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Highlights and Lowlights - August 2024
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Tony Nance
2024-09-04 22:35:46 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - August 2024

Books are rated using a very primitive rating system:
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-” are not good, and more “-” are worse

I’m happy to answer questions about anything here.

Highlights - The Sagara and the Andrews. I think these folks simply
write stuff that I like.

Lowlights - Kinship with the Stars - Poul Anderson (collection)

Here’s a quick summary of what’s more in-depth below:
( ++ ) The Man in the Maze - Silverberg
( ++ - - ) Kinship with the Stars - Anderson (collection)
( +++ ) Sweep of the Blade - Andrews [Innkeeper Chronicles #4]
( ++ 1/2 ) Majestrum - Hughes [Henghis Hapthorn]
( ++ 1/2 - ) Winter’s Gifts - Aaronovitch [Rivers of London novella]
( +++ ) Cast in Oblivion - Sagara [Elantra #14]
( ++ 1/2 ) A Fire in the Sun - Effinger [Marid Audran #2]


Now Reading:
Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg

===========================================
August 2024

( ++ ) The Man in the Maze - Silverberg
Good - certainly better than I expected. Dick Muller had a legendary
career as an interstellar explorer, but when he became the first human
to interact with an alien species, the aliens alter him in such a way
that he became emotionally repulsive to any and all humans within 10
feet of his presence ... and the closer they come the worse it gets for
them. When he successfully finds his way to the center sector of the
maze, he plans to live there alone for the rest of his life. But when an
alien threat to humanity’s very existence is found, the powers that be
decide that only Muller can prevent humanity being wiped out. But he’ll
need to be convinced to help.

( ++ - - ) Kinship with the Stars - Anderson (collection)
Here’s the isfdb listing for this collection:
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?19574
Published in 1991, this is a truly mixed bag of stories that — with one
exception — were published between 1951-1962, chosen because Poul felt
these stories were slipping off the radar. (The exception is Uncleftish
Beholding, published in 1989.) Well, to this humble reader, there were
good reasons many of these were slipping off the radar, and rarely
anthologized elsewhere. All of the stories come with interesting short
intros from Poul. The two Wing Alak stories (but not the third??? There
were only three written! C’mon Poul) were interesting in that they
feature a galactic patrol that addresses crises on numerous different
planets and functions under a Prime Directive ... but which were written
in 1953 and 1956, many years before Star Trek: TOS hit the scene.

( +++ ) Sweep of the Blade - Andrews [Innkeeper Chronicles #4]
Fun! This one is 100% focused on Dina’s sister Maud and her daughter
Helen, and it takes place on vampire Arland’s home world. I was a little
bummed to have no Dina, no Inns, and no Earth, but this is a very
enjoyable entry in the series. Arland has proposed marriage to Maud, and
she has deferred, pending a visit to his home world. Maud has to
(re-)navigate vampire politics and aggression while making sure she &
Helen stay safe. Arland’s family is very unhappy with Maud’s deferral
and they test the heck out of her, in ways only these vampires can. In
parallel, Maud uncovers a serious threat to Arland’s entire home world,
and things race ahead from there.

( ++ 1/2 ) Majestrum - Hughes [Henghis Hapthorn]
Henghis Hapthorn is Old Earth’s foremost “discriminator” (i.e.
investigator), using a sharp intellect, astute powers of observation,
and the best technology of the age to aid his case-solving. When the
harrowing (but otherwise successful) outcome of a previous case
transforms his almost-AI aide into a living creature, and also
transforms his intuitional self into a separate being inside his head,
Henghis realizes that the rational universe is giving way to an emerging
magical one - where his intuitional alter-ego will shine, but where he,
the rational one, will fall into the background. The two cases he finds
himself on (one from the Archon himself) are part and parcel of this
universe transition, and Henghis gets pulled into it quite deeply.
Hughes’ writing in the Archonate universe reminds me greatly of Vance’s
Gaean Reach. Very enjoyable.

