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Lynn McGuire
2021-03-10 22:25:50 UTC
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"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after COVID-19"

https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-predictions-about-life-after-covid-19/

"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the Spanish Flu
in 1918, back when the total population of the United States was 103
million. In the current pandemic, American deaths are already above
540,000 (remember when a projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but
our population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill
more Americans than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the
population dying will be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in
1918. But the numbers are close enough that one might guess the
long-term impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."

There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech football game
in 1918.

You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think that he
is correct about conferences.

Lynn
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-10 22:18:05 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pred
ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic, American
deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a projection of
160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population is now 331
million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans
than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying
will be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But
the numbers are close enough that one might guess the long-term
impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918. And
many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there were
lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were controversial. As
today, that controversy even erupted into occasional violence, even
murder. And as today, there were those who proclaimed things would
never go back to the way they were and people would be wearing
masks forever.

I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and the
roaring 20s was just a few short years later.

If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far - by
this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not completely
faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are now.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2021-03-11 18:42:19 UTC
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pred
ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic, American
deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a projection of
160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population is now 331
million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans
than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying
will be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But
the numbers are close enough that one might guess the long-term
impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918. And
many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there were
lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were controversial. As
today, that controversy even erupted into occasional violence, even
murder. And as today, there were those who proclaimed things would
never go back to the way they were and people would be wearing
masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and the
roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far - by
this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not completely
faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in those
brave States that are testing to see if it is over by dropping their
mask/social distancing rules.

In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if it
does.

And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we will
get this sucker under control. Eventually.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-11 23:52:38 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pr
ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population
is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more
Americans than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the
population dying will be much lower than the 0.65 percent
death rate in 1918. But the numbers are close enough that one
might guess the long-term impact of this pandemic could be
very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were those
who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they were
and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are
now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January. Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month. Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be caused by
it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue to decline.
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade away
into another seasonable disease that kills some people every yaar,
but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far, it has done so
pretty exactly. The vaccines will, perhaps, prevent a third wave,
which may or may not have happeneed without them (but with much
smaller numbers than the 2nd wave).
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Hamish Laws
2021-03-12 01:35:45 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pr
ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population
is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more
Americans than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the
population dying will be much lower than the 0.65 percent
death rate in 1918. But the numbers are close enough that one
might guess the long-term impact of this pandemic could be
very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were those
who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they were
and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are
now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
North Dakota went down to a 7 day average of 39 new cases a day on 10th Feb, they're now up to 78 cases a day as of March 10
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month.
Iowa is up to 530 as a 7 day moving average after a low of 486
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be caused by
it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue to decline.
Except that they haven't...
Their numbers are both heading up. Not as huge spikes, currently, but it's not a case of 2-3 weeks and you get a huge spike, it's a case of you get increases which build over time and get you a spike

They may not get a spike now, but it's bullshit to claim that what's happening there now shows that everything is fine.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade away
into another seasonable disease that kills some people every yaar,
but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far, it has done so
pretty exactly.
As I recall it you didn't think it would kill 500,000 people in the world, never mind in the USA...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
The vaccines will, perhaps, prevent a third wave,
which may or may not have happeneed without them (but with much
smaller numbers than the 2nd wave).
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-12 09:53:35 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pr
ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population
is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more
Americans than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the
population dying will be much lower than the 0.65 percent
death rate in 1918. But the numbers are close enough that one
might guess the long-term impact of this pandemic could be
very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were those
who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they were
and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are
now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
North Dakota went down to a 7 day average of 39 new cases a day on 10th Feb, they're now up to 78 cases a day as of March 10
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month.
Iowa is up to 530 as a 7 day moving average after a low of 486
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be caused by
it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue to decline.
Except that they haven't...
Their numbers are both heading up. Not as huge spikes, currently, but it's not a case of 2-3 weeks and you get a huge spike, it's a case of you get increases which build over time and get you a spike
They may not get a spike now, but it's bullshit to claim that what's happening there now shows that everything is fine.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade away
into another seasonable disease that kills some people every yaar,
but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far, it has done so
pretty exactly.
As I recall it you didn't think it would kill 500,000 people in the world, never mind in the USA...
You shouldn't presume that Terry means anything that he says.
Terry doesn't like human beings, and is just filling in time until
the species is wiped out. Naturally, he does what he can to
hurry this along.
Post by Hamish Laws
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
The vaccines will, perhaps, prevent a third wave,
which may or may not have happeneed without them (but with much
smaller numbers than the 2nd wave).
J. Clarke
2021-03-12 11:56:41 UTC
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2021 01:53:35 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Hamish Laws
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pr
ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population
is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more
Americans than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the
population dying will be much lower than the 0.65 percent
death rate in 1918. But the numbers are close enough that one
might guess the long-term impact of this pandemic could be
very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were those
who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they were
and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are
now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
North Dakota went down to a 7 day average of 39 new cases a day on 10th Feb, they're now up to 78 cases a day as of March 10
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month.
Iowa is up to 530 as a 7 day moving average after a low of 486
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be caused by
it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue to decline.
Except that they haven't...
Their numbers are both heading up. Not as huge spikes, currently, but it's not a case of 2-3 weeks and you get a huge spike, it's a case of you get increases which build over time and get you a spike
They may not get a spike now, but it's bullshit to claim that what's happening there now shows that everything is fine.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade away
into another seasonable disease that kills some people every yaar,
but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far, it has done so
pretty exactly.
As I recall it you didn't think it would kill 500,000 people in the world, never mind in the USA...
You shouldn't presume that Terry means anything that he says.
Terry doesn't like human beings,
Does Terry like _anything_ except being annoying?
Post by Robert Carnegie
and is just filling in time until
the species is wiped out. Naturally, he does what he can to
hurry this along.
Post by Hamish Laws
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
The vaccines will, perhaps, prevent a third wave,
which may or may not have happeneed without them (but with much
smaller numbers than the 2nd wave).
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-12 17:01:32 UTC
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Aaawwwww, Bobbie is feeling jealous and left out again. Have a
pantleg to hump.
Post by Robert Carnegie
On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:52:43 AM UTC+11, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-20
21-pr ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population
of the United States was 103 million. In the current
pandemic, American deaths are already above 540,000
(remember when a projection of 160,000 deaths seemed
crazy?) but our population is now 331 million. While
COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans than did
the Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying
will be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in
1918. But the numbers are close enough that one
might guess the long-term impact of this pandemic could
be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As
today, there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today,
they were controversial. As today, that controversy even
erupted into occasional violence, even murder. And as
today, there were those who proclaimed things would never
go back to the way they were and people would be wearing
masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly,
so far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory.
Not completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily
numbers are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers
are in those brave States that are testing to see if it is
over by dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that
dropped their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which
did so in January.
North Dakota went down to a 7 day average of 39 new cases a day
on 10th Feb, they're now up to 78 cases a day as of March 10
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month.
Iowa is up to 530 as a 7 day moving average after a low of 486
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be
caused by it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue
to decline.
Except that they haven't...
Their numbers are both heading up. Not as huge spikes,
currently, but it's not a case of 2-3 weeks and you get a huge
spike, it's a case of you get increases which build over time
and get you a spike
They may not get a spike now, but it's bullshit to claim that
what's happening there now shows that everything is fine.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the
same if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that
we will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade
away into another seasonable disease that kills some people
every yaar, but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far,
it has done so pretty exactly.
As I recall it you didn't think it would kill 500,000 people in
the world, never mind in the USA...
You shouldn't presume that Terry means anything that he says.
Terry doesn't like human beings, and is just filling in time
until the species is wiped out. Naturally, he does what he can
to hurry this along.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
The vaccines will, perhaps, prevent a third wave,
which may or may not have happeneed without them (but with
much smaller numbers than the 2nd wave).
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-12 17:00:53 UTC
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On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 11:52:43 AM UTC+11, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021
-pr ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of
the United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over
by dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
North Dakota went down to a 7 day average of 39 new cases a day
on 10th Feb, they're now up to 78 cases a day as of March 10
As opposed to the beak of over 1,400.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month.
Iowa is up to 530 as a 7 day moving average after a low of 486
As opposed to a peak of over 4,600.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be
caused by it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue
to decline.
Except that they haven't...
Their numbers are both heading up. Not as huge spikes,
currently, but it's not a case of 2-3 weeks and you get a huge
spike, it's a case of you get increases which build over time
and get you a spike
Both have numbers so low that any change at all looks big as a
percentage. North Dakota is two months since dropping the mask
mandate. How long does it take?
They may not get a spike now, but it's bullshit to claim that
what's happening there now shows that everything is fine.
Since I didn't claim that, you are a liar. Which will surprise no
one, including you.

