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[wfc] A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw
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James Nicoll
2020-10-09 13:31:24 UTC
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A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw

https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
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Kevrob
2020-10-09 14:34:48 UTC
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A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.

I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
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James Nicoll
2020-10-09 15:17:39 UTC
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A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
Yeah, Trudeau petit would have been toast in the last election
if only the NDP were not seen as unelectable and the other choices
after the Liberals were not the racist party, the shouty racist party
and le parti racist, against whom the Liberals looked like the least
bad choice. It says a lot about how terrible the other parties, NDP
aside, are that JT could still manage a draw despite habitually
stepping on his dick.

Even if we dodge a federal election, the OnTories have been making
moves that suggest they think things will only get worse for them
so an election now might be the least bad choice. I am not keen on
this as I usually work elections and staffing a polling station seems
like a really good way to catch C19. Working two elections would be
twice as bad.
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m***@sky.com
2020-10-10 04:49:15 UTC
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A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
Yeah, Trudeau petit would have been toast in the last election
if only the NDP were not seen as unelectable and the other choices
after the Liberals were not the racist party, the shouty racist party
and le parti racist, against whom the Liberals looked like the least
bad choice. It says a lot about how terrible the other parties, NDP
aside, are that JT could still manage a draw despite habitually
stepping on his dick.
Even if we dodge a federal election, the OnTories have been making
moves that suggest they think things will only get worse for them
so an election now might be the least bad choice. I am not keen on
this as I usually work elections and staffing a polling station seems
like a really good way to catch C19. Working two elections would be
twice as bad.
'
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A search on "Canada racism" produces a number of articles on what appear to be watered-down versions of the problems raised in America. What it doesn't find is a systemic declaration of racial superiority, or an attempt to maintain racial purity. Perhaps "racist" has been used so frequently that its colloquial meaning has changed. If somebody set up a Canadian party dedicated to the purity of the white race and the expulsion or neutralization of all those who would threaten that purity, would there be an adjective free to distinguish them from the current parties?

Perhaps, in "1984", Orwell should have spared some time to criticize not the banning or replacement of politically undesired words and terms, but their overuse into uselessness.
James Nicoll
2020-10-10 14:54:27 UTC
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A search on "Canada racism" produces a number of articles on what appear to be
watered-down versions of the problems raised in America. What it doesn't find
is a systemic declaration of racial superiority, or an attempt to maintain
racial purity. Perhaps "racist" has been used so frequently that its
colloquial meaning has changed. If somebody set up a Canadian party dedicated
to the purity of the white race and the expulsion or neutralization of all
those who would threaten that purity, would there be an adjective free to
distinguish them from the current parties?
Nope. Basically, the current sort is

Liberal Party: the steadfast lipservice Bay Street party: they say nice things
and yet things are not getting better on reserves under them, even though
the money needed is comparatively small. If you want a party that is going to
promise wonderful progressive policies and then refuse to deliver once they are in,
vote Liberal.

CPC: Oil party, quietly racist because they know they need the votes of at least
some visible minorities if they hope ever to form another government.

[The difference between the Bay Street party and Oil Party is it is not
that surprising if members of the first wear blackface, whereas it is not
that surprising if members of the second wear a Klan mask. The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic]

Bloc: Loudly racist, appealing to a very specific demographic in a specific
region. Does win seats, but cannot win enough seats to form a government except
under very unlikely circumstances (and would likely refuse to, since it would go
against their brand).

People's Party: Also loudly racist but in much less focused way than the
Bloc. No seats. Basically, it's Maxime Bernier throwing a hissy fit over
losing the CPC leadership, so I expect it to vanish as soon as he gets
bored or gets another hotbiker chick girlfriend or two to distract him.

(there was an all-candidates event at UWaterloo, which I think the CPC
avoided on the grounds letting the public meet their candidates does them
no favours. The PPC candidate showed up and offered, uh, colourfully non-
consensus views that failed to win wide acclaim)

NDP: The well-meaning social democratic party. Actually chose a POC as leader,
which would be unlikely for the Liberals and, uh, much less likely for the CPC,
Bloc, or PPC. Currently kneecapped because they are not racist enough for
the French, and Ontario for some reason is still pissed at Bob Rae while
forgiving the sins of the more recent Harris govt, which had an actual
body count.