( ++ 1/2 - ) Winter’s Gifts - Aaronovitch [Rivers of London novella]
This is very good and fits well with the rest of the series. This one
takes place entirely in Wisconsin, with protagonist American FBI agent
Kimberly Reynolds. Some highly unusual Wisconsin weather, coupled with a
phone call from a former FBI agent, lead Kimberly to Wisconsin to see
what’s up. The more threads she pulls on, the more things unravel, until
she starts to make the right connections and conclusions. (The minus is
because Aaronovitch lays on the “American” pretty thick in places, and
too often it’s simply off; it also runs in jarring contrast to the
numerous British-isms throughout the book.)

( +++ ) Cast in Oblivion - Sagara [Elantra #14]
Very good, as is typical in this series. Some very important things get
resolved, but which also open doors to some very interesting new issues.
The first half is taken up with The Consort coming to dinner at Kaylin’s
home, and the second half is taken up with the results of the many
conversations and plans that happen during that evening.

( ++ 1/2 ) A Fire in the Sun - Effinger [Marid Audran #2]
It had been so so long since I read the first one that it took me a
while to get into this one. It’s very good. It picks up very shortly
after the first one leaves off, with Marid embedded with the police,
alienated from his friends, and still using moddies, daddies, and drugs.
The lead cop assigns Marid to partner with a good cop (both a good
person, and good at his job), they slowly become friendly, and shortly
after that the book really takes off. In parallel, Marid is on quite a
personal journey, generally becoming a better and better person.

Now Reading:
Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time (ed. by Malzberg)

