Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.

One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-08 23:52:11 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.

bliss - the hobbler

Lynn McGuire

2025-01-09 20:21:41 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

    MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
    People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
    bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,

Got water in your fire hydrants ?

Lynn

Scott Lurndal

2025-01-09 22:32:20 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
Â Â Â https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault.Â Â Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income.Â Any rational
non-republican recognizes that.Â Â The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

Â Â Â Â MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
Â Â Â Â People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
Â Â Â Â bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?

What kind of idiotic question is that?

Four million gallons in four tanks atop a hill[*]
cannot be filled fast enough when one is fighing
an unprecedented firestorm. And they had many
back up sources, including pools and hundreds of
tenders (and the ocean along PCH).

As windspeeds (70-90mph gusts) prevented the most effective
means of supressing fire (air drops), the tanks were what
was available in the palisades. Even an infinite
supply wouldn't have helped due to the fundamental
limits of firefighters and fire fighting equipment
along with embers (some the size of small tree limbs) that
were flying up to two miles from the fireline.

[*] presurizing the system

One might note that many of the homes that were
spared had metal or tile roofs and little exterior
wood. Seems like a recipe for rebuilding a more
robust infrastructure.

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-09 22:57:45 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.

Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.

bliss - the hobbler

Titus G

2025-01-10 03:53:03 UTC

On 10/01/25 11:57, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
snip There are books

Post by Bobbie Sellers
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now

And one of my favourite tracks, Ole Mulholland by Frank Black.

Post by Bobbie Sellers
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.

I recently posted about Paolo Baculup 's The Water Knife, a brilliant
tale of a dystopic future where water is a scarce commodity.

Post by Bobbie Sellers
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
bliss - the hobbler

Paul S Person

2025-01-10 17:19:31 UTC

On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 14:57:45 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo discussion of how Republicans will pay the National Debt. As
if they would ever even try.>

<and now we have a sudden change in topic>

Post by Lynn McGuire
Got water in your fire hydrants ?

I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.

Water is fast becoming a major resource problem [1]. I suppose I could
take comfort in the fact that LA has a lot of rivers to rob before
reaching the Columbia, but I don't. They need to ration their water to
the point that no one wants to come there, and a lot of residents want
to leave. Or invest in really impressive desalinizers. LA might be
able to drink the Pacific, but it would take a while.

[1] Reviews of /Quantum of Solace/ ridiculed the film for treating
water as a vital resource when it came out. I think fewer of us would
see it that way today.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Lynn McGuire

2025-01-10 21:49:04 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

    I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
    Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
    bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.

If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

Lynn

Scott Lurndal

2025-01-10 22:04:47 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
Â Â Â https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault.Â Â Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income.Â Any
rational
non-republican recognizes that.Â Â The "starve the beast" idiom is
stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

Â Â Â Â Â MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
Â Â Â Â Â People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
Â Â Â Â Â bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

Â Â Â Â I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
Â Â Â Â Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
Â Â Â Â bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

Lynn McGuire

2025-01-10 22:18:54 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

    I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
    Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
    bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190

Lynn

Scott Lurndal

2025-01-10 23:15:08 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
Â Â Â https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault.Â Â Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income.Â Any
rational
non-republican recognizes that.Â Â The "starve the beast" idiom is
stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190

You really need to find more reliable sources.

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-11 00:42:27 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

    I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
    Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
    bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190

You really need to find more reliable sources.

No use talking to him as he believes every lie out of Putin's Puppet,
Trump's mouth as well as those from Putin himself and Tucker
Carlson of all people. Maybe a paid provocateur? What salary does
Russia pay Lynn McGuire?
Perhaps he is depending on a political position under the
new regime. If traitors are not murdered by the people who
seduced them into treason, the resistance must attend to them.
Check out France WW II.

bliss

Scott Lurndal

2025-01-11 01:00:37 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190

You really need to find more reliable sources.

Actually, he's in the the pocket of the fossil fuel industry, and
his income is completely dependent upon the oil industry.