Green: Has a black, Jewish head of party, who is the first Black Canadian and
first Jewish woman to be elected leader of a major federal party in Canada.
Managed to increase their share of seats by 50% in the 2019 election. Unfortunately,
this was from two to three and new leader Annamie Paul does not at present
have a seat. Still, ten more elections like the last one and they will have
a majority!

Traditionally various pretexts are used to keep the Greens out of the
election debates (neither the oil or Bay Street parties like their policies)
but I expect trying to keep Paul off the podium without appearing to be
some combination of racist, sexist, or whatever the ist is for religious
prejudice will be tricky.

Happily, the US is really really good at making us look better by comparison.
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Quadibloc
2020-10-10 15:57:06 UTC
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Green: Has a black, Jewish head of party, who is the first Black Canadian and
first Jewish woman to be elected leader of a major federal party in Canada.
Ah. So you weren't saying that _they_ were racist. I had forgotten Maxime Bernier's
People's Party even existed.

John Savard
William Hyde
2020-10-10 20:21:19 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
Green: Has a black, Jewish head of party, who is the first Black Canadian and
first Jewish woman to be elected leader of a major federal party in Canada.
Ah. So you weren't saying that _they_ were racist. I had forgotten Maxime Bernier's
People's Party even existed.
John Savard
He's actually running in a by-election in Toronto later this month, I read today.

Which, if true, looks utterly insane.

Or maybe he just likes elections.

William Hyde
Jack Bohn
2020-10-11 15:54:03 UTC
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The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
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James Nicoll
2020-10-11 15:58:25 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.

(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
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Quadibloc
2020-10-11 16:25:06 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
Ernst Zundel, if one wants to Google more.

Stockwell Day was not involved in Holocaust denial himself, so he wouldn't have put
someone like Zundel in a position of responsibility in the Conservative Party. He just
happened to live in the same town as Ernst Zundel's garage.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2020-10-11 17:01:01 UTC
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:25:06 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by James Nicoll
Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
Ernst Zundel, if one wants to Google more.
Stockwell Day was not involved in Holocaust denial himself, so he wouldn't have put
someone like Zundel in a position of responsibility in the Conservative Party. He just
happened to live in the same town as Ernst Zundel's garage.
I find it a bit distressing that there are people who will select a
car mechanic on the basis of his politics rather than his ability to
repair cars. However I suspect that that condition is in the long run
self-correcting--one just hopes that Darwin doesn't take too many
bystanders.
Quadibloc
2020-10-11 17:40:14 UTC
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I find it a bit distressing that there are people who will select a
car mechanic on the basis of his politics rather than his ability to
repair cars. However I suspect that that condition is in the long run
self-correcting--one just hopes that Darwin doesn't take too many
bystanders.
Although that is in general a good principle, if you're the leader of a national
political party, and the 'politics' in question is Holocaust denial, looking for
another competent autombile mechanic, so as to steer clear of _any_
association with such a one, however innocent, does not seem to me to be
particularly unreasonable.

Politicians, after all, are vulnerable to all sorts of personal attacks, including
unjustified and outrageous ones.

