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xkcd: Cursive Letters
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Lynn McGuire
2024-03-28 20:25:56 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/

Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?

My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.

Explained at:
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters

Lynn
Lynn McGuire
2024-03-28 20:27:18 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
   https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
   https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
And I just thought of another person who writes in cursive. James
Patterson writes all of his books in cursive in a notebook for each
book. He has at least 30 notebooks at any give moment.

Lynn
Cryptoengineer
2024-03-29 00:00:37 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
    https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
And I just thought of another person who writes in cursive.  James
Patterson writes all of his books in cursive in a notebook for each
book.  He has at least 30 notebooks at any give moment.
So does Neal Stephenson.

pt
Joe Pfeiffer
2024-03-29 02:15:01 UTC
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My third grade teacher guessed that, based on my handwriting, I might
have a small motor coordination disability. They tried to teach me
cursive, but the fact they couldn't read my block printing led them to
conclude fairly quickly that cursive wasn't likely to be a success. This
was an accurate conclusion.

Anything I write that I want someone (even me) to be able to read later
is typed. I typed my letters to my high school girlfriend.
Scott Dorsey
2024-03-29 15:49:58 UTC
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My third grade teacher guessed that, based on my handwriting, I might
have a small motor coordination disability. They tried to teach me
cursive, but the fact they couldn't read my block printing led them to
conclude fairly quickly that cursive wasn't likely to be a success. This
was an accurate conclusion.
Mine just beat me over the forehead with a ruler for two years and screamed
at me about making my Os round until they eventually gave up on me and put
me into a typing class.
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D
2024-03-29 09:54:35 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
    https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes in
cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I love
her for it anyway.
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
And I just thought of another person who writes in cursive.  James
Patterson writes all of his books in cursive in a notebook for each book. 
He has at least 30 notebooks at any give moment.
So does Neal Stephenson.
pt
Neal Stephenson writes his book by hand? Given the enormous bricks I find
that very hard to imagine. It must be such a slow process! On the other
hand, I'm of the generation who is slowly starting to forget how to use a
pen and paper due to way too many years in the IT-indsutry.
Mad Hamish
2024-04-06 12:48:41 UTC
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On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 20:00:37 -0400, Cryptoengineer
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
    https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
    https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
And I just thought of another person who writes in cursive.  James
Patterson writes all of his books in cursive in a notebook for each
book.  He has at least 30 notebooks at any give moment.
So does Neal Stephenson.
I think Neil Gaimon does as well
William Hyde
2024-03-28 20:50:21 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
   https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
I write in cursive. My writing has not become illegible with advancing age.

It was always illegible.


William Hyde
Lynn McGuire
2024-03-28 21:40:20 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
    https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
I write in cursive.  My writing has not become illegible with advancing
age.
It was always illegible.
William Hyde
My grandfather taught engineering drafting at TAMU for over 30 years.
His replacement lectured me several times on my less than perfect
lettering on drawings, especially stating to me, "Mr. McGuire, your
grandfather freehanded all these drawings with perfection". I never
said a word back but I wanted to.

Lynn
Cryptoengineer
2024-03-29 00:01:06 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
    https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive.  It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
I write in cursive.  My writing has not become illegible with advancing
age.
It was always illegible.
William Hyde
Your are my people!

pt
Your Name
2024-03-29 00:23:13 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
I have three handwriting styles:

Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.

Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.

And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Pluted Pup
2024-04-23 20:20:40 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".

I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.

Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.

It's all too ambiguous.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-04-23 20:36:13 UTC
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Post by Lynn McGuire
xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
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Your Name
2024-04-23 22:18:22 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
The technical term for non-cursive writing with each letter separate is
"cuneive", but almost nobody uses or knows that.

There's also "architectural lettering" (used on blueprints, etc.),
which is non-cursive handwriting. Basically a sub-set of block letters
which is usually all uppercase letters, but can also include lowercase
letters or use smaller uppercase letter to replace the lowercase ones.
D
2024-04-24 09:32:28 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks. Obviously!
;)
Scott Dorsey
2024-04-24 15:29:03 UTC
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No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks. Obviously!
It's all the fault of that Gutenberg guy and his crazy movable type.
--scott
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D
2024-04-24 19:01:30 UTC
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No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks. Obviously!
It's all the fault of that Gutenberg guy and his crazy movable type.
--scott
Very true!
BCFD 36
2024-04-24 18:39:04 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
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Paul S Person
2024-04-25 15:46:56 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
I was going to suggest "block printing", but it turns out that that
has a completely different meaning to what is wanted here.