Scott Dorsey

2025-01-11 23:52:26 UTC

Post by Bobbie Sellers
No use talking to him as he believes every lie out of Putin's Puppet,
Trump's mouth as well as those from Putin himself and Tucker
Carlson of all people. Maybe a paid provocateur? What salary does
Russia pay Lynn McGuire?

Actually, he's in the the pocket of the fossil fuel industry, and
his income is completely dependent upon the oil industry.

Which is confusing seeing that Russia is a major exporter of fossil fuels
and therefore a competitor of the American fossil fuel industry. (Okay,
this is an oversimplification because transportation issues mean that we
have a somewhat different market than they... but there is a grain of truth.)
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Lynn McGuire

2025-01-11 01:44:33 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

    I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
    Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
    bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-and-life-n2184190

You really need to find more reliable sources.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

Lynn

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-11 02:29:27 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is
stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good
pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

       I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
       Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
       bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-
was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-
and-life-n2184190

You really need to find more reliable sources.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-
in- palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline
Lynn

The story's true - I saw it from other sources too. Why you chose to
point us at a garbage source to start, I don't know.
The reservoir was down for quite some time to repair rips in its cover.
Would it have made a difference? We're certainly going to see analysis
of this in the coming months, as politicians move into the
finger-pointing phase.
The impression I get is that it would have helped, but not hugely. It
could have feed some more water to the tanks that pressurized the
hydrants, but probably not fast enough to keep the highest ones running.
The system simply wasn't sized to deal with this big and widespread a
fire - it would have been fine if a few streets were involved but not
30 square miles of houses. The problem was compounded by the high
winds, which not only spread the fire, but also grounded air tankers.
pt

The real problem originated last year when after two years
of heavier than normal rain no fuel clearance was done by the
County and the State on the coastal range behind the LA basin.
As was pointed out today by the Mayor of LA, the Fire Department
is much smaller than the City requires but has not been dealt
with for many years while the City of Los Angeles has grown both
in population and area. Who resists paying property taxes to
the City for vital services? I dunno but the original property
tax reduction done some years ago benefitted big business though
it was touted as a benefit to old retired folks. That was I believe
Proposition 13. Well I don't have to believe it I have the
WWW and it tells me that in 1978.

Proposition 13 is an amendment of the Constitution of California enacted during 1978, by means of the initiative process, to cap property taxes and limit property reassessments to when the property changes ownership, and to require a 2/3 majority for tax increases in the state legislature.

So the rich profitted immensely and the old folks without
county services paid for by property taxes soon lost any benefit.
Not only the retired but the young suffered as programs like
Physical Education and Art including Music were cut back to what
the parents could afford. I think that is when Civics education
was cut.

I think San Francisco voted solidly against this measure
but the rest of the state was not so well informed as to the
consequences. Cutting schooling is like a cutting the throat
of the future. It certainly is a way to hobble young minds.

bliss - hobble, hobble, my ankle is broken but not
my spirit.

Cryptoengineer

2025-01-11 02:55:46 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any
rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is
stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good
pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

       I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
       Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
       bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

The only problem with your question is that the first part isn't
even partly true; therefore the second part is completely irrelevent.

https://fakenews.com/jenvanlaar/2025/01/10/bombshell-key-reservoir-
was-empty-when-palisades-fire-started-contributed-to-loss-of-homes-
and-life-n2184190

You really need to find more reliable sources.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-
in- palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline
Lynn

Proposition 13 is an amendment of the Constitution of California
enacted during 1978, by means of the initiative process, to cap
property taxes and limit property reassessments to when the property
changes ownership, and to require a 2/3 majority for tax increases in
the state legislature.

    So the rich profitted immensely and the old folks without
county services paid for by property taxes soon lost any benefit.
Not only the retired but the young suffered as programs like
Physical Education and Art including Music were cut back to what
the parents could afford. I think that is when Civics education
was cut.
    I think San Francisco voted solidly against this measure
but the rest of the state was not so well informed as to the
consequences. Cutting schooling is like a cutting the throat
of the future. It certainly is a way to hobble young minds.
    bliss - hobble, hobble, my ankle is broken but not
my spirit.

