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"Thora's Sacrifice (Perry Rhodan #70)" by Kurt Brand
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Lynn McGuire
2024-08-24 18:55:25 UTC
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"Thora's Sacrifice (Perry Rhodan #70)" by Kurt Brand
https://www.amazon.com/Thoras-Sacrifice-Perry-Rhodan-70/dp/B000LV97UM/

Book number seventy of a series of one hundred and thirty-six space
opera books in English. The original German books, actually pamphlets,
number in the thousands. The English books started with two translated
German stories per book translated by Wendayne Ackerman and transitioned
to one story per book with the sixth book. And then they transition
back to two stories in book #109/110. The Ace publisher dropped out at
#118, so Forrest and Wendayne Ackerman published books #119 to #136 in
pamphlets before stopping in 1978. The German books were written from
1961 to present time, having sold two billion copies and even recently
been rebooted again. I read the well printed and well bound book
published by Ace in 1975 that I had to be very careful with due to age.
I bought an almost complete box of Perry Rhodans a decade or two ago on
ebay that I am finally getting to since I lost my original Perry Rhodans
in The Great Flood of 1989. In fact, I now own book #1 to book #106,
plus the Atlan books, and some of the Lemuria books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan

BTW, this is actually book number 78 of the German pamphlets written in
1963. There is a very good explanation of the plot in German on the
Perrypedia German website of all of the PR books. There is automatic
Google translation available for English, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese,
French, and Portuguese.
https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Thoras_Opfergang

In this alternate universe, USSF Major Perry Rhodan and his three fellow
astronauts blasted off in a three stage rocket to the Moon in their
1971. The first stage of the rocket was chemical, the second and third
stages were nuclear. After crashing on the Moon due to a strange radio
interference, they discover a massive crashed alien spaceship with an
aged male scientist (Khrest), a female commander (Thora), and a crew of
500. It has been over seventy years since then and the Solar Empire has
flourished with tens of millions of people and many spaceships
headquartered in the Gobi desert, the city of Terrania. Perry Rhodan
has been elected by the people of Earth to be the World Administrator
and keep them from being taken over by the robot administrator of Arkon.

Thora the Arkonide, now Thora Rhodan and mother of their child, is dying
of old age. Perry was given immortality by the Immortal several decades
ago but, the Immortal refused to give Arkonides Khrest and Thora
immortality since they were a dying race. Perry Rhodan has General
Deringhouse take Thora with him on the Burma, a 100 meter (100 yards)
diameter spaceship, to the Arkon star system to negotiate with the Robot
Regent of Arkon for more star ships to fight the Druufs with. But the
Robot Regent does not want to negotiate.

Two observations:
1. Forrest Ackerman should have put two or three of the translated
stories in each book. Having two stories in the first five books worked
out well. Just having one story in the book is too short and would
never allow the translated books to catch up to the German originals.
2. Anyone liking Perry Rhodan and wanting a more up to date story should
read the totally awesome "Mutineer's Moon" Dahak series of three books
by David Weber.
https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/

My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 5 out of 5 stars (1 reviews)

Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-08-24 19:11:44 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"Thora's Sacrifice (Perry Rhodan #70)" by Kurt Brand
https://www.amazon.com/Thoras-Sacrifice-Perry-Rhodan-70/dp/B000LV97UM/
Book number seventy of a series of one hundred and thirty-six space
opera books in English. The original German books, actually pamphlets,
number in the thousands. The English books started with two translated
German stories per book translated by Wendayne Ackerman and transitioned
to one story per book with the sixth book. And then they transition
back to two stories in book #109/110. The Ace publisher dropped out at
#118, so Forrest and Wendayne Ackerman published books #119 to #136 in
pamphlets before stopping in 1978. The German books were written from
1961 to present time, having sold two billion copies and even recently
been rebooted again. I read the well printed and well bound book
published by Ace in 1975 that I had to be very careful with due to age.
I bought an almost complete box of Perry Rhodans a decade or two ago on
ebay that I am finally getting to since I lost my original Perry Rhodans
in The Great Flood of 1989. In fact, I now own book #1 to book #106,
plus the Atlan books, and some of the Lemuria books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan
BTW, this is actually book number 78 of the German pamphlets written in
1963. There is a very good explanation of the plot in German on the
Perrypedia German website of all of the PR books. There is automatic
Google translation available for English, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese,
French, and Portuguese.
https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Thoras_Opfergang
In this alternate universe, USSF Major Perry Rhodan and his three fellow
astronauts blasted off in a three stage rocket to the Moon in their
1971. The first stage of the rocket was chemical, the second and third
stages were nuclear. After crashing on the Moon due to a strange radio
interference, they discover a massive crashed alien spaceship with an
aged male scientist (Khrest), a female commander (Thora), and a crew of
500. It has been over seventy years since then and the Solar Empire has
flourished with tens of millions of people and many spaceships
headquartered in the Gobi desert, the city of Terrania. Perry Rhodan
has been elected by the people of Earth to be the World Administrator
and keep them from being taken over by the robot administrator of Arkon.
Thora the Arkonide, now Thora Rhodan and mother of their child, is dying
of old age. Perry was given immortality by the Immortal several decades
ago but, the Immortal refused to give Arkonides Khrest and Thora
immortality since they were a dying race. Perry Rhodan has General
Deringhouse take Thora with him on the Burma, a 100 meter (100 yards)
diameter spaceship, to the Arkon star system to negotiate with the Robot
Regent of Arkon for more star ships to fight the Druufs with. But the
Robot Regent does not want to negotiate.
1. Forrest Ackerman should have put two or three of the translated
stories in each book. Having two stories in the first five books worked
out well. Just having one story in the book is too short and would
never allow the translated books to catch up to the German originals.
2. Anyone liking Perry Rhodan and wanting a more up to date story should
read the totally awesome "Mutineer's Moon" Dahak series of three books
by David Weber.
https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 5 out of 5 stars (1 reviews)
Lynn
I think this and the Thomas Cardiff arc are where I really started notcing
that the series wasn't written with American expectations in mind.
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Lynn McGuire
2024-08-24 19:24:39 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"Thora's Sacrifice (Perry Rhodan #70)" by Kurt Brand
https://www.amazon.com/Thoras-Sacrifice-Perry-Rhodan-70/dp/B000LV97UM/
Book number seventy of a series of one hundred and thirty-six space
opera books in English. The original German books, actually pamphlets,
number in the thousands. The English books started with two translated
German stories per book translated by Wendayne Ackerman and transitioned
to one story per book with the sixth book. And then they transition
back to two stories in book #109/110. The Ace publisher dropped out at
#118, so Forrest and Wendayne Ackerman published books #119 to #136 in
pamphlets before stopping in 1978. The German books were written from
1961 to present time, having sold two billion copies and even recently
been rebooted again. I read the well printed and well bound book
published by Ace in 1975 that I had to be very careful with due to age.
I bought an almost complete box of Perry Rhodans a decade or two ago on
ebay that I am finally getting to since I lost my original Perry Rhodans
in The Great Flood of 1989. In fact, I now own book #1 to book #106,
plus the Atlan books, and some of the Lemuria books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan
BTW, this is actually book number 78 of the German pamphlets written in
1963. There is a very good explanation of the plot in German on the
Perrypedia German website of all of the PR books. There is automatic
Google translation available for English, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese,
French, and Portuguese.
https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Thoras_Opfergang
In this alternate universe, USSF Major Perry Rhodan and his three fellow
astronauts blasted off in a three stage rocket to the Moon in their
1971. The first stage of the rocket was chemical, the second and third
stages were nuclear. After crashing on the Moon due to a strange radio
interference, they discover a massive crashed alien spaceship with an
aged male scientist (Khrest), a female commander (Thora), and a crew of
500. It has been over seventy years since then and the Solar Empire has
flourished with tens of millions of people and many spaceships
headquartered in the Gobi desert, the city of Terrania. Perry Rhodan
has been elected by the people of Earth to be the World Administrator
and keep them from being taken over by the robot administrator of Arkon.
Thora the Arkonide, now Thora Rhodan and mother of their child, is dying
of old age. Perry was given immortality by the Immortal several decades
ago but, the Immortal refused to give Arkonides Khrest and Thora
immortality since they were a dying race. Perry Rhodan has General
Deringhouse take Thora with him on the Burma, a 100 meter (100 yards)
diameter spaceship, to the Arkon star system to negotiate with the Robot
Regent of Arkon for more star ships to fight the Druufs with. But the
Robot Regent does not want to negotiate.
1. Forrest Ackerman should have put two or three of the translated
stories in each book. Having two stories in the first five books worked
out well. Just having one story in the book is too short and would
never allow the translated books to catch up to the German originals.
2. Anyone liking Perry Rhodan and wanting a more up to date story should
read the totally awesome "Mutineer's Moon" Dahak series of three books
by David Weber.
https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 5 out of 5 stars (1 reviews)
Lynn
I think this and the Thomas Cardiff arc are where I really started notcing
that the series wasn't written with American expectations in mind.
Do you mean where everything is not a success ?

