King Laurin?

[Don]

King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...

"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.

PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>

<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>

Danke,

[Christian Weisgerber]

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"

I was going to say the _Nibelungenlied_ isn't really part of the
cultural background in the English-speaking world... but on checking
I see that Laurin doesn't appear there and Siegfried got his magic
cloak of invisibility ("Tarnkappe") from a different dwarf.

Laurin is also referenced in an episode of the 1960s German TV
series _Raumpatrouille_ (Space Patrol) as the name of some gadget
that projects a mirage.

So, yeah, part of the German-language cultural background.

[Don]

Post by Christian Weisgerber

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"

I was going to say the _Nibelungenlied_ isn't really part of the
cultural background in the English-speaking world... but on checking
I see that Laurin doesn't appear there and Siegfried got his magic
cloak of invisibility ("Tarnkappe") from a different dwarf.
Laurin is also referenced in an episode of the 1960s German TV
series _Raumpatrouille_ (Space Patrol) as the name of some gadget
that projects a mirage.
So, yeah, part of the German-language cultural background.

If _Beowulf_ provides psychological perspicacity into the violent under-
tones of the Anglo-Saxon psyche, then perhaps King Laurin's rose garden
rules do likewise with the White House. LOL.

Danke,

[Thomas Koenig]

Post by Christian Weisgerber

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"

I was going to say the _Nibelungenlied_ isn't really part of the
cultural background in the English-speaking world... but on checking
I see that Laurin doesn't appear there and Siegfried got his magic
cloak of invisibility ("Tarnkappe") from a different dwarf.

Laurin is part of the "Dietrich von Bern" saga, aka Theoderic
the Great.

Post by Christian Weisgerber
Laurin is also referenced in an episode of the 1960s German TV
series _Raumpatrouille_ (Space Patrol) as the name of some gadget
that projects a mirage.
So, yeah, part of the German-language cultural background.

Definitely.

[David Johnston]

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>
<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>
Danke,

Yes, the American space program is doubtless filled with astronauts who
know that German folk tale.

[Don]

Post by David Johnston

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>
<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>

Yes, the American space program is doubtless filled with astronauts who
know that German folk tale.

Some Operation Paperclip people probably knew about King Laurins, as a
matter of fact (versus fiction). LOL.

Danke,

[Don]

Post by Don

Post by David Johnston

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>
<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>

Yes, the American space program is doubtless filled with astronauts who
know that German folk tale.

Some Operation Paperclip people probably knew about King Laurins, as a
matter of fact (versus fiction). LOL.

My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred’s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich’s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.

The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

Danke,

[Paul S Person]

Post by Don

Post by David Johnston

Post by Don
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>
<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>

Yes, the American space program is doubtless filled with astronauts who
know that German folk tale.

Some Operation Paperclip people probably knew about King Laurins, as a
matter of fact (versus fiction). LOL.

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred’s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich’s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.

They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.

Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".

This is, of course, IMHO.

[Don]

<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
Among its flaws, Darwinism fails to account for Mendelian
inheritance. Here's a re-post of a scientific paper exorcised from
another thread:

Mathematical Challenges to Macroevolution

Abstract

The theory of evolution was advanced by Darwin in 1859, prior
to Mendel’s experiments demonstrating the particulate nature
of inheritance. The modern synthesis was formulated in the
early 1940s, well before the concept of coded information
was understood. This paper outlines four mathematical
challenges to the modern synthesis, which are based on
current understanding of the proposed mechanisms of
evolutionary change within the constraints of experimental
molecular biology.

(10.4236/jamp.2022.1011224)

Danke,

[Paul S Person]

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA was, it appears, born in 1822.

Not the Middle Ages, when /Eifelheim/ occurs (the local "lord" returns
from, IIRC, a Crusade -- a real one).

Apples and oranges. Nice try, though.

The novelette, IIRC, won an award. The novel, AFAIK, did not.

[Robert Woodward]

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA was, it appears, born in 1822.
Not the Middle Ages, when /Eifelheim/ occurs (the local "lord" returns
from, IIRC, a Crusade -- a real one).
Apples and oranges. Nice try, though.

