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"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
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Lynn McGuire
2024-12-12 22:59:53 UTC
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"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/

Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.

In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.

So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.

Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.

My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)

Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2024-12-13 01:21:14 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
   https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series.  I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon.  I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel.  But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age.  With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs.  Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc.  And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas.  They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters.  But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges.  And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
My rating:  5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
I forgot to mention that if you liked Heinlein's "Tunnel In The Sky",
you will probably like this series.

Lynn
Paul S Person
2024-12-13 16:41:13 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?

But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
down!), there are four choices (in N America):
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian

If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Lynn McGuire
2024-12-13 20:27:43 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.

Lynn
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-12-13 20:48:32 UTC
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Lynn McGuire
2024-12-13 21:47:28 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
BTW, Earth 4428, Darwin's World, does not have any native humans. Only
animals, bugs, reptiles, etc. It was chosen for settling rebuilt humans
for this reason.

Lynn
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-13 22:33:22 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids surviveed them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.

bliss
Paul S Person
2024-12-14 16:18:31 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids surviveed them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-14 17:02:06 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.

bliss
Paul S Person
2024-12-15 16:53:37 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?

But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-15 17:03:25 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.

How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.

bliss
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-12-15 17:10:18 UTC
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"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
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Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But,
they caused
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
will to live.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
the 20th
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
bliss
There is a Russian generational experiment with domesticating foxes
that has shown results over, bassicaly, a human lifetime iirc. My
understanding is that said foxes are not really yet fully doglike:
They aren't afraid of humans, but they aren't best-friends either.
Nonetheless they have come a long way.
--
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What's not in Columbia anymore..
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2024-12-15 17:32:09 UTC
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"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But,
they caused
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
will to live.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
the 20th
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
bliss
There is a Russian generational experiment with domesticating foxes
that has shown results over, bassicaly, a human lifetime iirc. My
They aren't afraid of humans, but they aren't best-friends either.
Nonetheless they have come a long way.
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us. :)
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.
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2024-12-15 19:16:01 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by
Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
Book number two of a five book science fiction series.  I
read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon.  I have bought book three in the series
for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel.  But,
they caused
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the
will to live.
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from
the 20th
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Lynn McGuire
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age.  With nothing but a few tools
and the
clothes on their backs.  Survive or die in the primitive
conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies,
etc.  And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas.  They have decided to move
to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible
winters.  But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges.  And constantly watching for
predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating:  5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating:  4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
    Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
    Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
    Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
    It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves mean human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or villiage and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.
    How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.
    bliss
There is a Russian generational experiment with domesticating foxes
that has shown results over, bassicaly, a human lifetime iirc.  My
They aren't afraid of humans, but they aren't best-friends either.
Nonetheless they have come a long way.
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.

bliss
Paul S Person
2024-12-16 16:37:51 UTC
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<snippo>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.

This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.

And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.

And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
James Nicoll
2024-12-16 16:47:40 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.

In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
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My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
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Cryptoengineer
2024-12-17 16:23:33 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.
In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
The excellent 99% Invisible podcast did a segment about this:
https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/uptown-squirrel/

I was very surprised to learn that prior to the late 1800s,
squirrels were a deep forest species that city dwellers almost
never saw.

Fun site: https://cybersquirrel1.com/

pt
Paul S Person
2024-12-17 16:57:05 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.
In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
Ebb and flow.

I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.

In the last Very Cold Winter, Nextdoor reported some amazing behavior:
hummingbirds, which (it appears) generally insist (violently) on using
the feeder all by themselves, were contentedly sharing feeders.

These were, of course, feeders which were heated to the point that
their feet didn't actually freeze to the rails.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
James Nicoll
2024-12-17 18:19:58 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.
In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
Ebb and flow.
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
There's a very young rabbit who lives under my neighbor's deck. Never
ventures farther than a fast dash to the deck. Hope it makes it
through winter.


