Discussion:
Finding new (to you) SFF to read
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Tony Nance
2024-11-11 16:00:01 UTC
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So picture yourself in a closely parallel universe:

You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.

For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.

But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.

Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
D
2024-11-11 16:12:22 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org).
I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone
mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through
mastodon.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-11-11 16:50:11 UTC
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Post by D
Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org).
I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone
mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through
mastodon.
Often nowadays an author will ask you to subscribe to his/her mailing
list and will often pitch favorite books by other authors. I've
gotten a number of decent reads from such recommendations. Of
course you have to factor in that sometimes it's just going to be
a shout out for a buddy. I find that in general the authors I've
subscribed to are pretty good about not spamming all over the place,
but I'm sure there are those who do.

And of course soon, "Write me a book I will like" will be a valid AI prompt...
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Tony Nance
2024-11-14 01:18:09 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by D
Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org).
I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone
mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through
mastodon.
Often nowadays an author will ask you to subscribe to his/her mailing
list and will often pitch favorite books by other authors. I've
gotten a number of decent reads from such recommendations. Of
course you have to factor in that sometimes it's just going to be
a shout out for a buddy. I find that in general the authors I've
subscribed to are pretty good about not spamming all over the place,
but I'm sure there are those who do.
Aha - hadn't thought about that, thanks.
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
And of course soon, "Write me a book I will like" will be a valid AI prompt...
For certain meanings of "valid"?
Paul S Person
2024-11-14 16:02:55 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by D
Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society (lfs.org).
I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes someone
mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or look through
mastodon.
Often nowadays an author will ask you to subscribe to his/her mailing
list and will often pitch favorite books by other authors. I've
gotten a number of decent reads from such recommendations. Of
course you have to factor in that sometimes it's just going to be
a shout out for a buddy. I find that in general the authors I've
subscribed to are pretty good about not spamming all over the place,
but I'm sure there are those who do.
And of course soon, "Write me a book I will like" will be a valid AI prompt...
I suspect it's a valid input /right now/. Or have you tried and found
it was rejected?

Whether anything worth reading would result is, of course, a different
issue. For /that/ we may have to wait a long, long time. Hopefully.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Tony Nance
2024-11-14 01:16:59 UTC
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Post by D
Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
From time to time I glance at the Libertarian Futurist Society
(lfs.org). I also look through reviews of books I like, and sometimes
someone mentioned similar books. I might do a crude ddg.gg search, or
look through mastodon.
Good to know, thanks.
- Tony
Lynn McGuire
2024-11-11 23:16:06 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/

Lynn
Tony Nance
2024-11-14 01:18:26 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Lynn
Excellent - thanks!
Lynn McGuire
2024-11-14 02:10:08 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
You enjoy SFF, and want to find things you like, and
you know there are zillions of works out there, but it's
hard to sift through it all.
For many years you've been very successfully using
an old but useful tool called an Oozenet newsgroup
as your primary way to sniff out new (to you) stuff
to try. Part of Oozenet's value has been your familiarity
with those who participate in the newsgroup.
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
- Tony
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Lynn
Excellent - thanks!
There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit BTW.
I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic). Here is
another one:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/

Lynn
Ahasuerus
2024-11-17 23:54:45 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
[snip-snip]
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Excellent - thanks!
There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit BTW.
I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic).  Here is
   https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/
Both /r/printSF and /r/Fantasy are worth a look. /r/PrintSF is a
moderate-volume low-drama subreddit with a decent number of
knowledgeable contributors who have different tastes. Some like Watts
and Egan, others like Le Guin, Banks, Butler, Pratchett, etc. In theory,
it covers all types of *published* speculative books/magazines, but most
discussions are about science fiction.

/r/Fantasy is a high-volume subreddit. Like /r/PrintSF, it covers all
kinds of speculative fiction plus SF games, movies, etc. In reality,
however, it's mostly about fantasy, especially books. Contributors vary
greatly, from very new to the genre to experienced SF authors. Also, it
is more likely to contain threads like "A fantasy series that will make
me cry and obliterate me" and "Am I the only one crying with [author
name's] books?".

/r/WormFanfic is for discussions of fanfiction based on the work of John
C. "Wildbow" McCrae, especially his first Web serial _Worm_ (2011-2013,
1.67 million words). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worm_(web_serial) has
a plot outline, which includes massive spoilers. (Note that _Worm_
spoilers are a very big deal because the serial is one huge secret
history, which we learn about one layer at a time.)

