I owned about 50 real books but after curiosity motivated a
count, I discovered I own 140 of which about 30 are of SF genre in a
separate bookcase in no particular order other than series/trilogies in
sequence. The children's books are together as are the 1960's FI and
Indianapolis racing books but the rest are a muddle. All are simply dust
collectors including the 30 SF favourites as they are duplicated as
ebooks using Calibre. When I finish reading a book, I delete it from the
Kindle on which I store books to be read, collections and some
non-fiction stuff. My understanding is that I do not legally own ebooks
on my PC in Calibre whose library system is suitable for me for 2000+
ebooks.
When I do enter the spare bedroom where the SF bookcase is, I do get a
small pleasure from speed reading the titles, a different experience to
reading a title in Calibre.
How many e books have you bought?

I (and I expect many of the regulars in this group) own well over a
thousand physical books. It was one of the hallmarks of an SF fan
until ebooks became viable.

A favorite quote on the topic:

"I am a product of long corridors, empty sunlit rooms, upstairs indoor
silences, attics explored in solitude, distant noises of gurgling
cisterns and pipes, and the noise of wind under the tiles. Also, of
endless books. My father bought all the books he read and never got rid
of any of them. There were books in the study, books in the drawing
room, books in the cloakroom, books (two deep) in the great bookcase on
the landing, books in a bedroom, books piled as high as my shoulder in
the cistern attic...In the seemingly endless rainy afternoons I took
volume after volume from the shelves. I had always the same certainty of
finding a book that was new to me as a man who walks into a field has of
finding a new blade of grass."

- CS Lewis

pt
Titus G
2024-07-17 05:38:42 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
I thought I owned about 50 real books but after curiosity motivated a
count, I discovered I own 140 of which about 30 are of SF genre in a
separate bookcase in no particular order other than series/trilogies in
sequence. The children's books are together as are the 1960's FI and
Indianapolis racing books but the rest are a muddle. All are simply dust
collectors including the 30 SF favourites as they are duplicated as
ebooks using Calibre. When I finish reading a book, I delete it from the
Kindle on which I store books to be read, collections and some
non-fiction stuff. My understanding is that I do not legally own ebooks
on my PC in Calibre whose library system is suitable for me for 2000+
ebooks.
When I do enter the spare bedroom where the SF bookcase is, I do get a
small pleasure from speed reading the titles, a different experience to
reading a title in Calibre.
How many e books have you bought?
I do not know. I 'inherited' a large number with my first Kindle.
Initially I snaffled everything free I could find including Gutenburg.
I don't read anything online, but download it, convert to plain text and
open with Calibre to read on the Kindle. There might be 100 things
written by me. Overall I have over 2,000 items in the Calibre Library.
1 think I have had the Kindle for 9 years and have read 75 to a 100 pa
so perhaps I have 'bought' 6 to 700. Even the free books from Amazon
aren't really bought but actually just rented.
Post by Cryptoengineer
I (and I expect many of the regulars in this group) own well over a
thousand physical books. It was one of the hallmarks of an SF fan
until ebooks became viable.
I am not a fanatic as is Dimwire with his love of every young adult or
survivalist apology for SF. I think my first SF book after decades of
sporadic exposure, was Considerable Fleabites which I found amazing, (I
might have read it soon after almost losing the will to live from over a
million words in the dreadful In Rememberance Of Things Past.) It is the
only Ian M that I own although I have read all his novels, several more
than once and all from the library.
Post by Cryptoengineer
"I am a product of long corridors, empty sunlit rooms, upstairs indoor
silences, attics explored in solitude, distant noises of gurgling
cisterns and pipes, and the noise of wind under the tiles. Also, of
endless books. My father bought all the books he read and never got rid
of any of them. There were books in the study, books in the drawing
room, books in the cloakroom, books (two deep) in the great bookcase on
the landing, books in a bedroom, books piled as high as my shoulder in
the cistern attic...In the seemingly endless rainy afternoons I took
volume after volume from the shelves. I had always the same certainty of
finding a book that was new to me as a man who walks into a field has of
finding a new blade of grass."
 - CS Lewis
My father and uncle exchanged books at Christmas and birthdays. When
everybody in the family had read them they were returned to be read by
the other family before disappearing I know not where, perhaps charity
sales or other rellies. As children, we owned books but mainly read from
school libraries. All of my Science Fiction reading came free from the
city library which also stocked paperbacks. Only one of my friends
shared this interest and he also owned no books. I have been a library
user until ebooks with the only paper SF books bought by me being
already read favourites from the library to be reread or referred to.
I would like to clear my non SF books which I will never read again but
am too lazy. I can not imagine owning over a thousand real books and
have no wish to do so.
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-18 00:13:42 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
That is indeed a point mentioned in the article.
- Tony
Whoops - I thought I hit "draft" while I looked it up, but instead I
"One in five Americans (20%) say they own between one and 10 physical
books, while 14% own between 11 and 25 books, and 13% between 26 and 50."
Tony
I thought I owned about 50 real books but after curiosity motivated a
count, I discovered I own 140 of which about 30 are of SF genre in a
separate bookcase in no particular order other than series/trilogies in
sequence. The children's books are together as are the 1960's FI and
Indianapolis racing books but the rest are a muddle. All are simply dust
collectors including the 30 SF favourites as they are duplicated as
ebooks using Calibre. When I finish reading a book, I delete it from the
Kindle on which I store books to be read, collections and some
non-fiction stuff. My understanding is that I do not legally own ebooks
on my PC in Calibre whose library system is suitable for me for 2000+
ebooks.
When I do enter the spare bedroom where the SF bookcase is, I do get a
small pleasure from speed reading the titles, a different experience to
reading a title in Calibre.
How many e books have you bought?
I do not know. I 'inherited' a large number with my first Kindle.
Initially I snaffled everything free I could find including Gutenburg.
I don't read anything online, but download it, convert to plain text and
open with Calibre to read on the Kindle. There might be 100 things
written by me. Overall I have over 2,000 items in the Calibre Library.
1 think I have had the Kindle for 9 years and have read 75 to a 100 pa
so perhaps I have 'bought' 6 to 700. Even the free books from Amazon
aren't really bought but actually just rented.
Post by Cryptoengineer
I (and I expect many of the regulars in this group) own well over a
thousand physical books. It was one of the hallmarks of an SF fan
until ebooks became viable.
I am not a fanatic as is Dimwire with his love of every young adult or
survivalist apology for SF. I think my first SF book after decades of
sporadic exposure, was Considerable Fleabites which I found amazing, (I
might have read it soon after almost losing the will to live from over a
million words in the dreadful In Rememberance Of Things Past.) It is the
only Ian M that I own although I have read all his novels, several more
than once and all from the library.
Post by Cryptoengineer
"I am a product of long corridors, empty sunlit rooms, upstairs indoor
silences, attics explored in solitude, distant noises of gurgling
cisterns and pipes, and the noise of wind under the tiles. Also, of
endless books. My father bought all the books he read and never got rid
of any of them. There were books in the study, books in the drawing
room, books in the cloakroom, books (two deep) in the great bookcase on
the landing, books in a bedroom, books piled as high as my shoulder in
the cistern attic...In the seemingly endless rainy afternoons I took
volume after volume from the shelves. I had always the same certainty of
finding a book that was new to me as a man who walks into a field has of
finding a new blade of grass."
 - CS Lewis
My father and uncle exchanged books at Christmas and birthdays. When
everybody in the family had read them they were returned to be read by
the other family before disappearing I know not where, perhaps charity
sales or other rellies. As children, we owned books but mainly read from
school libraries. All of my Science Fiction reading came free from the
city library which also stocked paperbacks. Only one of my friends
shared this interest and he also owned no books. I have been a library
user until ebooks with the only paper SF books bought by me being
already read favourites from the library to be reread or referred to.
I would like to clear my non SF books which I will never read again but
am too lazy. I can not imagine owning over a thousand real books and
have no wish to do so.
Different strokes....

