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Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
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Tony Nance
2024-07-01 19:56:58 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024

Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
using a very primitive rating system:
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse

I’m happy to answer questions about anything on the list.


Highlights - Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]

Lowlights - Hm … nothing was a “lowlight” this month


Here’s a quick summary of what’s more in-depth below:
Northworld Trilogy - Drake, comprised of:
( ++ 1/2 ) Northworld: Justice - Drake [Northworld #3]
( ++ ) Northworld: Vengeance - Drake [Northworld #2]
( ++ 1/2 ) Northworld - Drake [Northworld #1]
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]
( nr ) The Vorkosigan Companion - ed. by Lillian Stewart Carl & John Helfers
( +++ ) Shadow’s Blade - Coe [Justis Fearsson #3]
( ++ ) The Death of the Necromancer - Wells [Ile-Rien #2]
( +++ - ) Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]

Now Reading:
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Collection - The Wisdom of Father Brown - G.K. Chesterton

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June 2024
Northworld Trilogy - Drake, comprised of:
( ++ 1/2 ) Northworld: Justice - Drake [Northworld #3]
( ++ ) Northworld: Vengeance - Drake [Northworld #2]
( ++ 1/2 ) Northworld - Drake [Northworld #1]

I didn’t read these consecutively, but it makes no sense to cover them
separately. Very early in book #1, Nils Hansen is taken from his job as
the leader of a law enforcement Special Unit on his world and forced to
undertake a one-man mission to Northworld - named such because space
explorer Captain North and his team disappeared shortly after finding
the world, as did the next two teams sent to investigate.

Northworld itself is pretty much a Middle Ages setting in most ways, but
with high-tech battlesuits. We learn partway through the first book that
Northworld is connected — in a very special, restricted way called The
Matrix[1] — to 8 other worlds, including one inhabited by North himself
and seven of his companions. North and Hansen have different views on
how war and peace should be handled on Northworld, resulting in
open-but-indirect conflict between them, using Northworld inhabitants as
proxies. The way Hansen handles this conflict in book #2 leads to issues
that need to be addressed in #3. The trilogy concludes satisfactorily
with almost everything resolved. To my knowledge, Drake didn’t write any
other books in this universe.

( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]
Great! This one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful Passage
deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent while
trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build reliable
trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting opportunities are
pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.

( nr ) The Vorkosigan Companion - ed. by Lillian Stewart Carl & John Helfers
This had many interesting essays and pieces of info. I have a 2008
edition that came out after Diplomatic Immunity and Winterfair Gifts,
and before Cryoburn - it even includes an excerpt from Cryoburn at the
end. It's almost 700 pages long, and is broken into 5 sections ("Parts")
plus 3 appendices. The sections are made of various essays, interviews,
and articles, plus a concordance that takes up just under 300 pages of
Part 5 "The Vorkosiverse Itself". Well worth leafing through haphazardly
if you are a fan of Bujold or the series.

( +++ ) Shadow’s Blade - Coe [Justis Fearsson #3]
The best (and last) of the series - it’s too bad he hasn’t written more
of them. The McGuffin driving the plot is a powerful artefact that used
to be in the possession of a neutral powerful weremyste who kept it well
off everybody’s radar (including never using it). It is now in the hands
of a maybe-neutral weremyste who only wants to protect herself and her
kids. Our favorite ex-cop-now-PI weremyste Justis Fearsson gets called
in to find/help her. Justis is still sharp and clever, and along the
way, he starts to become more knowledgeable about his weremyste abilities.

( ++ ) The Death of the Necromancer - Wells [Ile-Rien #2]
Good/fine; Slow starter, but gets pretty good roughly 1/3 of the way in.
Takes place over 100 years after #1, and the people & events of #1 are
pretty far in the background. The setting is similar - no big changes or
innovations. In response to his foster father being framed and executed
(years before the events of this book) Nicholas Valiarde turns to a
secret life of thievery, aimed at specific well-chosen targets, assisted
by a team of people who (mostly) were also wronged by the legal system.
In the midst of a grand scheme, some of his foster father’s magical
research appears, being used for nefarious purposes; so Nicholas &
company investigate. There’s a trilogy set about 20+ years after this
volume which I probably will not read.

