[tor dot com] Five Truly Inhospitable Fictional Planets

The gas giant Gol of the Vega System in Perry Rhodan was noted as fairly
inhospitable in the "Places in SF/Fantasy you don't want to visit..."
thread that was recently exhumed:

[Gol] was an ammonia-methane giant of the Jupiter type. ...
This gigantic planet had three times the diameter of Jupiter,
a staggering 260,000 miles, and, in contrast to Jupiter, an
enormous density. According to the information given by Ferronian
astronomy the gravitation on the surface amounted to more than
nine hundred G's, which meant that a man there would have to
carry more than nine hundred times his weight.

_Ghosts of Gol_

Twelve miles of ammonia above Gol's frozen methane surface blot out all
radiant light from the bluish tinged Vega at the center of the system.
The surface temperature hovers at less than eighty degrees above
absolute zero.
As if all of the above wasn't enough, "cold sun" Gol also hosts
incorporeal "light bodies" that pass through hulls with ease. Whereupon
these luminous beings, who possess the intelligence of a dog or cat,
feed off of energy created by any electrical generators within the hull
of a ship or vehicle. Some EM frequencies antagonize the energy beings
and they in behave "just like a swarm of disturbed wasps."

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Peter Trei

2020-05-09 16:39:53 UTC

The gas giant Gol of the Vega System in Perry Rhodan was noted as fairly
inhospitable in the "Places in SF/Fantasy you don't want to visit..."
[Gol] was an ammonia-methane giant of the Jupiter type. ...
This gigantic planet had three times the diameter of Jupiter,
a staggering 260,000 miles, and, in contrast to Jupiter, an
enormous density. According to the information given by Ferronian
astronomy the gravitation on the surface amounted to more than
nine hundred G's, which meant that a man there would have to
carry more than nine hundred times his weight.
_Ghosts of Gol_
Twelve miles of ammonia above Gol's frozen methane surface blot out all
radiant light from the bluish tinged Vega at the center of the system.
The surface temperature hovers at less than eighty degrees above
absolute zero.
As if all of the above wasn't enough, "cold sun" Gol also hosts
incorporeal "light bodies" that pass through hulls with ease. Whereupon
these luminous beings, who possess the intelligence of a dog or cat,
feed off of energy created by any electrical generators within the hull
of a ship or vehicle. Some EM frequencies antagonize the energy beings
and they in behave "just like a swarm of disturbed wasps."

That would take about 9 solar masses of material.

This exceeds both the Chandrasekhar limit, and the
Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit. The planet would collapse
Into a black hole.

Pt

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

2020-05-09 16:58:53 UTC

That would take about 9 solar masses of material.
This exceeds both the Chandrasekhar limit, and the
TolmanâOppenheimerâVolkoff limit. The planet would collapse
Into a black hole.
Pt

This is Perry Rhodan so a) it doesn't matter (esp in 1963 or whenever) and
b) It's very possible there is unknown alien tech involved if anyone
cares to look into it.

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D B Davis

2020-05-09 18:44:53 UTC

That would take about 9 solar masses of material.
This exceeds both the Chandrasekhar limit, and the
Tolman???Oppenheimer???Volkoff limit. The planet would collapse
Into a black hole.

This is Perry Rhodan so a) it doesn't matter (esp in 1963 or whenever) and
b) It's very possible there is unknown alien tech involved if anyone
cares to look into it.

Interesting. As the most massive sfnal object in existence, Perry
Rhodan's ¿oeuvre? is "made up of words, and every word is a universe in
its own right. And every universe is filled with many, many questions,
all of which you can ask." [1]
Part of my motivation to post PR paraphernalia is to keep the story
straight in my own mind. Although Dorothy may wish for the whole kit and
caboodle to collapse into itself and go away, that's not likely to
happen any time soon in regards to my favorite chew toy.

Good cat almighty, Peter! You've forced me to take the Dorothy defense.
Those limit's that you mention mean absolutely nothing to me. But this
much is known: Bradbury's oeuvre continues to entertain me, even if his
stories are pure fantasy at odds with scientific fact.

Note.

[1] https://expertpages.com/news/expert_ambush.htm

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Thank you,

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Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-09 21:28:39 UTC

That would take about 9 solar masses of material.
This exceeds both the Chandrasekhar limit, and the
Tolman???Oppenheimer???Volkoff limit. The planet would collapse
Into a black hole.