Tony
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-09-06 02:35:29 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - August 2024
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-” are not good, and more “-” are worse
I’m happy to answer questions about anything here.
Highlights - The Sagara and the Andrews. I think these folks simply
write stuff that I like.
Lowlights - Kinship with the Stars - Poul Anderson (collection)
( ++ ) The Man in the Maze - Silverberg
( ++ - - ) Kinship with the Stars - Anderson (collection)
( +++ ) Sweep of the Blade - Andrews [Innkeeper Chronicles #4]
( ++ 1/2 ) Majestrum - Hughes [Henghis Hapthorn]
( ++ 1/2 - ) Winter’s Gifts - Aaronovitch [Rivers of London novella]
( +++ ) Cast in Oblivion - Sagara [Elantra #14]
( ++ 1/2 ) A Fire in the Sun - Effinger [Marid Audran #2]
Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg
===========================================
August 2024
( +++ ) Sweep of the Blade - Andrews [Innkeeper Chronicles #4]
Fun! This one is 100% focused on Dina’s sister Maud and her daughter
Helen, and it takes place on vampire Arland’s home world. I was a little
bummed to have no Dina, no Inns, and no Earth, but this is a very
enjoyable entry in the series. Arland has proposed marriage to Maud, and
she has deferred, pending a visit to his home world. Maud has to
(re-)navigate vampire politics and aggression while making sure she &
Helen stay safe. Arland’s family is very unhappy with Maud’s deferral
and they test the heck out of her, in ways only these vampires can. In
parallel, Maud uncovers a serious threat to Arland’s entire home world,
and things race ahead from there.
This is the only one of yours I've read, and it is actually my favorite
Innkeeper book. I wouldn't mind another one, tying Maud's story in with
Diana's, perhaps in finally finding their parents. I guess Andrews will
be going in another direction for a while though (and good on them for
landing that deal!)
Post by Tony Nance
( ++ 1/2 ) Majestrum - Hughes [Henghis Hapthorn]
Henghis Hapthorn is Old Earth’s foremost “discriminator” (i.e.
investigator), using a sharp intellect, astute powers of observation,
and the best technology of the age to aid his case-solving. When the
harrowing (but otherwise successful) outcome of a previous case
transforms his almost-AI aide into a living creature, and also
transforms his intuitional self into a separate being inside his head,
Henghis realizes that the rational universe is giving way to an emerging
magical one - where his intuitional alter-ego will shine, but where he,
the rational one, will fall into the background. The two cases he finds
himself on (one from the Archon himself) are part and parcel of this
universe transition, and Henghis gets pulled into it quite deeply.
Hughes’ writing in the Archonate universe reminds me greatly of Vance’s
Gaean Reach. Very enjoyable.
Interesting that you should say that, because your description brought to
mind Vance's short "The Men Return".
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ ) Cast in Oblivion - Sagara [Elantra #14]
Very good, as is typical in this series. Some very important things get
resolved, but which also open doors to some very interesting new issues.
The first half is taken up with The Consort coming to dinner at Kaylin’s
home, and the second half is taken up with the results of the many
conversations and plans that happen during that evening.
I need to get back to this series. I really enjoyed the ones I read,
but somehow I associated it with my emergency Nook purchase and never
got back to it when I got a Kindle back.
--
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Tony Nance
2024-09-06 21:25:13 UTC
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Highlights and Lowlights - August 2024
“+” are good, and more “+” are better
“-” are not good, and more “-” are worse
I’m happy to answer questions about anything here.
Highlights - The Sagara and the Andrews. I think these folks simply
write stuff that I like.
Lowlights - Kinship with the Stars - Poul Anderson (collection)
( ++ ) The Man in the Maze - Silverberg
( ++ - - ) Kinship with the Stars - Anderson (collection)
( +++ ) Sweep of the Blade - Andrews [Innkeeper Chronicles #4]
( ++ 1/2 ) Majestrum - Hughes [Henghis Hapthorn]
( ++ 1/2 - ) Winter’s Gifts - Aaronovitch [Rivers of London novella]
( +++ ) Cast in Oblivion - Sagara [Elantra #14]
( ++ 1/2 ) A Fire in the Sun - Effinger [Marid Audran #2]
Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
Collection - The Best Time Travel Stories Of All Time ed. by Malzberg
===========================================
August 2024
( +++ ) Sweep of the Blade - Andrews [Innkeeper Chronicles #4]
Fun! This one is 100% focused on Dina’s sister Maud and her daughter
Helen, and it takes place on vampire Arland’s home world. I was a little
bummed to have no Dina, no Inns, and no Earth, but this is a very
enjoyable entry in the series. Arland has proposed marriage to Maud, and
she has deferred, pending a visit to his home world. Maud has to
(re-)navigate vampire politics and aggression while making sure she &
Helen stay safe. Arland’s family is very unhappy with Maud’s deferral
and they test the heck out of her, in ways only these vampires can. In
parallel, Maud uncovers a serious threat to Arland’s entire home world,
and things race ahead from there.
This is the only one of yours I've read, and it is actually my favorite
Innkeeper book. I wouldn't mind another one, tying Maud's story in with
Diana's, perhaps in finally finding their parents. I guess Andrews will
be going in another direction for a while though (and good on them for
landing that deal!)
Yeah, this one was indeed very enjoyable - my being bummed was just the
initial realization, and I got over it very quickly.

And yes, very happy for them - I think I've enjoyed everything I've read
of theirs.
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( ++ 1/2 ) Majestrum - Hughes [Henghis Hapthorn]
Henghis Hapthorn is Old Earth’s foremost “discriminator” (i.e.
investigator), using a sharp intellect, astute powers of observation,
and the best technology of the age to aid his case-solving. When the
harrowing (but otherwise successful) outcome of a previous case
transforms his almost-AI aide into a living creature, and also
transforms his intuitional self into a separate being inside his head,
Henghis realizes that the rational universe is giving way to an emerging
magical one - where his intuitional alter-ego will shine, but where he,
the rational one, will fall into the background. The two cases he finds
himself on (one from the Archon himself) are part and parcel of this
universe transition, and Henghis gets pulled into it quite deeply.
Hughes’ writing in the Archonate universe reminds me greatly of Vance’s
Gaean Reach. Very enjoyable.
Interesting that you should say that, because your description brought to
mind Vance's short "The Men Return".
Post by Tony Nance
( +++ ) Cast in Oblivion - Sagara [Elantra #14]
Very good, as is typical in this series. Some very important things get
resolved, but which also open doors to some very interesting new issues.
The first half is taken up with The Consort coming to dinner at Kaylin’s
home, and the second half is taken up with the results of the many
conversations and plans that happen during that evening.
I need to get back to this series. I really enjoyed the ones I read,
but somehow I associated it with my emergency Nook purchase and never
got back to it when I got a Kindle back.
I obviously enjoy this series. One very interesting aspect -- just by
way of observation -- is that although this is entry #14, I believe less
than two years have passed in-universe since the start of #1 - maybe
even just one.