( +++ - ) Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.

Now Reading:
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Collection - The Wisdom of Father Brown - G.K. Chesterton

Tony
[1] The third of these books was published about 7 years before the
first Matrix movie came out, and I’d be very surprised to learn about
any loose inspirational connections between Drake’s Matrix and the movies.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-07-01 20:53:24 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]
Great! This one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful Passage
deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent while
trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build reliable
trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting opportunities are
pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.
Time for me to get back to this series! Have we heard how much is still
in the pipeline, or whether Lee will be continuing them solo?
Post by Tony Nance
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Vimes/The Guards are my favorite Pratchett sub-sequence!
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2024-07-02 01:24:04 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]
Great! This one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful Passage
deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent while
trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build reliable
trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting opportunities are
pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.
Time for me to get back to this series! Have we heard how much is still
in the pipeline, or whether Lee will be continuing them solo?
At least two, and yes.

Ribbon Dance comes out in a few hours.

---
What I can say is this: There are three Liaden Universe® novels now under
contract with Baen Books. I am currently lead on one of those, the sequel to
Ribbon Dance. In addition, before Steve’s death and the attendant dis- and
re-organizations engendered by that cataclysm, I was making notes for the sequel
to the sequel. Steve was lead on Trade Lanes, which had become increasingly
difficult for him as his heart slowly failed him. I may or may not be able,
eventually, to finish Trade Lanes. If not, another Liaden book will fill the
third slot.

... Summing up, and realizing that there are no guarantees, it is my intention
to continue to write Liaden books and Liaden stories. New titles will be
published as by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller, because that will be nothing more
nor less than the truth.
---

-- from https://korval.com/2024/05/12/from-the-mail-bag/

-dsr-
Scott Lurndal
2024-07-02 14:18:44 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]
Great! This one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful Passage
deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent while
trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build reliable
trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting opportunities are
pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.
Time for me to get back to this series! Have we heard how much is still
in the pipeline, or whether Lee will be continuing them solo?
At least two, and yes.
Ribbon Dance comes out in a few hours.
The ARC has been available for a few months, and the first
few chapters are up on the publishers website.

Shan and Padi are still out in the dust.
Tony Nance
2024-07-02 18:26:55 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]
Great! This one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful Passage
deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent while
trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build reliable
trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting opportunities are
pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.
Time for me to get back to this series! Have we heard how much is still
in the pipeline, or whether Lee will be continuing them solo?
At least two, and yes.
Ribbon Dance comes out in a few hours.
---
What I can say is this: There are three Liaden Universe® novels now under
contract with Baen Books. I am currently lead on one of those, the sequel to
Ribbon Dance. In addition, before Steve’s death and the attendant dis- and
re-organizations engendered by that cataclysm, I was making notes for the sequel
to the sequel. Steve was lead on Trade Lanes, which had become increasingly
difficult for him as his heart slowly failed him. I may or may not be able,
eventually, to finish Trade Lanes. If not, another Liaden book will fill the
third slot.
... Summing up, and realizing that there are no guarantees, it is my intention
to continue to write Liaden books and Liaden stories. New titles will be
published as by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller, because that will be nothing more
nor less than the truth.
---
-- from https://korval.com/2024/05/12/from-the-mail-bag/
-dsr-
That's great to know - thanks for passing it along.
- Tony
Titus G
2024-07-02 05:54:35 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse
snip
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ - )  Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.
Isn't Fleet Elements Praxis #2 ?

My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series and I also enjoyed
Dread Empire's Fall which even improved with book three but though I
enjoyed The Accidental War (Praxis #1), I thought it too implausible
and I did not finish Fleet Elements because there was too much
redundancy or repetition and it was too similar to Dread Empires Fall
which I had just reread prior to beginning the Praxis series. So I am
not familiar with the puzzling incident.
Tony Nance
2024-07-02 16:56:50 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse
snip
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ - )  Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.
Isn't Fleet Elements Praxis #2 ?
The three Dread Empire's Fall books are generally considered to be
Praxis #1 to #3 - consider that #1 is titled "The Praxis".
Post by Titus G
My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series and I also enjoyed
Dread Empire's Fall which even improved with book three but though I
enjoyed The Accidental War (Praxis #1), I thought it too implausible
I remember thinking The Accidental War was a tough go, and for all the
plot advancement it achieved could have been a pamphlet instead of a
book. Gratefully -- some years later -- I found myself enjoying Fleet
Elements.
Post by Titus G
and I did not finish Fleet Elements because there was too much
redundancy or repetition and it was too similar to Dread Empires Fall
which I had just reread prior to beginning the Praxis series. So I am
not familiar with the puzzling incident.
I'll put a spoiler for the incident after my sign-off.
- Tony

Big spoiler for Fleet Elements below...