Prop 13 certainly is the source of a lot of problems in
California governance.

pt

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-10 22:48:19 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

     MAGA voted for the billionaires pal. He is such a good pal that
he cut taxes before on the most well off to move the burden of the
nation's wars and disasters to the less well off. He intends to
continue this inflationary policy until he stops breathing.
     People believed him when he said he would cut the cost of
the groceries but as soon he could he gave an interview and said
it was impossible. We controlled prices during WW II so it is not
impossible. We have several wars going on right now the most meanful
is to reduce carbon dioxide output from human activities so the
War On Climate Change might make rationing and price controls
rational again.
     bliss - the hobbler

Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?
Lynn

     I live in San Francisco not the City of the Angels.
Since the Fire and Quake in 1906, Water for the Hydrants
has been a big item.
     Remember when thinking of Los Angeles that the
Devils and Demons are all fallen angels. There are books
and Movies that relate the way LA got its water and now
it is attempting to drain the rivers of Northern California.
Look up Delta Project in the Central Valley of California.
     bliss - the hobbler

I know this, you have typed about the SF library several times.
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?
Lynn

You do not know much abour California, Northern or Southern.
San Francisco in the early 20th Century got approval amd built a
dam in the Sierra in a canyon as big as Yosemite and has a large
reservoir there as well as a hydro-power generating facility.

Los Angeles stole the water from thee Owens Valley about the
same time and then later negotiated for Colorado River water. The
watershed of the Colorado of late has been drier than normal and
it is hard to get water that is not there.

So Southern California conceived a grand solution to their
water problems. The result was the Delta Water project which extracts
water from the Delta of the Sacramento-San Joaquin river and via a
long canal ships it south to LA. That is not good for either the
wildlife of the rivers or the agricultural interests of the Central
Valley of California but the people of LA and their swimming pools
must be served.
So Southern California was a desert land most of the time
but that meant nothing to the Real Estate interests of the South.

So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

bliss - hobble, hobble...

Paul S Person

2025-01-11 16:54:46 UTC

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo stuff>

Post by Lynn McGuire
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

You do not know much abour California, Northern or Southern.
San Francisco in the early 20th Century got approval amd built a
dam in the Sierra in a canyon as big as Yosemite and has a large
reservoir there as well as a hydro-power generating facility.
Los Angeles stole the water from thee Owens Valley about the
same time and then later negotiated for Colorado River water. The
watershed of the Colorado of late has been drier than normal and
it is hard to get water that is not there.
So Southern California conceived a grand solution to their
water problems. The result was the Delta Water project which extracts
water from the Delta of the Sacramento-San Joaquin river and via a
long canal ships it south to LA. That is not good for either the
wildlife of the rivers or the agricultural interests of the Central
Valley of California but the people of LA and their swimming pools
must be served.
So Southern California was a desert land most of the time
but that meant nothing to the Real Estate interests of the South.
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.

Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Dimensional Traveler

2025-01-11 19:32:54 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<snippo stuff>

Post by Lynn McGuire
If LA has dropped their water sources, can San Fransisco be far behind ?

You do not know much abour California, Northern or Southern.
San Francisco in the early 20th Century got approval amd built a
dam in the Sierra in a canyon as big as Yosemite and has a large
reservoir there as well as a hydro-power generating facility.
Los Angeles stole the water from thee Owens Valley about the
same time and then later negotiated for Colorado River water. The
watershed of the Colorado of late has been drier than normal and
it is hard to get water that is not there.
So Southern California conceived a grand solution to their
water problems. The result was the Delta Water project which extracts
water from the Delta of the Sacramento-San Joaquin river and via a
long canal ships it south to LA. That is not good for either the
wildlife of the rivers or the agricultural interests of the Central
Valley of California but the people of LA and their swimming pools
must be served.
So Southern California was a desert land most of the time
but that meant nothing to the Real Estate interests of the South.
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are starting
to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting knock-on
effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add new policies
or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger their profits.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

