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2021-08-24 20:12:28 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.

Robert
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2021-08-24 21:51:50 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
Perhaps a 'sundown town':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

They existed at least as far north as Massachusetts.

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2021-08-24 23:25:13 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
They existed at least as far north as Massachusetts.
Yes, at least as far back as the late 20's...he remembered the sign.

Robert
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2021-08-25 01:29:56 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
They existed at least as far north as Massachusetts.
Yes, at least as far back as the late 20's...he remembered the sign.
...and as recently as the 1970s, though by then it was no longer by ordinance.

https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/secret-history-new-englands-sundown-towns/

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2021-08-25 01:57:12 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
They existed at least as far north as Massachusetts.
Yes, at least as far back as the late 20's...he remembered the sign.
...and as recently as the 1970s, though by then it was no longer by ordinance.
https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/secret-history-new-englands-sundown-towns/
Note that a sundown town figures in "Lovecraft Country".
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2021-08-25 04:07:52 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
They existed at least as far north as Massachusetts.
Yes, at least as far back as the late 20's...he remembered the sign.
...and as recently as the 1970s, though by then it was no longer by ordinance.
https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/secret-history-new-englands-sundown-towns/
Note that a sundown town figures in "Lovecraft Country".
More than one. That they had one in MA surprised me, so I researched it a little.
Great show, though I found that having Every Single White Person be an out and
out racist a bit problematic.

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Quadibloc
2021-08-25 14:41:35 UTC
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Great show, though I found that having Every Single White Person be an out and
out racist a bit problematic.
If there were fewer than 1,000 white characters in the cast, and the story was set
before World War II... it may not be all that unrealistic. It's hard to realize just how
profoundly Western culture was changed by the discovery of the Nazi concentration
camps in the aftermath of the Second World War.

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2021-08-25 16:39:28 UTC
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Great show, though I found that having Every Single White Person be an out and
out racist a bit problematic.
If there were fewer than 1,000 white characters in the cast, and the story was set
before World War II... it may not be all that unrealistic. It's hard to realize just how
profoundly Western culture was changed by the discovery of the Nazi concentration
camps in the aftermath of the Second World War.
When I run into (online) an alt-right fanatic talking about the "peak
of Western culture", I often suggest that what he (it's /always/ a he,
BTW) is actually referring to is Auschwitz, not Beethoven.

In a sense, the alt-right is a problem for "white people" to solve.
They are, after all, tarring all "white people" with Adolf's Brush.

But only in a sense. Anybody who wants to attack them is welcome to do
so. Note that I would prefer a /verbal/ attack. Not only is that what
I am thinking of when I say that, but it makes the situation /so much
clearer/ if they are the only ones engaging in violence.
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
They existed at least as far north as Massachusetts.
Yes, at least as far back as the late 20's...he remembered the sign.
...and as recently as the 1970s, though by then it was no longer by ordinance.
https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/secret-history-new-englands-sundown-towns/
Note that a sundown town figures in "Lovecraft Country".
More than one. That they had one in MA surprised me, so I researched it a little.
Great show, though I found that having Every Single White Person be an out and
out racist a bit problematic.
Being or acting? As with, say, a local school sports team, fanatical
support may have been expected, regardless of personal feelings. So,
depending on the time-frame, it may be quite realistic insofar as
behavior is concerned.

That is one fundamental change, still on-going (I suspect) in some
areas: only the people who /are/ out and out racists behave like one.
Everyone else, at least, does not, and so isolates them. We are moving
to the point where (not just passive-aggressively, but even openly)
opposing them is becoming more common.
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"I have envied him long since."
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2021-08-24 22:11:27 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
I agree that James has no basis for his statement. There were large areas
of the country with extremely few Blacks in 1920.

I grew up in South Dakota. Much later, in the 1970 census (just after
the time I was there), there were 26 counties in South Dakota with no
Blacks at all; 27 with single digit numbers of Blacks, and 11 counties
with more. And South Dakota was not all that conservative then (it's
perhaps gotten more so). George McGovern was a liberal US Senator
then - he ran for President in 1972, suffering one of the worst
defeats in US history running against Nixon.

For 1920. I can't find per county figures, but there were 823 Blacks
in all of South Dakota, concentrated in a couple of major cities. Lots
of towns without Blacks. (Very few without Native Americans, but no Blacks).