BTW:

I just realized that the CS Lewis quite was slightly bowdlerized by
the source from which I cut it.

IIRC, the lacuna after 'cistern attic' originally contained:
"Books suitable for children, and books most emphatically not. None
were forbidden me."

pt
Ahasuerus
2024-07-15 17:25:05 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the author's
last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few thousand
books and completely unworkable for a collection that contains tens of
thousands of books.
BillGill
2024-07-16 13:19:20 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the author's
last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few thousand
books and completely unworkable for a collection that contains tens of
thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately? They do have
thousands of books. They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction. Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code. The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's. Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.

I have a large personal library which I have sorted into
3 general classifications, General Fiction, Science Fiction,
and non-fiction. The SF is the largest and the non-fiction
is by far the smallest.

Bill
Ahasuerus
2024-07-16 22:15:37 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]

It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
James Nicoll
2024-07-17 00:44:02 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I have several times discovered the easiest end of my shelves to
add more columns was on the far end away from where I wanted to
add books.
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BillGill
2024-07-17 13:37:31 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.

Bill
Michael F. Stemper
2024-07-17 15:47:15 UTC
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I'm don't understand what the problem is.  Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more?  If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room.  I have been known to do
that.  Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room.  I have been known to do that.
It's the Hilbert Hotel all over again.
--
Michael F. Stemper
Deuteronomy 10:18-19
Tony Nance
2024-07-19 22:15:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael F. Stemper
I'm don't understand what the problem is.  Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more?  If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room.  I have been known to do
that.  Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room.  I have been known to do that.
It's the Hilbert Hotel all over again.
Ha! Excellent.
Chris Buckley
2024-07-17 18:30:22 UTC
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Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!

My solution is (or was) to have a staging bookcase that all my new
books went on. So mostly just two places to look to locate specific
books. When the staging bookcase filled up every couple of years, I
would do a massive merge sort to shift my whole library and empty the
staging bookcase.

Now that I'm buying almost exclusively e-books, the staging bookcase has
been taken over by other special purpose shelves like manga. I would note
that I find it much harder to find my e-books to re-read than I did with
the physical books. The staging bookcase was nice for recently read good
books!

Chris
Ahasuerus
2024-07-17 23:06:51 UTC
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Post by Chris Buckley
Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]

Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.

Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Paul S Person
2024-07-18 16:58:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.

When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
Post by Ahasuerus
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-19 01:22:32 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.

pt
D
2024-07-19 09:30:42 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked —
shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who
sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
pt
I had 2 ikea bookshelves which worked beautifully. Sadly, since I'm
renting out my primary apartment, my book collection is mostly living in a
bunch of moving boxes in the attic.

But I'm building a new collection in my secondary apartment! =)
Ahasuerus
2024-07-19 12:52:52 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked —
shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some
who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases.
Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is.  Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more?  If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room.  I have been known to do
that.  Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room.  I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers).  When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
The "balanced mix of bindings" that I mentioned earlier helps.
Hardcovers do better on bottom shelves while mass market paperbacks can
be stacked all the way to the ceiling without causing any issues.
Paul S Person
2024-07-19 17:03:00 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked —
shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some
who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases.
Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is.  Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more?  If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room.  I have been known to do
that.  Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room.  I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers).  When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
The "balanced mix of bindings" that I mentioned earlier helps.
Hardcovers do better on bottom shelves while mass market paperbacks can
be stacked all the way to the ceiling without causing any issues.
True, true but I find the bottom shelves perfectly suited to general
non-fiction, as opposed to books I am more likely to need to remove
from the shelves to check something on. I have long had a small
problem bending down. I can do it, but I need to have a /reason/ to do
so.

Then again, /Hope in Time of Abandonment/, /White Supremacy/, and
/Inventing America: Jefferson's Declaration of Independence/ might be
worth a re-read. Not to mention all those non-fiction books by CS
Lewis.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Tony Nance
2024-07-19 22:23:25 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked —
shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some
who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases.
Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is.  Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more?  If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room.  I have been known to do
that.  Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room.  I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers).  When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
The "balanced mix of bindings" that I mentioned earlier helps.
Hardcovers do better on bottom shelves while mass market paperbacks can
be stacked all the way to the ceiling without causing any issues.
Indeed. I hadn't thought about this initially, and sure enough some of
the shelves were bending after some years. Two summers ago, I re-did my
book shelving/organization (including some minor culling of the herd). I
picked up some sturdy plastic shelving designed for automotive purposes
(parts, tools, etc), including 2-3 inches of elevation off the floor
(since these are in my basement), and then either put hardcovers on the
bottom shelves or short-stacked them nowhere near the middle/least
supported parts of the non-bottom shelves.

Tony
Paul S Person
2024-07-19 17:18:03 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 21:22:32 -0400, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
I, OTOH, used various assembly-required bookshelves using mystery wood
with laminate providing a nice-looking surface.