No, really, it's a big spoiler...




Well okay, you've been warned...



Throughout the book, Lamey has been struggling to line up investors for
his financial scheming and has been more and more overtly threatening
Sula (definitely blackmail, and also hinting at physical violence) if
she doesn't come through for him.

Toward the end of the book, Lamey meets with Sula alone, and as the
conversation doesn't go the way Lamey wants, he sucker-punches her in
the gut and reaches for her face/jaw as she's bent over. She shoots him,
he dies, and Martinez is the first one to enter in the immediate aftermath.

Ok, fine...Lamey has been threatening her, he assaulted her, it wasn't
clear the assault would stop, and she killed him. Here's the puzzling part:

Both Martinez and Sula act like she's done the most heinous thing
imaginable, they immediately contrive to hide/destroy the body and all
of the evidence, and of course since she now has the worst cooties ever,
Martinez decides she needs to be assigned to an extremely distant part
of the fleet, certainly nowhere near him, and now he never wants to see
her again.

What? Did I miss something plausible?
Titus G
2024-07-03 04:59:20 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse
snip
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ - )  Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.
snip
Post by Tony Nance
I'll put a spoiler for the incident after my sign-off.
- Tony
Big spoiler for Fleet Elements below...
Thank you. I agree that that sounds strange and out of character.
Paul S Person
2024-07-03 15:27:00 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse
snip
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ - )  Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.
Isn't Fleet Elements Praxis #2 ?
The three Dread Empire's Fall books are generally considered to be
Praxis #1 to #3 - consider that #1 is titled "The Praxis".
Post by Titus G
My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series and I also enjoyed
Dread Empire's Fall which even improved with book three but though I
enjoyed The Accidental War (Praxis #1), I thought it too implausible
I remember thinking The Accidental War was a tough go, and for all the
plot advancement it achieved could have been a pamphlet instead of a
book. Gratefully -- some years later -- I found myself enjoying Fleet
Elements.
Post by Titus G
and I did not finish Fleet Elements because there was too much
redundancy or repetition and it was too similar to Dread Empires Fall
which I had just reread prior to beginning the Praxis series. So I am
not familiar with the puzzling incident.
I'll put a spoiler for the incident after my sign-off.
- Tony
Big spoiler for Fleet Elements below...
No, really, it's a big spoiler...
Well okay, you've been warned...
Throughout the book, Lamey has been struggling to line up investors for
his financial scheming and has been more and more overtly threatening
Sula (definitely blackmail, and also hinting at physical violence) if
she doesn't come through for him.
Toward the end of the book, Lamey meets with Sula alone, and as the
conversation doesn't go the way Lamey wants, he sucker-punches her in
the gut and reaches for her face/jaw as she's bent over. She shoots him,
he dies, and Martinez is the first one to enter in the immediate aftermath.
Ok, fine...Lamey has been threatening her, he assaulted her, it wasn't
Both Martinez and Sula act like she's done the most heinous thing
imaginable, they immediately contrive to hide/destroy the body and all
of the evidence, and of course since she now has the worst cooties ever,
Martinez decides she needs to be assigned to an extremely distant part
of the fleet, certainly nowhere near him, and now he never wants to see
her again.
What? Did I miss something plausible?
I have no idea.