Chris
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2021-08-25 16:42:28 UTC
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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
I agree that James has no basis for his statement. There were large areas
of the country with extremely few Blacks in 1920.
I grew up in South Dakota. Much later, in the 1970 census (just after
the time I was there), there were 26 counties in South Dakota with no
Blacks at all; 27 with single digit numbers of Blacks, and 11 counties
with more. And South Dakota was not all that conservative then (it's
perhaps gotten more so). George McGovern was a liberal US Senator
then - he ran for President in 1972, suffering one of the worst
defeats in US history running against Nixon.
Indeed he was -- so ultra-liberal that nobody could figure out what he
was talking about. Well, I couldn't, anyway. Maybe I didn't go to the
right schools ...
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For 1920. I can't find per county figures, but there were 823 Blacks
in all of South Dakota, concentrated in a couple of major cities. Lots
of towns without Blacks. (Very few without Native Americans, but no Blacks).
WWII pulled a /lot/ of African-Americans North to work in industries
vital to the war.
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"I have envied him long since."
Quadibloc
2021-08-25 14:37:55 UTC
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If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
In 1922, it certainly _is_ true that black people were subject to violence,
with no interference from the law, in many areas.
But that doesn't mean that most of the small towns in America that were
100% white weren't that way simply because... that's how they were from
the very beginning. No one had to do anything to keep black people out;
they migrated to places where they could find jobs, which meant big
cities - and they started _from_ places to which their ancestors had been
taken as slaves.
So small towns in the North did not have to... exert themselves unduly.

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The girl at the centre of this story is unsure how to racially classify her
family’s guest; her home town is entirely white and she has never seen a
black person. Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s,
this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local
authorities.
Strangely enough this sounds exactly like my father's home town (no, not in
the South). He was born in 1922 and the first (and only) Black person he saw
played for an opposing high school basketball team. When he visited
Washington, DC as a soldier during WWII he pointed out to his companion the
amazing number of Black people in the city. While on a bus. Using a term for
Black that was very inappropriate even for 1941. In the future he credited his
uniform for keeping him alive. He didn't mean anything by it...it was the only
term he'd ever heard. His companion suggested some alternatives.
If the "local authorities" had anything to do with it was with the enthusiastic
support of the local population.
On another news group, a decade or two ago, a poster revealed that he
had grown up believing nobody in his family was racist, because they
never made any racist remarks. But when his Grandmother visited him in
a area where African-Americans were actually present, it quickly
became apparent that she was (and so other relatives no doubt were),
indeed, racist -- there just wasn't anybody to provide a target so the
racism never manifested itself.

This may or may not have something to do with the assertion that pops
up from time to time that teaching school children about slavery and
racism as part of our history and culture is "divisive": those making
it may have grown up in such an environment and are convinced that
there is no discrimination and never was. Or, of course, they could
just be part of Cancel Culture. It's hard to be sure. By the time you
get to those claiming the US Army was racially integrated from its
founding, of course, it is clear that nutters have been sighted; but
they may honestly believe that if they were raised that way and are
ignorant enough.
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"I have envied him long since."
Quadibloc
2021-08-25 14:33:56 UTC
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You haven't been paying attention!
Just because an author says that Turks look funny doesn't mean
he is xenophobic.
Now, if he had been saying that about _Armenians_, yes, that would
be very problematic.
But this? It's no different from an author saying unflattering things
about Germans.

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2021-08-25 15:52:22 UTC
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Ah, yes. The whole "Women as Convenient Wombs" subgenre.

There was, of course, one cinematic example of that sort of thing
done _right_: the three survivors are one white man, one black man,
and one (white) woman. The white and black man spend their time
fighting, and it is the woman who has agency and recognizes that
the changed situation demands the discarding of outmoded attitudes
and mores.

While I realize there isn't enough space in what is primarily a review of
a specific anthology to do this... the whole subgenre does deserve an
examination.

Did the author of "The Cold Equations" hate little girls?

Of course not; he was making a point, and it was clear what point he
was making.

Starting from that, we can ask ourselves if, in general, the stories in
this subgenre were usuallty aimed at making some sort of point, rather
than merely serving as outlets for (possibly repressed) hostility towards
women.

While sweeping generalizations will of necessity be wrong for some
specific cases, I would say that the typical story in this subgenre does
fit a general pattern.

The point is usually this: that Judaeo-Christian sexual morality (and
only incidentally female sexual autonomy) is a feeble artificial construct,
a luxury made possible by the comfort provided by our fragile technological
civilization... and the reader urgently needs to get back in touch with the
basics needed for survival in a primitive world where all that is... pardon
the expression... swept away.

Equal rights for women could indeed be seen as a manifestation of
unrealistic thinking, an indulgence possible by our prosperity, and a regression
to Victorian sentimentality.

So the response has to avoid at least one trap. The viewpoint behind
such stories is _not_ *objectively* wrong.

1) Modern technological civilization, which brings us comfort and prosperity,
could conceivably collapse.

2) In the event of such a collapse, our society would be less able to live up
to some of its ideals, as practicalities would become more urgent. Thus,
for example, such a day might not be a good time to have Down's Syndrome.

So, rather than simply saying that these stories are "bad", the attack
should shift to a different approach: are they *necessary*?

That is: in today's world, is the issue that people are too confident that a
material culture based on an advanced industrial civilization, being the current
condition, will be around forever... really more important than the issue of
raising awareness about the continued inequality of women in our society,
and trying to change that?

There is a counter-argument.

This is science-fiction! It's supposed to be the genre that asks the questions
no one else is asking; the one where the stories express independent thought,
questioning current social trends from the outside.

And the counter-argument is not utterly without validity.

But by now it should be obvious what is going on.