The last two were something of a disaster until I fixed them: these
were done a decade after the others and either I had lost my touch (I
have assembled a /lot/ of furniture, not just bookshelves, over the
years) or staples.com isn't the best source of these things.

What turned out to be happending was that the shelves were so loaded
that they assumed a "u" shape and the little retainers turned out to
be too short and came out. This, of course, would not do.

I ended up buying actual wood (Spruce and Pine, on three occasions as
the need appeared, whichever the lumber store was willing to sell me)
to hold the shelves up. This reduced the length of each shelf by 2"
(these were 1"x12"xvarious lengths when cut, 3'/4'/6' when sold), but
they are /very/ solid now.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Scott Lurndal
2024-07-19 17:45:29 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ahasuerus
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Provided, of course, that it (and each shelf) is able to bear the
weight.
When the shelves start curving into a "u", that is /not/ a good sign.
IMHO. YMMV.
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
It depends on the length of the shelf, the thickness of the shelf,
the species of wood, and the design of the shelf.

I wouldn't use pine for other reasons. Turpentine is a strong solvent.
The Horny Goat
2024-07-20 02:46:20 UTC
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On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 21:22:32 -0400, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
Way back when some well-wisher gifted my late wife a complete set of
Brittanicas from the 60s - she kept them on the bottom shelf (which
was a 3/4" thick piece of wood that sat on a concrete floor) just
outside this room which she then filled up with various boxes. Other
than my computer area and my bookshelves at the end of this room, I
haven't touched this room significantly in the 2 1/2 years since she
left us.
Ahasuerus
2024-07-20 20:23:25 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 21:22:32 -0400, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
Way back when some well-wisher gifted my late wife a complete set of
Brittanicas from the 60s - she kept them on the bottom shelf (which
was a 3/4" thick piece of wood that sat on a concrete floor) just
outside this room which she then filled up with various boxes. [snip]
Smart. Encyclopedia Britannica is a known bookshelf-killer.
Gary R. Schmidt
2024-07-21 11:53:22 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 21:22:32 -0400, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
Way back when some well-wisher gifted my late wife a complete set of
Brittanicas from the 60s - she kept them on the bottom shelf (which
was a 3/4" thick piece of wood that sat on a concrete floor) just
outside this room which she then filled up with various boxes. [snip]
Smart. Encyclopedia Britannica is a known bookshelf-killer.
I have a Funk & Wagnall's on the bottom of one of my bookshelves.

How many here remember, "Look it up in your Funk & Wagnall's?", or, "No,
not another chicken joke!". :-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-21 17:08:20 UTC
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Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 21:22:32 -0400, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
Way back when some well-wisher gifted my late wife a complete set of
Brittanicas from the 60s - she kept them on the bottom shelf (which
was a 3/4" thick piece of wood that sat on a concrete floor) just
outside this room which she then filled up with various boxes. [snip]
Smart. Encyclopedia Britannica is a known bookshelf-killer.
I have a Funk & Wagnall's on the bottom of one of my bookshelves.
Should have it in a mayonaise jar on your front porch..
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Don_from_AZ
2024-07-21 20:31:40 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 21:22:32 -0400, Cryptoengineer
Post by Cryptoengineer
I built my shelves from poplar, and have had no problems. Pine would be
a different matter.
Way back when some well-wisher gifted my late wife a complete set of
Brittanicas from the 60s - she kept them on the bottom shelf (which
was a 3/4" thick piece of wood that sat on a concrete floor) just
outside this room which she then filled up with various boxes. [snip]
Smart. Encyclopedia Britannica is a known bookshelf-killer.
I have a Funk & Wagnall's on the bottom of one of my bookshelves.
Should have it in a mayonaise jar on your front porch..
IIRC, the questions for "Carnac the Magnificent" were kept in a
mayonaise jar on *Funk & Wagnall's* porch, not one's own.
-Don-
The Horny Goat
2024-07-22 06:01:27 UTC
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On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:53:22 +1000, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
How many here remember, "Look it up in your Funk & Wagnall's?", or, "No,
not another chicken joke!". :-)
Yes I remember Rowan + Martin back in the day - I even watched the
Richard Nixon guest episode live back then and was a precocious enough
12 year old to know who he was. (My grandfather had run unsuccessfully
for the Canadian parliament in 1965 and 1968 so I started young as a
political junkie...)
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-22 18:55:29 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:53:22 +1000, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
How many here remember, "Look it up in your Funk & Wagnall's?", or, "No,
not another chicken joke!". :-)
Yes I remember Rowan + Martin back in the day - I even watched the
Richard Nixon guest episode live back then and was a precocious enough
12 year old to know who he was. (My grandfather had run unsuccessfully
for the Canadian parliament in 1965 and 1968 so I started young as a
political junkie...)
I caught a rerun of Laugh-In the other day. It seemed a little -
pedestrian by today's standards. The Gen-Z lady watching it with
me was boggled by R&M smoking cigarettes on-screen, blackface done
un-ironically, and absolutely enchanted by Tiny Tim.

pt
Scott Lurndal
2024-07-22 20:17:17 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by The Horny Goat
On Sun, 21 Jul 2024 21:53:22 +1000, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
How many here remember, "Look it up in your Funk & Wagnall's?", or, "No,
not another chicken joke!". :-)
Yes I remember Rowan + Martin back in the day - I even watched the
Richard Nixon guest episode live back then and was a precocious enough
12 year old to know who he was. (My grandfather had run unsuccessfully
for the Canadian parliament in 1965 and 1968 so I started young as a
political junkie...)
I caught a rerun of Laugh-In the other day. It seemed a little -
pedestrian by today's standards. The Gen-Z lady watching it with
me was boggled by R&M smoking cigarettes on-screen, blackface done
un-ironically, and absolutely enchanted by Tiny Tim.
Yeah, the reruns are fun, but tame by today's standards.

