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Sam's Club exit scanning technology
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Charles Packer
2024-01-16 08:59:17 UTC
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This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."

http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x

Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
Robert Carnegie
2024-01-16 12:12:11 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
Well, one interpretation is that "in the exit area of the club"
only applies to "digital technology", and they track you on
"computer vision" throughout your time in the store.

Another is that they photograph carts from above, so they
can see what's in bags.

Several other stores near me have a camera on me
at the self-checkout. I mean, on whoever is the customer.
I have no reason to think that they're especially concerned
about me.

I don't know that this recent read is a true story, and site
policy forbids discussing that, but according to this,
<https://notalwaysright.com/to-all-retail-workers-just-say-no/318141/>

Spoiler -

Supermarket security staff were able (and had the time)
to watch video of a customer selecting products on the
shelves, going to the staffed checkout, paying for each item,
taking her bags in the store shopping cart to her car,
and leaving the cart and one bag behind when she
drove the car away.

Logically, they should see what happened to the bag
after that, which wasn't reported as lost property.
I want to know, but maybe it's a legal case in the
near future, as one reason for the information to be
not included in the story. Other possible reasons exist.
Bice
2024-01-16 12:21:21 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags
There are Sams Clubs that bag your purchases? The one I go to
doesn't. In fact, most of what they sell are bulk items that wouldn't
fit in a bag.

-- Bob
Scott Lurndal
2024-01-16 16:26:24 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
The same technology Amazon used in their b&m stores.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/21/inside-amazons-surveillance-powered-no-checkout-convenience-store/
pete...@gmail.com
2024-01-16 17:57:19 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
This video explains the "Just Walk Out" technology used at both
Sam's and Amazon Fresh stores.



TLDNR: Smartphone, app to identify shopper and credit card, Cameras
and weight sensitive shelves to determine what they put in their cart and
basket.

pt
Lynn McGuire
2024-01-16 20:34:48 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
My Sam's Club spot checks three items in your basket.

Sam's Club does not bag anything.

Lynn
Scott Dorsey
2024-01-16 23:38:38 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
It's guilt and the fear of being caught that does it. The computer vision
system is an empty box with a Commodore 64 and a plastic lens, I bet.
Just like airport security, it doesn't have to work to be effective.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Mad Hamish
2024-02-06 03:11:12 UTC
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Post by Scott Dorsey
Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
It's guilt and the fear of being caught that does it. The computer vision
system is an empty box with a Commodore 64 and a plastic lens, I bet.
Just like airport security, it doesn't have to work to be effective.
Airport security found my nail clippers to let them break off the nail
file
(clearly I was intending to hijack a plane with a 3cm nail file...)
Robert Carnegie
2024-02-07 09:54:33 UTC
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Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
Did someone suggest this?
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tsa-full-body-scans-private-parts/>

But with an ordinary video camera
and Artificial Intelligence!

If you ask a computer in 2024 to imagine me
naked for you, working only from this post,
it will. I sincerely hope you enjoy the
result. Well... sincerely, I hope you
don't attempt it. And I hope the attempt
doesn't turn on my camera now.
Cryptoengineer
2024-02-07 19:44:28 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Charles Packer
This is an appropriate forum to ask what imaginary principles are
behind the technology Sam's Club uses in which, according to a
news release, "a combination of computer vision and digital
technology in the exit area of the club captures images of carts
and verifies that the customer has paid for all the items in
their basket."
http://tinyurl.com/mr5bbt3x
Considering that purchased items will likely be in bags and
therefore be invisible to "computer vision" mentioned in the quote
above. RFID technology is old stuff, of course, so it must be
something other than that, though the photo accompanying the news
release shows what looks like an RFID portal.
Did someone suggest this?
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tsa-full-body-scans-private-parts/>
But with an ordinary video camera
and Artificial Intelligence!
If you ask a computer in 2024 to imagine me
naked for you, working only from this post,
it will.  I sincerely hope you enjoy the
result.  Well...  sincerely, I hope you
don't attempt it.  And I hope the attempt
doesn't turn on my camera now.
The article appears to be in error. As I posted earlier:

----
This video explains the "Just Walk Out" technology used at both
Sam's and Amazon Fresh stores.

http://youtu.be/j9iNEhn4NmE

TLDNR: Smartphone, app to identify shopper and credit card, Cameras
and weight sensitive shelves to determine what they put in their cart
and basket.
----

So its counting stuff when you take it off the shelf, not when you leave.

pt

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