As it was in the days when Hugo Gernsback was alive, so it still was in
some corners of the science-fiction world even in the 1970s. A _mundus
discursus_ from which women were utterly absent.

But their absence was about as conspicuous... as water is to a fish.

Thus, I do think that misogyny is the wrong charge...

John Savard
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2021-08-25 16:00:17 UTC
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Ah, yes. The whole "Women as Convenient Wombs" subgenre.
There was, of course, one cinematic example of that sort of thing
done _right_: the three survivors are one white man, one black man,
and one (white) woman. The white and black man spend their time
fighting, and it is the woman who has agency and recognizes that
the changed situation demands the discarding of outmoded attitudes
and mores.
Somehow, this sounds a bit odd coming from 'the vatgirl guy'.

Out of curiosity, what was the film?

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Ah, yes. The whole "Women as Convenient Wombs" subgenre.
There was, of course, one cinematic example of that sort of thing
done _right_: the three survivors are one white man, one black man,
and one (white) woman. The white and black man spend their time
fighting, and it is the woman who has agency and recognizes that
the changed situation demands the discarding of outmoded attitudes
and mores.
Somehow, this sounds a bit odd coming from 'the vatgirl guy'.
Out of curiosity, what was the film?
Sounds like "The World, the Flesh, and the Devil".
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Ah, yes. The whole "Women as Convenient Wombs" subgenre.
There was, of course, one cinematic example of that sort of thing
done _right_: the three survivors are one white man, one black man,
and one (white) woman. The white and black man spend their time
fighting, and it is the woman who has agency and recognizes that
the changed situation demands the discarding of outmoded attitudes
and mores.
Somehow, this sounds a bit odd coming from 'the vatgirl guy'.
Out of curiosity, what was the film?
Sounds like "The World, the Flesh, and the Devil".
Yes, that is indeed the film I was thinking of.

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Somehow, this sounds a bit odd coming from 'the vatgirl guy'.
The fact that the typical man does not function properly without
a woman at home to bear him children and then take care of them
for him... and so the fraction of women who seek fulfillment in
careers instead of as housewives leads to problems...

is a deficiency of men, not of women.

Changing the human sex ratio, so that the fraction of women who still
wish to be housewives is equal in size to all men is merely the least bad
solution to the problem, in my opinion. It allows women to be free to
make choices about their lives, and yet it avoids the social problems
resulting from the strife entailed when men compete for an insufficient
pool of available women.

I want women to be equal. But I _also_ want the crime rate to be
much lower than it is at present, and I want an end to war.

John Savard
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Somehow, this sounds a bit odd coming from 'the vatgirl guy'.
The fact that the typical man does not function properly without
a woman at home to bear him children and then take care of them
for him... and so the fraction of women who seek fulfillment in
careers instead of as housewives leads to problems...
Please define "function properly" and explain how the lack of a woman
at home bearing children prevents such "proper functioning".
Personally I am very happy that I escaped that fate.
Post by Quadibloc
is a deficiency of men, not of women.
Changing the human sex ratio, so that the fraction of women who still
wish to be housewives is equal in size to all men is merely the least bad
solution to the problem, in my opinion.
How about you change the sex ratio so that the number of men who want
to be burdened with battle-axes and squalling brats equals the number
of women who wish to burden men with themselves and their brats?
Post by Quadibloc
It allows women to be free to
make choices about their lives, and yet it avoids the social problems
resulting from the strife entailed when men compete for an insufficient
pool of available women.
You still have not demonstrated that there is a problem that needs to
be solved.

The Taliban seems to be having little trouble getting married and
producing legions of brats. They are still assholes.
Post by Quadibloc
I want women to be equal. But I _also_ want the crime rate to be
much lower than it is at present, and I want an end to war.
And you think that saddling men with battle-axes and legions of
squalling brats will end crime and war? There are a lot of men who
will go to war or jail to escape from the battle-axes and brats.
Quadibloc
2021-08-25 22:25:47 UTC
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And you think that saddling men with battle-axes and legions of
squalling brats will end crime and war? There are a lot of men who
will go to war or jail to escape from the battle-axes and brats.
Just as I don't want to force a woman to be a housewife against
her will, I don't want to impose a lifestyle on men either.

In ancient times, men went to war against neighboring tribes
to kidnap their women for sexual slavery. Perhaps men are not
merely more well-behaved now, but also different in some other
ways as well that I haven't noticed.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-25 23:26:16 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
And you think that saddling men with battle-axes and legions of
squalling brats will end crime and war? There are a lot of men who
will go to war or jail to escape from the battle-axes and brats.
Just as I don't want to force a woman to be a housewife against
her will, I don't want to impose a lifestyle on men either.
In ancient times, men went to war against neighboring tribes
to kidnap their women for sexual slavery. Perhaps men are not
merely more well-behaved now, but also different in some other
ways as well that I haven't noticed.
Yes, they did. You seem to be assuming that loneliness was the
motivator.