Ah, Goldie.
r***@rosettacondot.com
2024-07-19 16:25:01 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Chris Buckley
Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
As a general observation, the viability of various organizational
systems depends on the number of books to be organized. What works
reasonably well for a few hundred books -- e.g. sorting by the
author's last name -- may be problematic for a collection with a few
thousand books and completely unworkable for a collection that
contains tens of thousands of books.
Have you checked your local library lately?  They do have
thousands of books.  They use a system that separates the
books by class, first fiction and non-fiction.  Then
they separate the non-fiction according to the Dewey Decimal
Code.  The Fiction is separated into a number of sub
classifications, such as General Fiction, Mysteries,
Science Fiction, and of course Children's.  Then within
those categories they are sorted by the author's last
name.
[snip]
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
I'm don't understand what the problem is. Are you suggesting that
the books are packed in, so that there is no room to insert that
many more? If that is the case all you have to do is to move
books on down the shelves to make room. I have been known to do
that. Or, best case, build new shelves and spread the existing
books out to make room. I have been known to do that.
"All you have to do"?? I have 88 shelves of alphabetical by author
mass market sized sf paperbacks (probably another 7-8 shelves of sf
paperbacks sorted by other criteria such as anthologies, Star Trek,
and then my Favorite bookcase is mixed with hardcovers). When I
"discover" a "new" author like Elizabeth Bear and have to fit in another
10-15 'B' books, it poses a problem!
[snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? We're in the middle of an extended move with all of our books
boxed and either at the old house, the new house or in storage. There's no
particular order to them and I'd love to just shelve them for "best fit" and
have the software track their location. Ideally I'd like something that could
read the spines (a lot of the books predate UPC codes). We have 14 6-foot tall
bookcases, half with hardbacks and half with double-shelved paperbacks, so
manual entry would be a pain.

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com
Ahasuerus
2024-07-19 20:01:52 UTC
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Post by r***@rosettacondot.com
[snip-snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? [snip-snip]
Basic word processing software like Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer
or even Notepad scales up reasonably well. It doesn't support bar-code
based automation, but it's straightforward, flexible and compatible with
Kindle/other e-readers.

On the e-book side, Calibre (https://calibre-ebook.com/) is a very nice
tool. Perhaps the UI is not as polished as what a major company might be
able to do, but it's very powerful. It also comes with lots of useful
add-ons like FanFicFare, which lets you create (and automatically
update!) ebooks from Web serials hosted by RoyalRoad, SpaceBattles, AO3,
etc.
BillGill
2024-07-20 13:16:17 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by r***@rosettacondot.com
[snip-snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? [snip-snip]
Basic word processing software like Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer
or even Notepad scales up reasonably well. It doesn't support bar-code
based automation, but it's straightforward, flexible and compatible with
Kindle/other e-readers.
On the e-book side, Calibre (https://calibre-ebook.com/) is a very nice
tool. Perhaps the UI is not as polished as what a major company might be
able to do, but it's very powerful. It also comes with lots of useful
add-ons like FanFicFare, which lets you create (and automatically
update!) ebooks from Web serials hosted by RoyalRoad, SpaceBattles, AO3,
etc.
I have Calibre and it is a good program. The only problem
with it is that there is no longer any way to break the Kindle
coding, so it can't handle Kindle books. I do use it when I
digitize books, because it makes it easy to convert text from
a word processor to EPUB. Then it can be sent do any device
that has a program that can read EPUB (tablet, phone, or whatever).

Bill
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-20 15:38:22 UTC
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Post by BillGill
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by r***@rosettacondot.com
[snip-snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? [snip-snip]
Basic word processing software like Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer
or even Notepad scales up reasonably well. It doesn't support bar-code
based automation, but it's straightforward, flexible and compatible with
Kindle/other e-readers.
On the e-book side, Calibre (https://calibre-ebook.com/) is a very nice
tool. Perhaps the UI is not as polished as what a major company might be
able to do, but it's very powerful. It also comes with lots of useful
add-ons like FanFicFare, which lets you create (and automatically
update!) ebooks from Web serials hosted by RoyalRoad, SpaceBattles, AO3,
etc.
I have Calibre and it is a good program. The only problem
with it is that there is no longer any way to break the Kindle
coding, so it can't handle Kindle books. I do use it when I
digitize books, because it makes it easy to convert text from
a word processor to EPUB. Then it can be sent do any device
that has a program that can read EPUB (tablet, phone, or whatever).
Bill
It can certainly still break the coding for ".azw" & ".azw3", which my old
Kindle uses. I had not heard there were problems with newer ones.
However:

Buy the ebook.

From the "Manage Content & Devices" page, download it.
Say it is for your old kindle, even if you no longer have it.

Run the azw/azw3 through Calibre.

Voila.

Of course, this assumes you still have your original Kindle serial
etc in Calibre.

Fallback: Buy the ebook. Download the cracked version from "elsewhere"
and put it in Calibre.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
r***@rosettacondot.com
2024-07-20 21:38:16 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by r***@rosettacondot.com
[snip-snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? [snip-snip]
Basic word processing software like Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer
or even Notepad scales up reasonably well. It doesn't support bar-code
based automation, but it's straightforward, flexible and compatible with
Kindle/other e-readers.
I may give up and write my own. I really don't want to manually enter the
contents of 20 full-size bookcases.
Post by Ahasuerus
On the e-book side, Calibre (https://calibre-ebook.com/) is a very nice
tool. Perhaps the UI is not as polished as what a major company might be
able to do, but it's very powerful. It also comes with lots of useful
add-ons like FanFicFare, which lets you create (and automatically
update!) ebooks from Web serials hosted by RoyalRoad, SpaceBattles, AO3,
etc.
I like Calibre, although I miss the ability to back up my Amazon purchases.
(I've periodically tried, but the oldest functioning Kindle I have is a
10th generation Paperwhite and I've never been able to do it.)