It is an indication that any changes will be slow and small. No
conclusive, but that's what we're seeing so far.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that
we will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade
away into another seasonable disease that kills some people
every yaar, but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far,
it has done so pretty exactly.
As I recall it you didn't think it would kill 500,000 people in
the world, never mind in the USA...
The prediction at the time was tens of millions of more in the US
alone. I expressed doubts on that, and I was right. And while
500,000 is worse than a bad flu year, it's still less than the
worst flu year (at which time the US only had a third the
population).

And the point about historical patterns still stands, especially on
the social side. We're not seeing anything in terms of lockdowns,
masks mandates and blind, stupid panic that we didn't see in 1918,
with likely three times the total death rate, and jsut a few years
later it was, in fact, all forgotten.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-03-16 06:02:44 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pr
ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population
is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more
Americans than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the
population dying will be much lower than the 0.65 percent
death rate in 1918. But the numbers are close enough that one
might guess the long-term impact of this pandemic could be
very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were those
who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they were
and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are
now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other states...
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Or Iowa, which dropped theirs last month.
Which as still killed more of its population than 33 other states.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Both states are
well past the 2-3 week lag before any spike that would be caused by
it, and both have seen their daily numbers continue to decline.
And they killed a lot of people to get there.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
Or it will continue to follow historical patterns, and fade away
into another seasonable disease that kills some people every yaar,
but not in enough numbers to be a crisis. So far, it has done so
pretty exactly. The vaccines will, perhaps, prevent a third wave,
which may or may not have happeneed without them (but with much
smaller numbers than the 2nd wave).
You're the one who said it wasn't a crisis this time.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-16 16:24:00 UTC
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On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-
pr ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other
states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North Dakota is
#40.

So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit and
lies.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-03-16 16:26:59 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-
pr ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other
states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North Dakota is
#40.
So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit and
lies.
Wrong again:

<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>

Sort it by deaths/million.

#1 is New Jersey at 2,694 deaths per million

North Dakota is 12th at 1,912.

Iowa is 17th at 1,788.
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-16 18:48:37 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-
pr ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North Dakota is
#40.
So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit and
lies.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Sort it by deaths/million.
#1 is New Jersey at 2,694 deaths per million
North Dakota is 12th at 1,912.
Iowa is 17th at 1,788.
Made you look. Unless you got smart and are lying too.
Alan Baker
2021-03-16 18:51:09 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-
pr ed ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North Dakota is
#40.
So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit and
lies.
<https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/>
Sort it by deaths/million.
#1 is New Jersey at 2,694 deaths per million
North Dakota is 12th at 1,912.
Iowa is 17th at 1,788.
Made you look. Unless you got smart and are lying too.
He's literally obsessed with me.

:-)
Hamish Laws
2021-03-17 03:12:16 UTC
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On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that dropped
their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota, which did so in
January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North Dakota is
#40.
North Dakota is 13
Iowa is 17
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Click on the Deaths/1M population heading to sort it
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit and
lies.
He's right on this one (although they're not huge standouts)
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-17 17:48:10 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that
dropped their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota,
which did so in January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North
Dakota is #40.
North Dakota is 13
Iowa is 17
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Click on the Deaths/1M population heading to sort it
Yeah, I think having the browser zoomed in got me to looking at the
wrong column.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit
and lies.
He's right on this one (although they're not huge standouts)
The 2nd wave is pretty much done in the US. With the vaccine
becoming very widely available, if there is a third wave at all, it
will be pretty minor.

National numbers are not as smooth a curve, but California's 7 day
moving average has been smaller every day than the day before since
January 13th, and the percentage decrease per day has remained at
about 4%. It's sort of like compound interest in reverse. Numbers
elsewhere in the US are similar, despite the mutations being around
in the US for much longer than 2-3 weeks now.

As I've said before, a year from now, it will all be a fading
memory.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Alan Baker
2021-03-17 19:06:24 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On Wednesday, March 17, 2021 at 3:24:10 AM UTC+11, Jibini Kula
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
On 2021-03-11 3:52 p.m., Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Indeed. On the other hand, we could look at places that
dropped their mask mandate long ago, like North Dakota,
which did so in January.
And where they've killed a greater population than most other states...
In point of fact, Iowa is #35 in deaths/million, and North
Dakota is #40.
North Dakota is 13
Iowa is 17
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Click on the Deaths/1M population heading to sort it
Yeah, I think having the browser zoomed in got me to looking at the
wrong column.
Wow... ...that's almost an apology.
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
So, as usual, you're completely, totally, utterly full of shit
and lies.
He's right on this one (although they're not huge standouts)
The 2nd wave is pretty much done in the US. With the vaccine
becoming very widely available, if there is a third wave at all, it
will be pretty minor.
National numbers are not as smooth a curve, but California's 7 day
moving average has been smaller every day than the day before since
January 13th, and the percentage decrease per day has remained at
about 4%. It's sort of like compound interest in reverse. Numbers
elsewhere in the US are similar, despite the mutations being around
in the US for much longer than 2-3 weeks now.
As I've said before, a year from now, it will all be a fading
memory.
As you said before today, it was supposed to be less deadly than the
annual flu.