Do you think if you had offered Paris a vat-girl (noting that he
consorted with major female deities) he wouldn't have gone after
Helen? Do you think that if you had offered Menelaus a vat-girl he'd
have ceased and desisted from going after the Trojans?
Quadibloc
2021-08-26 19:20:19 UTC
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Do you think if you had offered Paris a vat-girl (noting that he
consorted with major female deities) he wouldn't have gone after
Helen? Do you think that if you had offered Menelaus a vat-girl he'd
have ceased and desisted from going after the Trojans?
No, my plan isn't targeted at the leaders of nations.

Instead, I see war as a response to social tensions among the masses,
which vat-girls are intended to prevent from arising in the first place.

In a healthy, contented society, people like Hitler or even Trump have no
chance of gaining power.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-26 21:45:02 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
Do you think if you had offered Paris a vat-girl (noting that he
consorted with major female deities) he wouldn't have gone after
Helen? Do you think that if you had offered Menelaus a vat-girl he'd
have ceased and desisted from going after the Trojans?
No, my plan isn't targeted at the leaders of nations.
Instead, I see war as a response to social tensions among the masses,
which vat-girls are intended to prevent from arising in the first place.
In a healthy, contented society, people like Hitler or even Trump have no
chance of gaining power.
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy, to the
lunatic-fringe.
Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
2021-08-26 22:03:33 UTC
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On Wednesday, August 25, 2021 at 5:26:24 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
Post by J. Clarke
Do you think if you had offered Paris a vat-girl (noting that
he consorted with major female deities) he wouldn't have gone
after Helen? Do you think that if you had offered Menelaus a
vat-girl he'd have ceased and desisted from going after the
Trojans?
No, my plan isn't targeted at the leaders of nations.
Instead, I see war as a response to social tensions among the
masses, which vat-girls are intended to prevent from arising in
the first place.
In a healthy, contented society, people like Hitler or even
Trump have no chance of gaining power.
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a
damn who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy, to
the lunatic-fringe.
And people like Hitler and what Quaddie hallucinates Trump to be will
*create* the problems *so* *that* they can lead the charge against
them.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
Quadibloc
2021-08-27 03:17:30 UTC
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Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy, to the
lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe usually
taking over when people are desperate, because of high unemployment.

But I should note that vat-girls can't solve all the world's problems all
by themselves. Some civics education so that people understand that
a sensible government is the reason _why_ things are run well enough
so that they are content is also needed - along with a well-functioning
economy, and many other things.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-27 04:24:11 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy, to the
lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe usually
taking over when people are desperate, because of high unemployment.
But I should note that vat-girls can't solve all the world's problems all
by themselves. Some civics education so that people understand that
a sensible government is the reason _why_ things are run well enough
so that they are content is also needed - along with a well-functioning
economy, and many other things.
In other words with vat-girls and a miracle all will be wonderful. So
why isn't the miracle sufficient?
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-27 19:01:08 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Aug 2021 20:17:30 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:45:06 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a
damn who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
But I should note that vat-girls can't solve all the world's
problems all by themselves. Some civics education so that people
understand that a sensible government is the reason _why_ things
are run well enough so that they are content is also needed -
along with a well-functioning economy, and many other things.
In other words with vat-girls and a miracle all will be
wonderful. So why isn't the miracle sufficient?
Because even a miracle won't get Quaddie laid.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-27 19:00:34 UTC
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Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a
damn who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.

As the Left is doing right now.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Paul S Person
2021-08-28 16:38:54 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:45:06 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a
damn who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.

And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans
ticked off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or
whatever they are offering) anymore.

Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.

Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic
policies -- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an
impact.

Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.

Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will
bitch, whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-28 16:46:04 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:00:34 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
On Thursday, August 26, 2021 at 3:45:06 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a
damn who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the
lunatic fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high
unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided
leadership in the current pandemic, instead of doing everything
he could to sabotage efforts to minimize it's impact.
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began. Well before Trump
even took office. Gobble down whatever lies you want, the left has
staged a coup. And there will be consequences.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Quadibloc
2021-08-29 06:16:54 UTC
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The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020 election held
during a pandemic, that eliminating voter suppression, so that it's as easy
for black people to vote as white people, changes the results of elections -
and that the 2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...

the violent insurgents would have had right on their side.

While the events of January 6, 2021 may be considered to be comic opera
compared to a *real* civil war aimed at overthrowing the U.S. government,
it was still an overt violent attempt to overthrow election results of a sort
that was conspicuously absent from the aftermath of the 2016 election,
however disappointing that result was to many Americans.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-29 09:10:34 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020 election held
during a pandemic, that eliminating voter suppression, so that it's as easy
for black people to vote as white people, changes the results of elections -
and that the 2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi or
Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
Post by Quadibloc
the violent insurgents would have had right on their side.
While the events of January 6, 2021 may be considered to be comic opera
compared to a *real* civil war aimed at overthrowing the U.S. government,
it was still an overt violent attempt to overthrow election results of a sort
that was conspicuously absent from the aftermath of the 2016 election,
however disappointing that result was to many Americans.
John Savard
Alan Baker
2021-08-29 22:42:41 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:16:54 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020 election held
during a pandemic, that eliminating voter suppression, so that it's as easy
for black people to vote as white people, changes the results of elections -
and that the 2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi or
Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
'But she says Black voters in Mississippi routinely experience a series
of barriers. Mississippi has a strict voter ID law, but her local DMV,
in a Black, working-class area of Jackson, had shuttered.'