Robert
--
Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com
Titus G
2024-07-21 01:59:34 UTC
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[snip-snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? [snip-snip]
Basic word processing software like Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer
or even Notepad scales up reasonably well. It doesn't support bar-code
based automation, but it's straightforward, flexible and compatible with
Kindle/other e-readers.
I may give up and write my own. I really don't want to manually enter the
contents of 20 full-size bookcases.
Post by Ahasuerus
On the e-book side, Calibre (https://calibre-ebook.com/) is a very nice
tool. Perhaps the UI is not as polished as what a major company might be
able to do, but it's very powerful. It also comes with lots of useful
add-ons like FanFicFare, which lets you create (and automatically
update!) ebooks from Web serials hosted by RoyalRoad, SpaceBattles, AO3,
etc.
I like Calibre, although I miss the ability to back up my Amazon purchases.
(I've periodically tried, but the oldest functioning Kindle I have is a
10th generation Paperwhite and I've never been able to do it.)
Robert
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
Paul S Person
2024-07-21 15:24:51 UTC
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Post by r***@rosettacondot.com
[snip-snip]
Indeed. I started using removable labels and word processor-based
catalogs some decades ago. As an added bonus, you can fit more books
into a bookcase if you separate hardcovers/trade paperbacks from mass
market paperbacks, then double-stack them. A balanced mix of bindings
can accommodate 700-800 books per bookcase.
Of course, e-books and e-readers have changed the equation over the last
10-20 years, but that's a whole different can of worms.
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? [snip-snip]
Basic word processing software like Microsoft Word, LibreOffice Writer
or even Notepad scales up reasonably well. It doesn't support bar-code
based automation, but it's straightforward, flexible and compatible with
Kindle/other e-readers.
I may give up and write my own. I really don't want to manually enter the
contents of 20 full-size bookcases.
Post by Ahasuerus
On the e-book side, Calibre (https://calibre-ebook.com/) is a very nice
tool. Perhaps the UI is not as polished as what a major company might be
able to do, but it's very powerful. It also comes with lots of useful
add-ons like FanFicFare, which lets you create (and automatically
update!) ebooks from Web serials hosted by RoyalRoad, SpaceBattles, AO3,
etc.
I like Calibre, although I miss the ability to back up my Amazon purchases.
(I've periodically tried, but the oldest functioning Kindle I have is a
10th generation Paperwhite and I've never been able to do it.)
Robert
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Scott Dorsey
2024-07-21 16:29:21 UTC
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Post by Titus G
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
This is great if you trust Amazon's long-term ability to keep providing
them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Paul S Person
2024-07-22 15:51:26 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
This is great if you trust Amazon's long-term ability to keep providing
them.
Actually, the idea is that you do this every time you buy one and then
move it somewhere Amazon can't find it and so can neither modify it
nor remove it. That still leaves DRM to be handled, of course, but I
keep reading about that not being unsolvable.

The last time I tried to actually copy a file to a Kindle, I found the
directory system hard to understand. I don't know where they are
supposed to go, but they can be found and used in what is clearly not
the intended location. Or could be, I think this was with my
now-replaced PaperWhite.

With the new Kindles, for a while, if I did the "download and
transfer" before having Amazon send it to the device [1] the device
would claim that, since I had copied it via USB, it was not synched
and never would synch. Rather a churlish attitude, but what can you
do?

[1] Which quite an adventure with the new Kindles: by default, they go
to sleep and so /cannot receive books/ until you turn them on and they
wake up. And even then it is possible to see a book, delivered to the
wrong one because of Amazon's no longer allowing you to choose where
it is to go when you buy it (at least they stopped asking where you
wanted it to go and then sending it wherever /they/ decided was your
default), on the device and not be able to get the "Manage Content and
Devices" page to recognize that it is there and so cause it to be
removed. Chewing gum and baling wire, /that's/ what Amazon's support
of this feature is made of.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-22 16:35:46 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
This is great if you trust Amazon's long-term ability to keep providing
them.
Actually, the idea is that you do this every time you buy one and then
move it somewhere Amazon can't find it and so can neither modify it
nor remove it. That still leaves DRM to be handled, of course, but I
keep reading about that not being unsolvable.
The last time I tried to actually copy a file to a Kindle, I found the
directory system hard to understand. I don't know where they are
supposed to go, but they can be found and used in what is clearly not
the intended location. Or could be, I think this was with my
now-replaced PaperWhite.
With the new Kindles, for a while, if I did the "download and
transfer" before having Amazon send it to the device [1] the device
would claim that, since I had copied it via USB, it was not synched
and never would synch. Rather a churlish attitude, but what can you
do?
[1] Which quite an adventure with the new Kindles: by default, they go
to sleep and so /cannot receive books/ until you turn them on and they
wake up. And even then it is possible to see a book, delivered to the
wrong one because of Amazon's no longer allowing you to choose where
it is to go when you buy it (at least they stopped asking where you
wanted it to go and then sending it wherever /they/ decided was your
default), on the device and not be able to get the "Manage Content and
Devices" page to recognize that it is there and so cause it to be
removed. Chewing gum and baling wire, /that's/ what Amazon's support
of this feature is made of.
--
Alternatively to putting an ebook file into the "documents" folder
when the kindle is attached by USB, there is an email address associated
with every kindle to which you can mail an ebook as an attachment and
have it appear automagically.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Paul S Person
2024-07-23 15:50:25 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
This is great if you trust Amazon's long-term ability to keep providing
them.
Actually, the idea is that you do this every time you buy one and then
move it somewhere Amazon can't find it and so can neither modify it
nor remove it. That still leaves DRM to be handled, of course, but I
keep reading about that not being unsolvable.
The last time I tried to actually copy a file to a Kindle, I found the
directory system hard to understand. I don't know where they are
supposed to go, but they can be found and used in what is clearly not
the intended location. Or could be, I think this was with my
now-replaced PaperWhite.
With the new Kindles, for a while, if I did the "download and
transfer" before having Amazon send it to the device [1] the device
would claim that, since I had copied it via USB, it was not synched
and never would synch. Rather a churlish attitude, but what can you
do?
[1] Which quite an adventure with the new Kindles: by default, they go
to sleep and so /cannot receive books/ until you turn them on and they
wake up. And even then it is possible to see a book, delivered to the
wrong one because of Amazon's no longer allowing you to choose where
it is to go when you buy it (at least they stopped asking where you
wanted it to go and then sending it wherever /they/ decided was your
default), on the device and not be able to get the "Manage Content and
Devices" page to recognize that it is there and so cause it to be
removed. Chewing gum and baling wire, /that's/ what Amazon's support
of this feature is made of.
--
Alternatively to putting an ebook file into the "documents" folder
when the kindle is attached by USB, there is an email address associated
with every kindle to which you can mail an ebook as an attachment and
have it appear automagically.
Provided it isn't sleeping, of course.

I've never tried it so I have no idea how well it works.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-23 18:08:52 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
This is great if you trust Amazon's long-term ability to keep providing
them.
Actually, the idea is that you do this every time you buy one and then
move it somewhere Amazon can't find it and so can neither modify it
nor remove it. That still leaves DRM to be handled, of course, but I
keep reading about that not being unsolvable.
The last time I tried to actually copy a file to a Kindle, I found the
directory system hard to understand. I don't know where they are
supposed to go, but they can be found and used in what is clearly not
the intended location. Or could be, I think this was with my
now-replaced PaperWhite.
With the new Kindles, for a while, if I did the "download and
transfer" before having Amazon send it to the device [1] the device
would claim that, since I had copied it via USB, it was not synched
and never would synch. Rather a churlish attitude, but what can you
do?
[1] Which quite an adventure with the new Kindles: by default, they go
to sleep and so /cannot receive books/ until you turn them on and they
wake up. And even then it is possible to see a book, delivered to the
wrong one because of Amazon's no longer allowing you to choose where
it is to go when you buy it (at least they stopped asking where you
wanted it to go and then sending it wherever /they/ decided was your
default), on the device and not be able to get the "Manage Content and
Devices" page to recognize that it is there and so cause it to be
removed. Chewing gum and baling wire, /that's/ what Amazon's support
of this feature is made of.
--
Alternatively to putting an ebook file into the "documents" folder
when the kindle is attached by USB, there is an email address associated
with every kindle to which you can mail an ebook as an attachment and
have it appear automagically.
Provided it isn't sleeping, of course.
I've never tried it so I have no idea how well it works.
It doesn't matter if it's sleeping. The document will be queued the
next time you connect to the Internet.

