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Gentleman Jole
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Michael F. Stemper
2024-05-18 13:04:37 UTC
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I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.

Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
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Scott Lurndal
2024-05-18 14:32:49 UTC
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Post by Michael F. Stemper
I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.
Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
The only time I recall is when Admiral Naismith visited
Admiral Vorkosigan on the Prince Serge after defeating the
Cetigandans at the Hegan Hub.

He was referenced a couple times thereafter, but only off-screen.
Tony Nance
2024-05-18 23:27:02 UTC
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Post by Michael F. Stemper
I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.
Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
According to The Vorkosigan Companion[1], Jole (no first name listed) is
in The Vor Game: "A lieutenant in the Barrayaran military, he is Aral
Vorkosigan's aide-de-camp during the Vervain cobflict. Blond,
good-looking, and brilliant, he was commended for quick thinking durong
a shipboard accident, and came to Aral's attention soon after. He
accompanies Aral in the Prince Serg when they arrive at Vervain."

Tony
[1] My edition was published before Cryoburn, Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance, and Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen came out. I don't
know/recall if Jole is mentioned in Cryoburn or Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance.
Michael Benveniste
2024-05-19 03:38:39 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
[1] My edition was published before Cryoburn, Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance, and Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen came out. I don't
know/recall if Jole is mentioned in Cryoburn or Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance.
IIRC, he's mentioned in Captain Vorpatril's Alliance in passing in
regards to crimes taking place on the _Kanzian_.
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Robert Woodward
2024-05-19 04:44:37 UTC
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Post by Michael F. Stemper
I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.
Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
According to The Vorkosigan Companion[1], Jole (no first name listed) is
in The Vor Game: "A lieutenant in the Barrayaran military, he is Aral
Vorkosigan's aide-de-camp during the Vervain cobflict. Blond,
good-looking, and brilliant, he was commended for quick thinking durong
a shipboard accident, and came to Aral's attention soon after. He
accompanies Aral in the Prince Serg when they arrive at Vervain."
Tony
[1] My edition was published before Cryoburn, Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance, and Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen came out. I don't
know/recall if Jole is mentioned in Cryoburn or Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance.
He is mentioned in _Cryoburn_, in the 5th drabble in the Aftermaths
section. He, actually his sailboat, is mentioned in the epilogue of
_Captain Vorpatril's Alliance_ (which takes place before _Cryoburn_,
though published later).
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Michael F. Stemper
2024-05-20 17:43:53 UTC
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Post by Michael F. Stemper
I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.
Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
According to The Vorkosigan Companion[1],
I had no idea such a thing existed.
Post by Tony Nance
Jole (no first name listed) is in The Vor Game: "A lieutenant in the Barrayaran military, he is Aral Vorkosigan's aide-de-camp during the Vervain cobflict. Blond, good-looking, and brilliant, he was commended for quick thinking durong a shipboard accident, and came to Aral's attention soon after. He accompanies Aral in the Prince Serg when they arrive at Vervain."
That's all consistent with the morsels of his back-story in GGatRQ.

I finished it this morning. After the Epilogue, there was s two page ad
for other Miles works, both novels and omnibii. Amusingly, despite the
connection to _The Vor Game_, it wasn't on the list.
Post by Tony Nance
[1] My edition was published before Cryoburn, Captain Vorpatril's Alliance, and Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen came out. I don't know/recall if Jole is mentioned in Cryoburn or Captain Vorpatril's Alliance.
That's the problem with trying to do a concordance for a series with a
still-living author. In fact, as RAH and Ian Fleming (at least) showed,
it's risky even after the author is dead, as they can still keep
publishing.
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Tony Nance
2024-05-21 18:51:36 UTC
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Post by Michael F. Stemper
I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.
Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
According to The Vorkosigan Companion[1],
I had no idea such a thing existed.
I found my 2008 edition for a good price at a used book store a long
time ago - I think maybe Cryoburn had just come out, or was just about to.

Anyhow, it's almost 700 pages long, and is broken into 5 sections
("Parts") and 3 appendices. The sections are made of various essays,
interviews, and articles, with the concordance taking up just under 300
pages of Part 5 "The Vorkosiverse Itself". Part 5 is by far the largest
of the 5 parts. I'm realizing now that I haven't read many of the
articles & whatnot; so now this is on the short stack to be read soe
time this year.

Tony
Post by Michael F. Stemper
Post by Tony Nance
  Jole (no first name listed) is in The Vor Game: "A lieutenant in
the  Barrayaran military, he is Aral Vorkosigan's aide-de-camp during
the Vervain cobflict. Blond, good-looking, and brilliant, he was
commended for quick thinking durong a shipboard accident, and came to
Aral's attention soon after. He accompanies Aral in the Prince Serg
when they arrive at Vervain."
That's all consistent with the morsels of his back-story in GGatRQ.
I finished it this morning. After the Epilogue, there was s two page ad
for other Miles works, both novels and omnibii. Amusingly, despite the
connection to _The Vor Game_, it wasn't on the list.
Post by Tony Nance
[1] My edition was published before Cryoburn, Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance, and Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen came out. I don't
know/recall if Jole is mentioned in Cryoburn or Captain Vorpatril's
Alliance.
That's the problem with trying to do a concordance for a series with a
still-living author. In fact, as RAH and Ian Fleming (at least) showed,
it's risky even after the author is dead, as they can still keep
publishing.
Michael F. Stemper
2024-05-22 12:40:25 UTC
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Post by Michael F. Stemper
I've finally gotten around to _Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen_.
Oliver Jole appears to have had a long involvement with Aral and
Cordelia. I remember none of it. Was he on-screen in any of the
early books?
According to The Vorkosigan Companion[1],
I had no idea such a thing existed.
I found my 2008 edition for a good price at a used book store a long time ago - I think maybe Cryoburn had just come out, or was just about to.
Anyhow, it's almost 700 pages long, and is broken into 5 sections ("Parts") and 3 appendices. The sections are made of various essays, interviews, and articles, with the concordance taking up just under 300 pages of Part 5 "The Vorkosiverse Itself". Part 5 is by far the largest of the 5 parts. I'm realizing now that I haven't read many of the articles & whatnot; so now this is on the short stack to be read soe time this year.
I'll have to admit that sounds kind of cool. And if later publications only
make 300 pages obsolete, it might be worth picking up.
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Michael F. Stemper
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