Perhaps their culture is very strict about killing people for personal
reasons and does not recognize an ongoing assault as an excuse. Is
Lamey, by any chance, her superior officer in a military organization?
Or is the "fleet" some non-military entity? Are there other factors
(is the culture sexist, with males in charge, for example)?
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
Tony Nance
2024-07-03 18:25:18 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse
snip
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ - )  Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.
Isn't Fleet Elements Praxis #2 ?
The three Dread Empire's Fall books are generally considered to be
Praxis #1 to #3 - consider that #1 is titled "The Praxis".
Post by Titus G
My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series and I also enjoyed
Dread Empire's Fall which even improved with book three but though I
enjoyed The Accidental War (Praxis #1), I thought it too implausible
I remember thinking The Accidental War was a tough go, and for all the
plot advancement it achieved could have been a pamphlet instead of a
book. Gratefully -- some years later -- I found myself enjoying Fleet
Elements.
Post by Titus G
and I did not finish Fleet Elements because there was too much
redundancy or repetition and it was too similar to Dread Empires Fall
which I had just reread prior to beginning the Praxis series. So I am
not familiar with the puzzling incident.
I'll put a spoiler for the incident after my sign-off.
- Tony
Big spoiler for Fleet Elements below...
No, really, it's a big spoiler...
Well okay, you've been warned...
Throughout the book, Lamey has been struggling to line up investors for
his financial scheming and has been more and more overtly threatening
Sula (definitely blackmail, and also hinting at physical violence) if
she doesn't come through for him.
Toward the end of the book, Lamey meets with Sula alone, and as the
conversation doesn't go the way Lamey wants, he sucker-punches her in
the gut and reaches for her face/jaw as she's bent over. She shoots him,
he dies, and Martinez is the first one to enter in the immediate aftermath.
Ok, fine...Lamey has been threatening her, he assaulted her, it wasn't
Both Martinez and Sula act like she's done the most heinous thing
imaginable, they immediately contrive to hide/destroy the body and all
of the evidence, and of course since she now has the worst cooties ever,
Martinez decides she needs to be assigned to an extremely distant part
of the fleet, certainly nowhere near him, and now he never wants to see
her again.
What? Did I miss something plausible?
I have no idea.
Perhaps their culture is very strict about killing people for personal
reasons and does not recognize an ongoing assault as an excuse. Is
Lamey, by any chance, her superior officer in a military organization?
Or is the "fleet" some non-military entity? Are there other factors
(is the culture sexist, with males in charge, for example)?
Not in this case - this book being #5 in this series, we (the readers)
know that Lamey is a devious civilian with a sketchy past, and Sula is a
military hero[1] with a sketchy almost-buried past - Lamey being
probably the only character that knows Sula's past, hence the threat of
blackmail.

Tony
[1] Possibly the only military person more heroic and esteemed than Sula
is Martinez.
Paul S Person
2024-07-04 15:43:34 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - June 2024
Books are listed in reverse chronological order from how I read them,
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-“ are not good, and more “-“ are worse
snip
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ - )  Fleet Elements - Williams [Praxis #5]
Good! Lots of intrigue, lots of space action, some unexpected events. An
incident near the end is handled in a very puzzling way (imho), and the
way it’s handled will influence book #6 greatly, where the Terran forces
vs the Zanshaa forces will surely come to a head.
Isn't Fleet Elements Praxis #2 ?
The three Dread Empire's Fall books are generally considered to be
Praxis #1 to #3 - consider that #1 is titled "The Praxis".
Post by Titus G
My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series and I also enjoyed
Dread Empire's Fall which even improved with book three but though I
enjoyed The Accidental War (Praxis #1), I thought it too implausible
I remember thinking The Accidental War was a tough go, and for all the
plot advancement it achieved could have been a pamphlet instead of a
book. Gratefully -- some years later -- I found myself enjoying Fleet
Elements.
Post by Titus G
and I did not finish Fleet Elements because there was too much
redundancy or repetition and it was too similar to Dread Empires Fall
which I had just reread prior to beginning the Praxis series. So I am
not familiar with the puzzling incident.
I'll put a spoiler for the incident after my sign-off.
- Tony
Big spoiler for Fleet Elements below...
No, really, it's a big spoiler...
Well okay, you've been warned...
Throughout the book, Lamey has been struggling to line up investors for
his financial scheming and has been more and more overtly threatening
Sula (definitely blackmail, and also hinting at physical violence) if
she doesn't come through for him.
Toward the end of the book, Lamey meets with Sula alone, and as the
conversation doesn't go the way Lamey wants, he sucker-punches her in
the gut and reaches for her face/jaw as she's bent over. She shoots him,
he dies, and Martinez is the first one to enter in the immediate aftermath.
Ok, fine...Lamey has been threatening her, he assaulted her, it wasn't
Both Martinez and Sula act like she's done the most heinous thing
imaginable, they immediately contrive to hide/destroy the body and all
of the evidence, and of course since she now has the worst cooties ever,
Martinez decides she needs to be assigned to an extremely distant part
of the fleet, certainly nowhere near him, and now he never wants to see
her again.
What? Did I miss something plausible?
I have no idea.
Perhaps their culture is very strict about killing people for personal
reasons and does not recognize an ongoing assault as an excuse. Is
Lamey, by any chance, her superior officer in a military organization?
Or is the "fleet" some non-military entity? Are there other factors
(is the culture sexist, with males in charge, for example)?
Not in this case - this book being #5 in this series, we (the readers)
know that Lamey is a devious civilian with a sketchy past, and Sula is a
military hero[1] with a sketchy almost-buried past - Lamey being
probably the only character that knows Sula's past, hence the threat of
blackmail.
Then perhaps they are concerned that her sketchy past will be revealed
in any investigation. Or that, discovering the blackmail, the
investigators will decide that they have discovered a Motive.