I've only done it a few times, but works OK. It will automagically
convert formats as well.

https://www.amazon.com/sendtokindle/email
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Paul S Person
2024-07-24 17:11:23 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
You probably don't need to back up Amazon purchases as you can download
them again for no cost. (I haven't done that for years and years but
when I lost a hard disk once, it was a simple task to reload them Amazon
using "Kindle for PC".)
If you need to back up individual books, then do a web search for DeDRM
Calibre Kindle (or maybe Amazon).
The "Manage Content and Devices" Page (can't find it? Pull up "Returns
and Orders", go to "Digital Orders" and find an eBook; the button
should be the right) can download files for transfer by USB. You have
to designate which device you are planning to use it on, but it
downloads to Download and from there it can be moved ... anywhere.
This is great if you trust Amazon's long-term ability to keep providing
them.
Actually, the idea is that you do this every time you buy one and then
move it somewhere Amazon can't find it and so can neither modify it
nor remove it. That still leaves DRM to be handled, of course, but I
keep reading about that not being unsolvable.
The last time I tried to actually copy a file to a Kindle, I found the
directory system hard to understand. I don't know where they are
supposed to go, but they can be found and used in what is clearly not
the intended location. Or could be, I think this was with my
now-replaced PaperWhite.
With the new Kindles, for a while, if I did the "download and
transfer" before having Amazon send it to the device [1] the device
would claim that, since I had copied it via USB, it was not synched
and never would synch. Rather a churlish attitude, but what can you
do?
[1] Which quite an adventure with the new Kindles: by default, they go
to sleep and so /cannot receive books/ until you turn them on and they
wake up. And even then it is possible to see a book, delivered to the
wrong one because of Amazon's no longer allowing you to choose where
it is to go when you buy it (at least they stopped asking where you
wanted it to go and then sending it wherever /they/ decided was your
default), on the device and not be able to get the "Manage Content and
Devices" page to recognize that it is there and so cause it to be
removed. Chewing gum and baling wire, /that's/ what Amazon's support
of this feature is made of.
--
Alternatively to putting an ebook file into the "documents" folder
when the kindle is attached by USB, there is an email address associated
with every kindle to which you can mail an ebook as an attachment and
have it appear automagically.
Provided it isn't sleeping, of course.
I've never tried it so I have no idea how well it works.
It doesn't matter if it's sleeping. The document will be queued the
next time you connect to the Internet.
It does to me. I like to visually confirm a book's arrival regardless
of how it is received.
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I've only done it a few times, but works OK. It will automagically
convert formats as well.
https://www.amazon.com/sendtokindle/email
IIRC, when my DSL vanished and my optic fibers hadn't been connected
yet, I tried to move a book, downloaded set for one device, to the
other device -- and it didn't work.

I suspect the reality is that, when you move a book to a device (I was
doing it by USB, so it couldn't have been done, or rather not done,
anywhere else), the receiving /device/ does the conversion, but only
if it can find the proper server. But I agree that "automagically"
describes the experience.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Paul S Person
2024-07-20 15:54:52 UTC
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Post by r***@rosettacondot.com
Hijacking the thread...
What software do you (or anyone else reading this) use to organize your
collection? We're in the middle of an extended move with all of our books
boxed and either at the old house, the new house or in storage. There's no
particular order to them and I'd love to just shelve them for "best fit" and
have the software track their location. Ideally I'd like something that could
read the spines (a lot of the books predate UPC codes). We have 14 6-foot tall
bookcases, half with hardbacks and half with double-shelved paperbacks, so
manual entry would be a pain.
I use a Home Database program (cunningly named "Everything I Own") to
record the basic data and a spreadsheet for information that may need
multiple values (such as genre).

The advantage of the spreadheet is that the entire title can fit in
one cell (the database uses fixed-width fields except for one blob,
which cannot be searched); the advantage of the database is that it
can be sorted on each fixed-field column [1] (a spreadsheet is
terribly easy to destroy by not including all columns in a search).

Manual entry is a pain for many people, I suspect -- I wouldn't know
because I actually /enjoy/ it. My favorite job involved a lot of what
I called "complex data entry". My brother, OTOH, wiped out his
database and gave up on rebuilding it book by book. So whatever
solution you come up with, frequent backups to something other than
the hard drive the original is on are highly recommended.

As to the scanning bit ... I suppose in theory scanning the spines and
using OCD might work. Provided, of course, that all spines have the
info you with to obtain. And that the OCD software can identify each
bit (distinguish, for example, between Author and Title so you don't
end up with an entry for /J.R.R. Tolkien/ written by The Hobbit).
Otherwise, you are likely to be spending as much time telling the OCD
which is the title and which is the author and then correcting the
result as you would have spent typing it in.

There used to be such things as paper, usually with "Ex Libris" and a
name printed in an impressive typeface on one side, that you could
glue into each volume. I wonder if an RFID tag containing the author
and title (and other info as desired) and then scanned like any other
RFID could be created. Of course, manual entry would be required to
set this up as well.

Of course, you don't have to type everything: finding it on the
Internet and using copy-and-paste would save a bit of time. Provided
the person/OCD that produced the text on the Internet got it right, of
course.

So I think the short answer is: physical reality is tough, and working
with it is tougher. Pre-planning is good, but the work still has to be
done and, yes, it will take a while.

Of course, you could always hire it done, I suppose. Probably cost a
lot, but at least you would be able to do other things.

[1] EIO can also restrict the display to records matching a range of
values on one of the fields, and then sort within that result by the
various fields. This is, no doubt, standard behavior for these
programs.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
The Horny Goat
2024-07-20 02:39:53 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
My own SF books are randomly but grouping all by a particular author
together. Thus a one hit wonder can take a LONG time to find...but
that's what I do with other works in my collection: Solzhenitsyn,
Churchill, 300+ chess books.