Tony
Titus G
2024-09-06 03:25:53 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat Harry Harrison e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.

When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
Tony Nance
2024-09-06 21:29:49 UTC
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Post by Tony Nance
Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat Harry Harrison e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.

When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.

But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.

Fun stuff so far,
Tony
Titus G
2024-09-07 03:25:40 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-09-07 04:10:41 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
He also wrote the ultimate space-opera sendup, _Star Smashers Of
The Galaxy Rangers_. I'm kind of scared to see if 63 year old me
still thinks it's as funny as 13 year old me did. Probably no --
it never is.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Tony Nance
2024-09-09 02:12:06 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
He also wrote the ultimate space-opera sendup, _Star Smashers Of
The Galaxy Rangers_. I'm kind of scared to see if 63 year old me
still thinks it's as funny as 13 year old me did. Probably no --
it never is.
I do have that one, and I'm curious how it will go for me (never read it
before).

Tony
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2024-09-09 16:50:00 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
He also wrote the ultimate space-opera sendup, _Star Smashers Of
The Galaxy Rangers_.  I'm kind of scared to see if 63 year old me
still thinks it's as funny as 13 year old me did.  Probably no --
it never is.
I do have that one, and I'm curious how it will go for me (never read it
before).
As I recall, it was written ironically, with tongue firmly in cheek, to
take all the space opera tropes, put them into the story, and turn them
up to 11.

pt
James Nicoll
2024-09-09 17:35:16 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
He also wrote the ultimate space-opera sendup, _Star Smashers Of
The Galaxy Rangers_.  I'm kind of scared to see if 63 year old me
still thinks it's as funny as 13 year old me did.  Probably no --
it never is.
I do have that one, and I'm curious how it will go for me (never read it
before).
As I recall, it was written ironically, with tongue firmly in cheek, to
take all the space opera tropes, put them into the story, and turn them
up to 11.
I came across a radio play of Bill the Galactic Hero. I am in no
danger of being confused by excess subtlety.
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2024-09-11 22:56:20 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
He also wrote the ultimate space-opera sendup, _Star Smashers Of
The Galaxy Rangers_.  I'm kind of scared to see if 63 year old me
still thinks it's as funny as 13 year old me did.  Probably no --
it never is.
I do have that one, and I'm curious how it will go for me (never read it
before).
As I recall, it was written ironically, with tongue firmly in cheek, to
take all the space opera tropes, put them into the story, and turn them
up to 11.
I came across a radio play of Bill the Galactic Hero. I am in no
danger of being confused by excess subtlety.
Heh! I also have that one, and I'm also curious how it will go for me
(never read it before).

Tony

Tony Nance
2024-09-09 02:10:25 UTC
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Long work - The Stainless Steel Rat - Harrison
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF -
at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the
time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a
Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work
for me. At all.
But over the many years, I have circled back to read a lot of the works
I missed, and the Harrison just popped up the other night.
Fun stuff so far,
Tony
There are many Harry Harrison books available for free at Project
Gutenberg. I can't remember the details now but my favourites included
The Ethical Engineer and Toyshop. The engineer was also a crook but may
have been more serious than the rat.
Just looked up Gutenberg. 14 books. Most popular is The stainless steel
rat.
Excellent - thank you.
Michael F. Stemper
2024-09-07 13:22:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Titus G
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF - at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at the time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie, nor a Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did not work for me. At all.
Andre Norton is the first author that I ever sought out by name, at
the age of about eight. Unfortunately, I now find her work nearly
unreadable -- certainly a slog. So, I completely sympathize with
you there.