John Savard
Robert Carnegie
2020-10-11 18:36:21 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
I find it a bit distressing that there are people who will select a
car mechanic on the basis of his politics rather than his ability to
repair cars. However I suspect that that condition is in the long run
self-correcting--one just hopes that Darwin doesn't take too many
bystanders.
Although that is in general a good principle, if you're the leader of a national
political party, and the 'politics' in question is Holocaust denial, looking for
another competent autombile mechanic, so as to steer clear of _any_
association with such a one, however innocent, does not seem to me to be
particularly unreasonable.
Politicians, after all, are vulnerable to all sorts of personal attacks, including
unjustified and outrageous ones.
Not to mention interference with the brakes.
J. Clarke
2020-10-11 23:15:19 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
I find it a bit distressing that there are people who will select a
car mechanic on the basis of his politics rather than his ability to
repair cars. However I suspect that that condition is in the long run
self-correcting--one just hopes that Darwin doesn't take too many
bystanders.
Although that is in general a good principle, if you're the leader of a national
political party, and the 'politics' in question is Holocaust denial, looking for
another competent autombile mechanic, so as to steer clear of _any_
association with such a one, however innocent, does not seem to me to be
particularly unreasonable.
I do not recall ever asking a mechanic about his politics, and I do
not recall any presenting spontaneously.
Post by Quadibloc
Politicians, after all, are vulnerable to all sorts of personal attacks, including
unjustified and outrageous ones.
Personally I think politicians pay far too much attention to the
lunatic-fringe. The fringe makes a lot of noise these days but how
many votes do they actually represent?
Magewolf
2020-10-12 18:04:39 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:40:14 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
I find it a bit distressing that there are people who will select a
car mechanic on the basis of his politics rather than his ability to
repair cars. However I suspect that that condition is in the long run
self-correcting--one just hopes that Darwin doesn't take too many
bystanders.
Although that is in general a good principle, if you're the leader of a national
political party, and the 'politics' in question is Holocaust denial, looking for
another competent autombile mechanic, so as to steer clear of _any_
association with such a one, however innocent, does not seem to me to be
particularly unreasonable.
I do not recall ever asking a mechanic about his politics, and I do
not recall any presenting spontaneously.
Post by Quadibloc
Politicians, after all, are vulnerable to all sorts of personal attacks, including
unjustified and outrageous ones.
Personally I think politicians pay far too much attention to the
lunatic-fringe. The fringe makes a lot of noise these days but how
many votes do they actually represent?
I like to call it a hair on a dog's tail wagging the dog.

William Hyde
2020-10-11 19:35:43 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:25:06 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by James Nicoll
Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
Ernst Zundel, if one wants to Google more.
Stockwell Day was not involved in Holocaust denial himself, so he wouldn't have put
someone like Zundel in a position of responsibility in the Conservative Party. He just
happened to live in the same town as Ernst Zundel's garage.
I find it a bit distressing that there are people who will select a
car mechanic on the basis of his politics rather than his ability to
repair cars. However I suspect that that condition is in the long run
self-correcting--one just hopes that Darwin doesn't take too many
bystanders.
Day is on record as not holding with all that evolution stuff. In my circle he is known as "Dances with Dinosaurs".

Perhaps because I was in the US during his time of prominence, I have not heard of this nazi mechanic story. I could see Day declining to employ someone on religious grounds (he has never campaigned on a Sunday), but my guess is he'd be OK with a competent socialist mechanic. But not a national socialist one.

William Hyde
William Hyde
2020-10-11 19:28:53 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
Ernst Zundel, if one wants to Google more.
Stockwell Day was not involved in Holocaust denial himself, so he wouldn't have put
someone like Zundel in a position of responsibility in the Conservative Party. He just
happened to live in the same town as Ernst Zundel's garage.
I think there's some confusion here.

Ernst Zundel was an active publisher and writer of holocaust-denying literature, and in fact made a great deal of money from this. So much that one almost questions his sincerity. He was by profession a printer, not an auto mechanic, and he lived in Toronto (his house there was firebombed in 1995), while Day lived in the West.

He also was a big believer in UFOs, though he thought they were nazi aircraft based in Antarctica. And wrote about that, too.

If Day had a nazi mechanic it was probably someone else. Perhaps Ernst had a brother?