Although I suppose those blocks, combined with mommy's black ink,
could be used for "block printing" ...
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Pluted Pup
2024-04-30 06:50:32 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
I was going to suggest "block printing", but it turns out that that
has a completely different meaning to what is wanted here.
Although I suppose those blocks, combined with mommy's black ink,
could be used for "block printing" ...
Looks like I have to answer the question "written or printed?"
as:

"Written down on paper but not cursive".
Your Name
2024-04-30 07:12:37 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
I was going to suggest "block printing", but it turns out that that
has a completely different meaning to what is wanted here.
Although I suppose those blocks, combined with mommy's black ink,
could be used for "block printing" ...
Looks like I have to answer the question "written or printed?"
"Written down on paper but not cursive".
"Cursive" and "non-cursive" ... or maybe "cursive" and "sans cursive". ;-)
D
2024-04-30 09:16:43 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still
writes in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and
compactness but I love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
I was going to suggest "block printing", but it turns out that that
has a completely different meaning to what is wanted here.
Although I suppose those blocks, combined with mommy's black ink,
could be used for "block printing" ...
Looks like I have to answer the question "written or printed?"
"Written down on paper but not cursive".
"Cursive" and "non-cursive" ... or maybe "cursive" and "sans cursive". ;-)
Always re-cursive!
Your Name
2024-04-30 22:02:08 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
I was going to suggest "block printing", but it turns out that that
has a completely different meaning to what is wanted here.
Although I suppose those blocks, combined with mommy's black ink,
could be used for "block printing" ...
Looks like I have to answer the question "written or printed?"
"Written down on paper but not cursive".
"Cursive" and "non-cursive" ... or maybe "cursive" and "sans cursive". ;-)
Always re-cursive!
That's when you have to keep going over your cursive writing more than
once because the pen is running out of ink. ;-)
Pluted Pup
2024-05-01 18:53:12 UTC
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xkcd: Cursive Letters
https://xkcd.com/2912/
Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
My 82 year old mother is the only person that I know that still writes
in cursive. It is almost illegible due to slant and compactness but I
love her for it anyway.
https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2912:_Cursive_Letters
Lynn
Cursive writing used for things like greetings cards and my signature.
It's pretty easy to read.
Non-cursive (aka printing or block letters) used for important
documents, such as legal or banking forms, school / university exams,
etc., that needs to be easily readable by anyone.
And the third one is a semi-mixture of the two, which I use when
writing hurried notes for myself.
Block letters, so that's what it's called. Using the
term "printed" is too confusing nowadays,
as in the question "is it handwritten or printed?".
I use block letters because I want to be able to
read back what I wrote. I don't smear my characters
writing down a phone number, so I wouldn't
also mess up my readability by using cursive for words.
Then again the term "block letters" imply someone
who writes in all capitals.
It's all too ambiguous.
No, block letters are letter constructed from building blocks.
Obviously! ;)
Wrong, banana breath! Block letters are the letters found on the sides
of the cubical wood blocks we played with as children.
I was going to suggest "block printing", but it turns out that that
has a completely different meaning to what is wanted here.
Although I suppose those blocks, combined with mommy's black ink,
could be used for "block printing" ...
Looks like I have to answer the question "written or printed?"
"Written down on paper but not cursive".
"Cursive" and "non-cursive" ... or maybe "cursive" and "sans cursive". ;-)
Too ambiguous! The cursive may have been printed by
a computer!
The Horny Goat
2024-05-04 01:32:48 UTC
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Too ambiguous! The cursive may have been printed by
a computer!
Too true - in my mis-spent youth I was a big font collector - 2000+ -
quite a few of them are indeed cursive. Some of my favorites were
ttf's design to mimic the handwriting of certain famous people.

Mark Jackson
2024-03-30 20:18:14 UTC
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Is there anything that Randall cannot graph ?
Apparently not. Have you seen the self-describing t-shirt he made some
years ago, back when he sold shirts? I'm wearing mine as I type.

https://st-eutychus.com/2011/shirt-of-the-day-self-descriptive-shirt-from-xkcd/

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Everything that needs to be said has already been said.
But, since no one was listening, everything must be said again.
- André Gide
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