However, I'm surprised that the Heinlein juvies were problematic
for you. In my experience, they work just as well in my second
childhood as they did in my first. RAH didn't write down to his
audience.

I just had a thought: was it the "father figure states the moral
of the story to the protagonist"?
--
Michael F. Stemper
I feel more like I do now than I did when I came in.
Tony Nance
2024-09-09 02:20:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael F. Stemper
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Titus G
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF
- at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at
the time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie,
nor a Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did
not work for me. At all.
Andre Norton is the first author that I ever sought out by name, at
the age of about eight. Unfortunately, I now find her work nearly
unreadable -- certainly a slog. So, I completely sympathize with
you there.
I did make it through the first few Witch World novels (whichever ones
made up an SFBC collection), but nothing really grabbed me there. I
don't remember if I read anything else by her.
Post by Michael F. Stemper
However, I'm surprised that the Heinlein juvies were problematic
for you. In my experience, they work just as well in my second
childhood as they did in my first. RAH didn't write down to his
audience.
I just had a thought: was it the "father figure states the moral
of the story to the protagonist"?
That's almost surely a part of it. Authoritative lecturing (esp to
youngsters) has never gone over well with me. I also think in a way --
unique to Heinlein -- the way I initially read this newsgroup decreased
my chances of success with Heinlein. As you'd remember, he was very
extensively discussed here. I read pretty much everything that was
posted out of interest, not realizing it might spoil the reading. When I
went to read a few of his, every nitpick and critique seemed to catch my
eye.

Tony
Ted Nolan <tednolan>
2024-09-09 02:27:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Michael F. Stemper
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Titus G
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF
- at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at
the time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie,
nor a Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did
not work for me. At all.
Andre Norton is the first author that I ever sought out by name, at
the age of about eight. Unfortunately, I now find her work nearly
unreadable -- certainly a slog. So, I completely sympathize with
you there.
I did make it through the first few Witch World novels (whichever ones
made up an SFBC collection), but nothing really grabbed me there. I
don't remember if I read anything else by her.
Post by Michael F. Stemper
However, I'm surprised that the Heinlein juvies were problematic
for you. In my experience, they work just as well in my second
childhood as they did in my first. RAH didn't write down to his
audience.
I just had a thought: was it the "father figure states the moral
of the story to the protagonist"?
That's almost surely a part of it. Authoritative lecturing (esp to
youngsters) has never gone over well with me. I also think in a way --
unique to Heinlein -- the way I initially read this newsgroup decreased
my chances of success with Heinlein. As you'd remember, he was very
extensively discussed here. I read pretty much everything that was
posted out of interest, not realizing it might spoil the reading. When I
went to read a few of his, every nitpick and critique seemed to catch my
eye.
Tony
I would say that "Witchworld" was the start of Norton's gear-change.
I believe I read the first one and didn't care for it at all, and rarely
clicked on her stuff after that. For me the _The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted Stars_
duology was peak Norton.

I loved most of the Heinlein juvies, but never really clicked on
_Time For The Stars_, _Between Planets_ or _Red Planet_, and I read
Podkayne too late.
--
columbiaclosings.com
What's not in Columbia anymore..
Ahasuerus
2024-09-09 15:15:53 UTC
Permalink
On 9/8/2024 10:27 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
[snip-snip]
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I would say that "Witchworld" was the start of Norton's gear-change.
I believe I read the first one and didn't care for it at all, and rarely
clicked on her stuff after that. For me the _The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted Stars_
duology was peak Norton.
I had a similar reaction to the first _Witch World_ novel and found its
disproportionate popularity -- it was the only Norton novel nominated
for the Hugo award -- somewhat puzzling. Moreover, there were dozens of
other stories/novels set in the same world and the last one, _Silver May
Tarnish_ (with Lyn McConchie), came out in 2005.

It's almost like not everyone shares my tastes. Odd, that.