Care to give another non-apology?

:-)
Paul S Person
2021-03-16 17:46:20 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-pred
ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic, American
deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a projection of
160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our population is now 331
million. While COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans
than did the Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying
will be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But
the numbers are close enough that one might guess the long-term
impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I think
that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918. And
many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there were
lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were controversial. As
today, that controversy even erupted into occasional violence, even
murder. And as today, there were those who proclaimed things would
never go back to the way they were and people would be wearing
masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and the
roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far - by
this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not completely
faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in those
brave States that are testing to see if it is over by dropping their
mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if it
does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we will
get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.

Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course) who
claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for refusing to
either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America branch in Texas?

Apparently, businesses in Texas are still free to require that their
customers wear masks and social-distance. And some do. The guv just
dropped the requirement for out-of-doors.

I guess the concept of "private property", in some parts of Texas,
means "I decide what is allowed, not the business" to some people.

But not to the police, who apparently are still enforcing trespassing
laws.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-16 18:07:44 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-p
red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu, the
percentage of the population dying will be much lower than
the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers are
close enough that one might guess the long-term impact of
this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they
were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America branch
in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA or
the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected class.
Post by Paul S Person
Apparently, businesses in Texas are still free to require that
their customers wear masks and social-distance. And some do. The
guv just dropped the requirement for out-of-doors.
The governor has specifically said that businesses are fee to have
their own policies requiring masks.
Post by Paul S Person
I guess the concept of "private property", in some parts of
Texas, means "I decide what is allowed, not the business" to
some people.
But not to the police, who apparently are still enforcing
trespassing laws.
There's an infinite amoutn of stupid in the universe.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2021-03-20 18:28:02 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-p
red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu, the
percentage of the population dying will be much lower than
the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers are
close enough that one might guess the long-term impact of
this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they
were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America branch
in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA or
the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected class.
Just read a story about the same lady, apparently. Two things:

1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few things.
And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever located.

2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail after the
first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word yet on whether
she's back out on the streets).
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-20 22:16:28 UTC
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Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-p
red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu, the
percentage of the population dying will be much lower than
the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers are
close enough that one might guess the long-term impact of
this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they
were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America branch
in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA or
the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few things.
And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever located.
2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail after the
first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word yet on whether
she's back out on the streets).
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
BCFD36
2021-03-20 23:35:53 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer - Stellar Solutions (Definitely Retired)
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-21 00:45:43 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
I know this group covers fantasy as well as SF, but let's not be
ridiculous.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
BCFD36
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[stuff deleted\
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
I know this group covers fantasy as well as SF, but let's not be
ridiculous.
It was the plot to a VERY successful movie, in 1970. Helen Hayes was the
actress playing the stowaway. Also had Dean Martin, Jean Seberg,
Jacqueline Bisset (be still my heart), and George Kennedy.

It was called Airport. You may remember it.
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer - Stellar Solutions (Definitely Retired)
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 00:28:11 UTC
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[stuff deleted\
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
I know this group covers fantasy as well as SF, but let's not be
ridiculous.
It was the plot to a VERY successful movie, in 1970. Helen Hayes was the
actress playing the stowaway. Also had Dean Martin, Jean Seberg,
Jacqueline Bisset (be still my heart), and George Kennedy.
It was called Airport. You may remember it.
Nope. Unless that was the one with the white woman defusing an
argument by speaking African-American to a Black guy, which I
haven't seen either but it's been mentioned.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-22 01:16:50 UTC
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[stuff deleted\
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
I know this group covers fantasy as well as SF, but let's not be
ridiculous.
It was the plot to a VERY successful movie, in 1970. Helen Hayes was the
actress playing the stowaway. Also had Dean Martin, Jean Seberg,
Jacqueline Bisset (be still my heart), and George Kennedy.
It was called Airport. You may remember it.
Nope. Unless that was the one with the white woman defusing an
argument by speaking African-American to a Black guy, which I
haven't seen either but it's been mentioned.
That was Airplane! :)

Airport (1970): https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065377/
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Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.
Quadibloc
2021-03-30 19:44:36 UTC
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It was called Airport. You may remember it.
Nope. Unless that was the one with the white woman defusing an
argument by speaking African-American to a Black guy, which I
haven't seen either but it's been mentioned.
No, that was Airplane. It starred Leslie Nielsen, who also played
Commander John J. Adams in Forbidden Planet.

Airport is much older. Dean Martin appeared in it as the pilot
of the airplane.

John Savard
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-29 23:27:44 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of
the female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself
aboard outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for
it and currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING
TO GET TO O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her
name and whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on
the aircraft she sneaks on to.
I know this group covers fantasy as well as SF, but let's not be
ridiculous.
I could name half a dozen TV shows that would pay top dollar for a
script.

So could you, if you watched network television.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-21 01:33:02 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
Pretty sure her name isn't Bruce Willis or Samuel Jackson. :-P
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Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.
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2021-03-21 02:08:27 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
Pretty sure her name isn't Bruce Willis or Samuel Jackson. :-P
Nope, Marilyn Hartman.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/marilyn-hartman-arrested-ohare-airport-trnd/index.html

There's a picture. She looks ... the way one would expect her to
look.
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-21 10:59:52 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
Pretty sure her name isn't Bruce Willis or Samuel Jackson. :-P
Nope, Marilyn Hartman.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/marilyn-hartman-arrested-ohare-airport-trnd/index.html
There's a picture. She looks ... the way one would expect her to
look.
"Her streak continued"

Isn't that something else?

She was caught once in London, England.
A target-rich environment, but I assume they got
her at the airport. Or when she used her senior
subway pass. (I'm speculating.)
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-21 14:02:01 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
She will be successful again and go on to abort a hijacking on the
aircraft she sneaks on to.
Pretty sure her name isn't Bruce Willis or Samuel Jackson. :-P
Nope, Marilyn Hartman.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/marilyn-hartman-arrested-ohare-airport-trnd/index.html
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's a picture. She looks ... the way one would expect her to
look.
"Her streak continued"
Isn't that something else?
She was caught once in London, England.
A target-rich environment, but I assume they got
her at the airport. Or when she used her senior
subway pass. (I'm speculating.)
I don't know how she got on the plane to London, but when she
arrived it was observed that she had neither a ticket nor a
passport, and they plunked her on a plane back to the US.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Scott Lurndal
2021-03-21 00:40:50 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
You mean that nice little old lady in _Airport_?
David Johnston
2021-03-21 03:29:57 UTC
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021-p
red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of the
Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of the
United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu, the
percentage of the population dying will be much lower than
the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers are
close enough that one might guess the long-term impact of
this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and 1918.
And many other pandemics throughout history. As today, there
were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way they
were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask, and
the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly all
pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so far -
by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are in
those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if
it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America branch
in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA or
the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few things.
And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever located.
2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail after the
first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word yet on whether
she's back out on the streets).
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
Titus G
2021-03-21 04:28:07 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-21 07:45:54 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
Okay. Now send a one way ticket to everyone to where they choose. (The
word you are looking for is "precedent".)
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2021-03-21 14:08:39 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
I suspect your tongue is in your cheek. She is not all right in
the head. I haven't researched her much, but Hal says she says
she "feels safer" in an airport or on a plane.