This is Perry Rhodan so a) it doesn't matter (esp in 1963 or whenever) and
b) It's very possible there is unknown alien tech involved if anyone
cares to look into it.

Interesting. As the most massive sfnal object in existence, Perry
Rhodan's Â¿oeuvre? is "made up of words, and every word is a universe in
its own right. And every universe is filled with many, many questions,
all of which you can ask." [1]
Part of my motivation to post PR paraphernalia is to keep the story
straight in my own mind. Although Dorothy may wish for the whole kit and
caboodle to collapse into itself and go away, that's not likely to
happen any time soon in regards to my favorite chew toy.
Good cat almighty, Peter! You've forced me to take the Dorothy defense.
Those limit's that you mention mean absolutely nothing to me. But this
much is known: Bradbury's oeuvre continues to entertain me, even if his
stories are pure fantasy at odds with scientific fact.

Awwww, don't worry. If the thread gets too Rhodan-heavy, I'll
just killfile it.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Peter Trei

2020-05-09 22:50:32 UTC

That would take about 9 solar masses of material.
This exceeds both the Chandrasekhar limit, and the
Tolman???Oppenheimer???Volkoff limit. The planet would collapse
Into a black hole.

This is Perry Rhodan so a) it doesn't matter (esp in 1963 or whenever) and
b) It's very possible there is unknown alien tech involved if anyone
cares to look into it.

Interesting. As the most massive sfnal object in existence, Perry
Rhodan's ¿oeuvre? is "made up of words, and every word is a universe in
its own right. And every universe is filled with many, many questions,
all of which you can ask." [1]
Part of my motivation to post PR paraphernalia is to keep the story
straight in my own mind. Although Dorothy may wish for the whole kit and
caboodle to collapse into itself and go away, that's not likely to
happen any time soon in regards to my favorite chew toy.
Good cat almighty, Peter! You've forced me to take the Dorothy defense.
Those limit's that you mention mean absolutely nothing to me. But this
much is known: Bradbury's oeuvre continues to entertain me, even if his
stories are pure fantasy at odds with scientific fact.

Awwww, don't worry. If the thread gets too Rhodan-heavy, I'll
just killfile it.

Yeah, I didn't know when that PR was written; 1963 is before black holes
were much talked about outside theoretical physics circles (Chandrasekhar
did his work back in the 30's), and I'm not sure when they first appeared in
SF. The term starts to trend up in 1969. Niven's 'The Hole Man' is from 1973.
Are there any earlier candidates? Bixby's 'The Holes around Mars' is 1954,
but its not clear that's a BH.

pt

Peter Trei

2020-05-09 22:51:48 UTC

That would take about 9 solar masses of material.
This exceeds both the Chandrasekhar limit, and the
Tolman???Oppenheimer???Volkoff limit. The planet would collapse
Into a black hole.

This is Perry Rhodan so a) it doesn't matter (esp in 1963 or whenever) and
b) It's very possible there is unknown alien tech involved if anyone
cares to look into it.

Interesting. As the most massive sfnal object in existence, Perry
Rhodan's ¿oeuvre? is "made up of words, and every word is a universe in
its own right. And every universe is filled with many, many questions,
all of which you can ask." [1]
Part of my motivation to post PR paraphernalia is to keep the story
straight in my own mind. Although Dorothy may wish for the whole kit and
caboodle to collapse into itself and go away, that's not likely to
happen any time soon in regards to my favorite chew toy.
Good cat almighty, Peter! You've forced me to take the Dorothy defense.
Those limit's that you mention mean absolutely nothing to me. But this
much is known: Bradbury's oeuvre continues to entertain me, even if his
stories are pure fantasy at odds with scientific fact.

Awwww, don't worry. If the thread gets too Rhodan-heavy, I'll
just killfile it.

One thing I forgot to add: Guess what the densest large body on the Solar
System is.

Surprisingly, it's Earth.

pt

D B Davis

2020-05-10 00:29:33 UTC

Peter Trei <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Peter Trei
One thing I forgot to add: Guess what the densest large body on the Solar
System is.
Surprisingly, it's Earth.

Interesting. In that case molten metal cores and Heaviside layers must
be relatively rare.

The Ace Ackerman translation has a 1971 Copyright. The Moewig original
is titled "Die Geister von Gol." There's a third edition pulp in my
fiction nook that ends with the words:

PERRY RHODAN 3. Auflage erscheint wöchentlich im Moewig-Verlag,
8 München. ... Printed in Germany. Mai 1973.