William Hyde

2025-01-11 22:33:57 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

People in the reinsurance industry started paying attention to the
problem of climate change a long time ago. At about the turn of the
century two big ones, Munich Re and Swiss Re, decided to stop offering
coverage on the US gulf coast. Others simply put up prices. As
insurance companies rely on re-insurers to take some of the risk
companies had to raise rates to preserve profits.

I'd be surprised if something similar hasn't happened in fire-prone
areas. Insurance companies are not in the business of saving people,
they are in the business of spreading risk and making pots of money in
the process.

Rising insurance narrows the pool of potential buyers. Banks won't give
mortgages for uninsured houses, so if you can't afford both the mortgage
and insurance payments you can't buy. Prices will have to drop until
houses start selling. If you are an older person trying to cash in on
your house before moving to care or rental housing, you won't get the
price you were expecting. And if you are renting, higher insurance
costs will be passed on to you.

For me the only consequence so far is a bump in flood insurance, large
as a percentage but smallish as a dollar amount (I am on higher ground
between two river branches). Millions of others are not so lucky.

William Hyde

Dimensional Traveler

2025-01-12 00:17:12 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

High insurance costs for all the beachfront buildings that are
starting to subside because of rising sea levels and the resulting
knock-on effects from that like insurance companies refusing to add
new policies or renew existing ones because doing so would endanger
their profits.

It has happened in all of California. Same basic actions by insurance
companies, trying to stop writing policies for just about anything.
California state government has been fighting with insurance companies
over this for a number of years, since before Newsome became Governor.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Scott Dorsey

2025-01-12 00:20:47 UTC

Post by William Hyde
People in the reinsurance industry started paying attention to the
problem of climate change a long time ago. At about the turn of the
century two big ones, Munich Re and Swiss Re, decided to stop offering
coverage on the US gulf coast. Others simply put up prices. As
insurance companies rely on re-insurers to take some of the risk
companies had to raise rates to preserve profits.

Florida has special problems, though, since all of their elected officials
seem to be either in the construction or real estate business. This means
that Florida building codes have been much more lax than the rest of the
country, and quite especially so for a hurricane and flood-prone area.

Things improved a good bit after Andrew, when we got to see TV coverage of
houses torn apart with chipboard subroofing and styrofoam sheeting all
over the place, but there's still a lot of stuff not built to the newer
code, and the newer code is nothing to write home about.

Post by William Hyde
Rising insurance narrows the pool of potential buyers. Banks won't give
mortgages for uninsured houses, so if you can't afford both the mortgage
and insurance payments you can't buy. Prices will have to drop until
houses start selling. If you are an older person trying to cash in on
your house before moving to care or rental housing, you won't get the
price you were expecting. And if you are renting, higher insurance
costs will be passed on to you.

This is a big deal.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott Lurndal

2025-01-12 16:41:52 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

Â Â Â Â So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

There are mutual insurers (such as state farm) where the
risk is spread over the pool of insured with premiums adjusted
appropriately. Excess premium dollars would be returned to the
insured annually. Although State Farm hasn't been able to return
anything for a decade or more IME.

William Hyde

2025-01-12 20:08:04 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

Â Â Â Â So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

As I recall there were far more mutual firms about thirty years ago.
Many demutualized, with the policy holders getting shares in the new
company. It was similar to the case of S&Ls a decade or so earlier but
at least in the case of my family's insurer, Canada Life, it was handled
well.

A guess at the insured cost of the current fires is 20 billion, but I'm
sure that will go up. And total cost is much higher.

