OT Testing eternal september: Can you see this?

[Cryptoengineer]

I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.

I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).

Can people see this message?

Peter Trei

pt

[The Doctor]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Yes!!

[James Nicoll]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei

I saw this message.

[Steve Coltrin]

begin fnord

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Well, I can.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei

Me three.

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

Yes. I recommend xrn if you're using linux. supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

[Mike Van Pelt]

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Post by Scott Lurndal
Yes. I recommend xrn if you're using linux. supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn. Also runs under
Linux. Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.

trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.

A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0. (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Scott Lurndal

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Post by Scott Lurndal
Yes. I recommend xrn if you're using linux. supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn. Also runs under
Linux. Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0. (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.

At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.

1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

pt

[Tony Nance]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

Is there a plain "Followup" option? On my end, that posts to the group
without generating emails, but I am on a mac.

Post by Cryptoengineer
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

I am also in this boat, but I haven't tried too hard to get around it.
If I do get around it, I will let you know.

Tony

[Titus G]

snip

Post by Tony Nance

Post by Cryptoengineer
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

Is there a plain "Followup" option? On my end, that posts to the group
without generating emails, but I am on a mac.

There is a plain "Followup" under Linux.

Post by Tony Nance

Post by Cryptoengineer
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

I am also in this boat, but I haven't tried too hard to get around it.
If I do get around it, I will let you know.

View
Sort
Date Ascending Threaded.

[Ahasuerus]

[snip]
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

I believe the button that you are looking for is "Followup".

2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

I find that Thunderbird's unthreaded display works well for low-volume
newsgroups like rec.art.s.sf.written, especially once you set up filters
to set off-topic threads and the like to "auto-read".

On rare occasion Thunderbird gets confused and refuses to recognize the
existence of certain posts, but a restart typically fixes it in a matter
of seconds.

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

I turned off the Header Toolbar for just this reason (Right-click on the
message header and select "Hide Header Toolbar"), and use "Reply" at the
top of the Window, which does the right thing.

Post by Cryptoengineer
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

Switching to Betterbird <http://betterbird.eu> gets rid of a lot of TB's
vexing non-features, and fast-tracks some bug-fixes, including a lot of
threading bugs.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Scott Dorsey]

Post by Cryptoengineer
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

What you want to do is post a followup, not a reply. (I don't know what
is involved in doing this with Thunderbird but that is the terminology
used in the Usenet documentation).
--scott

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Scott Dorsey

Post by Cryptoengineer
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

What you want to do is post a followup, not a reply. (I don't know what
is involved in doing this with Thunderbird but that is the terminology
used in the Usenet documentation).

Thanks, I figured that out.

Now, if I could just get it to display thread updated since I was last
on, without them being buried in pages of dead threads....

pt

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.

What you want to do is post a followup, not a reply.  (I don't know what
is involved in doing this with Thunderbird but that is the terminology
used in the Usenet documentation).

Thanks, I figured that out.
Now, if I could just get it to display thread updated since I was last
on, without them being buried in pages of dead threads....

View - Threads - Threads With Unread.

[Robert Carnegie]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
But if I go past the last current message, then
suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
are awkward.

[Paul S Person]

On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 11:27:10 +0000, Robert Carnegie

Post by Robert Carnegie

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
But if I go past the last current message, then
suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
are awkward.

Just speaking generally here, but it seems to me that any Back/Forward
facility that loops in /one/ direction, so that 2013 is "Forward" from
2024, should loop in the /other/ direction as well.

Not saying it does in this case, of course, but only that not being
able to do so should be regarded as a Design Flaw.

Perhaps you can request a change ...

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Robert Carnegie

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
But if I go past the last current message, then
suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
are awkward.

Cool! That pretty much solves the problem for me.

Thanks!

pt

[Robert Carnegie]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Robert Carnegie

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Mike Van Pelt

Post by Cryptoengineer
Can people see this message?

Saw it.

Yes.  I recommend xrn if you're using linux.  supports threading,
very lightweight (Xaw toolkit).

I'm not familiar with xrn, but I am with trn.  Also runs under
Linux.  Given the name, I wouldn't be surprised if xrn was
pretty similar.
trn, at least, runs in "Linux Subsystem for Windows", which
is how I'm running it now. You can install it with a simple
"apt get". This might also be true of xrn.
A few times in the past, unsatisifed with gui forum software,
I've thought about what I would want in the ideal online forum
software. Every time, I didn't get far before I realized I was
re-inventing the most recent trn 4.0.  (where "most recent" is
a couple decades old at this point.)