But I am just firing at random here, so to speak.
Post by Tony Nance
Tony
[1] Possibly the only military person more heroic and esteemed than Sula
is Martinez.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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2024-07-04 02:39:00 UTC
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My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series
Yeah, it was too bad the third book never happened. Back when WJW was
participating in RASWF some tried to get him to consider
self-publishing it, but that didn't go.


Brian
James Nicoll
2024-07-04 03:29:40 UTC
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My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series
Yeah, it was too bad the third book never happened. Back when WJW was
participating in RASWF some tried to get him to consider
self-publishing it, but that didn't go.
I heard recently that he had begun the third book.
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2024-07-08 03:00:27 UTC
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My favourite William's was the Metropolitan series
Yeah, it was too bad the third book never happened. Back when WJW
was participating in RASWF some tried to get him to consider
self-publishing it, but that didn't go.
I heard recently that he had begun the third book.
Interesting. It would be nice if it came to fruition.


Brian
Bice
2024-07-02 11:23:48 UTC
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Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Isn't Guards! Guards! #8?

I just recently started reading the Discworld series for (what I
thought was) the first time. Turns out the first two or three were
really familiar - I probably read them back when they first came out.
Just finished Sourcery yesterday. I've got #6-9 on the shelf waiting
to be read.

Anyway, Wikipedia lists the first nine as:

1. The Colour of Magic
2. The Light Fantastic
3. Equal Rites
4. Mort
5. Sourcery
6. Wyrd Sisters
7. Pyramids
8. Guards! Guards!
9. Eric

-- Bob
Tony Nance
2024-07-02 16:58:39 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Isn't Guards! Guards! #8?
I just recently started reading the Discworld series for (what I
thought was) the first time. Turns out the first two or three were
really familiar - I probably read them back when they first came out.
Just finished Sourcery yesterday. I've got #6-9 on the shelf waiting
to be read.
1. The Colour of Magic
2. The Light Fantastic
3. Equal Rites
4. Mort
5. Sourcery
6. Wyrd Sisters
7. Pyramids
8. Guards! Guards!
9. Eric
You are exactly right - thanks. I miscounted while (lazily) using the
list of titles on the pre-title page.

Tony
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-03 02:11:16 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Isn't Guards! Guards! #8?
I just recently started reading the Discworld series for (what I
thought was) the first time. Turns out the first two or three were
really familiar - I probably read them back when they first came out.
Just finished Sourcery yesterday. I've got #6-9 on the shelf waiting
to be read.
1. The Colour of Magic
2. The Light Fantastic
3. Equal Rites
4. Mort
5. Sourcery
6. Wyrd Sisters
7. Pyramids
8. Guards! Guards!
9. Eric
You are exactly right - thanks. I miscounted while (lazily) using the
list of titles on the pre-title page.
Tony
Let me introduce you to http://lspace.org, the Pratchett wiki. It has
several readings guides, including

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Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.