There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-21 18:33:25 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
I suspect your tongue is in your cheek. She is not all right in
the head. I haven't researched her much, but Hal says she says
she "feels safer" in an airport or on a plane.
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.

Mentally unwell lady could be accommodated here.
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/727-airplane-house-oregon/>

But she may be lying about all that.

They tell you travelling on a plane is the safest thing,
they should consider the consequences.
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 00:32:38 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.

If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
J. Clarke
2021-03-22 02:42:29 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
FWIW, first one for me was no reaction at all. Second I was sore
where it went in for a couple of days, didn't think I was feeling
anything otherwise. Got up on a step stool and got back off--my
balance was completely shot. That was yesterday, I'm feeling _much_
better now.
Kevrob
2021-03-22 05:02:37 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
Way to go, Dorothy.

I'm getting my all-in-one shot, tomorrow. It should be a nice
spring day for the outing. I might even do a few errands on
the way home.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
FWIW, first one for me was no reaction at all. Second I was sore
where it went in for a couple of days, didn't think I was feeling
anything otherwise. Got up on a step stool and got back off--my
balance was completely shot. That was yesterday, I'm feeling _much_
better now.
I don't plan to push it. If I even feel a bit woozy I'll
head straight back home. I can't rule out becoming
giddy with relief. Riding the bus should cure that. :)
--
Kevin R
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 13:20:16 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
Way to go, Dorothy.
I'm getting my all-in-one shot, tomorrow. It should be a nice
spring day for the outing. I might even do a few errands on
the way home.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
FWIW, first one for me was no reaction at all. Second I was sore
where it went in for a couple of days, didn't think I was feeling
anything otherwise. Got up on a step stool and got back off--my
balance was completely shot. That was yesterday, I'm feeling _much_
better now.
I don't plan to push it. If I even feel a bit woozy I'll
head straight back home. I can't rule out becoming
giddy with relief. Riding the bus should cure that. :)
Well, last night I felt a little blister at the injection site--
at least I think that's where it was. Alternatively, it was a
flea: the cats picked up some fleas last month and it's possible
the flea collars haven't done them all in yet. And as predicted,
a little soreness, a little swelling.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
J. Clarke
2021-03-22 16:19:54 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
Way to go, Dorothy.
I'm getting my all-in-one shot, tomorrow. It should be a nice
spring day for the outing. I might even do a few errands on
the way home.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
FWIW, first one for me was no reaction at all. Second I was sore
where it went in for a couple of days, didn't think I was feeling
anything otherwise. Got up on a step stool and got back off--my
balance was completely shot. That was yesterday, I'm feeling _much_
better now.
I don't plan to push it. If I even feel a bit woozy I'll
head straight back home. I can't rule out becoming
giddy with relief. Riding the bus should cure that. :)
Well, last night I felt a little blister at the injection site--
at least I think that's where it was. Alternatively, it was a
flea: the cats picked up some fleas last month and it's possible
the flea collars haven't done them all in yet. And as predicted,
a little soreness, a little swelling.
Wally World used a weird band-aid--it has a sticky ring and a hollow
center, and they inject through the band-aid. I presume they don't
want anything to come in contact with the injection site for a while.
Dunno what that signifies, just thought it worth mentioning.
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 20:17:46 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID shot
(yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
Way to go, Dorothy.
I'm getting my all-in-one shot, tomorrow. It should be a nice
spring day for the outing. I might even do a few errands on
the way home.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
FWIW, first one for me was no reaction at all. Second I was sore
where it went in for a couple of days, didn't think I was feeling
anything otherwise. Got up on a step stool and got back off--my
balance was completely shot. That was yesterday, I'm feeling _much_
better now.
I don't plan to push it. If I even feel a bit woozy I'll
head straight back home. I can't rule out becoming
giddy with relief. Riding the bus should cure that. :)
Well, last night I felt a little blister at the injection site--
at least I think that's where it was. Alternatively, it was a
flea: the cats picked up some fleas last month and it's possible
the flea collars haven't done them all in yet. And as predicted,
a little soreness, a little swelling.
Wally World used a weird band-aid--it has a sticky ring and a hollow
center, and they inject through the band-aid. I presume they don't
want anything to come in contact with the injection site for a while.
Dunno what that signifies, just thought it worth mentioning.
_Ex abundantia cautelae._ Mine, meanwhile, developed that small
blister at the injection site, which popped, and scabbed over,
and swelled up a tiny bit, so I've put a band-aid on it. Other
than that, standard flu-shot symptoms: a little swelling, a little
ache, a little warmth. If it follows the usual pattern, it'll all
be gone by Wednesday.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-29 23:32:18 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID
shot (yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
It took 14 hours for the site of the injection to be a little tender
for about a day. That was it. My second shot is the 7th.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
As llong as it's not *too* intesting *to* let us know.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-29 23:54:53 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID
shot (yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
It took 14 hours for the site of the injection to be a little tender
for about a day. That was it. My second shot is the 7th.
If I do have any INN-teresting reactions, I'll let you know.
As llong as it's not *too* intesting *to* let us know.
So far, nothing to write home about. The same mild swelling and
mild ache that I got with the first one, and with every flu shot
I've had in my life. The only difference was that I developed a
tiny little blister on the injection site. All back to what we
may call normal now, and Hal has also had his two shots. I have
a couple of masks that we can wear when we next go out together:
white lettering on black, says "VACCINATED AND STILL MASKED."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Alan Baker
2021-03-30 00:25:13 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID
shot (yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
It took 14 hours for the site of the injection to be a little tender
for about a day. That was it. My second shot is the 7th.
But you said the whole thing was a hoax...
Paul S Person
2021-03-30 16:37:38 UTC
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID
shot (yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
It took 14 hours for the site of the injection to be a little tender
for about a day. That was it. My second shot is the 7th.
But you said the whole thing was a hoax...
Clearly he is not one to let ideology get in the way of his own
safety.

But every vaccination helps.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-30 18:56:52 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
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Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID
shot (yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
It took 14 hours for the site of the injection to be a little tender
for about a day. That was it. My second shot is the 7th.
But you said the whole thing was a hoax...
Just for the record, I never said anything of the sort.

