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[YASID] Heinlein character who plugs a vacuum leak with...
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danny burstein
2024-01-09 05:17:09 UTC
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The Alaska Airlines "undooring" reminded me of a Heinlein
story which... is just barely ticking my memory.

The character is involved in trying to save humanity
(aren't all of them?) and he's in a ?space ship? or
a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.

Sound at all familiar?

(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident it ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)

Thanks

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Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-01-09 05:57:59 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
The Alaska Airlines "undooring" reminded me of a Heinlein
story which... is just barely ticking my memory.
The character is involved in trying to save humanity
(aren't all of them?) and he's in a ?space ship? or
a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.
Sound at all familiar?
(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident it ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)
Thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen,_Be_Seated!
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danny burstein
2024-01-09 06:03:16 UTC
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In <***@mid.individual.net> ***@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by danny burstein
a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.
Sound at all familiar?
(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident in ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)
Thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen,_Be_Seated!
Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...

(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)

Thanks again
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Paul S Person
2024-01-09 17:02:45 UTC
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 06:03:16 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by danny burstein
a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.
Sound at all familiar?
(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident in ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)
Thanks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen,_Be_Seated!
Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...
(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.

Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!
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"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
danny burstein
2024-01-09 17:04:13 UTC
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In <***@4ax.com> Paul S Person <***@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

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Post by Paul S Person
Post by danny burstein
Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...
(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
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Paul S Person
2024-01-10 17:19:55 UTC
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:04:13 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
Post by Paul S Person
Post by danny burstein
Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...
(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
That wasn't one of them.

But the Kindle version I read as part of my Heinleinfest (so to speak)
had her dying at the end. Apparently, this was Heinleins preferred
ending. There is no accounting for taste.

Hardly the way a juvie is expected to end (although the animated movie
/Jack and the Cuckoo-Clock Heart/ appears to do this) -- but then,
IIRC, it was said /not/ to be a juvie when it was published. Of
course, "IIRC" is slippery when it is based on something that happened
long long ago.
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
The Horny Goat
2024-01-11 18:52:30 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:55 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:04:13 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by Paul S Person
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Been there done that!
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
That wasn't one of them.
But the Kindle version I read as part of my Heinleinfest (so to speak)
had her dying at the end. Apparently, this was Heinleins preferred
ending. There is no accounting for taste.
Besides "I Will Fear No Evil" and Lazarus Long in (can't remember
which book - he appeared in several) who else did Heinlein kill off?
And both were extremely aged (well kinda in the first case which is a
major spoiler to those who haven't read it which I hope everyone has -
it's about a male to female brain transplant) so not terribly
shocking.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-01-11 19:30:12 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:55 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:04:13 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by Paul S Person
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Been there done that!
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
That wasn't one of them.
But the Kindle version I read as part of my Heinleinfest (so to speak)
had her dying at the end. Apparently, this was Heinleins preferred
ending. There is no accounting for taste.
Besides "I Will Fear No Evil" and Lazarus Long in (can't remember
which book - he appeared in several) who else did Heinlein kill off?
And both were extremely aged (well kinda in the first case which is a
major spoiler to those who haven't read it which I hope everyone has -
it's about a male to female brain transplant) so not terribly
shocking.
Who did Heinlein kill off?

Michael Valentine Smith
Slipstick Libby (he got better)
Frank Mitsui
Rhysling
John Watts
Peggy Lerner
Baslim
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danny burstein
2024-01-11 19:59:49 UTC
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In <***@mid.individual.net> ***@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Who did Heinlein kill off?
Michael Valentine Smith
Slipstick Libby (he got better)
Frank Mitsui
Rhysling
John Watts
Peggy Lerner
Baslim
Leftanent John Ezra Dahlquist! ("I answer for him!")
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Scott Lurndal
2024-01-11 22:58:44 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
[snip]
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Who did Heinlein kill off?
Michael Valentine Smith
Slipstick Libby (he got better)
Frank Mitsui
Rhysling
John Watts
Peggy Lerner
Baslim
Leftanent John Ezra Dahlquist! ("I answer for him!")
And Joe and Gail in _Gulf_.
Scott Dorsey
2024-01-12 02:35:46 UTC
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Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Who did Heinlein kill off?
Michael Valentine Smith
Slipstick Libby (he got better)
Frank Mitsui
Rhysling
John Watts
Peggy Lerner
Baslim
Hugo Pinero. The protagonist in the first story he ever published. Blam.
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Mr.Somwang
2024-01-12 13:19:25 UTC
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Post by The Horny Goat
On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:55 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:04:13 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
Post by Paul S Person
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Been there done that!
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
That wasn't one of them.
But the Kindle version I read as part of my Heinleinfest (so to speak)
had her dying at the end. Apparently, this was Heinleins preferred
ending. There is no accounting for taste.
Besides "I Will Fear No Evil" and Lazarus Long in (can't remember
which book - he appeared in several)
I don't believe Lazarus Long ever died in a book
Assuming you count the regeneration process as "not dying"
He was fatally wounded in Time Enough For Love but saved and
reappeared in Number of the Beast and later books without dying
Post by The Horny Goat
who else did Heinlein kill off?
And both were extremely aged (well kinda in the first case which is a
major spoiler to those who haven't read it which I hope everyone has -
it's about a male to female brain transplant) so not terribly
shocking.
Lynn McGuire
2024-01-11 00:11:56 UTC
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Post by danny burstein
[snip]
Post by Paul S Person
Post by danny burstein
Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...
(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
Depends on which version of the "Podkayne of Mars" book that you read.
Or, which appendix of the last book published by Phoenix which has both
endings, the juvenile and the mature.
https://www.amazon.com/Podkayne-Mars-Robert-Heinlein/dp/1612422624

Lynn
Paul S Person
2024-01-11 16:28:56 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:11:56 -0600, Lynn McGuire
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by danny burstein
[snip]
Post by Paul S Person
Post by danny burstein
Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...
(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)
When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.
Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!
So did Podkayne live, or did she die??
Depends on which version of the "Podkayne of Mars" book that you read.
Or, which appendix of the last book published by Phoenix which has both
endings, the juvenile and the mature.
https://www.amazon.com/Podkayne-Mars-Robert-Heinlein/dp/1612422624
IIRC, that would be "the editor's preferred ending" and "Heinlein's
preferred ending", respectively.
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Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"
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