I built trn from source under Linux a few years ago, when we
were getting excited over the use of UTF-8.
At the moment I'm using Thunderbird on Windows. There are some
niggling irritations. I wonder if they can be worked around.
1. The 'Reply' button prominently displayed at the top of a
message sends an email - it does not reply to the group.
When I do 'reply to all', it posts to the group, but also emails
the person who wrote what I'm replying to. I'd rather only
post to group.
2. While I've managed to get a threaded display, I can't sort
by 'thread most recently updated'. I can 'show only new threads',
but that doesn't show threads where I've already read  some of the
replies. I'm forced to scroll down looking for thread entries
which are underlined, and have new replies.

It's looking like I can press Back and Forward
keys (B, F) to step through the message list,
and Next and Previous for unread messages only.
But if I go past the last current message, then
suddenly I'm reading something from 2013.
Returning to 2024 isn't straightforward because
I'm using a Windows tablet in portrait orientation,
and a lot of keystrokes and other actions
are awkward.

Cool! That pretty much solves the problem for me.
Thanks!
pt

More here:
<https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts-thunderbird>

[-dsr-]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail

Yup.

-dsr-

[Dave]

Post by -dsr-

Post by Cryptoengineer
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
Yup.
-dsr-

I can see the reply from -dsr- but not the original message. I don't
know whether it is eternal-september, Thunderbird or both that is acting
up. I have to shut down Thunderbird every day in order to read in new
messages. If I don't wait for a bit before restarting up, I get no new
messages. If I wait, then I get new messages, but apparently not all of
them, like I said previously. I only see Cryptoengineer quoted in dsr's
reply. This is aggravating.

[BCFD 36]

Post by Dave

Post by -dsr-

Post by Cryptoengineer
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
Yup.
-dsr-

I can see the reply from -dsr- but not the original message. I don't
know whether it is eternal-september, Thunderbird or both that is acting
up. I have to shut down Thunderbird every day in order to read in new
messages. If I don't wait for a bit before restarting up, I get no new
messages. If I wait, then I get new messages, but apparently not all of
them, like I said previously. I only see Cryptoengineer quoted in dsr's
reply. This is aggravating.

Thunderbird is being difficult. This is to see if a new message shows
up, or not.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Post by BCFD 36
Thunderbird is being difficult. This is to see if a new message shows
up, or not.

I see it.

[Ahasuerus]

Post by BCFD 36

Post by Dave

Post by -dsr-

Post by Cryptoengineer
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
Yup.
-dsr-

I can see the reply from -dsr- but not the original message. I don't
know whether it is eternal-september, Thunderbird or both that is
acting up. I have to shut down Thunderbird every day in order to read
in new messages. If I don't wait for a bit before restarting up, I get
no new messages. If I wait, then I get new messages, but apparently
not all of them, like I said previously. I only see Cryptoengineer
quoted in dsr's reply. This is aggravating.

Thunderbird is being difficult. This is to see if a new message shows
up, or not.

The Thunderbird client can get out of sync with the NNTP server. It
seems to happen more frequently when you experiment with "offline" options.

When it happens, you can try to force a re-sync:

1. Find the desync'd newsgroup in the list of newsgroup names on the left.

2. Right-click the newsgroup name.

3. Select "Properties".

4. Under the "General Information" tab select "Repair Folder".

5. Specify how many headers you want to be re-downloaded.

6. Click OK.

7. The pop-up box will flash and reset the displayed values. Apparently
this can be ignored and you just have to wait for the headers to be
redownloaded. Thunderbird may not display its progress, but it
presumably "does stuff behind the scenes".

Not terribly user friendly, but it seems to work for me. Some settings
like threading/ordering are not preserved, but at least you get back in
sync.

Alternatively, you can unsubscribe from the corrupted newsgroup and
immediately re-subscribe, which will force the same redownload process
to be kicked off.