BTW, my second injection was like the first, except I also got a
tiny little blister on the injection site. Now, ten days later,
there's a little pink mark like a mosquito bite. No chills, no
fevers, nothing to write home about (particularly since I'm
already at home).
Post by Paul S Person
Clearly he is not one to let ideology get in the way of his own
safety.
Oh yeah, I killfiled him way back in the Upper Pleistocene.
Post by Paul S Person
But every vaccination helps.
Correct.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Paul S Person
2021-03-31 15:50:04 UTC
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Post by Alan Baker
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
In article
Post by Robert Carnegie
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
There's probably a Wikipedia article on her, but I have to get
through USENET and breakfast and go out for my second COVID
shot (yay!), which is at 9:35 AM.
Enjoy! I hear the second one isn't so bad.
I have number one tomorrow.
Well, I had it around 8 AM this morning. No reaction so far.
What I'm expecting is what I usually get with a flu shot (and
what I got with the first COVID shot): the day of, nothing; the
day after and the day after that, a little swelling and a little
soreness; after that, back to normal.
It took 14 hours for the site of the injection to be a little tender
for about a day. That was it. My second shot is the 7th.
But you said the whole thing was a hoax...
Just for the record, I never said anything of the sort.
He wasn't responding to you.

But I can see that it would look that way.
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
BTW, my second injection was like the first, except I also got a
tiny little blister on the injection site. Now, ten days later,
there's a little pink mark like a mosquito bite. No chills, no
fevers, nothing to write home about (particularly since I'm
already at home).
Post by Paul S Person
Clearly he is not one to let ideology get in the way of his own
safety.
Oh yeah, I killfiled him way back in the Upper Pleistocene.
Hence the omission of his response, if any?
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Paul S Person
But every vaccination helps.
Correct.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Titus G
2021-03-22 03:34:27 UTC
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<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/727-airplane-house-oregon/>
Amazing. I assume he sleeps in a chair?

Would the equivalent tiny home for city dwelling be a helicopter?
Jay E. Morris
2021-03-22 19:17:10 UTC
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<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/727-airplane-house-oregon/>
Amazing. I assume he sleeps in a chair?
Would the equivalent tiny home for city dwelling be a helicopter?
He's not alone. This is a list on
https://www.pinterest.com/roberthathaway9/airplane-houses/

Also wasn't the first. Joanne Ussery did one (maybe the first) in 1995.
Got that one bookmarked.
https://aviationhumor.net/the-boeing-727-house/

"The floor plan consisted of three bedrooms, a living room/dining room,
a fully equipped kitchen, a laundry area and her favorite room, the
master bathroom with a Jacuzzi, in what was once the cockpit."

I remember reading long ago of a Tennessee (IIRC) company that had three
available for around $200,000 each. That must have involved more that
just the plane though.
Paul S Person
2021-03-21 16:31:20 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...

an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-21 17:33:12 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Jay E. Morris
2021-03-22 00:21:49 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 00:47:21 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?

That's pitiful.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-22 02:27:18 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come. Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".

So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...

With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...

Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there. She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-22 02:44:09 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come. Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...
With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...
Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there. She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Which begs the question of why the airport TSA metal detectors didn't.
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Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 13:22:25 UTC
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In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come. Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...
With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...
Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there. She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Which begs the question of why the airport TSA metal detectors didn't.
If I recall correctly, her *phone* got tracked, and as she
entered the airport, whoever's tracking her activated her ankle
monitor, which let them right to her. Perhaps she didn't get as
far as the TSA station?
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-22 18:49:52 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come. Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...
With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...
Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there. She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Which begs the question of why the airport TSA metal detectors didn't.
If I recall correctly, her *phone* got tracked, and as she
entered the airport, whoever's tracking her activated her ankle
monitor, which let them right to her. Perhaps she didn't get as
far as the TSA station?
Why was her ankle monitor turned off in the first place? The whole
point of them is to inform the relevant authority that the subject is
leaving someplace they are not supposed to leave, not to go chase them
down after they've been "off the reservation" for some time already.

As for tracking her phone, if she's paranoid about a world-wide
conspiracy why were they trusting that she'd carry around the most
publicly obvious means for "them" to track her with? The more I hear
the more it seems like someone fornicated upwards in a major way.
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Jay E. Morris
2021-03-22 19:33:52 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come.  Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...
With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...
Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there.  She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Which begs the question of why the airport TSA metal detectors didn't.
If I recall correctly, her *phone* got tracked, and as she
entered the airport, whoever's tracking her activated her ankle
monitor, which let them right to her.  Perhaps she didn't get as
far as the TSA station?
Why was her ankle monitor turned off in the first place?  The whole
point of them is to inform the relevant authority that the subject is
leaving someplace they are not supposed to leave, not to go chase them
down after they've been "off the reservation" for some time already.
As for tracking her phone, if she's paranoid about a world-wide
conspiracy why were they trusting that she'd carry around the most
publicly obvious means for "them" to track her with?  The more I hear
the more it seems like someone fornicated upwards in a major way.
The ankle bracelet was not turned off and it may also have been tracked
at times. What was turned on was an alarm speaker on it, which led the
police to her. Hard to be inconspicuous when your ankle is wailing.
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-22 20:24:55 UTC
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Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come.  Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
I was in a care home for most of a month, recovering from
pancreatitis. About half the inmates were middle-aged people
recovering from hip replacement surgery or something. The rest
were dementia (or related) patients who would never leave except
feet first. I used to walk around and around the hallway, seeing
them sitting in their wheelchairs, staring into space.

And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
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Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Joy Beeson
2021-03-23 18:17:45 UTC
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And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.

But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
--
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joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
Moriarty
2021-03-23 20:49:13 UTC
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And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?

-Moriarty
Leif Roar Moldskred
2021-03-23 20:55:11 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
--
Leif Roar Moldskred
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-23 23:35:56 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
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Kevrob
2021-03-24 00:11:49 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
--
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Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-24 04:12:17 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
Three, four, or more wheels.

Hal's going to be riding one when we go to Disney World. I'll be
in a wheelchair pushed by turns by my daughter or my son-in-law.
My grandson will *not* get rides in my lap.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
J. Clarke
2021-03-24 10:08:22 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
Three, four, or more wheels.
Hal's going to be riding one when we go to Disney World. I'll be
in a wheelchair pushed by turns by my daughter or my son-in-law.
My grandson will *not* get rides in my lap.
So you're not going to be like Cutter John flying the Enterprise?
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-24 11:27:10 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
Three, four, or more wheels.
Hal's going to be riding one when we go to Disney World. I'll be
in a wheelchair pushed by turns by my daughter or my son-in-law.
My grandson will *not* get rides in my lap.
So you're not going to be like Cutter John flying the Enterprise?
Nope. The chair is the kind that's pushed by an attendant, not
the kind the rider can propel.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-24 12:32:40 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
Three, four, or more wheels.
Hal's going to be riding one when we go to Disney World. I'll be
in a wheelchair pushed by turns by my daughter or my son-in-law.
My grandson will *not* get rides in my lap.
So you're not going to be like Cutter John flying the Enterprise?
Nope. The chair is the kind that's pushed by an attendant, not
the kind the rider can propel.
Just tell grandson he can ride in your lap while he's pushing you
around. :D
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Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-24 15:24:08 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
Three, four, or more wheels.
Hal's going to be riding one when we go to Disney World. I'll be
in a wheelchair pushed by turns by my daughter or my son-in-law.
My grandson will *not* get rides in my lap.
So you're not going to be like Cutter John flying the Enterprise?
Nope. The chair is the kind that's pushed by an attendant, not
the kind the rider can propel.
Just tell grandson he can ride in your lap while he's pushing you
around. :D
Heh. That's a good one. However, he's 13, too big to ride in my
lap, and not big enough to push me around. Give him five years,
he may be capable of the latter, but I'm not going to make plans
in that direction.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Jerry Brown
2021-03-24 07:06:54 UTC
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The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
"Speak friend and exit"?
There are two doors. In front of one is an orderly that always tell
the truth...
Does the orderly have three questions for you?
--
The answer to one famous riddle becomes "...and at night goes
out on three wheels...or maybe 4."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter
Tripodia (or maybe quadopodia) is the key insight?
--
Jerry Brown