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Lynn McGuire
2024-12-18 02:34:50 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 15 Dec 2024 11:16:01 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Dimensional Traveler
Humans have evolved to become very good at getting other animals to do
our work for us.  :)
Yes we have but it is common situation that the species
involved benefit somehow with the relationship to man-kind/cruel
including the perpetuation of their DNA from a species that
spares them to be of future use.
The ecologically minded might point out that all the
available species played a part in making ecological space
for the biped with a larger brain. Thus it is to our own
advantage in the future to maintain and extend populations
of other predator and prey species. And to leave them alone
to enjoy their lives in the territories left for them as
much as possible.
Nextdoor shows that several species (deer and, of course, bunnies and
rats but also coyotes and bobcats) have instead moved into the cities
and suburbs.
This is thought to suppress the bunnies and rats, but it also makes
life outside dangerous for cats and at least small dogs.
And possums and raccoons have been around for decades, if not longer.
And then there are the flying dinosaur descendants, some of them cute,
others less cute.
One of the odder details I encountered while digging through old
newpaper files is that in 1900, Kitchener (then Berlin) parks did
not have squirrels. They were deliberately introduced. Maintaining
a breeding population was challenging, as kids kept killing the
squirrels.
In the last 40 years, Kitchener's downtown pigeon population seems
to have plummeted due to local raptors suddenly discovering KW
is basically one huge buffet. Seagulls also seem to be less
common.
Ebb and flow.
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
hummingbirds, which (it appears) generally insist (violently) on using
the feeder all by themselves, were contentedly sharing feeders.
These were, of course, feeders which were heated to the point that
their feet didn't actually freeze to the rails.
I saw a brown bunny on our walk Sunday afternoon. It lives in my
neighbor's front yard.

Lynn
Robert Carnegie
2024-12-18 10:08:03 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.

I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.

If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Cryptoengineer
2024-12-18 13:45:04 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
There are rabbits around my house on a regular
basis, but I live in the boonies.

pt
Scott Dorsey
2024-12-20 02:55:07 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Post by Robert Carnegie
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Titus G
2024-12-20 04:53:20 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Post by Robert Carnegie
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
There have been regional "Rabbit Boards", tail bounties, rabbit
divisions in Regional Councils and illegal importation and spread of the
poison, perhaps spelt Mexamytosis.
The meat is delicious, but not for sale, (perhaps to prevent breeding
for food), and the last time I tasted it many years ago, was from the
fried hind legs of a young rabbit that my retriever had caught and
retrieved. I gave him the edible offal and the tomato plants the rest.
Scott Lurndal
2024-12-20 14:11:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by Titus G
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Post by Robert Carnegie
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-12-20 14:24:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Post by Robert Carnegie
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!


--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Tony Nance
2024-12-20 14:40:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Post by Robert Carnegie
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-20 15:43:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of
eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine? But wonder why the
authorities do no introduce another predator to deal with
the prey animal introduced?
Think about it.

bliss
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-12-20 16:30:02 UTC
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Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine? But wonder why the
authorities do no introduce another predator to deal with
the prey animal introduced?
Think about it.
bliss
I don't know why she swallowed that fly...
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Titus G
2024-12-21 01:10:30 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
    Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
Paul S Person
2024-12-21 16:47:47 UTC
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Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.

The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Perfect!!
    Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.

Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Scott Dorsey
2024-12-21 18:04:50 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
You mean like the baby-eating?

Not a problem at all. You just bring in komodo dragons to control the
dingo population.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Dimensional Traveler
2024-12-21 20:38:04 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
You mean like the baby-eating?
Not a problem at all. You just bring in komodo dragons to control the
dingo population.
As well as the human population.
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.
Paul S Person
2024-12-22 16:36:29 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
You mean like the baby-eating?
Actually, I was thinking of coyotes' eating pet cats and (at least not
too big) dogs but I suppose an unattended infant might be at risk as
well.

BTW, bobcats might work just as well; but they pop up on Nextdoor a
lot less often than coyotes do.
Post by Scott Dorsey
Not a problem at all. You just bring in komodo dragons to control the
dingo population.
Or wolves for the coyotes or cougars for the bobcats.

But that's just kicking the can down the road, in the long run.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Scott Dorsey
2024-12-22 18:28:08 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Scott Dorsey
You mean like the baby-eating?
Actually, I was thinking of coyotes' eating pet cats and (at least not
too big) dogs but I suppose an unattended infant might be at risk as
well.
It even got a wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby
Post by Paul S Person
BTW, bobcats might work just as well; but they pop up on Nextdoor a
lot less often than coyotes do.
A friend of mine has them up in western Virginia. They hang out with her
housecats and sometimes share food with them. Kind of creepy actually.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Paul S Person
2024-12-23 16:22:57 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Scott Dorsey
You mean like the baby-eating?
Actually, I was thinking of coyotes' eating pet cats and (at least not
too big) dogs but I suppose an unattended infant might be at risk as
well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby
I saw the film.