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Post by Dave

Post by -dsr-

Post by Cryptoengineer
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
Yup.
-dsr-

I can see the reply from -dsr- but not the original message. I don't
know whether it is eternal-september, Thunderbird or both that is acting
up. I have to shut down Thunderbird every day in order to read in new
messages. If I don't wait for a bit before restarting up, I get no new
messages. If I wait, then I get new messages, but apparently not all of
them, like I said previously. I only see Cryptoengineer quoted in dsr's
reply. This is aggravating.

To read in new messages, right click on your Usenet server in the
left-hand pane, and select "Get Messages".

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[Lynn McGuire]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.

My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

Lynn

[[e-mail]]

Post by Lynn McGuire

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

I'm seeing it gather all the repo sets of a given thread together, but there's
no tree structure below that.

Pt

[Tony Nance]

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Lynn McGuire

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

I'm seeing it gather all the repo sets of a given thread together, but there's
no tree structure below that.

Same here, also using Eternal September and Thunderbird. Thunderbird is
not my favorite, but it's working well enough.

Tony

[Lynn McGuire]

Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Lynn McGuire

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

I'm seeing it gather all the repo sets of a given thread together, but there's
no tree structure below that.
Pt

Try setting the pulldown menu item on: View -> Sort By -> Threaded.

Lynn

[The Horny Goat]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:53:08 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

Yes I'm having that problem too though I'm running Thunderbird on Win
10.

[Titus G]

Post by The Horny Goat
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:53:08 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

Yes I'm having that problem too though I'm running Thunderbird on Win
10.

I'm running the Linux version which I would assume is the same.
Each folder can be set independently.

Open Folder
View
Sort By
Unthreaded (Right down the bottom.)

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by The Horny Goat
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:53:08 -0600, Lynn McGuire

Post by Lynn McGuire
Yes, and this thread is threaded in Thunderbird on Windows 11.
My Inbox on TB threads but I do not want it to. That is a recent change.

Yes I'm having that problem too though I'm running Thunderbird on Win
10.

After some initial hiccups, I'm pretty happy with TB on Win 10.

pt

[The Horny Goat]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:09:22 -0500, Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer
After some initial hiccups, I'm pretty happy with TB on Win 10.

I use Thunderbird for e-mail (on Win 10) but not for newsgroups - but
then I'm interested in binaries. Have done for 20+ years and the only
time I've been unhappy is with the current version since I strongly
dislike the collapsing of threads in the current version of TB.

(And would be obliged if someone could tell me how to turn it off)

[Lynn McGuire]

Post by The Horny Goat
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 13:09:22 -0500, Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer
After some initial hiccups, I'm pretty happy with TB on Win 10.

I use Thunderbird for e-mail (on Win 10) but not for newsgroups - but
then I'm interested in binaries. Have done for 20+ years and the only
time I've been unhappy is with the current version since I strongly
dislike the collapsing of threads in the current version of TB.
(And would be obliged if someone could tell me how to turn it off)

Uncheck the pulldown menu item View / Sort By / Threaded.

Lynn

[Gary R. Schmidt]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Try Betterbird - http://bettterbird.eu - it's TB with fixes.

I've been using it for a year or so, since before 115, and it's more
like old TB than TB.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

[WolfFan]

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?
Peter Trei
pt

Gotcha

I have two ’subscriptions’ for rec.arts.sf.* in the Hog, one on Supernews
(the one I usually use) and one on Eternal September. Thanks to the spam
deluge, Supernews takes nearly 5 minutes to load, and then another five
minutes to be usable after I clean everything up. Killfiles aren’t catching
all, or even most, of the idiocy unless I set them to be quite heavy-handed.
It’s a lot worse if I’m not home and am remoting in. ES loads in under 5
seconds.

I’ve sent a note over to Supernews. I suspect that they will just wait
until Google pulls the plug on usenet access.

[Paul S Person]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 11:21:10 -0500, Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer
I'm finally switching out from Google Groups. I would have waited closer
to the deadline, but the troll is now hitting rasfw with literally
hundreds of new threads a day, and scrolling thru them to find real
posts got onerous.
I reactivated an eternal September account I set up many years ago, and
am currently trying Thunderbird. I'm not completely happy with it - if
there's a threaded tree display I haven't found it, and I worry that it
may not play nice with my gmail account (10Gb, 53k messages, which I
need to use from many devices, mostly by web).
Can people see this message?

Yep.

It's threaded in Agent 8, but that isn't going to help you with
Thunderbird.