A cat may look at a king
(but probably won't bother)
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-24 04:09:07 UTC
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And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
I wouldn't trust that. The patient may have moments of sudden
clarity *just* at the wrong moment; and the visitor may not be
good at puzzles.

I am not good at puzzles, for example, and I didn't want to get
out of the facility any time before it was time. I hate to
imagine myself wandering along the sidewalk in South Berkeley,
dragging my IV bag on its PICC line.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
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But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
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Paul S Person
2021-03-24 16:20:26 UTC
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And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-24 18:46:26 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
That Oglaf cartoon with the ball of yarn...
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-24 23:59:33 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
... then s/he goes to the staff desk and says, "Excuse me, Ms.,
can you open the door for me?"
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-25 14:23:04 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
... then s/he goes to the staff desk and says, "Excuse me, Ms.,
can you open the door for me?"
And if they get to "Do you know who I am?" then they
get "Oh, just go and ask your nurse, they'll tell you."
Hamish Laws
2021-03-25 04:57:57 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
I'm pretty sure that stroke victims in my local hospital are allowed to leave if they can find their way to the street from the ward
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-25 05:02:59 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
I'm pretty sure that stroke victims in my local hospital are allowed to
leave if they can find their way to the street from the ward
But what if they stumble on it by accident, and stumble again
going down the steps, and get worse and/or die? I think the
center's lawyers would be firm supporters of keeping that door
locked with a key.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
r***@rosettacondot.com
2021-03-25 11:35:27 UTC
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Post by Joy Beeson
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
I'm pretty sure that stroke victims in my local hospital are allowed to
leave if they can find their way to the street from the ward
But what if they stumble on it by accident, and stumble again
going down the steps, and get worse and/or die? I think the
center's lawyers would be firm supporters of keeping that door
locked with a key.
I think this might have come up before, but there are very few places where
locked exit doors are permitted (generally places where the authorities
prefer to have the inhabitants burn to death rather than escape uncontrolled
during a fire.)
I worked in a building with badged entry and exit doors and the furthest
the fire code would stretch was delayed-egress crash bars on the exits. They
emitted an unholy racket when pressed, alerted security and, after 15 seconds
delay, released the door. Pulling a fire alarm did the same, but for the
entire building (along with strobes and summoning the fire department).
Ours were magnetic, although I don't recall at this point whether that was
in addition to or instead of traditional latches.
Both the assisted living my dad is in and the memory care my mom was in use
coded and alarmed exit doors...you can get out, it just sets off a racket
when you do that goes on until the staff resets the system.

Robert
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Robert Carnegie
2021-03-25 14:41:47 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
And the doors to the outside were locked, and visitors needed to
get a staff member with a key to let them out. This was to keep
those who might otherwise go wandering out and about from doing
so.
The exits on my sister's care home have --or had-- puzzle locks, with
instructions to the puzzle posted on a side wall, in indirect verbage
that you need a clear head to decipher.
But you need a staff member to let you out of the wing she is in.
And when a visitor couldn't figure out the puzzle, then ...
I'm pretty sure that stroke victims in my local hospital are allowed to
leave if they can find their way to the street from the ward
But what if they stumble on it by accident, and stumble again
going down the steps, and get worse and/or die? I think the
center's lawyers would be firm supporters of keeping that door
locked with a key.
How often does <https://www.google.com/search?q=stairwell+died+hospital>
happen? I found four so far, I think, but "many times in the past"
says <https://www.patientsafetysolutions.com/docs/July_7_2020_Another_Patient_Found_Dead_in_a_Stairwell.htm>

a.k.a. "Isn't it supposed to be easy to be wise after the event."

