Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25
The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
people do not understand how old technology worked.
Lynn

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.

Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon.
:-)

Charles Packer

2024-12-26 08:40:06 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

2024-12-26 12:00:38 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

Almost, but not quite. But my grand father grew up in an unheated house
with a packed earth floor in northern iceland. Amazing the changes he saw
during his life time!

Gary R. Schmidt

2024-12-26 14:18:07 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

Yep, all four born in the 1880s or 1890s. :-)

Nan frequently threatened to live long enough to see the return of
Halley's Comet, alas, she didn't, so she wasn't disappointed.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

Lynn McGuire

2024-12-26 20:23:00 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.

My four grandparents were born from 1910 to 1917. All were born here in
Texas.

One of my wife's grandparents was born in 1900 and his wife was born in
1902. No birth certificates as they were Cherokees born in the Arkansas
back woods.

Lynn

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

2024-12-26 21:53:22 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.
My four grandparents were born from 1910 to 1917. All were born here in
Texas.
One of my wife's grandparents was born in 1900 and his wife was born in
1902. No birth certificates as they were Cherokees born in the Arkansas
back woods.
Lynn

My paternal grandmother was married in 1900, not sure when she was born.
She never learned to drive either.

When my father was growing up, he knew a number of ex-slaves, including
one who had been owned by my great-grandparents (if I have the story right).

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The Horny Goat

2025-01-03 22:59:42 UTC

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 14:23:00 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.

I talked on the phone to my great grandmother (Mom's maternal
grandmother) when I was 9 or 10 but I was in Canada and she was in
Northern Ireland. My other three pre-deceased me.

Robert Woodward

2025-01-04 06:12:21 UTC

Post by The Horny Goat
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 14:23:00 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
I knew four of my great grandparents, all born in the late 1800s. One
of them was born in Belgium, another was born in Germany.

I talked on the phone to my great grandmother (Mom's maternal
grandmother) when I was 9 or 10 but I was in Canada and she was in
Northern Ireland. My other three pre-deceased me.

There is a picture of me (very young) sitting in the lap of my mother's
maternal grandfather (I think he was the only great-grandparent still
alive when I was born). I remember meeting a woman who my father
referred to as his grandmother, but she was the 2nd wife of his maternal
grandfather and his mother was the only surviving child of his first
marriage. It might say something about me, but I always thought that she
wasn't my great-grandmother.

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Mark Jackson

2024-12-26 23:48:56 UTC

Post by Charles Packer
Is anybody else here old enough to have had grandparents born in
the 19th century? Theirs arguably was the generation to have
witnessed the greatest technological change. Neither of my two
grandmothers, from the Midwest, ever learned to drive a car.

All four of mine were born in the 1880s. My paternal grandparents lived
into the 1960s (outliving my father by a decade); he drove, she did not.

My maternal grandparents died young and my mother (born in 1909) was
raised by *her* paternal grandparents (born in the 1860s) in a small
town (population around 200 today) in Indiana. *She* certainly
experienced some changes in the environment in her 92 years.

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Joy Beeson

2024-12-27 03:21:46 UTC

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer

Grandparents? My father was born in the nineteenth century. My older
sisters witnessed the change from horse-drawn plows to tractors.

When I was born, there was no electricity or running water in our
house, and this was perfectly normal.

A few years ago I went on a tour of the duplex home the Beyer brothers
built for themselves, and the tour guide remarked that everything in
the house was electric, even the fireplaces. I started to remark on
how up-to-date that was -- and realized that *nothing* in the present
day can be as modern as that all-electric house had been, even if the
description includes things that are currently impossible.

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Your Name

2024-12-27 05:37:03 UTC

Post by Joy Beeson
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer

Grandparents? My father was born in the nineteenth century. My older
sisters witnessed the change from horse-drawn plows to tractors.
When I was born, there was no electricity or running water in our
house, and this was perfectly normal.
A few years ago I went on a tour of the duplex home the Beyer brothers
built for themselves, and the tour guide remarked that everything in
the house was electric, even the fireplaces. I started to remark on
how up-to-date that was -- and realized that *nothing* in the present
day can be as modern as that all-electric house had been, even if the
description includes things that are currently impossible.

You could have a connected / "smart" house with all the latest gadgets
and gizmos where you can control *everything* from a cellphone app or
via voice control. :-)

Lynn McGuire

2024-12-27 05:52:01 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

My 84 year old uncle grew up with his Civil War veteran grandfather in
their home in Texarkana. His grandfather was born around 1850 and was a
muleskinner in the Texas 5th Artillery unit from Texarkana. They took
four 4 inch or 6 inch cannons to Virgina in 1862 ? and fought in a
couple of battles. They ate the mules walking back to Texas and threw
the cannons in a ditch somewhere. His grandfather passed away at the
age of 100 in their home.