<https://www.fastcompany.com/90570476/how-voters-are-casting-their-ballot-in-the-state-thats-made-it-hardest-to-vote-in-2020>
Quadibloc
2021-08-30 00:07:17 UTC
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If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi or
Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
He won't answer. He literaly can't *see* that question, because it
conflicts with his hallucinations.
I did see the question. However, neither Mississippi nor
Louisiana is *51%* black. Therefore, there are any number of
reasons why Biden might not have carried those states,
depending on what the white people there think.

Mississippi is certainly a state where the white population is
very conservative in its thinking.

Louisiana, on the other hand, is home to New Orleans, which,
before Katrina, was known as the "Big Easy" - that is, one of the
few major cities where black people could live with their heads
held high. Hence, in the absence of more data, this is puzzling to
me.

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-30 01:03:43 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi or
Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
He won't answer. He literaly can't *see* that question, because it
conflicts with his hallucinations.
I did see the question. However, neither Mississippi nor
Louisiana is *51%* black. Therefore, there are any number of
reasons why Biden might not have carried those states,
depending on what the white people there think.
Mississippi is certainly a state where the white population is
very conservative in its thinking.
Louisiana, on the other hand, is home to New Orleans, which,
before Katrina, was known as the "Big Easy" - that is, one of the
few major cities where black people could live with their heads
held high. Hence, in the absence of more data, this is puzzling to
me.
John Savard
One of the _few_? You really need to get out of your ghetto.
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-30 03:58:03 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi
or Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
He won't answer. He literaly can't *see* that question,
because it conflicts with his hallucinations.
I did see the question. However, neither Mississippi nor
Louisiana is *51%* black. Therefore, there are any number of
reasons why Biden might not have carried those states,
depending on what the white people there think.
Mississippi is certainly a state where the white population is
very conservative in its thinking.
Louisiana, on the other hand, is home to New Orleans, which,
before Katrina, was known as the "Big Easy" - that is, one of
the few major cities where black people could live with their
heads held high. Hence, in the absence of more data, this is
puzzling to me.
John Savard
One of the _few_? You really need to get out of your ghetto.
Yeah, good luck with that.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-30 03:57:39 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi
or Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
He won't answer. He literaly can't *see* that question, because
it conflicts with his hallucinations.
I did see the question. However, neither Mississippi nor
Louisiana is *51%* black. Therefore, there are any number of
reasons why Biden might not have carried those states,
depending on what the white people there think.
One of which is that everything you believe about Trump is untrue,
and you're too deranged to accept it.
Post by Quadibloc
Mississippi is certainly a state where the white population is
very conservative in its thinking.
Louisiana, on the other hand, is home to New Orleans, which,
before Katrina, was known as the "Big Easy" - that is, one of
the few major cities where black people could live with their
heads held high. Hence, in the absence of more data, this is
puzzling to me.
New Orleans is also notable as having the most corrupt city
government in the world, and take great pride in it.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Paul S Person
2021-08-30 15:50:24 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:16:54 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020 election held
during a pandemic, that eliminating voter suppression, so that it's as easy
for black people to vote as white people, changes the results of elections -
and that the 2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi or
Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
That would be an excellent question -- provided, of course, that both
states expanded their voting to include plentiful mail-in ballots and
did not have voter ID rules designed to keep "them" from voting.

In that case, they would be proof that the Republican program works
... at least as far as "they" are concerned. But what will they do
when they realize that the /real/ enemy is already inside the walls?
That is, "us", slowly but inexorably voting Democratic, starting with
Biden? But not in these two States, obviously.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Scott Lurndal
2021-08-30 16:46:44 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:16:54 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020 election held
during a pandemic, that eliminating voter suppression, so that it's as easy
for black people to vote as white people, changes the results of elections -
and that the 2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...
If that's so, Quadi, then why didn't Biden carry Mississippi or
Louisiana, which are 38.9 and 33.4 percent black?
That would be an excellent question -- provided, of course, that both
states expanded their voting to include plentiful mail-in ballots and
did not have voter ID rules designed to keep "them" from voting.
Agreed. It's also instructive to look at the distribution of
the votes by candidate in the 2020 election.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/mississippi/

The districts that went for Mr. Biden did so by large percentages
(75% to 25%) and were mostly colocated with the river.

Paul S Person
2021-08-29 15:54:36 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't win in
2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020 election held
during a pandemic, that eliminating voter suppression, so that it's as easy
for black people to vote as white people, changes the results of elections -
and that the 2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...
the violent insurgents would have had right on their side.
While the events of January 6, 2021 may be considered to be comic opera
compared to a *real* civil war aimed at overthrowing the U.S. government,
it was still an overt violent attempt to overthrow election results of a sort
that was conspicuously absent from the aftermath of the 2016 election,
however disappointing that result was to many Americans.
The Insurrection was an amateur effort, exactly what a sane person
would expect from Donald Trump and the alt-right.