It's more a warning against being a Seventh-Day Adventist in Australia
than it is about dingos.

But, hey, it only took 8 years for them to be exonerated.
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Paul S Person
BTW, bobcats might work just as well; but they pop up on Nextdoor a
lot less often than coyotes do.
A friend of mine has them up in western Virginia. They hang out with her
housecats and sometimes share food with them. Kind of creepy actually.
But they /look/ cute when someone manages to get an image.

Still, the possibility that they are dating their dinner is kind of
creepy.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-12-21 19:04:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Bugs & Wile E faced off at least twice, perhaps a few more. Those are
the only ones where Wile E talks. (Ignoring a TV special where he addresses
two kids in the audience).
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-22 00:30:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Perfect!!
    Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am
sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.

In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.

bliss

bliss
Paul S Person
2024-12-22 16:41:57 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am
sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.

What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?

Which brings to things to mind:
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-22 18:59:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am
sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.
What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?
For the hunters they were essential.
Post by Paul S Person
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
Did you hear yet that the California ground squirrels will hunt and
devour voles? Rodent predating on rodent.

Bunny Bashing: Predator Control in Early Kern County May 31, 2021
<https://www.valleyagvoice.com/bunny-bashing-predator-control-in-early-kern-county/>

Seems like it may be time again for rabbit roundup according to the article.

bliss
Paul S Person
2024-12-23 16:31:47 UTC
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On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 10:59:36 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am
sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.
What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?
For the hunters they were essential.
Post by Paul S Person
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
Did you hear yet that the California ground squirrels will hunt and
devour voles? Rodent predating on rodent.
I think "preying on" would be better. I generally take "predate" to
mean "come before".

However, Bing suggests otherwise. Useage, of course, shifts, and I may
not have kept up.
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Bunny Bashing: Predator Control in Early Kern County May 31, 2021
<https://www.valleyagvoice.com/bunny-bashing-predator-control-in-early-kern-county/>
Seems like it may be time again for rabbit roundup according to the article.
Has anyone suggested Coyotes?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-23 18:27:12 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 10:59:36 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 16:30:05 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo: rabbit control for New Zealand>
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Post by Paul S Person
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I am
sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
They also catch rodents (specifially, rats). Which is also helpful.
What the prefer is, AFAIK, not known.
Post by Bobbie Sellers
In the Central Valley of California around the Fresno
Bakerfield areas, there was a rabbit problem which led to mass
hunts by people, farmers and kin. driving the pesky bunnies
before them and clubbing them to death. Human occupation of
the countryside with cutting of trees and even brush as well
as the plows disturbing the burrows and the noisy machines.
So the predators went upslope and did not regularly visit
their old hunting grounds which filled up with bunnies.
Did the hunts work? Or are they still ongoing (in season)?
For the hunters they were essential.
Post by Paul S Person
1. /Watership Down/
2. "It's not /nice/ to mess with Mother Nature"
Did you hear yet that the California ground squirrels will hunt and
devour voles? Rodent predating on rodent.
I think "preying on" would be better. I generally take "predate" to
mean "come before".
However, Bing suggests otherwise. Useage, of course, shifts, and I may
not have kept up.
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Bunny Bashing: Predator Control in Early Kern County May 31, 2021
<https://www.valleyagvoice.com/bunny-bashing-predator-control-in-early-kern-county/>
Seems like it may be time again for rabbit roundup according to the article.
Has anyone suggested Coyotes?
Not really but I live near the coast and Coyotes seem to prefer
urban areas for the amount of discharded food and handy snacks of
household pets.

bliss

Cryptoengineer
2024-12-23 00:33:25 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Perfect!!
     Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
    No whatever predatory species is chosen should all be sterilized. I
am sure that the North American Coyote will enjoy
rabbit for a long time. Unless you have some ground dwelling
creature that is easier to catch and more delicious.
This will afford a continuing market for sterilized predators.
NZ is chock-full of 'ground dwelling creatures that are easier to catch
and more delicious".