William Hyde

2025-01-13 09:38:00 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ ÃÂ So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

As I recall there were far more mutual firms about thirty years ago. Many
demutualized, with the policy holders getting shares in the new company. It
was similar to the case of S&Ls a decade or so earlier but at least in the
case of my family's insurer, Canada Life, it was handled well.
A guess at the insured cost of the current fires is 20 billion, but I'm sure
that will go up. And total cost is much higher.
William Hyde

This is very interesting. In sweden, credit unions have almost completely
vanished as well. This is sad, because as a business owner, my two enemies
are the government and my bank. So I often thought that it would be nice
to move my stuff to a credit union, but only one remains, and it is
located in the other end of the country, so they are sadly not too keen on
taking on customers from everywhere, but are very much locally anchored to
regional farmers and people who live close by.

Paul S Person

2025-01-12 16:44:42 UTC

On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

<<snippo more stuff>>

Post by Bobbie Sellers
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

It's either that or raise rate ... nationwide. Gotta get the money to
cover the claims from /somewhere/, and adding it to the National Debt
is not available. So far.

As other posts discussed, California is in a similar situation due to
wildfires. Which ultimately may mean "poorly-managed infrastructure,
specifically electricity distribution". Or not, as the case may be.

Up here in Washington, a few years back State Farm announced a program
where, if a forest fire threatened, they would send a contractor out
to encase the house in anti-fire foam (or something like that). And
then to remove it when the danger was past.

This would, presumably, apply mostly to houses in the more rural (but
still formed into developments/towns) areas, where the forest (and so
the forest fire) was only a few streets away. Or so I thought until LA
caught fire. There are a lot of trees in Seattle ... not as many as
there used to be, because of developers who apparently never saw a
tree they didn't want to remove, but a lot and even more in the
suburbs. We are, after all, in the rain shadow of the Cascades, and
rain shadows have lots of water and so of plant life.

However, last year's bill included the information that that would no
longer be happening. It's hard to say what the next step in this will
be.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Dimensional Traveler

2025-01-12 16:59:34 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

<<snippo more stuff>>

Post by Bobbie Sellers
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

It was in part. The electrical utilities have spend a lot of money
(rate hikes) over the last several years updating and upgrading their
electrical equipment. The largest has been moving their lines
underground, which is not quick or cheap.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Paul S Person

2025-01-13 15:59:09 UTC

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:59:34 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

<<snippo more stuff>>

Post by Bobbie Sellers
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

Our rates keep going up as needed to keep the electricity (and the
water, these are two different city-run utilities) flowing. They are
apparently installing EV chargers along parking strips in some areas.
How that actually works I don't know: does the user charge the cost on
a card? is the homeowner stuck for the additional electricity used by
anyone who parks there and charges the car?

A recent discussion on Nextdoor, fueled by a suburb with lots a trees
and therefore lots of fallen power lines/poles in a recent major storm
("bomb tornado", IIRC), revealed that underground lines have problems
too. And cost a heck of a lot more to fix. But I suppose that depends,
to some extent, on the nature of ground they are under.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Dimensional Traveler

2025-01-13 16:06:39 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:59:34 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

<<snippo more stuff>>

Post by Bobbie Sellers
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

The user has to pay to charge their vehicle. Think parking meters.

Post by Paul S Person
is the homeowner stuck for the additional electricity used by
anyone who parks there and charges the car?
A recent discussion on Nextdoor, fueled by a suburb with lots a trees
and therefore lots of fallen power lines/poles in a recent major storm
("bomb tornado", IIRC), revealed that underground lines have problems
too. And cost a heck of a lot more to fix. But I suppose that depends,
to some extent, on the nature of ground they are under.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Cryptoengineer

2025-01-13 17:33:48 UTC

Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:59:34 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

<<snippo more stuff>>

So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

The user has to pay to charge their vehicle. Think parking meters.

I drive an EV.

Quite a few places offer free charging, but I don't think I've seen a
free municipally=owned charger for several years. They used to be fairly
common, when chargers weren't networked. Most now are, and run by
companies like ChargePoint, which have some kind of revenue sharing
scheme with the site owner.