Having said that, it's worth pointing out that, even though "late
Norton" books are generally not as well regarded as earlier ones, it
wasn't a cliff. For example, the _The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted Stars_
duology came out in 1968/1969, 5-6 years after the first _Witch World_
(1963).
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I loved most of the Heinlein juvies, but never really clicked on
_Time For The Stars_, _Between Planets_ or _Red Planet_, and I read
Podkayne too late.
One thing that we determined back in the 1990s was that Usenet posters
generally agreed that most Heinlein juveniles were "good", but everyone
had a somewhat different rated list. For what it's worth, here is mine:

Tier 1

* Citizen of the Galaxy
* Have Space Suit -- Will Travel

Tier 2

* Tunnel in the Sky
* The Star Beast
* Time for the Stars
* Red Planet

Tier 3

* Starman Jones
* Farmer in the Sky
* The Rolling Stones

Tier 4

* Between Planets
* Space Cadet
* Podkayne of Mars

Tier 5

* Rocket Ship Galileo

(_Starship Troopers_ was originally written as a juvenile and rejected
by Scribner as "too adult". And then Doubleday and Campbell rejected it
as "too juvenile".)
Lynn McGuire
2024-09-10 05:38:48 UTC
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Post by Ahasuerus
[snip-snip]
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I would say that "Witchworld" was the start of Norton's gear-change.
I believe I read the first one and didn't care for it at all, and rarely
clicked on her stuff after that.  For me the _The Zero Stone_/
_Uncharted Stars_
duology was peak Norton.
I had a similar reaction to the first _Witch World_ novel and found its
disproportionate popularity -- it was the only Norton novel nominated
for the Hugo award -- somewhat puzzling. Moreover, there were dozens of
other stories/novels set in the same world and the last one, _Silver May
Tarnish_ (with Lyn McConchie), came out in 2005.
It's almost like not everyone shares my tastes. Odd, that.
Having said that, it's worth pointing out that, even though "late
Norton" books are generally not as well regarded as earlier ones, it
wasn't a cliff. For example, the _The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted Stars_
duology came out in 1968/1969, 5-6 years after the first _Witch World_
(1963).
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
I loved most of the Heinlein juvies, but never really clicked on
_Time For The Stars_, _Between Planets_ or _Red Planet_, and I read
Podkayne too late.
One thing that we determined back in the 1990s was that Usenet posters
generally agreed that most Heinlein juveniles were "good", but everyone
Tier 1
* Citizen of the Galaxy
* Have Space Suit -- Will Travel
Tier 2
* Tunnel in the Sky
* The Star Beast
* Time for the Stars
* Red Planet
Tier 3
* Starman Jones
* Farmer in the Sky
* The Rolling Stones
Tier 4
* Between Planets
* Space Cadet
* Podkayne of Mars
Tier 5
* Rocket Ship Galileo
(_Starship Troopers_ was originally written as a juvenile and rejected
by Scribner as "too adult". And then Doubleday and Campbell rejected it
as "too juvenile".)
Move "The Star Beast" to Tier 1 and we are good.

"The Star Beast" is quite unique among Heinlein's books in that it has
many space faring races of different unique configurations. Very
unusual for him. And Earth was not supreme among the various space
faring races.

Lynn
Don_from_AZ
2024-09-10 15:53:06 UTC
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<snip>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Ahasuerus
One thing that we determined back in the 1990s was that Usenet
posters generally agreed that most Heinlein juveniles were "good",
but everyone had a somewhat different rated list. For what it's
Tier 1
* Citizen of the Galaxy
* Have Space Suit -- Will Travel
Tier 2
* Tunnel in the Sky
* The Star Beast
* Time for the Stars
* Red Planet
Tier 3
* Starman Jones
* Farmer in the Sky
* The Rolling Stones
Tier 4
* Between Planets
* Space Cadet
* Podkayne of Mars
Tier 5
* Rocket Ship Galileo
(_Starship Troopers_ was originally written as a juvenile and
rejected by Scribner as "too adult". And then Doubleday and Campbell
rejected it as "too juvenile".)
Move "The Star Beast" to Tier 1 and we are good.
"The Star Beast" is quite unique among Heinlein's books in that it has
many space faring races of different unique configurations. Very
unusual for him. And Earth was not supreme among the various space
faring races.
Lynn
"Have Space Suit -- Will Travel" also had a multitude of space faring
races, sitting in judgement on Earth after disposing of the bad guys by
"rotating" their planet.
-Don-
Christian Weisgerber
2024-09-10 17:21:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don_from_AZ
"Have Space Suit -- Will Travel" also had a multitude of space faring
races, sitting in judgement on Earth after disposing of the bad guys by
"rotating" their planet.
-Don-
"You do not understand--they do not take their star with them."