Until human settlement less than 1000 years, ago, the only native
land mammals were bats. As a result, there are a large number of
native ground-dwelling, flightless birds, such as the kiwi.

Eliminating ground dwelling non-human mammals altogether is an
ongoing project.

pt
Titus G
2024-12-23 04:38:03 UTC
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On 23/12/24 13:33, Cryptoengineer wrote:

snip for brevity. Re:Rabbits
Post by Cryptoengineer
Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.
Yes, a disease, which was outlawed by NZ govt but imported and
distributed many years ago. It was less effective in subsequent uses
when it was legalised as the rabbit built up resistance as you say.
Post by Cryptoengineer
NZ is chock-full of 'ground dwelling creatures that are easier to catch
and more delicious".
I can't think of any in the Central Otago area mainly affected by rabbits.
Post by Cryptoengineer
Until human settlement less than 1000  years, ago, the only native
land mammals were bats. As a result, there are a large number of
native ground-dwelling, flightless birds, such as the kiwi.
There are only about a dozen left now, counting the kiwi as one. And
numbers are low. We ate all the moa.
Post by Cryptoengineer
Eliminating ground dwelling non-human mammals altogether is an
ongoing project.
Even in forest close to cities there is a plethora of stoats or weasels
and possums are just as big a problem as rabbits in some areas. At least
we have a great balance between wild pigs and pig hunters, so no problem
there. I don't know if wild deer are still a problem but they have been
decades ago.
Cryptoengineer
2024-12-23 00:27:59 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Perfect!!
    Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
The very last thing New Zealand needs is more mammalian predators.

Until human settlement, less than 1000 years ago, the only non-marine
mammals were bats. As a result, many ground-dwelling birds evolved,
including the iconic kiwi.

Tha Maori introduced dogs and rats, and later European settlers many
more species, which are devastating the native population.

There's currently a project underway to free NZ from mammalian
predators by 2050. They don't need new ones.

Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.

pt
Gary R. Schmidt
2024-12-23 08:36:12 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Perfect!!
     Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
The very last thing New Zealand needs is more mammalian predators.
Until human settlement, less than 1000 years ago, the only non-marine
mammals were bats. As a result, many ground-dwelling birds evolved,
including the iconic kiwi.
Tha Maori introduced dogs and rats, and later European settlers many
more species, which are devastating the native population.
There's currently a project underway to free NZ from mammalian
predators by 2050. They don't need new ones.
Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.
Which is why we now use Calicivirus as well, which somehoe got released
by mistake shortly after it had been agreed that it was safe for the
native animals, but before all the pollies and wallies had signed off on
it. :-)

Bloody mongrels still don't die quickly enough.

Cheers,
Gary B-)
Paul S Person
2024-12-23 16:35:23 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 19:36:12 +1100, "Gary R. Schmidt"
Post by Gary R. Schmidt
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were,
if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
One of the best WE Coyote cartoons. And maybe the only one with a
Bunny in it.
The sequence (several cartoons) involving the catapult is my favorite.
Post by Titus G
Post by Tony Nance
Perfect!!
     Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?
The Dingo would make no distinction between rabbit and lapin but resides
in Australia where it is no threat to the New Zealand bunny which has no
predators other than humans.
This may come as a shock to you, but, in theory, I would think dingoes
could be imported from Australia to take care of the rabbits. Provided
they like rabbit, of course.
Of course, there might be problems with what /else/ they decide to go
after. But that is true of all predators.
The very last thing New Zealand needs is more mammalian predators.
Until human settlement, less than 1000 years ago, the only non-marine
mammals were bats. As a result, many ground-dwelling birds evolved,
including the iconic kiwi.
Tha Maori introduced dogs and rats, and later European settlers many
more species, which are devastating the native population.
There's currently a project underway to free NZ from mammalian
predators by 2050. They don't need new ones.
Myxomatosis isn't a poison - its a disease which was rapidly
fatal in rabbits, though now, in Australia, resistant animals
are appearing.
Which is why we now use Calicivirus as well, which somehoe got released
by mistake shortly after it had been agreed that it was safe for the
native animals, but before all the pollies and wallies had signed off on
it. :-)
Bloody mongrels still don't die quickly enough.
And they'll just develop resistance.