On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

[Don]

Robert Woodward wrote:

<snip>

Post by Robert Woodward
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

Thank you. This particular Bacon leads to a couple of SF series:
_The Deptford Trilogy_ (Davies) and _Ægypt_ (Crowley). Of the two, the
latter piques my interest more because it features English occultist
John Dee - a known associate my Shakespeare project's principal perp -
he who must not be named (at least not in this gentle subthread).
Suffice it to say the scoundrel shares a surname with the Franciscan
friar scientist.

Danke,

[Paul S Person]

On Tue, 07 May 2024 09:59:58 -0700, Robert Woodward

Post by Robert Woodward

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA was, it appears, born in 1822.
Not the Middle Ages, when /Eifelheim/ occurs (the local "lord" returns
from, IIRC, a Crusade -- a real one).
Apples and oranges. Nice try, though.

On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.

He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead) because Aristotle believed the Earth to be the center of what we
now call the solar system (which, plus a crystal sphere of the fixed
stars, was "the world" as late as Newton).

But the priest under consideration /thought like/ (and we hear his
thoughts) a modern scientist, not Bacon. Not even like Eco's William
of Baskerville as portrayed by Sean Connery.

And most of the rest of the added material is simply boring.
Apparently, the author thought that medieval == deadly dull while
modern == somewhat interesting.

And, as I say, a part of the novelette is inserted early into the
novel and gives away the ending. Presumably. So I stopped wondering
"what happens next" because it clearly dids not matter and lost all
interest in continuing.

This is very rare for me. The only other book sharing this "honor" is
/Something Happened/, which I gave up on after reading what seemed
like a lot of in which nothing happened at all.

The only other possibility is /The Killer Angels/, which I left behind
at one point and then couldn't locate when I looked for it. I didn't
actually stop reading it; but I didn't buy another copy and continue
on either. So it sort-of counts.

[Don]

<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Robert Woodward
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)

Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could
continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
soon.

It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.

<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>

Danke,

[Jerry Brown]

On Wed, 8 May 2024 17:56:02 -0000 (UTC), Don <***@crcomp.net> wrote:

<snip>

Post by Don
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>

"Pennyworth" the spinoff from "Gotham" was set in alternate 60s UK in
which hanging, drawing and quartering is broadcast live on TV from the
Tower of London. I recall several questions on the message boards at
the time which thought that this was the case in the real UK!

There are also gibbets on the streets of Westminster (which also
wasn't the case in the real world).

AFAIC this show managed to beat "Game of Thrones" for gore (I don't
watch any of the multiplicity of zombie shows, which may hold the top
ranking).

[Don]

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Don
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>

"Pennyworth" the spinoff from "Gotham" was set in alternate 60s UK in
which hanging, drawing and quartering is broadcast live on TV from the
Tower of London. I recall several questions on the message boards at
the time which thought that this was the case in the real UK!
There are also gibbets on the streets of Westminster (which also
wasn't the case in the real world).
AFAIC this show managed to beat "Game of Thrones" for gore (I don't
watch any of the multiplicity of zombie shows, which may hold the top
ranking).

Gore's not for me, at least not on a superficial level. It's deeper
sociological implications intrigue me:

Sociological propaganda expresses itself in many different
ways - in advertising, in the movies (commercial and non-
political films), in technology in general, in education,
in the /Reader's Digest/; and in social work, case work,
and settlement houses. All of these influences are in basic
accord with each other and lead spontaneously in the same
direction; one hesitates to call all this propaganda.

_Propaganda - The Formation of Men's Attitudes_ (Ellul)

# # #

The groupthink enshrined in law as The Treason Act of 1351 shares some
similarities with this thread's expected, yet unexpected (as TV viewers
see it), Spanish Inquisition:

So barbaric was the form of execution that it could only
be carried out on men, as it was deemed indecent to
expose a woman’s body to such treatment. A woman
convicted of treason would instead be beheaded or burned
at the stake.

(Ibid)

Danke,

[Paul S Person]

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Robert Woodward
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)

Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could
continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
soon.

The Spanish Inquisition, in its constant search for seizable assets,
was known to dig up dead "hidden Jews", flog the bones, and confiscate
the wealth left to the survivors.

So, yes, the /corpse/ could be violated. But the person was sublimely
unaffected. Or writhing in flames and so unable to feel anything more.
Whichever applied.