Not exactly the sort of thing you expect in a juvenile.
--
Christian "naddy" Weisgerber ***@mips.inka.de
Lynn McGuire
2024-09-11 19:49:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don_from_AZ
<snip>
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Ahasuerus
One thing that we determined back in the 1990s was that Usenet
posters generally agreed that most Heinlein juveniles were "good",
but everyone had a somewhat different rated list. For what it's
Tier 1
* Citizen of the Galaxy
* Have Space Suit -- Will Travel
Tier 2
* Tunnel in the Sky
* The Star Beast
* Time for the Stars
* Red Planet
Tier 3
* Starman Jones
* Farmer in the Sky
* The Rolling Stones
Tier 4
* Between Planets
* Space Cadet
* Podkayne of Mars
Tier 5
* Rocket Ship Galileo
(_Starship Troopers_ was originally written as a juvenile and
rejected by Scribner as "too adult". And then Doubleday and Campbell
rejected it as "too juvenile".)
Move "The Star Beast" to Tier 1 and we are good.
"The Star Beast" is quite unique among Heinlein's books in that it has
many space faring races of different unique configurations. Very
unusual for him. And Earth was not supreme among the various space
faring races.
Lynn
"Have Space Suit -- Will Travel" also had a multitude of space faring
races, sitting in judgement on Earth after disposing of the bad guys by
"rotating" their planet.
-Don-
I forgot about that ! I need to reread.

I have "Glory Road" as my next Heinlein reread. Then "I Will Fear No Evil".

Lynn
Cryptoengineer
2024-09-09 16:53:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Michael F. Stemper
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Titus G
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF
- at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at
the time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie,
nor a Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did
not work for me. At all.
Andre Norton is the first author that I ever sought out by name, at
the age of about eight. Unfortunately, I now find her work nearly
unreadable -- certainly a slog. So, I completely sympathize with
you there.
I did make it through the first few Witch World novels (whichever ones
made up an SFBC collection), but nothing really grabbed me there. I
don't remember if I read anything else by her.
Post by Michael F. Stemper
However, I'm surprised that the Heinlein juvies were problematic
for you. In my experience, they work just as well in my second
childhood as they did in my first. RAH didn't write down to his
audience.
I just had a thought: was it the "father figure states the moral
of the story to the protagonist"?
That's almost surely a part of it. Authoritative lecturing (esp to
youngsters) has never gone over well with me. I also think in a way --
unique to Heinlein -- the way I initially read this newsgroup decreased
my chances of success with Heinlein. As you'd remember, he was very
extensively discussed here. I read pretty much everything that was
posted out of interest, not realizing it might spoil the reading. When I
went to read a few of his, every nitpick and critique seemed to catch my
eye.
Tony
I would say that "Witchworld" was the start of Norton's gear-change.
I believe I read the first one and didn't care for it at all, and rarely
clicked on her stuff after that. For me the _The Zero Stone_/_Uncharted Stars_
duology was peak Norton.
I loved most of the Heinlein juvies, but never really clicked on
_Time For The Stars_, _Between Planets_ or _Red Planet_, and I read
Podkayne too late.
Agreed on 'Zero Stone' and 'Uncharted Stars'. I loved Norton when I was
a teenager - don't know what I'd think now.