(And mostly, though she died 2 1/2 years ago I haven't tried to
'attack' my late wife's shelves which have at least 200+ themselves)
D
2024-07-20 09:24:09 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
Post by Ahasuerus
It's a viable system for certain types of use cases. Unfortunately, any
system that sorts books "by the author's last name" comes with inherent
limitations. Suppose you have N bookcases dedicated to authors whose
last name starts with an "H". Everything is fine as long as your library
is static or close to it. Then you discover that you absolutely love D.
K. Holmberg (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?200173) and/or Nathan
Hystad (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?249647) -- to pick two
random prolific authors -- and suddenly you have a problem.
My own SF books are randomly but grouping all by a particular author
together. Thus a one hit wonder can take a LONG time to find...but
that's what I do with other works in my collection: Solzhenitsyn,
Churchill, 300+ chess books.
(And mostly, though she died 2 1/2 years ago I haven't tried to
'attack' my late wife's shelves which have at least 200+ themselves)
I have a binary system. My favourites and the rest. My favourites go into
one corner, and then there's the rest. The disadvantage is that sometimes
I buy a book I already own, but the good ones I can locate in the
favourites corner.

Oh, and I do have an academic section as well with favourites from my
university days as well as economics and philosophy books.
The Horny Goat
2024-07-17 02:36:45 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I could read the link, I suppose, but I wonder how many people actually
have a sufficient number of books such that they need to be organized.
Both myself and my late wife were great book collectors - we have a
series of those 8' high bookshelves (4 rows per shelf - 3 for me 4 for
her) plus I also have another 15' of shelves as the divider that
separates my computer area from the rest of what we used to call 'the
playroom' when our kids were little. That room is a mess right now and
since her passing I've promised myself I'm going to clear out
everything out of the middle of the room (the bookshelves line the
walls) but somehow haven't gotten around to it. (Besides those shelves
she also had/has 2 shelves that size in our bedroom - the joys of
being both a bibliophile AND our former church librarian...)

Our kids (now mid-30s) are also readers but not nearly to the scale of
their parents...
Paul S Person
2024-07-15 16:01:39 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I'm sure it makes for a pleasing display.

Particularly if, recognizing that they are trade paperbacks with the
type of binding guaranteed to crack if anyone dares /read/ the book,
they are left unread.

The survey is fine, but reality can be rather more complicated.

I could, for example, say that my basic sort is fiction/nonfiction
with topical subcategories as needed. Thus, my comic strip/graphic
novels are a topical subcategory of fiction, and language aids
(dictionaries, grammars, books purchased for the purpose of reading
them in their original language) are a topical subcategory of
nonfiction. And further subdivisions exist, with "by Author/Title"
often being one with, as in the case of (for example) CJ Cherryh, one
or more "series" subdivisions.

And then there is the JRRT collection, containing the novels and the
Silmarilion and so on and The History of Middle Earth and the The
History of the Hobbit and a lot of smaller works plus books of his
artwork and maps/guides. Fact? Fiction? Both? Neither? Who can say?

(This might seem obvious, but HOME is about how JRRT wrote his works,
and so "nonfiction" as such but contains what he wrote (at various
stages) which is generally regarded as "fiction". And so it goes.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
James Nicoll
2024-07-15 16:23:26 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
I am extremely grateful that I organized my library as a kid, when I
had only a few hundred books, rather than leaving to when I had thousands.
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Charles Packer
2024-07-16 07:57:51 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-
americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
Then there are people who heard about this, evidently,
and tried it out.
https://wapo.st/463w5h9
Paul S Person
2024-07-16 15:28:04 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-
americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
Then there are people who heard about this, evidently,
and tried it out.
https://wapo.st/463w5h9
It's guarded by a dragon. Even being referred by "a WaPo reader" isn't
enough, it wants /my/ email for "free" viewing.

Here's a clue, WaPo: if I have to give you something to get something,
it ain't free.
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"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Charles Packer
2024-07-17 07:47:52 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-
americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
Then there are people who heard about this, evidently,
and tried it out.
https://wapo.st/463w5h9
It's guarded by a dragon. Even being referred by "a WaPo reader" isn't
enough, it wants /my/ email for "free" viewing.
Sorry about that. I'm not surprised, though, the Post is more
aggressive about pushing ads on its own subscribers than is the
New York Times.
Post by Paul S Person
Here's a clue, WaPo: if I have to give you something to get something,
it ain't free.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-17 15:40:19 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked!
—
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who
sort
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-
americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
Then there are people who heard about this, evidently,
and tried it out.
https://wapo.st/463w5h9
It's guarded by a dragon. Even being referred by "a WaPo reader" isn't
enough, it wants /my/ email for "free" viewing.
Sorry about that. I'm not surprised, though, the Post is more
aggressive about pushing ads on its own subscribers than is the
New York Times.
Post by Paul S Person
Here's a clue, WaPo: if I have to give you something to get something,
it ain't free.
You can get around many (not all) paywalls by going to "archive.is"
and plugging in the URL you are interested in. If they don't already
have it, you can request it be archived, which, if it works, probably takes
two or three minutes.

The page for the WP url above is:

https://archive.is/HYK1b
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
Paul S Person
2024-07-18 17:13:43 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:57:51 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked!
—
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who
sort
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Tony Nance
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-
americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
Then there are people who heard about this, evidently,
and tried it out.
https://wapo.st/463w5h9
It's guarded by a dragon. Even being referred by "a WaPo reader" isn't
enough, it wants /my/ email for "free" viewing.
Sorry about that. I'm not surprised, though, the Post is more
aggressive about pushing ads on its own subscribers than is the
New York Times.
Post by Paul S Person
Here's a clue, WaPo: if I have to give you something to get something,
it ain't free.
You can get around many (not all) paywalls by going to "archive.is"
and plugging in the URL you are interested in. If they don't already
have it, you can request it be archived, which, if it works, probably takes
two or three minutes.
https://archive.is/HYK1b
Thanks for the link. It was .. amusing.

Definitely /not/ work giving an email for, though.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
BillGill
2024-07-16 13:12:22 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
I don't know who it might be, but one time I went into
a used book store. They had a shelf by the checkout
that was marked 'Sold'. The books were matching volumes
that would have made great decor, but didn't look at
all like anything anybody would read.