William Hyde
James Nicoll
2020-10-11 19:43:38 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by James Nicoll
Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
Ernst Zundel, if one wants to Google more.
Stockwell Day was not involved in Holocaust denial himself, so he wouldn't have put
someone like Zundel in a position of responsibility in the Conservative
Party. He just
Post by Quadibloc
happened to live in the same town as Ernst Zundel's garage.
I think there's some confusion here.
Ernst Zundel was an active publisher and writer of holocaust-denying
literature, and in fact made a great deal of money from this. So much that one
almost questions his sincerity. He was by profession a printer, not an auto
mechanic, and he lived in Toronto (his house there was firebombed in 1995),
while Day lived in the West.
He also was a big believer in UFOs, though he thought they were nazi aircraft
based in Antarctica. And wrote about that, too.
If Day had a nazi mechanic it was probably someone else. Perhaps Ernst had a brother?
Augh. James Keegstra, not Zundell. Zundell just backed Keegstra's run for
head of the Alberta SoCreds.
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Jack Bohn
2020-10-11 20:01:11 UTC
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I think there's some confusion here.
Ernst Zundel was an active publisher and writer of holocaust-denying literature, and in fact made a great deal of money from this. So much that one almost questions his sincerity. He was by profession a printer, not an auto mechanic, and he lived in Toronto (his house there was firebombed in 1995), while Day lived in the West.
He also was a big believer in UFOs, though he thought they were nazi aircraft based in Antarctica. And wrote about that, too.
One could, perhaps, determine his sincerity by whether he did not express a positive opinion about nazi aircraft based in Antarctica in those works. Even if Nazis with an interest in ufoes are a separate class from ufo enthusiasts not opposed to Nazism, either is smaller than a less specific audience.
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Robert Woodward
2020-10-12 05:32:25 UTC
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In article <921116d1-131f-45d9-8933-***@googlegroups.com>,
William Hyde <***@gmail.com> wrote:

<SNIP>

(re: a political diversion which mentioned Ernst Zundel, Holocaust
denialist)
Post by William Hyde
He also was a big believer in UFOs, though he thought they were nazi aircraft
based in Antarctica. And wrote about that, too.
Heinlein had Antarctica as a Nazi redoubt in _Spaceship Galileo_. IIRC,
that is the first time I saw this idea in print (I have seen others).
Was this something that was already circulating in 1947? I know that
there was pre-WWII German exploration in Antarctica.
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Quadibloc
2020-10-12 10:13:19 UTC
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Heinlein had Antarctica as a Nazi redoubt in _Spaceship Galileo_. IIRC,
that is the first time I saw this idea in print (I have seen others).
Was this something that was already circulating in 1947? I know that
there was pre-WWII German exploration in Antarctica.
There was a New York Times article about a Nazi base in Antarctica
in 1941, I noticed in my search results.

But this article
https://www.nature.com/news/2007/070326/full/070326-14.html
summarizes most of the story.

John Savard
Quadibloc
2020-10-12 10:16:26 UTC
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There was a New York Times article about a Nazi base in Antarctica
in 1941, I noticed in my search results.
It was dated May 6, 1941. Admiral Byrd was attributed as disclosing that
U.S. forces had blown up a German base found in Antarctica. This is odd,
given that America was still a neutral in World War II.

John Savard
Robert Carnegie
2020-10-12 10:42:04 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
There was a New York Times article about a Nazi base in Antarctica
in 1941, I noticed in my search results.
It was dated May 6, 1941. Admiral Byrd was attributed as disclosing that
U.S. forces had blown up a German base found in Antarctica. This is odd,
given that America was still a neutral in World War II.
Maybe he meant Alaska where they would be... persona non grata.

Incidentally, that may be just the series character's name
but presumably the author did choose that.

Ben Aaronovitch writes about a magic policeman
in London called Peter Grant, but you don't catch
his titles going "Grant Aid", "Grant In Kind" etc.
(I can't think of others just now.)
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-10-12 13:55:47 UTC
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Post by Robert Woodward
Heinlein had Antarctica as a Nazi redoubt in _Spaceship Galileo_. IIRC,
that is the first time I saw this idea in print (I have seen others).
Was this something that was already circulating in 1947? I know that
there was pre-WWII German exploration in Antarctica.
There was a New York Times article about a Nazi base in Antarctica
in 1941, I noticed in my search results.
But this article
https://www.nature.com/news/2007/070326/full/070326-14.html
summarizes most of the story.
"...why fringe fantasies get attracted to the edges of the
earth..."