Pt
Titus G
2024-07-03 05:02:25 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Isn't Guards! Guards! #8?
I just recently started reading the Discworld series for (what I
thought was) the first time. Turns out the first two or three were
really familiar - I probably read them back when they first came out.
Just finished Sourcery yesterday. I've got #6-9 on the shelf waiting
to be read.
1. The Colour of Magic
2. The Light Fantastic
3. Equal Rites
4. Mort
5. Sourcery
6. Wyrd Sisters
7. Pyramids
8. Guards! Guards!
9. Eric
You are exactly right - thanks. I miscounted while (lazily) using the
list of titles on the pre-title page.
Tony
Let me introduce you to http://lspace.org, the Pratchett wiki. It has
several readings guides, including
https://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-20.jpg
Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
I hadn't read any for many years because too much of his humour dulls it
considerably for me but when they were discussed here a few years ago
with agreement for Jibini's claim that Guards! Guards! was the best from
Discworld, I re-read it and loved it.
Default User
2024-07-04 02:45:38 UTC
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I hadn't read any for many years because too much of his humour dulls
it considerably for me but when they were discussed here a few years
ago with agreement for Jibini's claim that Guards! Guards! was the
best from Discworld, I re-read it and loved it.
Oh. I don't even consider that to be the best of the sub-series it's
in. And of the whole of Discworld, there are many that I consider to be
far better. It's a good book, but not anywhere near the best to me.


Brian
Titus G
2024-07-04 05:42:47 UTC
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I hadn't read any for many years because too much of his humour dulls
it considerably for me but when they were discussed here a few years
ago with agreement for Jibini's claim that Guards! Guards! was the
best from Discworld, I re-read it and loved it.
Oh. I don't even consider that to be the best of the sub-series it's
in. And of the whole of Discworld, there are many that I consider to be
far better. It's a good book, but not anywhere near the best to me.
Well, I would be interested to hear your favourites. I have close to 40
Pratchett books and have re-read eight since I started rating books.
Agnes Nutter's brilliant epic and the following Discworld titles:
2 stars (Pot Boilers) Going Postal, Moving Pictures,
The Colour of Magic.
3 stars (Very Enjoyable) Mort, Hogfather.
4 stars (Brilliant) Small Gods, Guards! Guards!
Default User
2024-07-08 03:11:09 UTC
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I hadn't read any for many years because too much of his humour
dulls >> it considerably for me but when they were discussed here a
few years >> ago with agreement for Jibini's claim that Guards!
Guards! was the >> best from Discworld, I re-read it and loved it.
Post by Default User
Oh. I don't even consider that to be the best of the sub-series it's
in. And of the whole of Discworld, there are many that I consider
to be far better. It's a good book, but not anywhere near the best
to me.
Well, I would be interested to hear your favourites. I have close to
40 Pratchett books and have re-read eight since I started rating
books. Agnes Nutter's brilliant epic and the following Discworld
titles: 2 stars (Pot Boilers) Going Postal, Moving Pictures,
The Colour of Magic.
3 stars (Very Enjoyable) Mort, Hogfather.
4 stars (Brilliant) Small Gods, Guards! Guards!
A non-exhaustive selection, off the top to my head, no particular order:

The Truth
Hogfather
Thief of Time
Reaper Man
Men at Arms
Soul Music
Going Postal


Brian
Tony Nance
2024-07-04 13:13:59 UTC
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Post by Bice
Post by Tony Nance
Long work - Guards! Guards! - Pratchett [Discworld #7]
Isn't Guards! Guards! #8?
I just recently started reading the Discworld series for (what I
thought was) the first time. Turns out the first two or three were
really familiar - I probably read them back when they first came out.
Just finished Sourcery yesterday. I've got #6-9 on the shelf waiting
to be read.
1. The Colour of Magic
2. The Light Fantastic
3. Equal Rites
4. Mort
5. Sourcery
6. Wyrd Sisters
7. Pyramids
8. Guards! Guards!
9. Eric
You are exactly right - thanks. I miscounted while (lazily) using the
list of titles on the pre-title page.
Tony
Let me introduce you to http://lspace.org, the Pratchett wiki. It has
several readings guides, including
https://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-20.jpg
Ah, good times ... I remember printing that chart out way back when
PTerry was still writing them and occasionally (rarely[1]) posting here
in rasfw. But...
Post by Cryptoengineer
Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
...I found this to be the case for me as well. Combined with the facts
that I need to read humor novels differently (can't read too many pages
at once), and space them out pretty far apart, here I am only finishing
my 9th Discworld book.[2]