Bill
Lynn McGuire
2024-07-17 00:34:36 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
I just ran across the results of a poll that asked 29,000 Americans
about their book-owning habits, and friends, I am shocked — shocked! —
to report that there are people who have absolutely no organizational
system whatsoever. Worse — worse, I tell you — there are some who sort
their books by color. Color!
https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/47712-how-many-books-americans-own-and-how-they-organize-them
Tony
Right now, I have about 2/3rds of my 4,000 books in the garage in 30 odd
cardboard boxes. There are about a thousand or so books in two
bookshelves in my bedroom that I have read in the last five years. Then
I have the bookshelf of my SBR (strategic book reserve) of my 400 to 500
books waiting to be read. Plus the 50 books on my nightstand. Finding
any specific book can take quite a while as nothing is sorted.

I am negotiating with my wife about bringing in another bookshelf from
the garage for our bedroom. The negotiation is not going well even
though our bedroom is 16 feet by 25 feet. I also have my 55 inch tv and
a computer desk in there.

Lynn
Joy Beeson
2024-07-30 14:42:12 UTC
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I sort my books by category: Antique & rare books, old books, history
and books kept for historical reasons, medicine & health & gardening &
cycling & stuff like that there, astronomy, whatever is behind the
wooden doors on the bottom barristers, children's books, and, on the
mezzanine shelf in the halway, paperbacks, mostly F&SF, mostly
alphabetical by author.

Who knows how many books I have, but it isn't a lot.
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joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
Robert Woodward
2024-07-30 17:15:00 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
I sort my books by category: Antique & rare books, old books, history
and books kept for historical reasons, medicine & health & gardening &
cycling & stuff like that there, astronomy, whatever is behind the
wooden doors on the bottom barristers, children's books, and, on the
mezzanine shelf in the halway, paperbacks, mostly F&SF, mostly
alphabetical by author.
Who knows how many books I have, but it isn't a lot.
I have been accumulating books since May 1973 (when I became employed,
moved to another state and set up house). I started out buying free
standing shelves (until Sears stop carrying the type I wanted) and then
bought bookcases (BTW, I moved 3 times during this, into ever bigger
places). At the start, new books were in various stacks until read, then
placed onto shelves. SF magazines went on shelves as well (until I start
putting old ones in boxes). Besides new stuff, I was buying back issues
of various SF magazines at used bookstores (all the way back to the pulp
days in the 30s and 40s - lots of early 1950s digests as well); these
mostly were stored in boxes (and are still there).

Currently, I have thousands of books, the unread ones are in bookcases
(3 for hardcovers, 2 for paperbacks and 1 for trade paperbacks - novels
and collections sorted by author, with anthologies at the end). As for
books I have read, the hardcover novels and collections are sorted by
author and title (except for series which are in series order).
Hardcover anthologies are on the shelves after that. Paperbacks are
sorted into several groups: science fiction novels and collections,
sorted by author and title (series excepted again); fantasy novels and
collections by author and title (series excepted); paperback editions of
original anthologies by title; and paperback editions of reprint
anthologies by title.

Most of my SF magazines are in boxes; only Asimov's and F&SF are
complete on shelves with Astounding/Analog from 1949 on.
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Bobbie Sellers
2024-08-08 06:06:14 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
I sort my books by category: Antique & rare books, old books, history
and books kept for historical reasons, medicine & health & gardening &
cycling & stuff like that there, astronomy, whatever is behind the
wooden doors on the bottom barristers, children's books, and, on the
mezzanine shelf in the halway, paperbacks, mostly F&SF, mostly
alphabetical by author.
Who knows how many books I have, but it isn't a lot.
I have been accumulating books since May 1973 (when I became employed,
moved to another state and set up house). I started out buying free
standing shelves (until Sears stop carrying the type I wanted) and then
bought bookcases (BTW, I moved 3 times during this, into ever bigger
places). At the start, new books were in various stacks until read, then
placed onto shelves. SF magazines went on shelves as well (until I start
putting old ones in boxes). Besides new stuff, I was buying back issues
of various SF magazines at used bookstores (all the way back to the pulp
days in the 30s and 40s - lots of early 1950s digests as well); these
mostly were stored in boxes (and are still there).
Currently, I have thousands of books, the unread ones are in bookcases
(3 for hardcovers, 2 for paperbacks and 1 for trade paperbacks - novels
and collections sorted by author, with anthologies at the end). As for
books I have read, the hardcover novels and collections are sorted by
author and title (except for series which are in series order).
Hardcover anthologies are on the shelves after that. Paperbacks are
sorted into several groups: science fiction novels and collections,
sorted by author and title (series excepted again); fantasy novels and
collections by author and title (series excepted); paperback editions of
original anthologies by title; and paperback editions of reprint
anthologies by title.
Most of my SF magazines are in boxes; only Asimov's and F&SF are
complete on shelves with Astounding/Analog from 1949 on.
Well I would have a more extensive collection is I lived in
other than a Studio apartment. But i am pretty certain that I
have several thousands of books and few hundred of those
are manga which I got into after getting into anime about
26 years ago. I do not think that I would have room for
all my books covering a great variety of subjects if I lined
my apartment with appropriate book cases. I would have more
but for two things. While I served in the Military my dearest
mother put my LOTR original imports out in a leaky garage..
That was traumatic for me because she had books from her
childhood so I thought she knew better how to care for
such.
Later I sold them to get rid of the weight on my
3rd or 4th Apartment move in San Francisco. Then I had
to save a lot of money to complete a project dear to my
heart and stopped all my subscriptions to SF magazines
and once free of the addiction did not pick it up until
the Covid-19 Restrictions in San Francisco went into place.
They had to close the public library and sanitize every
volume. I used my computer to reserve books and then
when I got an email that my reserved books were ready
go down and pick them up but at first they were just
totally closed. For a while I could get Analog,
Fantasy & SF and Azimov's SF at a shop that
eventually closed due to loss of business due to the
Pandemic.
But i decide long ago to store most of the books I
would read at the at the SF Public Library-main. I still
have a lot of books that I bought before my saving spree.
If I live long enough I will get the junk out
of my apartment and maybe build or have build plenty of
bookcases ana line them up by subject if non-fiction
or genre. At one point in the Pandemic U was ub a
drug store and bought a Lynsay Sands book "Mile High
with a Vampire" which was the first paperback I bought
aside from manga in years. I try to avoid buying
books because when I bring them home no shelf is open
for them. That is one of the better Sands books by
the way. And a sequel to a previous volume

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