Lynn

The Horny Goat

2025-01-03 22:57:30 UTC

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer

No - though my grandfather (b 1901) at the end of his love kept saying
how amazing it was to be born before the Wright brothers' first flight
and seeing the TV coverage of Neil Armstrong on the moon.

The grandmother closest to me (b. 1907) got HER driver's licence when
my grandfather (the other one - who was a commercial fisherman who
later became a fish cannery owner and a two time candidate for the
Canadian parliament as well as being jury foreman on what turned out
to be the most notorious Canadian murder trial in the 1960s - Google
"Murder by Milkshake" if you want to know more) was at sea.

He was used to being picked up at home and being driven to the fish
dock when he went to sea but on this one occasion was picked up by my
grandmother who hadn't told him she had been learning to drive while
he was at sea the last 2-3 months...

James Nicoll

2025-01-03 23:16:31 UTC

Post by Joy Beeson
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 08:40:06 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer

No - though my grandfather (b 1901) at the end of his love kept saying
how amazing it was to be born before the Wright brothers' first flight
and seeing the TV coverage of Neil Armstrong on the moon.

My maternal grandfather Strahan served in WWI, so he must have been
old enough to enlist. So probably born in the 19th century? He
was a Quartermaster, second class, by the time he got the Navy
Cross so probably not some tween with pasted on moustache.

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The Horny Goat

2025-01-04 01:58:50 UTC

Post by James Nicoll
My maternal grandfather Strahan served in WWI, so he must have been
old enough to enlist. So probably born in the 19th century? He
was a Quartermaster, second class, by the time he got the Navy
Cross so probably not some tween with pasted on moustache.

I'd have to look up the dates on my great-grandfather (mother's
paternal grandfather) who (1) emigrated with wife + 8 children from
Belfast to Vancouver in 1912, (2) on start of war took the train to
Halifax and steamer to London where he then turned up with his reserve
officer's commission and asked them to put him to work (3) commanded a
minesweeper for the duration (promoted in 1917) (4) returned to Canada
in early 1919 and never returned to the UK until 1936 when he caught a
fever in Belfast on his way to attending the coronation that never was
and is buried in the same cemetary his parents were (in a small town
about 1/2 hr E of Belfast) - which we visited when we were there in
2016.

I asked a good friend who is a retired Canadian navy officer
(commanded a frigate which is as big as Canadian ships get these days)
to confirm his rank based on his service photo - he said "no problem,
we learn rank insignia in the academy and Canadian and UK insignia are
the same". I told him that it had to be before his promotion and
agreed and said 'from the ribbons almost certainly mid-1916' since he
has all the standard ribbons through then'

Navy Cross isn't one of those 'thanks for serving" medals so I'd say
you should see if you can get the citation - which ought to be
available in the Royal Navy records.

James Nicoll

2025-01-04 02:23:46 UTC

Post by The Horny Goat

I'd have to look up the dates on my great-grandfather (mother's
paternal grandfather) who (1) emigrated with wife + 8 children from
Belfast to Vancouver in 1912, (2) on start of war took the train to
Halifax and steamer to London where he then turned up with his reserve
officer's commission and asked them to put him to work (3) commanded a
minesweeper for the duration (promoted in 1917) (4) returned to Canada
in early 1919 and never returned to the UK until 1936 when he caught a
fever in Belfast on his way to attending the coronation that never was
and is buried in the same cemetary his parents were (in a small town
about 1/2 hr E of Belfast) - which we visited when we were there in
2016.
I asked a good friend who is a retired Canadian navy officer
(commanded a frigate which is as big as Canadian ships get these days)
to confirm his rank based on his service photo - he said "no problem,
we learn rank insignia in the academy and Canadian and UK insignia are
the same". I told him that it had to be before his promotion and
agreed and said 'from the ribbons almost certainly mid-1916' since he
has all the standard ribbons through then'
Navy Cross isn't one of those 'thanks for serving" medals so I'd say
you should see if you can get the citation - which ought to be
available in the Royal Navy records.

Oh, I have it. USN, not RN.

In the paper version of this I have seen, the back of the letter has
a note to my grandmother telling her not to worry.

******

ND: Rdb.
File No. 133-G

Base Eighteen
9 February 1919

From: Commanding Officer RED ROSE
To: Secretary of the Navy.
Via : Force Commander.
Commanding Officer, U.S.Naval Bases 17 and 18
Commander Minesweeping Detachment.

Subject: Strachan P.J. Q.M. 2c USNRF -- Recommendation
For Navy Cross and advancement in rating .