ObSF? In Ben Aaronovitch's _Whispers Under Ground_,
apprentice police wizard Peter Grant gets knocked around
and hospitalised, but after rest and plot developments
he decided to "discharge myself. You'd be amazed how
long that can take." He has been examined for brain injury,
which might be an issue, but that's all that he tells us.
Dimensional Traveler
2021-03-22 20:51:48 UTC
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Post by Dimensional Traveler
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jay E. Morris
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
snip
Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she
will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come.  Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...
With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...
Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there.  She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Which begs the question of why the airport TSA metal detectors didn't.
If I recall correctly, her *phone* got tracked, and as she
entered the airport, whoever's tracking her activated her ankle
monitor, which let them right to her.  Perhaps she didn't get as
far as the TSA station?
Why was her ankle monitor turned off in the first place?  The whole
point of them is to inform the relevant authority that the subject is
leaving someplace they are not supposed to leave, not to go chase them
down after they've been "off the reservation" for some time already.
As for tracking her phone, if she's paranoid about a world-wide
conspiracy why were they trusting that she'd carry around the most
publicly obvious means for "them" to track her with?  The more I hear
the more it seems like someone fornicated upwards in a major way.
The ankle bracelet was not turned off and it may also have been tracked
at times. What was turned on was an alarm speaker on it, which led the
police to her. Hard to be inconspicuous when your ankle is wailing.
That's a bit better.
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Angrily, angrily, angrily, the net's a nut's scream.
Robert Carnegie
2021-03-22 22:47:35 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Jay E. Morris
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Titus G
snip
Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will
remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
But ... but ... but ...
an actual /ticket/ would take all the fun out of it!
And it is entirely possible that when she landed, she would
refuse to deplane. Apparently she "feels safer on a plane."
She believes there is a worldwide conspiracy that exists to harass her
and when an incidence happens it triggers a flight response. She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Really?
That's pitiful.
Apparently, care homes for the confused find it
useful to have a bus stop nearby, with seats,
where no buses come. Any resident who wanders
out just settles down to wait for a bus "home".
So in this case they just need to build an airport
across the road...
With a sufficient budget, they could give her
a "plane" ride, then deposit her back in the
care centre...
Or, cheaper, set up TSA just inside the front door;
catch her there. She's got a GPS tag which
should set off the metal detector every time.
Which begs the question of why the airport TSA metal detectors didn't.
If I recall correctly, her *phone* got tracked, and as she
entered the airport, whoever's tracking her activated her ankle
monitor, which let them right to her. Perhaps she didn't get as
far as the TSA station?
Why was her ankle monitor turned off in the first place? The whole
point of them is to inform the relevant authority that the subject is
leaving someplace they are not supposed to leave, not to go chase them
down after they've been "off the reservation" for some time already.
As for tracking her phone, if she's paranoid about a world-wide
conspiracy why were they trusting that she'd carry around the most
publicly obvious means for "them" to track her with? The more I hear
the more it seems like someone fornicated upwards in a major way.
The ankle bracelet was not turned off and it may also have been tracked
at times. What was turned on was an alarm speaker on it, which led the
police to her. Hard to be inconspicuous when your ankle is wailing.
I think in the story that Dorothy told or linked,
the ankle gadget /is/ a phone, but when it talked
to her, Mrs Flightrisk didn't respond. Then as you
say, they turned on the alarm.
Joy Beeson
2021-03-23 18:16:00 UTC
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She then
tries to board any flight she can, not even knowing the destination.
Just, not here.
Reminds me of an incident on my bike tour of Southern England, going
north after visiting Dover Castle. I somehow blundered onto an A road
and found myself on a foot-wide shoulder with a lethal row of
reflectors on my right and a sheer drop into a river far, far below on
my left. When an exit appeared, I took it, and didn't care where it
would take me.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
David Johnston
2021-03-21 18:07:47 UTC
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Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
Not considering that that she wouldn't be satisfied by one ticket.
It's a compulsion rooted in actual mental illness.
Titus G
2021-03-22 03:35:00 UTC
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snip
Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will remain in
custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here. What a
fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person! Wouldn't it be
cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where she chooses?
Not considering that that she wouldn't be satisfied by one ticket. It's
a compulsion rooted in actual mental illness.
Yes. I now understand her motivation from the post from Morris, that she
thinks she is escaping a specific current incident.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-29 23:30:11 UTC
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Post by David Johnston
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of
the female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself
aboard outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for
it and currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING
TO GET TO O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her
name and whether she is locked up again.
Marilyn Hartman and yes her bond has been revoked and she will
remain in custody until trial, or institutionalization.
I know nothing about this apart from what has been posted here.
What a fortune must be being spent on such a crazy person!
Wouldn't it be cheaper to shout her a one way ticket to where
she chooses?
Since it seems to be more about sneaking aboard than getting to a
specific place, no, I suspect, it would not be cheaper. She'd just
hope on another outbound plane immediately.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-29 23:27:01 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:07:44 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-202
1-p red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of
the United States was 103 million. In the current
pandemic, American deaths are already above 540,000
(remember when a projection of 160,000 deaths seemed
crazy?) but our population is now 331 million. While
COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the
Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying will
be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918.
But the numbers are close enough that one might guess the
long-term impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly,
so far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory.
Not completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily
numbers are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over
by dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that
we will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America
branch in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA
or the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected
class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few
things. And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever
located.
2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail
after the first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word
yet on whether she's back out on the streets).
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
One would think that after a dozen attempts, they'd stop letting
her out. She clearly needs to be in a more structured environment.
22 attempts so far.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2021-03-30 16:39:01 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:27:01 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:07:44 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-202
1-p red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of
the United States was 103 million. In the current
pandemic, American deaths are already above 540,000
(remember when a projection of 160,000 deaths seemed
crazy?) but our population is now 331 million. While
COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the
Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying will
be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918.
But the numbers are close enough that one might guess the
long-term impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly,
so far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory.
Not completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily
numbers are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over
by dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that
we will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America
branch in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA
or the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected
class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few
things. And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever
located.
2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail
after the first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word
yet on whether she's back out on the streets).
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
One would think that after a dozen attempts, they'd stop letting
her out. She clearly needs to be in a more structured environment.
22 attempts so far.
No doubt they have foiled several thousands attempts where she never
reached the airport.

No system is perfect.

Especially if it involves a computer.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-30 18:57:26 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:27:01 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Dorothy J Heydt
Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:07:44 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-202
1-p red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of
the United States was 103 million. In the current
pandemic, American deaths are already above 540,000
(remember when a projection of 160,000 deaths seemed
crazy?) but our population is now 331 million. While
COVID-19 will undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the
Spanish flu, the percentage of the population dying will
be much lower than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918.
But the numbers are close enough that one might guess the
long-term impact of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly,
so far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory.
Not completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily
numbers are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over
by dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that
we will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America
branch in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA
or the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected
class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few
things. And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever
located.
2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail
after the first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word
yet on whether she's back out on the streets).
In other news of approximately the same kind, the nutcase of the
female persuasion who keeps trying to smuggle herself aboard
outbound aircraft, and has been repeatedly arrested for it and
currently sports an ankle bracelet, WAS TRACKED TRYING TO GET TO
O'HARE AIRPORT again, arrested again, I forget her name and
whether she is locked up again.
One would think that after a dozen attempts, they'd stop letting
her out. She clearly needs to be in a more structured environment.
22 attempts so far.
No doubt they have foiled several thousands attempts where she never
reached the airport.
No system is perfect.
Especially if it involves a computer.
Or human beings.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Leif Roar Moldskred
2021-03-31 10:11:01 UTC
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No system is perfect.
Especially if it involves a computer.
Or human beings.
Or especially both.
--
Leif Roar Moldskred
Do users or system administrators count as human beings?
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-03-31 15:23:12 UTC
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No system is perfect.
Especially if it involves a computer.
Or human beings.
Or especially both.
Hence the acronym PEBCAK (sometimes, for some reason, spelled
PEBCEK), used by staffers of computer help desks. Stands for
Problem Exits Between Chair And Keyboard. In other words,
"stupid user," which in some cases is a redundancy.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Leif Roar Moldskred
2021-03-31 16:18:27 UTC
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Hence the acronym PEBCAK (sometimes, for some reason, spelled
PEBCEK), used by staffers of computer help desks. Stands for
Problem Exits Between Chair And Keyboard. In other words,
"stupid user," which in some cases is a redundancy.
Also sometimes known as a "Layer 8 problem" or denoted with
the error-code ID-10-T.
--
Leif Roar Moldskred
I suppose a "Layer 9 problem" would be an organizational
issue.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-29 23:25:21 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:07:44 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
Post by Paul S Person
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021
-p red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of
the United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America
branch in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA or
the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected
class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few
things. And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever
located.
Heh. Texax has a lot of immigrants who moved their becauset their
home states, often California, are such fucked up messes that
they're becoming completely unlivable. And demanding that Texas be
made exactly the same.
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2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail
after the first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word
yet on whether she's back out on the streets).
Some people are born to lose.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Paul S Person
2021-03-30 16:42:51 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:07:44 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:42:19 -0800, Paul S Person
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On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:18:05 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Lynn McGuire
"Half a dozen little 2021 predictions about life after
COVID-19"
https://www.cringely.com/2021/03/10/half-a-dozen-little-2021
-p red ictions-about-life-after-covid-19/
"Six hundred and seventy-five thousand Americans died of
the Spanish Flu in 1918, back when the total population of
the United States was 103 million. In the current pandemic,
American deaths are already above 540,000 (remember when a
projection of 160,000 deaths seemed crazy?) but our
population is now 331 million. While COVID-19 will
undoubtedly kill more Americans than did the Spanish flu,
the percentage of the population dying will be much lower
than the 0.65 percent death rate in 1918. But the numbers
are close enough that one might guess the long-term impact
of this pandemic could be very similar to that one."
There is a great picture of the stands of a Georgia Tech
football game in 1918.
You may or may not agree with his predictions. Sadly, I
think that he is correct about conferences.
There are many parallels between the current pandemic and
1918. And many other pandemics throughout history. As today,
there were lockdowns and mask mandates, As today, they were
controversial. As today, that controversy even erupted into
occasional violence, even murder. And as today, there were
those who proclaimed things would never go back to the way
they were and people would be wearing masks forever.
I've never seen a single photo of a flapper wearing a mask,
and the roaring 20s was just a few short years later.
If we continue to follow the historical pattern that nearly
all pandemics follow - and have have, pretty much exactly, so
far - by this time next year it will be a fading memory. Not
completely faded, but fading as quickly as the daily numbers
are now.
We'll see in about a month how "fading" the daily numbers are
in those brave States that are testing to see if it is over by
dropping their mask/social distancing rules.
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
And, of course, with the vaccines we can at least hope that we
will get this sucker under control. Eventually.
I still hope it works.
Anybody seen the video of the Texican lady (white, of course)
who claimed "police brutality" when they arrested her for
refusing to either wear a mask or leave a Bank of America
branch in Texas?
Read about it. Got no sympathy for her. Businesses can refuse
service for any reason not specifically prohibited by the ADA or
the Civil Rights Act, and being an asshole isn't a protected
class.
1. She's not Texican -- she's Oregonian. Which explains a few
things. And requires me to apologize to all Texicans, wherever
located.
Heh. Texax has a lot of immigrants who moved their becauset their
home states, often California, are such fucked up messes that
they're becoming completely unlivable. And demanding that Texas be
made exactly the same.
I don't think she moved there, although she may have.