For some unknown reason Moewig chose to print one sentence in English.
It tells readers that the third edition or print occurred in May 1973.
Other than that, there's no copyright date in my Moewig pulp that's
discernible by me. Someone smarter may know better.
At any rate, isfdb dates the original to 1961-12-22. That's good
enough for me.

☮

Thank you,

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telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Titus G

2020-05-10 04:31:54 UTC

Post by Peter Trei
One thing I forgot to add: Guess what the densest large body on the Solar
System is.
Surprisingly, it's Earth.

That is surprising. I would have guessed the overweight McGuire.

Mike Van Pelt

2020-05-11 21:02:46 UTC

Post by Peter Trei
One thing I forgot to add: Guess what the densest large body on the Solar
System is.
Surprisingly, it's Earth.

(looks a the news for a few minutes...)

The jokes just write themselves.

--
Mike Van Pelt | "I don't advise it unless you're nuts."
mvp at calweb.com | -- Ray Wilkinson, after riding out Hurricane
KE6BVH | Ike on Surfside Beach in Galveston

Christian Weisgerber

2020-05-11 23:20:04 UTC

Post by Peter Trei
Yeah, I didn't know when that PR was written; 1963 is before black holes
were much talked about outside theoretical physics circles (Chandrasekhar
did his work back in the 30's), and I'm not sure when they first appeared in
SF.

Let's be frank here: Of the early (and later) Perry Rhodan writers,
the only one with more than high school science, if that, was Kurt
Mahr, who was a trained physicist and in fact worked for the American
space program. Which makes it sort of ironical that he was the author
of #16.

Of the creators, Clark Darlton was science-illiterate[1] and K.H.
Scheer was an engineering fanboy, who was enamored with gadgets and
heavy machinery, but had a rather limited understanding of the
underlying principles.

[1] In one of his juveniles, he has a photon drive ship accelerate
until it passes the speed of light, at which point the crew
observe that the clock hands move backwards.

--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber ***@mips.inka.de

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-12 00:12:23 UTC

Post by Christian Weisgerber
Let's be frank here: Of the early (and later) Perry Rhodan writers,
the only one with more than high school science, if that, was Kurt
Mahr, who was a trained physicist and in fact worked for the American
space program. Which makes it sort of ironical that he was the author
of #16.
Of the creators, Clark Darlton was science-illiterate[1] and K.H.
Scheer was an engineering fanboy, who was enamored with gadgets and
heavy machinery, but had a rather limited understanding of the
underlying principles.

Sounds as if they were born too late. Born in the early 1900s,
they would've been perfectly suited for the gosh-wow SF of the
1920s and -30s.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Ted Nolan <tednolan>

2020-05-12 00:29:48 UTC

Sounds as if they were born too late. Born in the early 1900s,
they would've been perfectly suited for the gosh-wow SF of the
1920s and -30s.

I think their success pretty much proves they were perfectly suited
for the gosh-wow SF of their era..

--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-12 01:03:17 UTC

Sounds as if they were born too late. Born in the early 1900s,
they would've been perfectly suited for the gosh-wow SF of the
1920s and -30s.

I think their success pretty much proves they were perfectly suited
for the gosh-wow SF of their era..

You may well be right. I have never read a word of Rhodan, and I
gather you have.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

D B Davis

2020-05-12 02:49:47 UTC

Sounds as if they were born too late. Born in the early 1900s,
they would've been perfectly suited for the gosh-wow SF of the
1920s and -30s.

I think their success pretty much proves they were perfectly suited
for the gosh-wow SF of their era..

You may well be right. I have never read a word of Rhodan, and I
gather you have.

PR has creatures on Venus. It's as fantastical as Bradbury. One
interesting aspect is how PR incorporates many (?all?) sfnal fads from
the 1960s and arguably anticipates _Star Trek_ story elements.

"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.
It's the same body builder message as the DC comics guy who has sand
kicked into his face at the beach until he develops enough muscles to
entice all of the beach's bikini babes to flock to him. It's the same
sort of advertising that appears in _Astounding_. Nonetheless, Pukallus,
Hahn, and Pukallus have the goods on PR fans:

It has to be assumed that firms that sell most of their products
through ads give some thought to the sort of readership which
provides them with the greatest market. If this is so, then the
result of our statistics on advertising is not exactly a
compliment to the Perry Rhodan readership. ...