Yup, there are definitely tragedies in the Perry Rhodan series.

Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-08-24 19:37:20 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Thora's Sacrifice (Perry Rhodan #70)" by Kurt Brand
https://www.amazon.com/Thoras-Sacrifice-Perry-Rhodan-70/dp/B000LV97UM/
Book number seventy of a series of one hundred and thirty-six space
opera books in English. The original German books, actually pamphlets,
number in the thousands. The English books started with two translated
German stories per book translated by Wendayne Ackerman and transitioned
to one story per book with the sixth book. And then they transition
back to two stories in book #109/110. The Ace publisher dropped out at
#118, so Forrest and Wendayne Ackerman published books #119 to #136 in
pamphlets before stopping in 1978. The German books were written from
1961 to present time, having sold two billion copies and even recently
been rebooted again. I read the well printed and well bound book
published by Ace in 1975 that I had to be very careful with due to age.
I bought an almost complete box of Perry Rhodans a decade or two ago on
ebay that I am finally getting to since I lost my original Perry Rhodans
in The Great Flood of 1989. In fact, I now own book #1 to book #106,
plus the Atlan books, and some of the Lemuria books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan
BTW, this is actually book number 78 of the German pamphlets written in
1963. There is a very good explanation of the plot in German on the
Perrypedia German website of all of the PR books. There is automatic
Google translation available for English, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese,
French, and Portuguese.
https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Thoras_Opfergang
In this alternate universe, USSF Major Perry Rhodan and his three fellow
astronauts blasted off in a three stage rocket to the Moon in their
1971. The first stage of the rocket was chemical, the second and third
stages were nuclear. After crashing on the Moon due to a strange radio
interference, they discover a massive crashed alien spaceship with an
aged male scientist (Khrest), a female commander (Thora), and a crew of
500. It has been over seventy years since then and the Solar Empire has
flourished with tens of millions of people and many spaceships
headquartered in the Gobi desert, the city of Terrania. Perry Rhodan
has been elected by the people of Earth to be the World Administrator
and keep them from being taken over by the robot administrator of Arkon.
Thora the Arkonide, now Thora Rhodan and mother of their child, is dying
of old age. Perry was given immortality by the Immortal several decades
ago but, the Immortal refused to give Arkonides Khrest and Thora
immortality since they were a dying race. Perry Rhodan has General
Deringhouse take Thora with him on the Burma, a 100 meter (100 yards)
diameter spaceship, to the Arkon star system to negotiate with the Robot
Regent of Arkon for more star ships to fight the Druufs with. But the
Robot Regent does not want to negotiate.
1. Forrest Ackerman should have put two or three of the translated
stories in each book. Having two stories in the first five books worked
out well. Just having one story in the book is too short and would
never allow the translated books to catch up to the German originals.
2. Anyone liking Perry Rhodan and wanting a more up to date story should
read the totally awesome "Mutineer's Moon" Dahak series of three books
by David Weber.
https://www.amazon.com/Mutineers-Moon-Dahak-David-Weber/dp/0671720856/
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 5 out of 5 stars (1 reviews)
Lynn
I think this and the Thomas Cardiff arc are where I really started notcing
that the series wasn't written with American expectations in mind.
Do you mean where everything is not a success ?
Yup, there are definitely tragedies in the Perry Rhodan series.
Lynn
Yes basically, though more particularly while bad things might happen to
Flash Gordon, it would never be Dale dieing...
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Kyonshi
2024-08-24 21:02:08 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I think this and the Thomas Cardiff arc are where I really started notcing
that the series wasn't written with American expectations in mind.
Do you mean where everything is not a success ?
Yup, there are definitely tragedies in the Perry Rhodan series.
Lynn
The interesting thing about the series is that it was written as pretty
close science fiction in the beginning, and it was intended to only run
for a year or so (the main series still is running...). So the early
Perry Rhodan novels tried to establish a world 10 years ahead of the