Because most of the rest of it has been more thoroughly explored.
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Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-10-12 13:54:12 UTC
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<SNIP>
(re: a political diversion which mentioned Ernst Zundel, Holocaust
denialist)
Post by William Hyde
He also was a big believer in UFOs, though he thought they were nazi aircraft
based in Antarctica. And wrote about that, too.
Heinlein had Antarctica as a Nazi redoubt in _Spaceship Galileo_. IIRC,
that is the first time I saw this idea in print (I have seen others).
Was this something that was already circulating in 1947? I know that
there was pre-WWII German exploration in Antarctica.
Dunno.

But for some time after the war ended (until Albert Speer
published his book, IIRC), it was a big mystery what had become
of Hitler. Maybe he escaped to Nazi-sympathetic Argentina??
I can remember a collection of New Yorker cartoons, one of which
depicted an American couple vacationing in some tropical clime,
being served in a cafe by a grey-haired waiter with a mustache
and a forelock. As he walks away, the woman says to her husband,
"But by now, he *would* be grey."
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m***@sky.com
2020-10-11 16:37:33 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Canadian political vernacular is generally disappointing: Zundell was Stockwell
"Doris" Day's car mechanic.
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
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If Canadian usage is equivalent to British, let us hope that it is boring in real life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Urquhart started off as Chief Whip (making sure that MPs vote the way the party wants them too). Rumour has it that methods of persuasion have included illegal favours, threats of physical violence, and blackmail.
Kevrob
2020-10-12 00:35:28 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Zundell was Stockwell "Doris" Day's car mechanic.
I liked Shainblum & Morisette's "Sgt. Preston of the Loonies."

Whatever sympathy I might have had for Canadian Reformers was
diminished by Day's religious fixations. They are one of the
reasons I can't back Republicans in elections, down here.
--
Kevin R
(I guess the closest to a fixer is a whip and I can tell you whatever you
think a whip does, the reality is more boring)
We had plumbers, in the 70s.
James Nicoll
2020-10-12 01:19:58 UTC
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The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Zundell was Stockwell "Doris" Day's car mechanic.
I liked Shainblum & Morisette's "Sgt. Preston of the Loonies."
Whatever sympathy I might have had for Canadian Reformers was
diminished by Day's religious fixations. They are one of the
reasons I can't back Republicans in elections, down here.
Braino: it was Keegstra who was Day's mechanic, not Zundell.
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Kevrob
2020-10-12 01:41:20 UTC
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The leader of
a previously iteration of the Oil party used to have a notorious holocaust
denier as his mechanic
Is the term "mechanic" some poli-sci-fi euphemism for "fixer"? I'm prepared
for the disappointing news that auto repair is merely the most uniquely
searchable of their associations we can determine guilt by.
Zundell was Stockwell "Doris" Day's car mechanic.
I liked Shainblum & Morisette's "Sgt. Preston of the Loonies."
Whatever sympathy I might have had for Canadian Reformers was
diminished by Day's religious fixations. They are one of the
reasons I can't back Republicans in elections, down here.
Braino: it was Keegstra who was Day's mechanic, not Zundell.
--
I've seen "election mechanic" used as slang in the States
for a political operative who works on the nuts and bolts
of campaigning. When I googoled on the term, it also brought
up the generation of the results of politics in games.

[quote]

Incentivizing the players though governmental structures:
Election mechanic in a game.

[/quote]

https://www.projecthorseshoe.com/reports/ph13/ph13r6.htm

I have no idea how common or idiosyncratic such usage is.
I don't play games, as a rule.
--
Kevin R
Quadibloc
2020-10-10 06:44:33 UTC
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Yeah, Trudeau petit would have been toast in the last election
if only the NDP were not seen as unelectable and the other choices
after the Liberals were not the racist party, the shouty racist party
and le parti racist, against whom the Liberals looked like the least
bad choice. It says a lot about how terrible the other parties, NDP
aside, are that JT could still manage a draw despite habitually
stepping on his dick.
I know that the Bloc Quebecois has occasionally supported things
that look racist to the rest of Canada.