Norton was the first author to give me a real sensawunda in
contemplating Deep Time. Her 'Forrunners' gave me goosebumps.

pt
Lynn McGuire
2024-09-10 05:40:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cryptoengineer
Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Michael F. Stemper
Post by Tony Nance
Post by Titus G
January 2014.
The Stainless Steel Rat    Harry Harrison        e 3
Futuristic super criminal. A bit over the top. Enjoyable pot boiler.
March 2014
The Stainless Steel Rat's Revenge Harry Harrison Not Finished.
A bit over the top. Too similar to its predecessor.
When I first read these last century from the library, I just loved
them. Are they a first reading for you?
They are, and I am greatly enjoying this one.
When I started reading this newsgroup in the mid-1990s, it didn't take
long for me to realize I had a pretty non-standard introduction to SF
- at least non-standard compared to almost everyone on the group at
the time. As two examples (of many), I've never read a Heinlein juvie,
nor a Norton, and when I tried to catch up in my 30s, they simply did
not work for me. At all.
Andre Norton is the first author that I ever sought out by name, at
the age of about eight. Unfortunately, I now find her work nearly
unreadable -- certainly a slog. So, I completely sympathize with
you there.
I did make it through the first few Witch World novels (whichever ones
made up an SFBC collection), but nothing really grabbed me there. I
don't remember if I read anything else by her.
Post by Michael F. Stemper
However, I'm surprised that the Heinlein juvies were problematic
for you. In my experience, they work just as well in my second
childhood as they did in my first. RAH didn't write down to his
audience.
I just had a thought: was it the "father figure states the moral
of the story to the protagonist"?
That's almost surely a part of it. Authoritative lecturing (esp to
youngsters) has never gone over well with me. I also think in a way --
unique to Heinlein -- the way I initially read this newsgroup decreased
my chances of success with Heinlein. As you'd remember, he was very
extensively discussed here. I read pretty much everything that was
posted out of interest, not realizing it might spoil the reading. When I
went to read a few of his, every nitpick and critique seemed to catch my
eye.
Tony
I would say that "Witchworld" was the start of Norton's gear-change.
I believe I read the first one and didn't care for it at all, and rarely
clicked on her stuff after that.  For me the _The Zero Stone_/
_Uncharted Stars_
duology was peak Norton.
I loved most of the Heinlein juvies, but never really clicked on
_Time For The Stars_, _Between Planets_ or _Red Planet_, and I read
Podkayne too late.
Agreed on 'Zero Stone' and 'Uncharted Stars'. I loved Norton when I was
a teenager - don't know what I'd think now.
Norton was the first author to give me a real sensawunda in
contemplating Deep Time. Her 'Forrunners' gave me goosebumps.
pt
Eet ! The first space cat that I read of.

Lynn
Don_from_AZ
2024-09-10 16:03:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Cryptoengineer
Agreed on 'Zero Stone' and 'Uncharted Stars'. I loved Norton when I was
a teenager - don't know what I'd think now.
Norton was the first author to give me a real sensawunda in
contemplating Deep Time. Her 'Forrunners' gave me goosebumps.
pt
Eet ! The first space cat that I read of.
Lynn
Just reread 'Zero Stone' and 'Uncharted Stars'. 'Eet' wasn't really a cat,
although born of one: it is never really explained just who or what Eet
is.
-Don-
Lynn McGuire
2024-09-11 19:50:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Don_from_AZ
Post by Lynn McGuire
Post by Cryptoengineer
Agreed on 'Zero Stone' and 'Uncharted Stars'. I loved Norton when I was
a teenager - don't know what I'd think now.
Norton was the first author to give me a real sensawunda in
contemplating Deep Time. Her 'Forrunners' gave me goosebumps.
pt
Eet ! The first space cat that I read of.
Lynn
Just reread 'Zero Stone' and 'Uncharted Stars'. 'Eet' wasn't really a cat,
although born of one: it is never really explained just who or what Eet
is.
-Don-
Yup, Eet was shapechanger space alien from my reread of 40+ years ago.

Lynn
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