Evolution marches on!
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Gary R. Schmidt
2024-12-21 03:55:53 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland.  She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables.  They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling.  They must die.  Cats like this
should be supported.
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
That's a super-genius idea!
http://youtu.be/Vl1uFDiDoQc
Perfect!!
    Good luck with Coyotes but why does not the Dingo
make inroards into the lapin cuisine?  But wonder why the
authorities do no introduce another predator to deal with
the prey animal introduced?
    Think about it.
Dingoes are 'Strayan, the poor buggers in Enzed copped the importation
of our bloody possums (no relation to the American *o*possum), they're
not going to like that idea!

Cheers,
Gary B-)
Robert Carnegie
2024-12-21 21:20:57 UTC
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Post by Titus G
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
New Zealand is not benefitted by additional
"invasive species".

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_in_New_Zealand>
Paul S Person
2024-12-22 16:43:17 UTC
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 21:20:57 +0000, Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Scott Lurndal
Post by Titus G
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
Time to introduce the coyote to the rabbits?
New Zealand is not benefitted by additional
"invasive species".
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_in_New_Zealand>
So, all those invasive Primates will be leaving any day now, right?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Dimensional Traveler
2024-12-20 16:30:51 UTC
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Post by Titus G
Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
Post by Robert Carnegie
I think later, the household budget for pet food
improved.
If you have the money, you can buy rabbit in
tin cans, to have later.
Years ago I dated someone with a crossbow who would hunt them in my
yard (as firearms are not legal to use within the city limits here).
I got kind of tired of lapin au moutarde but since then I have learned
how to cook them szechuan style.
--scott
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
There have been regional "Rabbit Boards", tail bounties, rabbit
divisions in Regional Councils and illegal importation and spread of the
poison, perhaps spelt Mexamytosis.
The meat is delicious, but not for sale, (perhaps to prevent breeding
for food), and the last time I tasted it many years ago, was from the
fried hind legs of a young rabbit that my retriever had caught and
retrieved. I gave him the edible offal and the tomato plants the rest.
I am reminded of The Emu War. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emu_War
--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.
Paul S Person
2024-12-20 17:37:01 UTC
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<snippo -- rabbits are evil>
Post by Titus G
Rabbits are a massive problem in the dry Central Otago area of the South
Island of New Zealand where they decimate crops and grass leaving barren
soil. An introduced species with no natural predators, with large and
frequent litters, they have successfully defied attempts of eradication.
There have been regional "Rabbit Boards", tail bounties, rabbit
divisions in Regional Councils and illegal importation and spread of the
poison, perhaps spelt Mexamytosis.
Have they considered importing ... coyotes? IOW, putting an end to the
"no natural predator" situation?

Doesn't have to be coyotes, of course. New Zealand or Australian
predators might fit in better.

Of course, once the coyotes finish with the rabbits, pet cats and dogs
will be on their menu, so this may not be ideal.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Paul S Person
2024-12-20 17:34:00 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Paul S Person
I haven't seen a bunny for a long time now. But once they were, if not
common, then not rare sights. Some of them white, others brown.
My sister lives in rural Scotland. She used to
see a rabbit, from time to time, being carried
cross-country in the jaws of the family cat.
I mean, probably several different rabbits.
Rabbits are evil animals that eat my vegetables. They eat my oregano,
they even ate my feijoa seedling. They must die. Cats like this
should be supported.
That seems to be the attitude underlying the support of coyotes on
NextDoor. Well, that and coyotes looking cool in photos, particularly
when well-nourished.

<gustatory notes snipped>
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Bobbie Sellers
2024-12-15 17:27:55 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:02:06 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Bobbie Sellers
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:33:22 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
"Oh my!"
Sounds very unlikely as Canids survived them in this
world. We might have to tame our wolves all over again so
they are not a solution to the transport problem. Of course
the wolves that we tamed were the wolves waiting for
a handout. Wolves probably tamed humans as much as vice versa.
Which world? The Pleistocene world the abductees are set down in, or
the future world intended for colonization?
Whichever world in which Canids are social and have humans
at hand.
Canids have been around longer than people much like most
of the other mammalian species.
True enough, but then why are they not pulling the resurrected
colonists sleds for them?
But perhaps what I should /really/ be asking is "just how modern /are/
these people?" Perhaps they never heard of dogs pulling sleds. Or
spears. Or bows-and-arrows.
It takes several generations to produce usable dogs
at the very best. Wolves meet human hunters who leave some of
their own kill for the wolves. A few wolves follow the humans
back to their camp or village and some of those few learn that
scavenging from human is an easy way to live.
People begin to notice the behavior and encourage it.