The Conservatives are, well... Conservative.

But the Greens are racist too? Although, come to think of it, I do
vaguely remember at least one news story that sort of did hint at
a lapse on their part.

Although I would be hesitant to label the Conservative Party of
Canada as racist at this time, it is dead to me at the moment.

It has two very serious strikes against it.

One is where the Right Honorable Charles Joseph Clark took a
distinguished career in public life, and threw it all away - by stating
that it was just how the game of politics was played in response to
the scandal where a call center was hired to give some Canadians
incorrect information about the location of polling stations.

Trying to minimize a scandal affecting one's own party may be
a loyal act - but since the right to vote and to have one's vote
counted is one of the sacred foundations of Canadian liberty, making
excuses for traitors to Canadian freedom and democracy, and trying
to say that denying Canadians their sacred and inviolable right to
vote is no big deal... is a very big deal.

And the other is where Stephen Harper restricted the ability of
certain scientists employed by the Canadian government to communicate
with the public, in order to suppress scientific findings related to
climate change.

Science is how we perceive reality, as fundamentally as our senses.

Science denialism is perverse and insane. I live in Alberta, and I hope that
the Federal Government can find room for reasonable policies that are
consistent with its economic well-being. But attempting to defy science
or exalt another authority above science is not permissible.

Unlike the Republican Party in the United States, I still have some hope
that the Conservative Party in Canada may someday redeem itself, and
once again become a voice for responsible and genuine conservatism
within the Canadian political system.

John Savard
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-10-09 15:35:23 UTC
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https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
Could be.

The correct plural would be _Personae Non Gratae,_ if anybody
cares.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
James Nicoll
2020-10-09 15:56:53 UTC
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https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
Could be.
The correct plural would be _Personae Non Gratae,_ if anybody
cares.
Except the series is named after its lead, John Persons.
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Kevrob
2020-10-09 16:24:25 UTC
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A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
Could be.
The correct plural would be _Personae Non Gratae,_ if anybody
cares.
Except the series is named after its lead, John Persons.
[mpfc]

Persons called eldritch horrors, they go to the house!

[/mpfc]
--
Kevin R
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-10-09 16:40:13 UTC
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A Song for Quiet (Persons Non Grata, book 2) by Cassandra Khaw
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
Could be.
The correct plural would be _Personae Non Gratae,_ if anybody
cares.
Except the series is named after its lead, John Persons.
[mpfc]
Persons called eldritch horrors, they go to the house!
[/mpfc]
Oh, splendid.

I will try to put that into proper Latin, *IF* anybody cares.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Sjouke Burry
2020-10-09 17:17:30 UTC
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https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/sing-it-out-loud
JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
Could be.
The correct plural would be _Personae Non Gratae,_ if anybody
cares.
Except the series is named after its lead, John Persons.
[mpfc]
Persons called eldritch horrors, they go to the house!
[/mpfc]
Oh, splendid.
I will try to put that into proper Latin, *IF* anybody cares.
no :)
Dorothy J Heydt
2020-10-09 16:13:58 UTC
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JDN shouldn't worry about upcoming elections.
I read the NDP will back Brownface Boy so he
doesn't have to call one.
I guess being a something trying to pass for human
explains the awful "Latin" of the series name.
Could be.
The correct plural would be _Personae Non Gratae,_ if anybody
cares.
Except the series is named after its lead, John Persons.
Okay, then it's a bilingual pun.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Quadibloc
2020-10-10 05:19:14 UTC
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Maybe Lovecraft was racist.

But it isn't racist in itself to suppose that, say, the Mi-Go might make _use_
of racism, say to hire black people to work in their mines... because they
would work more cheaply, and because they would not be believed if they
let anything they should not have seen slip.

Thus, things like the "nautical Negro" in one novel _can_ be just an
acknowledgement of reality instead of racism.

Of course, what Lovecraft never did - which was hardly surprising
given the time he lived in - was write a story of eldritch horrors from a
minority point of view, to highlight how bigotry made us more vulnerable.
Such stories are being written now.

John Savard
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