People who live in an alternate reality have /problems/ when they try
to interact with The Rest of Us.

Or, as a gang boss put it after James Bond had taken care of two
torpedos he had tasked his Syracuse branch to provide, "Call Syracuse
and tell them they are suffering from delusions of adequacy".

"Delusions of adequacy" -- that's Trump and the alt-right all over.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Ninapenda Jibini
2021-08-29 21:29:46 UTC
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Post by Ninapenda Jibini
The 2nd American civil war started when Queen Hillary didn't
win in 2016. That's when the violent insurgency began.
Given that we now know, thanks to the results of the 2020
election held during a pandemic, that eliminating voter
suppression, so that it's as easy for black people to vote as
white people, changes the results of elections - and that the
2020 election was the first truly fair and honest election in
American history, if a violent insurgency *had* begun in 2016...
the violent insurgents would have had right on their side.
While the events of January 6, 2021 may be considered to be
comic opera compared to a *real* civil war aimed at overthrowing
the U.S. government, it was still an overt violent attempt to
overthrow election results of a sort that was conspicuously
absent from the aftermath of the 2016 election, however
disappointing that result was to many Americans.
Till hallucinating that Antifa and BLM terrorists are "peaceful
protestors" while they're literally burning down police stations
and other government buildings, eh?

You're a good little sheeple. I'm sure they'll put you against the
wall last.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
Magewolf
2021-08-28 20:21:50 UTC
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Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe usually
taking over when people are desperate, because of high unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans ticked
off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or whatever
they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic policies
-- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.

Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
J. Clarke
2021-08-29 04:41:05 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe usually
taking over when people are desperate, because of high unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans ticked
off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or whatever
they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic policies
-- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.
It wasn't "the hand of God", it was recognition that just about
anybody short of Hitler would be better than Trump. What we got isn't
all that _much_ better, but at least he's not actively creating chaos
in the US (although he's done a fine job of creating it elsewhere).
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?

In 2022 I predict the Republicans get a small majority in one or the
other or both houses of Congress. If it's the House they'll spend the
time until 2024 trying to impeach Biden which will keep them out of
trouble and then in 2024 we'll once again have to figure out which of
two morons is the least stupid.
Quadibloc
2021-08-29 06:18:23 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
Bacteriological warfare from China?

John Savard
J. Clarke
2021-08-29 09:11:16 UTC
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Post by J. Clarke
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
Bacteriological warfare from China?
And that kept _conservatives_ at home?
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John Savard
Paul S Person
2021-08-29 16:10:21 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
Bacteriological warfare from China?
And that kept _conservatives_ at home?
I read an article quite some time ago (maybe 2 months) about a
Republican who assembled a team, got the data from that county being
"audited" by Total Nicompoops, Inc. and, analysing the data found that

if you define "Republican voter as someone who, other than for
President, voted a straight Republican ticket, than /36%/ of
Republican voters voted for Biden".

If that is true nationwide, the Republicans may find that suppressing
"them" from voting will not work, because the problem is within the
Party.

Plus the population shifts. They are going to have a heck of a time in
some States gerrymandering their districts so that the populations are
(in legal terms) equal and yet the new ones are safe for Republicans.
Perhaps we will be fighting the battle over whether or not a
"District" must be /contiguous/ (unless broken up by natural features,
like a large lake).

It ain't the farmlands that the newbies are living in, after all.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Quadibloc
2021-08-30 00:02:17 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
Bacteriological warfare from China?
And that kept _conservatives_ at home?
No; it allowed states to be pressured and bamboozled into allowing
mail-in voting, on the grounds that it would help prevent the spread of this
imaginary disease that is easily cured by hydrochloroquine, which led to
widespread voter fraud - black people not having to stand in line for hours
at badly overcrowded polling stations to ensure that not too many of them got
to vote.

I mean, don't you read the newspapers?

Of course, calling black people finally being able to vote as easily as whites
"voter fraud" and dismissing COVID-19 as "no worse than the flu" and all the
other things... are why I lack for words suitable for polite company to describe
the depths of dishonesty and depravity of the Trump administration.

John Savard
Paul S Person
2021-08-30 15:53:52 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 23:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
Post by Quadibloc
Post by J. Clarke
On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
Bacteriological warfare from China?
And that kept _conservatives_ at home?
No; it allowed states to be pressured and bamboozled into allowing
mail-in voting, on the grounds that it would help prevent the spread of this
imaginary disease that is easily cured by hydrochloroquine, which led to
widespread voter fraud - black people not having to stand in line for hours
at badly overcrowded polling stations to ensure that not too many of them got
to vote.
I mean, don't you read the newspapers?
Of course, calling black people finally being able to vote as easily as whites
"voter fraud" and dismissing COVID-19 as "no worse than the flu" and all the
other things... are why I lack for words suitable for polite company to describe
the depths of dishonesty and depravity of the Trump administration.
No, no, no -- it isn't "black people ... vot[ing]" that Republicans
mean by "voter fraud" -- it's voting Democratic.