Since _Worm_ is so long and covers so many things -- interesting
superpowers, trauma, world-building, clever subplots which you don't
even recognize as such until the end of the serial, etc -- Worm-based
fanfics tend to concentrate on a subset of the issues explored in the
_Worm_ canon. Some authors are interested in character trauma. Some are
after "cool powers". Some like to write "fix fics". At this point more
than 15,000 Worm fics have been posted.

The result is that different types of fics tend to be published on
different Web sites with different reader expectations and different
moderation rules. /r/WormFanfic covers all of them (with limits imposed
on discussions of NSFW fics), although their heterogeneity occasionally
makes it a challenge.
Lynn McGuire
2024-11-18 21:00:58 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
[snip-snip]
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Excellent - thanks!
There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit
BTW. I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic).
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/
Both /r/printSF and /r/Fantasy are worth a look. /r/PrintSF is a
moderate-volume low-drama subreddit with a decent number of
knowledgeable contributors who have different tastes. Some like Watts
and Egan, others like Le Guin, Banks, Butler, Pratchett, etc. In theory,
it covers all types of *published* speculative books/magazines, but most
discussions are about science fiction.
/r/Fantasy is a high-volume subreddit. Like /r/PrintSF, it covers all
kinds of speculative fiction plus SF games, movies, etc. In reality,
however, it's mostly about fantasy, especially books. Contributors vary
greatly, from very new to the genre to experienced SF authors. Also, it
is more likely to contain threads like "A fantasy series that will make
me cry and obliterate me" and "Am I the only one crying with [author
name's] books?".
/r/WormFanfic is for discussions of fanfiction based on the work of John
C. "Wildbow" McCrae, especially his first Web serial _Worm_ (2011-2013,
1.67 million words). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worm_(web_serial) has
a plot outline, which includes massive spoilers. (Note that _Worm_
spoilers are a very big deal because the serial is one huge secret
history, which we learn about one layer at a time.)
Since _Worm_ is so long and covers so many things -- interesting
superpowers, trauma, world-building, clever subplots which you don't
even recognize as such until the end of the serial, etc -- Worm-based
fanfics tend to concentrate on a subset of the issues explored in the
_Worm_ canon. Some authors are interested in character trauma. Some are
after "cool powers". Some like to write "fix fics". At this point more
than 15,000 Worm fics have been posted.
The result is that different types of fics tend to be published on
different Web sites with different reader expectations and different
moderation rules. /r/WormFanfic covers all of them (with limits imposed
on discussions of NSFW fics), although their heterogeneity occasionally
makes it a challenge.
I was wondering when you would jump in. I am reading "Callsign: Owl" at
the moment.

https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/callsign-owl.87596/#post-19481594

Lynn
Tony Nance
2024-11-22 20:51:33 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
[snip-snip]
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Excellent - thanks!
There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit
BTW. I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic).
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/
Both /r/printSF and /r/Fantasy are worth a look. /r/PrintSF is a
moderate-volume low-drama subreddit with a decent number of
knowledgeable contributors who have different tastes. Some like Watts
and Egan, others like Le Guin, Banks, Butler, Pratchett, etc. In theory,
it covers all types of *published* speculative books/magazines, but most
discussions are about science fiction.
/r/Fantasy is a high-volume subreddit. Like /r/PrintSF, it covers all
kinds of speculative fiction plus SF games, movies, etc. In reality,
however, it's mostly about fantasy, especially books. Contributors vary
greatly, from very new to the genre to experienced SF authors. Also, it
is more likely to contain threads like "A fantasy series that will make
me cry and obliterate me" and "Am I the only one crying with [author
name's] books?".
Excellent - many thanks. Seems like both will be very helpful.

Also thanks for the info about Worm (below). I'm not big on fanfiction,
but I fully expect to give Worm itself a try some time.