Its not unusual to find free chargers at restaurants - the low
speed ones cost about $2/hour to run, and if that fills another
table, its money well spent.

pt

Paul S Person

2025-01-14 16:12:20 UTC

On Mon, 13 Jan 2025 08:06:39 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 08:59:34 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:32:54 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 14:48:19 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

<<snippo more stuff>>

Post by Bobbie Sellers
So Southern California should be abandoned by all but the
entertainment industry and the retirees should move to Florida.:^(

Florida is out -- retirees are fleeing because of the high condo fees,
or some such nonsense.
Well, according to /some/ online sources, anyway.

The user has to pay to charge their vehicle. Think parking meters.

Parking meters on steroids, but your point is well-taken.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Scott Dorsey

2025-01-09 23:20:53 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?

I'm okay but the city down the road (Richmond, VA) has been without
for about three days now. Looks like a case of poor plant maintenance
combined with electrical infrastructure that has fellen badly behind
demand but full details are not available yet.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Paul S Person

2025-01-10 17:22:38 UTC

Post by Scott Dorsey

Post by Lynn McGuire
Hey Bobbie,
Got water in your fire hydrants ?

Ah.

Infrastructure.

Not a sexy topic, politically (or any other way, I suspect). So it
tends to be ignored because "nobody cares".

Until it fails. Then /lots/ of people care.

Here's a clue: if the Biden infrastructure funding has been used up,
the only real alternative is /local taxes for local projects/. This
will not, I suppose affect you, but Richmond might find it a useful
concept.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Paul S Person

2025-01-10 17:12:32 UTC

On Wed, 8 Jan 2025 15:52:11 -0800, Bobbie Sellers

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

I don't think Trump is going to mimic a war waged to defeat Hitler and
everything Trump stands for.

Besides, he will never be able to run for President again [1]. He
doesn't need his base's votes. And Trump always stiffs people he
doesn't need any more.

[1] I suppose he could run as VP under some other Republican, who
would then resign as soon as both were sworn in. But I can't see Trump
running for the second position.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Paul S Person

2025-01-10 17:09:21 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.

I call them "spend and spend". As opposed to the "tax and spend"
Democrats fiscally-conservative Republicans used to attack.

Post by Scott Lurndal
One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

The goal of the GOP since Ronnie has been to destroy Social Security.

The National Debt is their primary weapon.

They aren't going to reduce it -- they are going to use it to destroy
Social Security, and probably Medicare as well.

Because, after all, 1%-ers don't need those programs, so nobody else
does either.

The /real/ problem is that the Dems aren't going to reduce the
National Debt either. Even if they collect money to do so, they will
find something else to spend it on.

Both Parties need severe wedgies. Republicans more than Democrats, but
the Dems are by no means exempt.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Dimensional Traveler

2025-01-11 02:05:59 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.

I call them "spend and spend". As opposed to the "tax and spend"
Democrats fiscally-conservative Republicans used to attack.

The goal of the GOP since Ronnie has been to destroy Social Security.
The National Debt is their primary weapon.
They aren't going to reduce it -- they are going to use it to destroy
Social Security, and probably Medicare as well.
Because, after all, 1%-ers don't need those programs, so nobody else
does either.
The /real/ problem is that the Dems aren't going to reduce the
National Debt either. Even if they collect money to do so, they will
find something else to spend it on.
Both Parties need severe wedgies. Republicans more than Democrats, but
the Dems are by no means exempt.

Historically the Dems have reduced the national debt and balanced the
budget MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than the Repubs. The Repubs don't even try
to do either.

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

Bobbie Sellers

2025-01-11 02:42:17 UTC

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.

I call them "spend and spend". As opposed to the "tax and spend"
Democrats fiscally-conservative Republicans used to attack.

One should reduce spending - before - reducing the income. Any rational
non-republican recognizes that. The "starve the beast" idiom is stupid
GOP thinking that obviously hasn't been effective.

