The Conservative Case For Sauron

[Kevrob]

From the Federalist:

[quote]

As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time
for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.

That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative
principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the
Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the
electorate as Sauron the Great.

[/quote]

https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time
for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative
principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the
Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the
electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Why settle for a lesser evil?

Cthulhu 2024!

[Michael F. Stemper]

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

[Kevrob]

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time
for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative
principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the
Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the
electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The
Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

It is mentioned here:

https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Sauron

[Paul S Person]

On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:18:19 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

/The History of Middle Earth Index/ shows it occurring in Vol XI as
the Sindarin name of Sauron, replacing the Noldorin Gorthu .

So, the author being quoted is ... a Sinda.

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:18:19 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

/The History of Middle Earth Index/ shows it occurring in Vol XI as
the Sindarin name of Sauron, replacing the Noldorin Gorthu .
So, the author being quoted is ... a Sinda.

Lets not forget Kirill Yeskov's "The Last Ringbearer", which tells
of the Ring War from the Orc's POV. You're aware the LOTR is pure
Elvish propaganda, I hope?

"This, then, was the yeast on which Barad-dur rose six centuries ago,
that amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers,
philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in
Middle Earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely
adolescent technology against ancient magic. The shining tower of the
Barad-dur citadel rose over the plains of Mordor almost as high as
Orodruin like a monument to Man free Man who had politely but firmly
declined the guardianship of the Dwellers on High and started living by
his own reason."

pt

[D]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:18:19 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time for
real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative
principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the
Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the electorate
as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

/The History of Middle Earth Index/ shows it occurring in Vol XI as
the Sindarin name of Sauron, replacing the Noldorin Gorthu .
So, the author being quoted is ... a Sinda.

Lets not forget Kirill Yeskov's "The Last Ringbearer", which tells
of the Ring War from the Orc's POV. You're aware the LOTR is pure
Elvish propaganda, I hope?
"This, then, was the yeast on which Barad-dur rose six centuries ago,
that amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers,
philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in
Middle Earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely
adolescent technology against ancient magic. The shining tower of the
Barad-dur citadel rose over the plains of Mordor almost as high as
Orodruin like a monument to Man free Man who had politely but firmly
declined the guardianship of the Dwellers on High and started living by
his own reason."
pt

Brilliant! This is added to the reading list. Thank you very much.

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by D

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:18:19 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is
time for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative
the Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the
electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

/The History of Middle Earth Index/ shows it occurring in Vol XI as
the Sindarin name of Sauron, replacing the Noldorin Gorthu .
So, the author being quoted is ... a Sinda.

Lets not forget Kirill Yeskov's "The Last Ringbearer", which tells
of the Ring War from the Orc's POV. You're aware the LOTR is pure
Elvish propaganda, I hope?
"This, then, was the yeast on which Barad-dur rose six centuries ago,
that amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers,
philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in
Middle Earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely
adolescent technology against ancient magic. The shining tower of the
Barad-dur citadel rose over the plains of Mordor almost as high as
Orodruin like a monument to Man free Man who had politely but firmly
declined the guardianship of the Dwellers on High and started living by
his own reason."
pt

Brilliant! This is added to the reading list. Thank you very much.

Its an unauthorized fanwork, so has problems getting published. There
is a Russian edition in paper back. In English, there's pdf floating
around (note there are two editions), and the 2nd can be found on
archive.org.

pt

[D]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Paul S Person
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 08:18:19 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by Kevrob
[quote]
As for the line of the Kings, they shall never return, and it is time
for real conservatives, guided by Burkean realism, to accept it.
That’s why, this election season, I am following my conservative
principles and supporting a leader with a real vision for Gondor: the
Lord of Barad-dûr, the Lord of Angband, Gorthaur, known to the
electorate as Sauron the Great.
[/quote]
https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/12/the-conservative-case-for-sauron/

Thanks for posting that. But, "Gorthaur"? Is that name in _The Silmarillion_?
I don't recall encountering it before.

/The History of Middle Earth Index/ shows it occurring in Vol XI as
the Sindarin name of Sauron, replacing the Noldorin Gorthu .
So, the author being quoted is ... a Sinda.

Lets not forget Kirill Yeskov's "The Last Ringbearer", which tells
of the Ring War from the Orc's POV. You're aware the LOTR is pure
Elvish propaganda, I hope?
"This, then, was the yeast on which Barad-dur rose six centuries ago,
that amazing city of alchemists and poets, mechanics and astronomers,
philosophers and physicians, the heart of the only civilization in
Middle Earth to bet on rational knowledge and bravely pitch its barely
adolescent technology against ancient magic. The shining tower of the
Barad-dur citadel rose over the plains of Mordor almost as high as
Orodruin like a monument to Man free Man who had politely but firmly
declined the guardianship of the Dwellers on High and started living by
his own reason."
pt

Brilliant! This is added to the reading list. Thank you very much.

Its an unauthorized fanwork, so has problems getting published. There
is a Russian edition in paper back. In English, there's pdf floating
around (note there are two editions), and the 2nd can be found on
archive.org.
pt

Yep... found the pdf. Will give it a go, but so far I really like the
angle, especially given todays polarized world! =)