current date. Lots of stuff in the early stories did not hold up even
months later (the first few novels had thought-reading machines used by
human scientists for example).
The whole beginning of the series reads like some bizarre alternate
universe, especially coming from the real world timeline. It might not
be immediately visible, but there are some real oddities in there.
Don
2024-08-25 02:39:33 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"Thora's Sacrifice (Perry Rhodan #70)" by Kurt Brand
https://www.amazon.com/Thoras-Sacrifice-Perry-Rhodan-70/dp/B000LV97UM/
Book number seventy of a series of one hundred and thirty-six space
opera books in English. The original German books, actually pamphlets,
number in the thousands. The English books started with two translated
German stories per book translated by Wendayne Ackerman and transitioned
to one story per book with the sixth book. And then they transition
back to two stories in book #109/110. The Ace publisher dropped out at
#118, so Forrest and Wendayne Ackerman published books #119 to #136 in
pamphlets before stopping in 1978. The German books were written from
1961 to present time, having sold two billion copies and even recently
been rebooted again. I read the well printed and well bound book
published by Ace in 1975 that I had to be very careful with due to age.
I bought an almost complete box of Perry Rhodans a decade or two ago on
ebay that I am finally getting to since I lost my original Perry Rhodans
in The Great Flood of 1989. In fact, I now own book #1 to book #106,
plus the Atlan books, and some of the Lemuria books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan
BTW, this is actually book number 78 of the German pamphlets written in
1963. There is a very good explanation of the plot in German on the
Perrypedia German website of all of the PR books. There is automatic
Google translation available for English, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese,
French, and Portuguese.
https://www.perrypedia.de/wiki/Thoras_Opfergang
In this alternate universe, USSF Major Perry Rhodan and his three fellow
astronauts blasted off in a three stage rocket to the Moon in their
1971. The first stage of the rocket was chemical, the second and third
stages were nuclear. After crashing on the Moon due to a strange radio
interference, they discover a massive crashed alien spaceship with an
aged male scientist (Khrest), a female commander (Thora), and a crew of
500. It has been over seventy years since then and the Solar Empire has
flourished with tens of millions of people and many spaceships
headquartered in the Gobi desert, the city of Terrania. Perry Rhodan
has been elected by the people of Earth to be the World Administrator
and keep them from being taken over by the robot administrator of Arkon.
Thora the Arkonide, now Thora Rhodan and mother of their child, is dying
of old age. Perry was given immortality by the Immortal several decades
ago but, the Immortal refused to give Arkonides Khrest and Thora
immortality since they were a dying race. Perry Rhodan has General
Deringhouse take Thora with him on the Burma, a 100 meter (100 yards)
Thora the Arkonide, now Thora Rhodan and mother of their child, is dying
of old age. Perry was given immortality by the Immortal several decades
ago but, the Immortal refused to give Arkonides Khrest and Thora
immortality since they were a dying race. Perry Rhodan has General
Deringhouse take Thora with him on the Burma, a 100 meter (100 yards)
diameter spaceship, to the Arkon star system to negotiate with the Robot
Regent of Arkon for more star ships to fight the Druufs with. But the
Robot Regent does not want to negotiate.
"Enterprise Stardust" made it easy for me to dislike Thora. Her haughty
high-handedness as she lorded it over four astronauts she regarded as
little more than apes instantly made Thora unlikeable, at first.
"Pride goeth before a fall." And fall Thora did, until she came down
to Earth to become quite likable. Readers shared her humiliation at the
hands of a Robot Regent who ruthlessly ruled Thora's now degenerate
empire.
Along the way to Thora's ultimate demise der Autor, Brand, gives her
a sudden surge of strength - a succor to send sad readers into denial.
Then the sledge hammer of subverted expectations slams them in the gut.
Through it all Thora remains regal. But Rhodan's never really quite
the same afterward, nor their child Cardif. At Thora's funeral a
foreshadow hints at Cardif's intentions to fully indulge his Oedipus
complex [1] and kill his father. Thus the tragedy begins and
metastasizes.

Note.

[1] <https://www.academypublication.com/issues/past/jltr/vol02/06/28.pdf>

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