No, I think she's an anti-mask tourist, just visiting to spread the
anti-mask message to the benighted masses.

As to your immigrants, look up the concept of "Californicator". This
is not a new phenomenon.

The question, though, is: is it those who move away or those who stay
/because they like living in California/ that are the more admirable?
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Paul S Person
2. She's done it again (she posted a bond to get out of jail
after the first time). She thinks she is an Educator. No word
yet on whether she's back out on the streets).
Some people are born to lose.
Oregonians, generally speaking.

Not all Oregonians, to be sure.

But the non-losers generally move out of the State when they leave the
nest and embark on Adulthood.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Quadibloc
2021-03-30 19:52:49 UTC
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On Mon, 29 Mar 2021 16:25:21 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
Some people are born to lose.
Oregonians, generally speaking.
Not all Oregonians, to be sure.
But the non-losers generally move out of the State when they leave the
nest and embark on Adulthood.
It's true that Microsoft is in Washington state instead, also in the Pacific
Northwest, though, so at least if there is a problem finding jobs in Oregon,
which I am told is a lovely place to live, with beautiful natural scenery, and
(unlike California) an abundant water supply, there is a not uncongenial
place to move to.

If one feels the need to escape to Canada, there is also British Columbia.

John Savard
Quadibloc
2021-03-30 19:38:20 UTC
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In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same if it
does.
You haven't heard of the variant strains?

It isn't going to work. It's sheer madness. It makes a deadlier third
wave almost inevitable.

John Savard
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-03-30 23:11:17 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
You haven't heard of the variant strains?
All the testing so far says that the major vaccines are nearly as
effective against those, as well. Certainly far more effective than
the minimum threshold for a vaccine to be considered successful.
Post by Quadibloc
It isn't going to work. It's sheer madness. It makes a deadlier
third wave almost inevitable.
National numbers in the US are currently moving up and down, with a
slight upward trend. Very slight, so far.

But some of the states that were hit hard early on are not seeing
any incrase at all. Californiat is pretty much flat, despite the
last two rounds of restrictions (going back to December) being
largely ignored in some of the most densely populated parts fo the
state.

And Texas, of course, lifted all restrictions four weeks ago - at
the peak of what might laughingly be called a third wave - and has
seen declining numbers since (with occasional - small - bumps).
That's about a week and a half past when the third wave should have
really gotten going.

You *are*, of course, stupid enough to believe whatever you're
spoon fed by the news media, which has a vested financial interest
in spreadking panic and hysterica as far and wide as possible. The
bias towards negative coverage on pandmic news is now documented in
peer reviewed studies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/world/covid-coverage-by-the-us-
national-media-is-an-outlier-a-study-finds.html

Hell, even the NYT has recogonized how biased the coverage is.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/briefing/boulder-shooting-
george-segal-astrazeneca.html

"When Covid cases were rising in the U.S., the news coverage
emphasized the increase. When cases were falling, the coverage
instead focused on those places where cases were rising. And when
vaccine research began showing positive results, the coverage
downplayed it"
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Lynn McGuire
2021-03-31 19:39:07 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
In a way, I hope it works: it might encourage the more
pandemically-conservative (so to speak) States to do the same
if it does.
You haven't heard of the variant strains?
All the testing so far says that the major vaccines are nearly as
effective against those, as well. Certainly far more effective than
the minimum threshold for a vaccine to be considered successful.
Post by Quadibloc
It isn't going to work. It's sheer madness. It makes a deadlier
third wave almost inevitable.
National numbers in the US are currently moving up and down, with a
slight upward trend. Very slight, so far.
But some of the states that were hit hard early on are not seeing
any incrase at all. Californiat is pretty much flat, despite the
last two rounds of restrictions (going back to December) being
largely ignored in some of the most densely populated parts fo the
state.
And Texas, of course, lifted all restrictions four weeks ago - at
the peak of what might laughingly be called a third wave - and has
seen declining numbers since (with occasional - small - bumps).
That's about a week and a half past when the third wave should have
really gotten going.
You *are*, of course, stupid enough to believe whatever you're
spoon fed by the news media, which has a vested financial interest
in spreadking panic and hysterica as far and wide as possible. The
bias towards negative coverage on pandmic news is now documented in
peer reviewed studies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/world/covid-coverage-by-the-us-
national-media-is-an-outlier-a-study-finds.html
Hell, even the NYT has recogonized how biased the coverage is.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/24/briefing/boulder-shooting-
george-segal-astrazeneca.html
"When Covid cases were rising in the U.S., the news coverage
emphasized the increase. When cases were falling, the coverage
instead focused on those places where cases were rising. And when
vaccine research began showing positive results, the coverage
downplayed it"
Active covid cases in Texas have dropped over 60% since January from
400K to 100K. See the graphs at:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/texas/

Lynn

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