Once that is understood, otherwise-asinine statements about "massive
voter fraud" become clearly correct -- there really /was/ "massive
voting for Democrats" in 2020 and 2016.

The ideal Republican voting system would only count votes for
Republican candidates. The assertions about voting equipment changing
votes /from/ Republican candidates are just a projection of what
Republicans would like to do.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Paul S Person
2021-08-29 16:02:12 UTC
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:50 -0000 (UTC), Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe usually
taking over when people are desperate, because of high unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans ticked
off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or whatever
they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic policies
-- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.
It wasn't "the hand of God", it was recognition that just about
anybody short of Hitler would be better than Trump. What we got isn't
all that _much_ better, but at least he's not actively creating chaos
in the US (although he's done a fine job of creating it elsewhere).
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
In 2022 I predict the Republicans get a small majority in one or the
other or both houses of Congress. If it's the House they'll spend the
time until 2024 trying to impeach Biden which will keep them out of
trouble and then in 2024 we'll once again have to figure out which of
two morons is the least stupid.
An easy thing to predict, as it happens quite often.

But I think you are overlooking the mystical power of investigating
Benghazi!!!!

I don't think even impeaching Biden will be able to distract them from
Benghazi!!!!

Still, I suppose Biden /could/ become the first President to be
impeached 3 times. Or even convicted, depending on what the Senate
investigations on The Afghan Situation reveal.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Magewolf
2021-08-29 20:39:56 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:00:34 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans
ticked off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or
whatever they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic
policies -- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an
impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.
It wasn't "the hand of God", it was recognition that just about anybody
short of Hitler would be better than Trump. What we got isn't all that
_much_ better, but at least he's not actively creating chaos in the US
(although he's done a fine job of creating it elsewhere).
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was
with outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a
problem with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
"Outside interference" in that you can not count on a plague showing up
whenever you need to win an election. And as I pointed out here before
even with Trump doing his best to throw the election he lost by less than
31,000?(I posted it here before but I am not doing the math again). So
he would have almost surely won without "outside interference".
Robert Woodward
2021-08-30 05:21:08 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:00:34 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans
ticked off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or
whatever they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic
policies -- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an
impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.
It wasn't "the hand of God", it was recognition that just about anybody
short of Hitler would be better than Trump. What we got isn't all that
_much_ better, but at least he's not actively creating chaos in the US
(although he's done a fine job of creating it elsewhere).
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was
with outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a
problem with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
"Outside interference" in that you can not count on a plague showing up
whenever you need to win an election. And as I pointed out here before
even with Trump doing his best to throw the election he lost by less than
31,000?(I posted it here before but I am not doing the math again). So
he would have almost surely won without "outside interference".
Biden's combined margin of victory in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia
(the only states he won with a plurality rather than a majority) was 42,
918. Without those states, his Electoral College vote total would be
269. Note that his nation wide margin of over 7 million (51.3% of the
vote). Also, Trump's percentage of the vote actually increased from 2016
(46.1% vs 46.9%). Biden won because both the Green and Libertarian party
votes declined (and apparently went to Biden because he wasn't Hillary
Clinton).
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"We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_.
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Robert Woodward ***@drizzle.com
Paul S Person
2021-08-30 15:56:01 UTC
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Post by Magewolf
Post by Magewolf
Post by Paul S Person
On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:00:34 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe
usually taking over when people are desperate, because of high
unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans
ticked off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or
whatever they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic
policies -- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an
impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.
It wasn't "the hand of God", it was recognition that just about anybody
short of Hitler would be better than Trump. What we got isn't all that
_much_ better, but at least he's not actively creating chaos in the US
(although he's done a fine job of creating it elsewhere).
Post by Magewolf
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was
with outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a
problem with the party.
Odd, I thought it was high voter turnout that beat him. What was this
"outside interference"?
"Outside interference" in that you can not count on a plague showing up
whenever you need to win an election. And as I pointed out here before
even with Trump doing his best to throw the election he lost by less than
31,000?(I posted it here before but I am not doing the math again). So
he would have almost surely won without "outside interference".
Biden's combined margin of victory in Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia
(the only states he won with a plurality rather than a majority) was 42,
918. Without those states, his Electoral College vote total would be
269. Note that his nation wide margin of over 7 million (51.3% of the
vote). Also, Trump's percentage of the vote actually increased from 2016
(46.1% vs 46.9%). Biden won because both the Green and Libertarian party
votes declined (and apparently went to Biden because he wasn't Hillary
Clinton).
Not to mention those voters who voted /a straight Republican ticket/
except that they voted for Biden at the top.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Paul S Person
2021-08-29 15:58:13 UTC
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Post by Paul S Person
Post by Ninapenda Jibini
Post by Quadibloc
Dream on. When people are "contented" they tend to not give a damn
who governs them, leaving that decision, in a democracy,
to the lunatic-fringe.
What little history I'm familiar with shows the lunatic fringe usually
taking over when people are desperate, because of high unemployment.
What you miss is that, far more often than not, is that the lunatic
fringe is the *cause* of the desperation and high unemployment.
As the Left is doing right now.
We'd be a lot less desperate had Trump actually provided leadership in
the current pandemic, instead of doing everything he could to sabotage
efforts to minimize it's impact.
And we don't have high unemployment -- just a lot of Republicans ticked
off because nobody is willing to work for 10 cents an hour (or whatever
they are offering) anymore.
Because of the pandemic and the Trump-sabotaged response.
Trump benefitted in his first year or two from Obama's economic policies
-- it takes a while for the current guy's efforts to have an impact.
Biden is suffering from Trump's failures. On all levels. In all areas.
But we'll see what happens in 2022 and 2024.
Whatever it is, win, lose or draw, one thing is clear: Trump will bitch,
whine, and moan. As he did in 2020 -- and in 2016.
You know you remind me of some of my friends still active in the party.
After 2016 when I tried to tell them that Trump did not win we lost
because we were arrogant and stupid all they could do was whine. And
after this election when I pointed out they only won because the hand of
god reached down and gave them the election and they still almost lost
all they could do was whine.
Trump is a buffoon but the only way the Democrats could beat him was with
outside interference. That is not a problem with Trump it is a problem
with the party.
Yeah, on a newpaper website forum I (and others) spent a /lot/ of time
explaining to Rabid Hillary Supporters just why have a plurality
didn't make her President.