Tony
Post by Ahasuerus
/r/WormFanfic is for discussions of fanfiction based on the work of John
C. "Wildbow" McCrae, especially his first Web serial _Worm_ (2011-2013,
1.67 million words). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worm_(web_serial) has
a plot outline, which includes massive spoilers. (Note that _Worm_
spoilers are a very big deal because the serial is one huge secret
history, which we learn about one layer at a time.)
Since _Worm_ is so long and covers so many things -- interesting
superpowers, trauma, world-building, clever subplots which you don't
even recognize as such until the end of the serial, etc -- Worm-based
fanfics tend to concentrate on a subset of the issues explored in the
_Worm_ canon. Some authors are interested in character trauma. Some are
after "cool powers". Some like to write "fix fics". At this point more
than 15,000 Worm fics have been posted.
The result is that different types of fics tend to be published on
different Web sites with different reader expectations and different
moderation rules. /r/WormFanfic covers all of them (with limits imposed
on discussions of NSFW fics), although their heterogeneity occasionally
makes it a challenge.
Lynn McGuire
2024-11-22 21:04:20 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
[snip-snip]
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Excellent - thanks!
There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit
BTW. I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic).
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/
Both /r/printSF and /r/Fantasy are worth a look. /r/PrintSF is a
moderate-volume low-drama subreddit with a decent number of
knowledgeable contributors who have different tastes. Some like Watts
and Egan, others like Le Guin, Banks, Butler, Pratchett, etc. In
theory, it covers all types of *published* speculative books/
magazines, but most discussions are about science fiction.
/r/Fantasy is a high-volume subreddit. Like /r/PrintSF, it covers all
kinds of speculative fiction plus SF games, movies, etc. In reality,
however, it's mostly about fantasy, especially books. Contributors
vary greatly, from very new to the genre to experienced SF authors.
Also, it is more likely to contain threads like "A fantasy series that
will make me cry and obliterate me" and "Am I the only one crying with
[author name's] books?".
Excellent - many thanks. Seems like both will be very helpful.
Also thanks for the info about Worm (below). I'm not big on fanfiction,
but I fully expect to give Worm itself a try some time.
Tony
Post by Ahasuerus
/r/WormFanfic is for discussions of fanfiction based on the work of
John C. "Wildbow" McCrae, especially his first Web serial _Worm_
(2011-2013, 1.67 million words). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Worm_(web_serial) has a plot outline, which includes massive spoilers.
(Note that _Worm_ spoilers are a very big deal because the serial is
one huge secret history, which we learn about one layer at a time.)
Since _Worm_ is so long and covers so many things -- interesting
superpowers, trauma, world-building, clever subplots which you don't
even recognize as such until the end of the serial, etc -- Worm-based
fanfics tend to concentrate on a subset of the issues explored in the
_Worm_ canon. Some authors are interested in character trauma. Some
are after "cool powers". Some like to write "fix fics". At this point
more than 15,000 Worm fics have been posted.
The result is that different types of fics tend to be published on
different Web sites with different reader expectations and different
moderation rules. /r/WormFanfic covers all of them (with limits
imposed on discussions of NSFW fics), although their heterogeneity
occasionally makes it a challenge.
I found Worm ( https://parahumans.wordpress.com/ ) to be too dark for me
even though I did eventually finish it. I actually got lost near the
end of Worm due to all of the threads crashing at the same time.

I vastly prefer Taylor Varga (
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/taylor-varga-worm-luna-varga.32119/
). A serious look at "cool powers".

I am reading "Callsign: Owl" (
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/callsign-owl.87596/#post-19481594
) at the moment. To say that it is crazy is an understatement.