Tony

[1] Usually cross-posted from alt.fan.pratchett (or similar), iirc
[2] I read Eric before I read Guards! Guards!
Michael F. Stemper
2024-07-05 14:29:02 UTC
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Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
...I found this to be the case for me as well. Combined with the facts that I need to read humor novels differently (can't read too many pages at once), and space them out pretty far apart, here I am only finishing my 9th Discworld book.[2]
Back in the early 1990s, I heard (right here in rasw) about this amazingly
funny British author. Not Adams, but Pratchett. I eventually got around to
picking up a couple of his books, and found that they were, for me at least,
mildly amusing.

Watching the occasional Pratchett thread, I got the impression that it was
only his early work that was hilarious. I haven't encountered any of it on
the shelves yet, although I do keep half an eye peeled. Now, I'm seeing
folks say that his early work wasn't that good.

So, what's the verdict? Are his early works funny but not very good? Are his
recent works as funny as he gets? Something else altogether?
--
Michael F. Stemper
Why doesn't anybody care about apathy?
James Nicoll
2024-07-05 16:42:51 UTC
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Post by Cryptoengineer
Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
...I found this to be the case for me as well. Combined with the
facts that I need to read humor novels differently (can't read too many
pages at once), and space them out pretty far apart, here I am only
finishing my 9th Discworld book.[2]
Back in the early 1990s, I heard (right here in rasw) about this amazingly
funny British author. Not Adams, but Pratchett. I eventually got around to
picking up a couple of his books, and found that they were, for me at least,
mildly amusing.
Watching the occasional Pratchett thread, I got the impression that it was
only his early work that was hilarious. I haven't encountered any of it on
the shelves yet, although I do keep half an eye peeled. Now, I'm seeing
folks say that his early work wasn't that good.
So, what's the verdict? Are his early works funny but not very good? Are his
recent works as funny as he gets? Something else altogether?
The books improve in most respects until Pratchett's embuggerance
really sets in, after which he did a far better job of maintaining
quality than most authors would as their brain was turning into
candy floss.
--
My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll
Titus G
2024-07-05 22:24:16 UTC
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Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
...I found this to be the case for me as well. Combined with the facts
that I need to read humor novels differently (can't read too many
pages at once), and space them out pretty far apart, here I am only
finishing my 9th Discworld book.[2]
Back in the early 1990s, I heard (right here in rasw) about this amazingly
funny British author. Not Adams, but Pratchett. I eventually got around to
picking up a couple of his books, and found that they were, for me at least,
mildly amusing.
Watching the occasional Pratchett thread, I got the impression that it was
only his early work that was hilarious. I haven't encountered any of it on
the shelves yet, although I do keep half an eye peeled. Now, I'm seeing
folks say that his early work wasn't that good.
So, what's the verdict? Are his early works funny but not very good? Are his
recent works as funny as he gets? Something else altogether?
I classify his humour as silly and like Xmas cracker jokes they should
be enjoyed with a groan on rare occasions and not too many at once. (I
suggest one.) He is very clever and when first introduced to his humour,
there was novelty value as well. It might just be British humour which
NZers of Pratchett reading age were raised on. I suspect that if
originally found "mildly amusing", they will get no better for you.
My favourites are Small Gods and Guards! Guards! but when I read them I
had a good background knowledge of Discworld which might be relevant.
Cryptoengineer
2024-07-06 17:51:17 UTC
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Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
...I found this to be the case for me as well. Combined with the facts
that I need to read humor novels differently (can't read too many
pages at once), and space them out pretty far apart, here I am only
finishing my 9th Discworld book.[2]
Back in the early 1990s, I heard (right here in rasw) about this amazingly
funny British author. Not Adams, but Pratchett. I eventually got around to
picking up a couple of his books, and found that they were, for me at least,
mildly amusing.
Watching the occasional Pratchett thread, I got the impression that it was
only his early work that was hilarious. I haven't encountered any of it on
the shelves yet, although I do keep half an eye peeled. Now, I'm seeing
folks say that his early work wasn't that good.
So, what's the verdict? Are his early works funny but not very good? Are his
recent works as funny as he gets? Something else altogether?
I classify his humour as silly and like Xmas cracker jokes they should
be enjoyed with a groan on rare occasions and not too many at once. (I
suggest one.) He is very clever and when first introduced to his humour,
there was novelty value as well. It might just be British humour which
NZers of Pratchett reading age were raised on. I suspect that if
originally found "mildly amusing", they will get no better for you.
My favourites are Small Gods and Guards! Guards! but when I read them I
had a good background knowledge of Discworld which might be relevant.
He got a lot deeper as time went on, delving into matters of social
justice, and ethics in general.