Perry Rhodan readers are considered to be interested in technical
things, but are mostly credulous and tasteless, and in need of
remedies and contacts. The column "Weapons, Karate, & Hypnosis"
implies that they would like to have power over their surroundings,
and "Magical Items & Practical Jokes"; that they have to search for
peculiarities in order to be noticed. It is left to the readers
of this essay to draw the parallels between the ideology
previously noted and this analysis. In any case it is
psychologically proven that people in need of remedies and
contacts identify with the infallible heroes of romance, and
that the bleakness of daily work in capitalism leads many people
(mainly because of strong propaganda steering) to a flight into
the adventures of so-called paraliterature rather than to
political action. [2]

As noted earlier, the future governator appeared on PR's back cover.
Maybe Pukallus, Hahn, and Pukallus have it all backwards. Perhaps
"paraliterature" [3] precedes political action.

Note.

[1] The state of my birth.

[2] https://www.depauw.edu/sfs/backissues/18/pukallus18art.htm

[3] https://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/paraliterature

On the term "paraliterature", Ursula K. Le Guin commented that
"it exists. What I'm saying is that I don't want to perpetuate
this division. So I would always put it in quotes, or do
something to show that I'm rejecting a word that I have to use".

☮

Thank you,

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Don.......My cat's )\._.,--....,'``.
telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-12 04:32:26 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Which strapping teenage poser are we talking about?
Schwarzenegger? He was certainly strapping when he was governor,
but no longer a teenager [I have never examined the age
requirements for that office, but it's got to be at least 21].

Post by D B Davis
It's the same body builder message as the DC comics guy who has sand
kicked into his face at the beach until he develops enough muscles to
entice all of the beach's bikini babes to flock to him. It's the same
sort of advertising that appears in _Astounding_. Nonetheless, Pukallus,

I think, and mind you, I'm mostly judging by myself, that most
women are less impressed by bulging muscles than most men think
they are.

Case in point: I admire the heck out of Dwayne Johnson, but not
because of his muscles, but in spite of that. He can act and
he's funny.

Post by D B Davis
It has to be assumed that firms that sell most of their products
through ads give some thought to the sort of readership which
provides them with the greatest market. If this is so, then the
result of our statistics on advertising is not exactly a
compliment to the Perry Rhodan readership. ...

You're saying that PR expects its readership to be mostly skinny
teenage males who wish they had muscles. And again, you may well
be right.

I'm now thinking of Jeremy, the teenage protagonist of _Zits_, who
has been a senior for several years now and has had a steady
girlfriend for at least that long, but is still drawn with
pipestem arms and legs.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

D B Davis

2020-05-12 05:17:09 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
ad from a PR back cover:

Loading Image...

☮

Thank you,

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telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

J. Clarke

2020-05-12 05:54:56 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

D B Davis

2020-05-12 13:57:00 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s16

00/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

Post by J. Clarke
My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

He's so young that it took me a while to recognize him. Contrary to the
theories of Pukallus, Hahn, and Pukallus, sfnal magazine ads are seldom
seen by me.
The above ad inadvertently caught my eye during a photo session for
an upcoming "Perry Rhodan mountain spin" documentary, which is soon to
be released on my website.

☮

Thank you,

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telltale tall tail /, _.. \ _\ (`._ ,.
tells tall tales.. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.'

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-12 14:05:58 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google

But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.

We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

William Hyde

2020-05-12 19:31:21 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

I met the older generation of my California relatives only once, in 1965.

All I can really recall is great-uncle Gene going on about what an overspending liberal Reagan was.

William Hyde

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-12 20:14:16 UTC

Post by William Hyde

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg
My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

I met the older generation of my California relatives only once, in 1965.
All I can really recall is great-uncle Gene going on about what an
overspending liberal Reagan was.

Heh. It all depends on where you're looking from.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

J. Clarke

2020-05-12 21:26:34 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

The mystery is why anyone would expect anything else from a Kennedy.

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-12 22:03:33 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

The mystery is why anyone would expect anything else from a Kennedy.

He was only a Kennedy by marriage, and I don't think he's married
to her any more.

We've had worse Presidents, too. We have one now.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Juho Julkunen

2020-05-12 22:55:58 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

The mystery is why anyone would expect anything else from a Kennedy.

He was only a Kennedy by marriage, and I don't think he's married
to her any more.

Yeah, that was related to his cheating problem, I think.

The mystery is why anyone would expect anyhting else from a Kennedy.

--
Juho Julkunen

Peter Trei

2020-05-13 01:17:11 UTC

Post by Juho Julkunen

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

The mystery is why anyone would expect anything else from a Kennedy.