Lynn
Tony Nance
2024-11-22 21:21:01 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Ahasuerus
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
[snip-snip]
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/
Excellent - thanks!
There are about 10 or 20 SF (speculative fiction) groups on reddit
BTW. I have already gotten thrown out of one of them (wormfanfic).
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/
Both /r/printSF and /r/Fantasy are worth a look. /r/PrintSF is a
moderate-volume low-drama subreddit with a decent number of
knowledgeable contributors who have different tastes. Some like Watts
and Egan, others like Le Guin, Banks, Butler, Pratchett, etc. In
theory, it covers all types of *published* speculative books/
magazines, but most discussions are about science fiction.
/r/Fantasy is a high-volume subreddit. Like /r/PrintSF, it covers all
kinds of speculative fiction plus SF games, movies, etc. In reality,
however, it's mostly about fantasy, especially books. Contributors
vary greatly, from very new to the genre to experienced SF authors.
Also, it is more likely to contain threads like "A fantasy series
that will make me cry and obliterate me" and "Am I the only one
crying with [author name's] books?".
Excellent - many thanks. Seems like both will be very helpful.
Also thanks for the info about Worm (below). I'm not big on
fanfiction, but I fully expect to give Worm itself a try some time.
Tony
Post by Ahasuerus
/r/WormFanfic is for discussions of fanfiction based on the work of
John C. "Wildbow" McCrae, especially his first Web serial _Worm_
(2011-2013, 1.67 million words). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Worm_(web_serial) has a plot outline, which includes massive
spoilers. (Note that _Worm_ spoilers are a very big deal because the
serial is one huge secret history, which we learn about one layer at
a time.)
Since _Worm_ is so long and covers so many things -- interesting
superpowers, trauma, world-building, clever subplots which you don't
even recognize as such until the end of the serial, etc -- Worm-based
fanfics tend to concentrate on a subset of the issues explored in the
_Worm_ canon. Some authors are interested in character trauma. Some
are after "cool powers". Some like to write "fix fics". At this point
more than 15,000 Worm fics have been posted.
The result is that different types of fics tend to be published on
different Web sites with different reader expectations and different
moderation rules. /r/WormFanfic covers all of them (with limits
imposed on discussions of NSFW fics), although their heterogeneity
occasionally makes it a challenge.
I found Worm ( https://parahumans.wordpress.com/ ) to be too dark for me
even though I did eventually finish it.  I actually got lost near the
end of Worm due to all of the threads crashing at the same time.
I vastly prefer Taylor Varga (
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/taylor-varga-worm-luna-varga.32119/ ).  A serious look at "cool powers".
I am reading "Callsign: Owl" (
https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/callsign-owl.87596/#post-19481594 ) at the moment.  To say that it is crazy is an understatement.
Lynn
Excellent! More good info to chew on - thanks for all that.
- Tony
Lynn McGuire
2024-11-22 22:40:13 UTC
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On 11/22/2024 3:21 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
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Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
I found Worm ( https://parahumans.wordpress.com/ ) to be too dark for
me even though I did eventually finish it.  I actually got lost near
the end of Worm due to all of the threads crashing at the same time.
I vastly prefer Taylor Varga ( https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
threads/taylor-varga-worm-luna-varga.32119/ ).  A serious look at
"cool powers".
I am reading "Callsign: Owl" ( https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
threads/callsign-owl.87596/#post-19481594 ) at the moment.  To say
that it is crazy is an understatement.
Lynn
Excellent! More good info to chew on - thanks for all that.
- Tony
Here is a list of everything by the "Taylor Varga" author:

https://wormstorysearch.com/?is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=mp3&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true

Here is a list of the awesome "Memories of Iron" author (Taylor gets the
memories of Tony Stark after the Celestial ate Earth Alpha (Awesome !)).
Sadly, he passed away in 2016 just as he finished the first arc of
"Memories of Iron".

https://wormstorysearch.com/?is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=becuz&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true

Anything with a rating over 500 is probably good enough for the price
(free !).

Lynn
Tony Nance
2024-11-23 00:20:50 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
...
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Lynn McGuire
I found Worm ( https://parahumans.wordpress.com/ ) to be too dark for
me even though I did eventually finish it.  I actually got lost near
the end of Worm due to all of the threads crashing at the same time.
I vastly prefer Taylor Varga ( https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
threads/taylor-varga-worm-luna-varga.32119/ ).  A serious look at
"cool powers".
I am reading "Callsign: Owl" ( https://forums.sufficientvelocity.com/
threads/callsign-owl.87596/#post-19481594 ) at the moment.  To say
that it is crazy is an understatement.
Lynn
Excellent! More good info to chew on - thanks for all that.
- Tony
https://wormstorysearch.com/?is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=mp3&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true
Here is a list of the awesome "Memories of Iron" author (Taylor gets the
memories of Tony Stark after the Celestial ate Earth Alpha (Awesome !)).
 Sadly, he passed away in 2016 just as he finished the first arc of
"Memories of Iron".
https://wormstorysearch.com/?is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=becuz&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true
Anything with a rating over 500 is probably good enough for the price
(free !).
And thank you for this too!
- Tony
Ahasuerus
2024-11-24 16:19:15 UTC
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On 11/22/2024 3:51 PM, Tony Nance wrote:
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Post by Tony Nance
Also thanks for the info about Worm (below). I'm not big on fanfiction,
but I fully expect to give Worm itself a try some time.
Much depends on how we define "fanfiction". Authors writing sequels to
works by other authors goes way back. In the 19th century, Jules Verne
wrote a sequel to Edgar Allan Poe's _The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym
of Nantucket_ and a sequel to Johann David Wyss's _The Swiss Family
Robinson_. In the 1930s, H. P. Lovecraft opened the Cthulhu Cycle to his
friends and correspondents and the resulting universe has been going
strong ever since. L. Sprague de Camp, Lin Carter and others revived
Robert E. Howard's Conan years after Howard's death and turned it into a
major franchise in the 1950s-1980s. Dracula, Sherlock Holmes, Superman,
Batman, Spiderman and other popular characters have been done by
hundreds (if not thousands) of professional authors. Etc.