And it occurs to me that, if they were in Purgatory (as a Lutheran I
do not, of course, accept the existence of Purgatory), the additional
punishment meted out by the Holy Office might knock a few millenia off
their sentence. And so not be entirely superfluous (as the mother says
about the next-day's wedding to her daughter in /The Wedding Party/).

Post by Don
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>

IIRC, at one time in England, miscreants were taken on a tour of the
country, hanged in various places for a while, then taken down before
they had managed to die from strangulation and then taken on to the
next favored location.

IIRC, /Braveheart/ illustrates "hanging, drawing, quartering" quite
well at the end. Only the last was fatal.

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Robert Woodward
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)

Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could
continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
soon.

The Spanish Inquisition, in its constant search for seizable assets,
was known to dig up dead "hidden Jews", flog the bones, and confiscate
the wealth left to the survivors.
So, yes, the /corpse/ could be violated. But the person was sublimely
unaffected. Or writhing in flames and so unable to feel anything more.
Whichever applied.
And it occurs to me that, if they were in Purgatory (as a Lutheran I
do not, of course, accept the existence of Purgatory), the additional
punishment meted out by the Holy Office might knock a few millenia off
their sentence. And so not be entirely superfluous (as the mother says
about the next-day's wedding to her daughter in /The Wedding Party/).

Post by Don
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>

IIRC, at one time in England, miscreants were taken on a tour of the
country, hanged in various places for a while, then taken down before
they had managed to die from strangulation and then taken on to the
next favored location.
IIRC, /Braveheart/ illustrates "hanging, drawing, quartering" quite
well at the end. Only the last was fatal.

¡Drawing (removal of intestines and possibly more) wasnt fatal?

Pt

[Scott Lurndal]

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

Post by Robert Woodward
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).

Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)

Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could
continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
soon.

The Spanish Inquisition, in its constant search for seizable assets,
was known to dig up dead "hidden Jews", flog the bones, and confiscate
the wealth left to the survivors.
So, yes, the /corpse/ could be violated. But the person was sublimely
unaffected. Or writhing in flames and so unable to feel anything more.
Whichever applied.
And it occurs to me that, if they were in Purgatory (as a Lutheran I
do not, of course, accept the existence of Purgatory), the additional
punishment meted out by the Holy Office might knock a few millenia off
their sentence. And so not be entirely superfluous (as the mother says
about the next-day's wedding to her daughter in /The Wedding Party/).

Post by Don
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>

IIRC, at one time in England, miscreants were taken on a tour of the
country, hanged in various places for a while, then taken down before
they had managed to die from strangulation and then taken on to the
next favored location.
IIRC, /Braveheart/ illustrates "hanging, drawing, quartering" quite
well at the end. Only the last was fatal.

¡Drawing (removal of intestines and possibly more) wasnt fatal?

Eventually, if not immediately. I've seen references to Druids
wrapping them around a tree while the victim suffers (iirc,
in _The Crystal Cave_).

[Mad Hamish]

Post by Don
<snip>

Post by Paul S Person

During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the
Black Forest.

I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.

The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
Among its flaws, Darwinism fails to account for Mendelian
inheritance. Here's a re-post of a scientific paper exorcised from
Mathematical Challenges to Macroevolution

Take it to alt.kooks
or try and get it past peer review somewhere

[Don]

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Post by Mad Hamish

Post by Don
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
Among its flaws, Darwinism fails to account for Mendelian
inheritance. Here's a re-post of a scientific paper exorcised from
Mathematical Challenges to Macroevolution
Abstract
The theory of evolution was advanced by Darwin in 1859, prior
to Mendel???s experiments demonstrating the particulate nature
of inheritance. The modern synthesis was formulated in the
early 1940s, well before the concept of coded information
was understood. This paper outlines four mathematical
challenges to the modern synthesis, which are based on
current understanding of the proposed mechanisms of
evolutionary change within the constraints of experimental
molecular biology.
(10.4236/jamp.2022.1011224)

Take it to alt.kooks
or try and get it past peer review somewhere

Some particle physics peers arguably act as kooks. But we'll save them
for later. For the time being let's stick to this thread's topic.
Your doubled down "exorcism of wrong thought" (as you see it) was
reversed to make it easier to see the paper's citation:
(10.4236/jamp.2022.1011224).
Such a citation indicates a peer reviewed paper. For the present case,
_The Journal of Applied Mathematics and Physics_ published this paper.

Danke,