The goal of the GOP since Ronnie has been to destroy Social Security.
The National Debt is their primary weapon.
They aren't going to reduce it -- they are going to use it to destroy
Social Security, and probably Medicare as well.
Because, after all, 1%-ers don't need those programs, so nobody else
does either.
The /real/ problem is that the Dems aren't going to reduce the
National Debt either. Even if they collect money to do so, they will
find something else to spend it on.
Both Parties need severe wedgies. Republicans more than Democrats, but
the Dems are by no means exempt.

Historically the Dems have reduced the national debt and balanced the
budget MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than the Repubs. The Repubs don't even try
to do either.

Yes but the Democratic Party at the National Level seems to
fumble getting this across to the Electorate. As well as the truism
that Democratic dominance means the people have better lives and
more secure employment. I do not like the present Republican Party
attitude towards wealth and taxation.Even George the Second (the bush)
saw the need to raise taxes but of course George the Third (bush) was
all about invading Iraq and not raising taxes to pay for the War.

The last truly sane Republican President was Eisenhower
who taxed the rich at high levels. His successor was a rich man
and a Democratic party member who cut the taxes on the rich which
his family and his pals were very grateful for.

The National Debt is a big nothing but money we owe to
ourselves. If we raised taxes on those to whom it would not
represent a hardship we could do without it but that is against
Republican Mythology.

Tricle down economics is not even a trickle but more
like the Chinese water torture of myth.

bliss

Paul S Person

2025-01-11 17:15:23 UTC

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:42:17 -0800, Bobbie Sellers
<bliss-***@dslextreme.com> wrote:

<snip-a-bit>

Post by Bobbie Sellers
The last truly sane Republican President was Eisenhower
who taxed the rich at high levels.

High levels in the higher tax brackets were part of fighting and
winning WWII. It took a while to relax from so intense an event. But
we didn't stay relaxed.

[https://www.thebalancemoney.com/national-debt-by-year-compared-to-gdp-and-major-events-3306287]
is an interesting table.

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

Paul S Person

2025-01-11 17:00:57 UTC

On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:05:59 -0800, Dimensional Traveler

Post by Lynn McGuire
Pearls Before Swine: Uncle At The Door
https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/01/08
I figure before this nightmare is over, they will come for all of our

It's your fault. Voting for for the spend and no tax republicans.

I call them "spend and spend". As opposed to the "tax and spend"
Democrats fiscally-conservative Republicans used to attack.

The goal of the GOP since Ronnie has been to destroy Social Security.
The National Debt is their primary weapon.
They aren't going to reduce it -- they are going to use it to destroy
Social Security, and probably Medicare as well.
Because, after all, 1%-ers don't need those programs, so nobody else
does either.
The /real/ problem is that the Dems aren't going to reduce the
National Debt either. Even if they collect money to do so, they will
find something else to spend it on.
Both Parties need severe wedgies. Republicans more than Democrats, but
the Dems are by no means exempt.

Historically the Dems have reduced the national debt and balanced the
budget MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than the Repubs. The Repubs don't even try
to do either.

To be sure, but that was in the past.

Clinton, our last fiscally-responisble President, left office with a
/surplus/. His Republican successor found nothing better to do with it
but reduce taxes on rich people. At least /that/ tax cut was funded.
Unlike the one in 2017.

And, let's face it, "reduce the Debt" just isn't as /sexy/ politically
as "let's spend the money on [just about anything else]".

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

2025-01-11 23:41:35 UTC

Post by Dimensional Traveler
budget MUCH, MUCH, MUCH more than the Repubs. The Repubs don't even try
to do either.

Reducing taxes is very erotic, and another way to say that is to give people
their freedom back.

Anyone who raises taxes is a homo, and that is a very bad thing.

Post by Paul S Person
And, let's face it, "reduce the Debt" just isn't as /sexy/ politically
as "let's spend the money on [just about anything else]".

Paul S Person

2025-01-10 17:04:59 UTC