On the crossover side -- crossovers are the bread and butter of
fanfiction -- Jules Verne's _The Mysterious Island_ (1875) was a
crossover between two of his better known novels. _The Petrified Planet_
(1952) was explicitly designed as a playground for multiple authors. So
was, a quarter century later, _Thieves' World_, whose success encouraged
other "shared worlds" which took off in the 1980s. DC's _Zatanna's
Search_ was a crossover series in 1964-1967. Marvel's semi-regular
crossover series started in 1984 with _Secret Wars_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Wars).

If we limit "fanfiction" to amateur works, then it was the Star Trek
fandom that popularized it in the early 1970s. When the term "Mary Sue"
was coined in 1973 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue), it was to
describe what was already a well known phenomenon. By the early 1990s
crossover fanfics were common on Usenet -- see _The Universal Science
Fiction Parody_ (http://www.eyrie.net/derek/JuraiNet/USFP/index.html),
explicitly a parody of "vs" debates and crossover fics. When Usenet
became widely available via AOL and then via the internet in 1993-1994,
fanfics began spreading online. Some years later, in the 2000s and
2010s, high speed internet made it easier to access all kinds of media
-- anime, books, comics, games, etc -- which created further incentives
for writing and reading fanfiction.

Re: fanfic's quality, I can handle indifferently (sometimes even poorly)
written stories as long as they contain elements that I am interested
in. After all, almost all magazine science fiction published prior to
the first Golden Age (1939-1942) was objectively poorly written, but it
contained elements that attracted a certain type of reader and,
eventually, led to much bigger and better things.

The Worm fandom is somewhat unusual compared to other fandoms, perhaps
because most canon characters vary from "deeply flawed" to "makes Dr.
Josef Mengele vomit" for reasons that become clear later on. It attracts
both fanfic authors who want to make everything better (like the author
of _Taylor Varga_ mentioned earlier) and authors who want to write
depressed, flawed, messed up, etc characters.
Lynn McGuire
2024-11-25 22:56:22 UTC
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On 11/24/2024 10:19 AM, Ahasuerus wrote:
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Post by Ahasuerus
The Worm fandom is somewhat unusual compared to other fandoms, perhaps
because most canon characters vary from "deeply flawed" to "makes Dr.
Josef Mengele vomit" for reasons that become clear later on. It attracts
both fanfic authors who want to make everything better (like the author
of _Taylor Varga_ mentioned earlier) and authors who want to write
depressed, flawed, messed up, etc characters.
The author of "Taylor Varga" also wrote this story which is quite dark:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12405120/1/She-Summons-Sea-Things-by-the-Sea-Shore

From

https://wormstorysearch.com/?is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=mp3&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true

Lynn
Ahasuerus
2024-11-26 02:07:44 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
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Post by Ahasuerus
The Worm fandom is somewhat unusual compared to other fandoms, perhaps
because most canon characters vary from "deeply flawed" to "makes Dr.
Josef Mengele vomit" for reasons that become clear later on. It
attracts both fanfic authors who want to make everything better (like
the author of _Taylor Varga_ mentioned earlier) and authors who want
to write depressed, flawed, messed up, etc characters.
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12405120/1/She-Summons-Sea-Things-by-the-
Sea-Shore
From
https://wormstorysearch.com/?
is_nsfw_eq=any&story_keywords=mp3&page=1&limit=20&sort=stories.rating&direction=desc&searching=true
Checking my notes, I see that I have read (or attempted to read) 15 of
the 17 listed stories. My favorite is the novella _Insect Outside_ (21K
words, https://archiveofourown.org/works/11861061/chapters/26780430),
which is a bit longer than it has to be, but it does "optimistic
existential terror" and "involuntary transhumanism" quite well. "She
Summons Sea Things by the Sea Shore" is, at 8K words, also a bit longer
than strictly necessary, but is decent-to-good otherwise.

I gave the rest of mp3.1415payer's fics anywhere between 5/10 and 5.8/10
where "5/10" is "mediocre" and "6/10" is "decent". Mind you, even his
Post by Lynn McGuire
They said the best revenge was living well. It was possible they were
wrong, and the best revenge was *revenge*, but Taylor was willing to
give the first option a try. For now. ["Vespa"]

but they drown in a sea of giggles and repetitive mutual back-patting.
Tony Nance
2024-11-14 01:19:02 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
But as your Oozenet newsgroup waxes and wanes, and
you find yourself wanting to augment your reliable
sifting with 1-2 other sources.
Where do you go to help you find new things to read?
I read everything nominated for a Hugo or a Nebula, and everything
that I can published by NESFA Press.
--scott
Thanks! I have indeed had good luck with NESFA stuff.
- Tony
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