1) In accordance with instructions from Force Commander, two British
sailing smacks were obtained from the Admiralty for conducting
experimental minesweeping in the North Sea Barrage to ascertain the
effectiveness of these in field. Due to the late delivery of the vessels
it was not possible to fit them out and carry on the experiments until
after the armistice had been signed. On account of the peculiar
sensitiveness of the American Mark V1 Mine, considerable doubt was
expressed whether it would be possible for any type of vessel to
cross the minefield without being destroyed, even if the vessel
itself were protected. The possibility of adjacent mines countermining
was considered a grave source of danger to any vessel.

2) The two vessels supplied by the Admiralty were Lowestoft fishing
smacks, ketch rigged, sixty-nine feet overall. They were fitted out
at Base Eighteen with crews of picked men who had volunteered for this
work. The drifter Red Fern was received in very good condition, but
the other vessel RED ROSE was extremely old, the timbers rotted and
the hull leaking badly.. It is understood that this vessel had been
sunk for approximately three months and had been raised sometime prior to
sending her to Inverness for experimental purposes.

3) The vessels got underway on 21 December 1918 and were towed to the
minefield where they made sail on 22 December 1918, put out the sweep
and set course to cross the minefield. The minefield laid by Mine Squadron
One on 19 August 1918 was crossed and recrossed four times, resulting in
exploding six mines., two of which were so close astern of the RED ROSE
that the water thrown up was blown aboard that vessel. The explosion also
caused considerable additional leakage which necessitated keeping the
pumps going approximately fifty percent of the time to keep the hull
free of water. By three o'clock the wind had freshened to force six,
with the barometer still falling rapidly and a bad sea coming on. The
sweep was cut adrift and the vessels stood off to the southward to get
clear of the minefield before dark. At 9:00 PM a gale was blowing and
an extremely heavy sea which made it necessary for the RED ROSE to heave
to under a storm jib and triple- reefed mizzen. The storm was increasing
in violence until it began to appear doubtful whether it would be possible
to keep the ship afloat until the weather abated.

4) At about 2:00 AM the main topmast ,which was carrying no sails snapped
and hung about half way down the mast, suspended by the topsail halyards.
This mast suspended in this fashion was whipping about wildly, striking
the sail and rigging violently, with grave danger of carrying away the
headsail as well as the shrouds and other rigging attached to the mast.
The only solution was to go aloft and cut it adrift. This involved climbing
the shrouds while the topmast was whipping across them at intervals of
approximately four seconds and with such force that it would have killed
a man had he been struck by it.

P.J. Strachan, quartermaster second class, U.S.Naval Reserve Force,
realizing the situation jumped into the rigging and, watching the
mast as it whipped back and forth across the shrowds finally succeeded
in climbing above it and on to the crosstrees where he cut it free
and it fell on deck.

Later on the same night while the Commanding Officer was securing some
rigging which had come adrift a heavy sea broke over the bulwark washing
him across the deck. He would undoubtedly have been carried overboard
had it not been for the assistance of Strachan who caught him and held
him until the sea had passed. During the remainder of this storm and
another storm of equal violence, Strachan displayed the most remarkable
courage and seamanship I have ever seen.

4) It is therefore recommended that P.J.Strachan quarter master second
class U.S. Naval Reserve Force be awarded the Navy Cross for most
distinguished service and extraordinary heroism in the line of duty
and that he be advanced to the rating of Chief Quartermaster. It is
further requested that a copy of this letter be attached to his
service record.

Commanding Officer Davis

Jay Morris

2025-01-04 01:53:42 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

All four, from 1884 to 1898, but all but a grandmother died before I was
born and she died when I was six. I still have one grandfather's
driver's license from around the 1930s.

William Hyde

2025-01-04 17:59:45 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

My grandparents were born between 1884 and 1890. All lived to see space
flight, but only one to see the moon landing. Neither grandmother ever
had a driver's license, both living in that civilized age where the
local grocery was not three miles away.

William Hyde

Robert Carnegie

2025-01-05 14:22:22 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

That's partly cultural.* But soon, no one will.

* Saudi Arabia permitted women to drive cars
only very recently. The U.S. allowed women
to own cars, ah, quite recently.**

** Specifically to finance the deal.

Cryptoengineer

2025-01-05 17:51:53 UTC

There are loads of YouTube videos of youngsters trying to use things
like a rotary phone, cassette tape player, etc.
Then again, the same happens with every generation. Few adults know how
to use something like a spinning wheel or drive a horse-drawn wagon. :-)

That's partly cultural.* But soon, no one will.

Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

pt

Scott Dorsey

2025-01-06 15:36:46 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
some locations.

On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally"
by Isaac Asimov.
--scott

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Paul S Person

2025-01-06 16:15:47 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
some locations.
On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally"
by Isaac Asimov.

Indeed.

On my current pass through my great list of possible reads, starting
with the last two James Bond novels, I was pleased to find that
Asimov's /Nightfall and Other Stories/ had finally made it to Kindle.