Republicans aren't the /only/ ones who weren't paying attention in
Civics. And Trump isn't the /only/ whiner.

He is, however, the only person I have ever heard of who whined when
/he won/. Sore losers are common; sore winners are rare.
--
"I begin to envy Petronius."
"I have envied him long since."
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-08-25 20:37:13 UTC
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Somehow, this sounds a bit odd coming from 'the vatgirl guy'.
The fact that the typical man does not function properly without
a woman at home to bear him children and then take care of them
for him... and so the fraction of women who seek fulfillment in
careers instead of as housewives leads to problems...
is a deficiency of men, not of women.
Changing the human sex ratio, so that the fraction of women who still
wish to be housewives is equal in size to all men is merely the least bad
solution to the problem, in my opinion. It allows women to be free to
make choices about their lives, and yet it avoids the social problems
resulting from the strife entailed when men compete for an insufficient
pool of available women.
I want women to be equal. But I _also_ want the crime rate to be
much lower than it is at present, and I want an end to war.
Well, one out of three ain't that bad.

Many civilized countries are experiencing negative population
growth (except in Africa). China, e.g., wanted to reduce its
population, restricting families to one child apiece. A
generation later, there are many more men than women*, it's a
severe psychological problem for them, they call themselves
"withered branches."

So the government allowed families to have two children ... and a
lot of them didn't. They've just upped it to three ... and women
are choosing to have one, or none. "Raising children is too
expensive."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-57154574

Now, we do need to reduce the human population of this planet.
Preferably without killing anybody, but it looks like we're not
going to get that.

_____
*Because every family wanted to have a *son*. Abortion was
freely available, and exposure was not unknown.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-08-25 20:26:00 UTC
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Orbit 6 edited by Damon Knight
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-colour-of-your-dreams
Ah, yes. The whole "Women as Convenient Wombs" subgenre.
There was, of course, one cinematic example of that sort of thing
done _right_: the three survivors are one white man, one black man,
and one (white) woman. The white and black man spend their time
fighting, and it is the woman who has agency and recognizes that
the changed situation demands the discarding of outmoded attitudes
and mores.
Out of curiosity, what was the film?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World,_the_Flesh_and_the_Devil_(1959_film)

Total of three actors, including Harry Belafonte when he was
young and gorgeous (and he's not so bad now).
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Dorothy J Heydt
2021-08-25 20:23:28 UTC
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Orbit 6 edited by Damon Knight
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-colour-of-your-dreams
Ah, yes. The whole "Women as Convenient Wombs" subgenre.
There was, of course, one cinematic example of that sort of thing
Ah, yes. _The World, The Flesh, and the Devil."
Post by Quadibloc
the three survivors are one white man, one black man,
and one (white) woman.
Note that it's sociological SF, not hard SF: everybody else in the
world (or at least, in New York) disappears, and there are no
bodies.
Post by Quadibloc
The white and black man spend their time
fighting,
Well, quarreling, and sniping at each other. They don't get
physical until the last reel, and at the end they stop.
Post by Quadibloc
and it is the woman who has agency and recognizes that
the changed situation demands the discarding of outmoded attitudes
and mores.
A misandrist would say that she has a sufficiently low
testosterone level to face facts.
--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/
Joy Beeson
2021-08-25 23:20:07 UTC
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Orbit 6 edited by Damon Knight
https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/the-colour-of-your-dreams
Given that this story is set in an American town of the 1920s, this demographic peculiarity was most likely fostered by the local authorities.
It's probably the result of the primitive transportation of the
twenties.

As late as the forties, a trip to another state was a really-big deal.
And in the fifties, a "senior trip" to see a city was part of the
coming-of-age ritual.
--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
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