pt
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2024-07-08 03:28:44 UTC
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So, what's the verdict? Are his early works funny but not very good?
Are his recent works as funny as he gets? Something else altogether?
I didn't think any of them were comedic, and I didn't care. I don't
read for funny, when I want that I view or listen to professional
comedians. The books were often humorous. There were two scenes that
actually made me laugh in all the Discworld books I read.

1. When a bandit attempts to rob Chancellor Ridcully and is turned into
a pumpkin. Lords and Ladies, I think. An otherwise unpleasant book that
I didn't enjoy.

2. When the angels came to get the Little Match Girl in Hogfather.


Brian
Tony Nance
2024-07-08 19:51:14 UTC
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Most agree that the first few written aren't as good as later ones PTerry
was learning his craft.
...I found this to be the case for me as well. Combined with the facts
that I need to read humor novels differently (can't read too many
pages at once), and space them out pretty far apart, here I am only
finishing my 9th Discworld book.[2]
Back in the early 1990s, I heard (right here in rasw) about this amazingly
funny British author. Not Adams, but Pratchett. I eventually got around to
picking up a couple of his books, and found that they were, for me at least,
mildly amusing.
Watching the occasional Pratchett thread, I got the impression that it was
only his early work that was hilarious. I haven't encountered any of it on
the shelves yet, although I do keep half an eye peeled. Now, I'm seeing
folks say that his early work wasn't that good.
So, what's the verdict? Are his early works funny but not very good? Are his
recent works as funny as he gets? Something else altogether?
Just adding some (incomplete) data, since I've only read the first 9[1]:

I was told many years ago that the early ones are decent-but-spotty, and
they get pretty consistently good at some point.

I've found this to be true, specifically noting that Mort, Guards!
Guards!, and Eric are pretty darn good, by my estimation, and the rest
are solid.

I expect to read #10 at some point, probably this year.
Tony


[1] What I think are the first 9:
1. The Colour of Magic
2. The Light Fantastic
3. Equal Rites
4. Mort
5. Sourcery
6. Wyrd Sisters
7. Pyramids
8. Guards! Guards!
9. Eric

Gary R. Schmidt
2024-07-02 13:22:44 UTC
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On 02/07/2024 05:56, Tony Nance wrote:
[SNIP]
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]> Great! This
one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful Passage
deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent while
trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build reliable
trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting opportunities are
pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.
Yes, Ribbon Dance is very interesting. :-)

Cheers,
Gary B-)
Tony Nance
2024-07-03 18:19:33 UTC
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[SNIP]
( +++ 1/2 ) Trader’s Leap - Lee & Miller [Liaden #23]> Great! This
one happens partly in parallel with and partly just after
the awesome, supremely consequential Accepting the Lance [Liaden #22].
It’s slightly smaller in scope, but no less consequential by the end.
Shan, Priscilla, Padi, and the rest of Liaden Trade Ship Dutiful
Passage deal with Shan’s injuries and Padi’s emerging powerful talent
while trying to find somewhere — anywhere — where they can build
reliable trade routes for Clan Korval. Some new and interesting
opportunities are pursued, and the next book should be very interesting.
Yes, Ribbon Dance is very interesting.  :-)
    Cheers,
        Gary    B-)
Good to know! Since I'm one of those goobers that almost always reads in
publication order, I've got two more[1] to read before getting to Ribbon
Dance.

Throw me in the briar patch,
Tony
[1] Fair Trade and Salvage Right
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