He was only a Kennedy by marriage, and I don't think he's married
to her any more.

Yeah, that was related to his cheating problem, I think.
The mystery is why anyone would expect anyhting else from a Kennedy.

I don't think men generally pickup infidelity from their wife's family.
He had an affair, and a son, with his housekeeper.
The marriage did last 25 years, which is a pretty good run.
Pt

J. Clarke

2020-05-13 01:22:08 UTC

Post by D B Davis
"Musklen" advertisements appear on some back covers. Here readers find
none other than the strapping teenage poser who later became the
governator of our [1] state, Dorothy.

Yes, Arnold Schwarzenegger appears as a body builder in this "muskeln"
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GNmjRGmLTWo/TsfmuxoJLBI/AAAAAAAAd74/QRFmp1Nx70o/s1600/RhodanSchwarzenegger.jpg

My God he looks young in that one. He was 20 when he won Mr. Universe
so he could have been a teenager in that picture.

/google
But if my math is correct, he was fifty-six when he won the
election to replace Gray Davis.
We've had worse governors (Reagan, e.g.). The Republicans were
severely disappointed in him 'cause he turned out to be a RINO.

The mystery is why anyone would expect anything else from a Kennedy.

He was only a Kennedy by marriage, and I don't think he's married
to her any more.

Nonetheless he was in the clan. And no, they split, but he's not
Governator any more either so his politics don't really matter.

Post by Dorothy J Heydt
We've had worse Presidents, too. We have one now.

And the sad thing is that the Democrats aren't managing to come up
with anybody that the public likes much better.

Scott Lurndal

2020-05-13 14:40:52 UTC

Post by J. Clarke
And the sad thing is that the Democrats aren't managing to come up
with anybody that the public likes much better.

If by the public you mean you, c'est la vie.

But you can't extrapolate from you to the public. You have no clue
how the general public likes or dislikes Mr Biden. Neither do the
conservative media outlets you worship.

Dorothy J Heydt

2020-05-13 15:56:08 UTC

Bad editing somewhere, I definitely did not say that following.

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by J. Clarke
And the sad thing is that the Democrats aren't managing to come up
with anybody that the public likes much better.

If by the public you mean you, c'est la vie.
But you can't extrapolate from you to the public. You have no clue
how the general public likes or dislikes Mr Biden. Neither do the
conservative media outlets you worship.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Kevrob

2020-05-14 00:09:37 UTC

Seems that whoever it was isn't following the news. Biden has never
been more points ahead of Trump than Hillary was when she lost the
election.

This far out, those polls are worthless. Closer to the election, the
only ones that will be useful are historically accurate state-by
state surveys. If you have good numbers for the states that will
be close, your call of the electoral college split might be good.
As we saw, last time out, national popular vote totals aren't really
important.

There's all sorts of speculation on blogs like fivethirtyeight.com

This NYT article by Nate Cohn might be of interest.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/upshot/polls-2020-trump-biden.html

Kevin R

J. Clarke

2020-05-14 04:25:38 UTC

Post by Kevrob

Seems that whoever it was isn't following the news. Biden has never
been more points ahead of Trump than Hillary was when she lost the
election.

This far out, those polls are worthless. Closer to the election, the
only ones that will be useful are historically accurate state-by
state surveys. If you have good numbers for the states that will
be close, your call of the electoral college split might be good.
As we saw, last time out, national popular vote totals aren't really
important.
There's all sorts of speculation on blogs like fivethirtyeight.com
This NYT article by Nate Cohn might be of interest.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/12/upshot/polls-2020-trump-biden.html

The trouble with all this is that with Trump being as godawful as he
is I would expect any reasonable candidate to pull a lot more than any
Democrat is pulling. The conclusion is that people don't see the
people the Democrats are running as being any better than Trump, just
bad in a different way.

Ninapenda Jibini

2020-05-13 18:07:52 UTC

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by J. Clarke
And the sad thing is that the Democrats aren't managing to come
up with anybody that the public likes much better.

If by the public you mean you, c'est la vie.
But you can't extrapolate from you to the public. You have no
clue how the general public likes or dislikes Mr Biden. Neither
do the conservative media outlets you worship.

Neither does the liberal media outlets or the DNC leadership, any
more than they did in 2016 when they said Hillary Clinton had a
95% chance of winning.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn: https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

Paul S Person

2020-05-13 16:36:58 UTC