"Sally" is in /Nightfall and Other Stories/, so I had the pleasure of
reading it recently.

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Scott Lurndal

2025-01-06 16:48:06 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
some locations.
On the subject of the automatomobile I strongly recommend the story "Sally"
by Isaac Asimov.

How about "Why Johnny Can't Speed"?

Michael Benveniste

2025-01-06 20:46:45 UTC

Post by Scott Dorsey
Perhaps for a while, but after a decade or so manually-driven cars will
be theftproof because the kids stealing cars won't know how to drive.
This will have the effect of reducing insurance costs on some vehicles in
some locations.

It's already the case that in the U.S. a manual transmission functions
as an anti-theft device. More than once, valet services left the car
where we dropped it off because they couldn't find anyone who could
drive it.

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Cryptoengineer

2025-01-07 02:41:19 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if
self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
on taking control yourself.

pt

Your Name

2025-01-07 05:25:18 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

Insurance companies will *ALWAYS* charge an arm and a leg for
everything and anything, and then pay out as little as they can get
away with when you make a claim ... that's how they operate and how
they make masses of money for the greedy scum who own, run and have
shares in them. They couldn't care less about the actual customer. It's
really no betetr than a legalised scam. :-(

Scott Lurndal

2025-01-07 14:51:27 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

State Farm used to send me a dividend check every year when they
returned excess annual auto premium dollars.

Jay Morris

2025-01-07 20:18:06 UTC

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Cryptoengineer
Manually driving a car will become a rare skill, and insurance
policies will either carry expensive riders, or simply not cover
it.

State Farm used to send me a dividend check every year when they
returned excess annual auto premium dollars.

USAA does that when reserves exceed a certain amount, so it's not every
year. They're a mutual insurance company. I also get a senior bonus
cause I've been a member so long.

Scott Dorsey

2025-01-08 00:39:28 UTC

Post by Jay Morris

Post by Scott Lurndal
State Farm used to send me a dividend check every year when they
returned excess annual auto premium dollars.

I do not think they do this anymore as they are not structurally the
same company they were a few decades ago and they are now responsible
to shareholders who want to see short-term gains.

Post by Jay Morris
USAA does that when reserves exceed a certain amount, so it's not every
year. They're a mutual insurance company. I also get a senior bonus
cause I've been a member so long.

USAA is one of the very last of the insurance companies structured that
way and they deserve commendation for actually serving customers.
--scott

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Default User

2025-01-08 07:26:48 UTC

Post by Cryptoengineer
You have a point on theft, but I was thinking more of liability - if
self-driving cars have far fewer accidents than manually driven ones,
the insurance companies will charge an arm and a leg if you insist
on taking control yourself.

In late 2023 I read the book My Murder by Katie Williams. It's a
near-future setting, where some people never learned to drive and use a
type of self-driving "uber" service. Others do know how to drive and
have manually-driven cars.

Some of the technology in the book seems like it would be 10-20 years
from now, other aspects way in advance of current.

Brian

Your Name

2025-01-08 21:39:32 UTC

Post by Default User

In late 2023 I read the book My Murder by Katie Williams. It's a
near-future setting, where some people never learned to drive and use a
type of self-driving "uber" service. Others do know how to drive and
have manually-driven cars.
Some of the technology in the book seems like it would be 10-20 years
from now, other aspects way in advance of current.
Brian

There are many books like that. In some the cars mostly use
self-driving, but people can choose to take manual control if they want
to. the iRobot movie's Audi has that option, as does Knight Rider's
KITT.

Of course, people who don't want to drive themsleves have been around
since way before the car was even invented. They simply use taxis,
buses, trains, stagecoaches, chauffeurs, etc.

Michael Benveniste

2025-01-06 20:42:08 UTC

3 of my 4 grandparents were born in the 19th century. My paternal
grandmother was born in 1901.

Bobbie Sellers

2024-12-26 23:11:15 UTC

My father was born in 1896 so certainly his dad must have
been born even earlier. Dad died in 1939 when i eas 2.5 years of
age. My maternal grandfather was born even earlier since my
mom was born in 1916.

bliss

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

2024-12-26 23:13:19 UTC

Post by Bobbie Sellers

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Talking Technical with Young People
Â Â https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2024/12/25
The technology changes are so great in just a couple of decades that
people do not understand how old technology worked.
Lynn

My father was born in 1896 so certainly his dad must have
been born even earlier.

Remember, this is the SF group!

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Cryptoengineer

2025-01-01 03:54:36 UTC

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>

Post by Bobbie Sellers

My father was born in 1896 so certainly his dad must have
been born even earlier.

Remember, this is the SF group!

Not fiction, but President John Tyler, born 1790, has a living
grandson.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrison_Ruffin_Tyler

pt

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-01 06:22:39 UTC