How many wolf generations to get to a animal that can
be trained to pull loads for people? I dunno. But I bet it is
shorter if the humans have that objective. Meantime like the
early humans the humans are enroute to new hunting grounds.

bliss
Paul S Person
2024-12-14 16:20:16 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
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Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?

Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Cryptoengineer
2024-12-14 18:10:11 UTC
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
In our timeline, dogs were domesticated *during* the Pleistocene.

pt
Scott Dorsey
2024-12-14 18:43:48 UTC
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In our timeline, dogs were domesticated *during* the Pleistocene.
You haven't met my mom's dog. It could benefit greatly from domestication.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Lynn McGuire
2024-12-15 04:52:26 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
There were no humans on Earth 4428 until the very end of the
Pleistocene. Almost all of the other thousands of Earth planets in
other universes had humans on them.

Lynn
Paul S Person
2024-12-15 16:55:11 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:52:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
There were no humans on Earth 4428 until the very end of the
Pleistocene. Almost all of the other thousands of Earth planets in
other universes had humans on them.
Ah. I mistook "4428" for a year.

I wasn't aware this was in the Marvel Universe.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Lynn McGuire
2024-12-16 01:38:01 UTC
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:52:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
There were no humans on Earth 4428 until the very end of the
Pleistocene. Almost all of the other thousands of Earth planets in
other universes had humans on them.
Ah. I mistook "4428" for a year.
I wasn't aware this was in the Marvel Universe.
This is not the Marvel Universe. The futurists have explored thousands
of parallel Earths.

Lynn
Paul S Person
2024-12-16 16:39:19 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 22:52:26 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 14:27:43 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 16:59:53 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
"The Trek: An Epic of Survival (The Darwin's World Series)" by Jack L Knapp
https://www.amazon.com/Trek-Epic-Survival-Darwins-World/dp/1719878196/
Book number two of a five book science fiction series. I read the well
printed and well bound POD (print on demand) trade paperback that I
bought new on Amazon. I have bought book three in the series for
reading soon.
In the 25th century, humanity has solved all problems and even created
machines for time travel and parallel universe travel. But, they caused
a new problem, humanity is dying out as people have lost the will to live.
So the future scientists are bringing forward dying people from the 20th
century, restoring their bodies to their 20 year old age, and
transferring them to a Earth 4428, a parallel world going through the
end of the Pleistocene ice age. With nothing but a few tools and the
clothes on their backs. Survive or die in the primitive conditions of
what will be the southern USA but there are lions, big cats, mammoths,
bisons, dire wolves, deer, elk, short face bears, grizzlies, etc. And
chest deep snow in the winters.
Matt and several others were deposited by the futurists into what will
be the eastern portion of Texas. They have decided to move to the
western side of Texas and closer to the Gulf of Mexico to hopefully
reduce the number of slaver attackers and the terrible winters. But
moving hundreds of miles using human powered travoises and carts is not
easy without roads and bridges. And constantly watching for predators
or prey to eat.
What, no dogs to pull the traverses?
But I suppose which Pleistocene ice age was being used. According to
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene#Major_events] (scroll
Nebraskan
Kansan
Illinoian
Wisconsian
If it an early-enough period, I suppose there might be no dogs.
Post by Lynn McGuire
My rating: 5 out of 5 stars
Amazon rating: 4.4 out of 5 stars (306 reviews)
Lynn
The dogs got eaten by the sabertooth tigers and the bears.
So, the theory here is that no dogs survived the Pleistocene? Or is it
that they were domesticated later on?
Please keep in mind that /you/ are the one who said it was at the end
of (one of the) Pleistocene ice ages. So no moving the goalposts to
the far future.
There were no humans on Earth 4428 until the very end of the
Pleistocene. Almost all of the other thousands of Earth planets in
other universes had humans on them.
Ah. I mistook "4428" for a year.
I wasn't aware this was in the Marvel Universe.
This is not the Marvel Universe. The futurists have explored thousands
of parallel Earths.
So has Marvel. Their three live-action Spider-Man incarnations are set
on three differently-numbered Earths.

Thus does one fiction imitate another.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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