Meet the new neighbors: The solar system expands.

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/

Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
Bodies in the Outer Solar System

Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
other planetary systems.

These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System

Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
implications for our understanding of the structure and
history of the Solar System.

[D]

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
Bodies in the Outer Solar System
Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
other planetary systems.
These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
implications for our understanding of the structure and
history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

[Michael F. Stemper]

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might exist after all. ;)

Where else would we get Illudium Phosdex (the shaving cream atom)?

[Ted Nolan <tednolan>]

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/

Post by D

    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might

exist after all. ;)
Where else would we get Illudium Phosdex (the shaving cream atom)?

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-
of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.

The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.

The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.

Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

pt

[Titus G]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-
of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.
The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.
The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.
pt

Fascinating. Thank you.

[William Hyde]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-
of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.
The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.
The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said
that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish
seven stars.

Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have
uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?

There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see
six stars.

At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.


William Hyde

[James Nicoll]

Post by William Hyde

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-
of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.
The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.
The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said
that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish
seven stars.
Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have
uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?
There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see
six stars.
At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.

In a tremendous coincidence, the item I am revieweing next Wednesday
is set there.

[James Nicoll]

Post by James Nicoll

Post by William Hyde

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-
of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.
The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.
The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said
that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish
seven stars.
Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have
uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?
There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see
six stars.
At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.

In a tremendous coincidence, the item I am revieweing next Wednesday
is set there.

Dickson's None But Man is set there, I think.

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by William Hyde

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-
discovery- of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.
The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.
The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said
that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish
seven stars.
Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have
uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?
There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see
six stars.
At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.

Calling them the 'seven sisters' goes back to classical Greece,
possibly much further.

From Wikipedia:

"As noted by scholar Stith Thompson, the constellation was "nearly
always imagined" as a group of seven sisters, and their myths explain
why there are only six.[47] Some scientists suggest that these may come
from observations back when Pleione was farther from Atlas and more
visible as a separate star as far back as 100,000 BC."

On the Nebra Sky Disk (1600 BC), there are 7 dots thought to be
the Pleiades.

I don't know what your source was quoting, but I imagine that
distinguishing seven got harder and harder over time. Also,
I'm sure many people talk themselves into thinking they see
seven, since that's what they're supposed to be.

pt

[Paul S Person]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 22:11:35 -0400, Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by William Hyde

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-
discovery- of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/
    Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
    Bodies in the Outer Solar System
    Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
    previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
    System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
    other planetary systems.
    These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
    Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
    formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
    extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
    typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
    Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
    Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
    Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
    The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
    waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
    implications for our understanding of the structure and
    history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

The car company has nothing to do with the telescope.
The telescope is at Mauna Kea, but is owned by the National Observatory
of Japan.
The Japanese word for the Pleiades star cluster is 'Subaru'. Try looking
at a Subaru car badge sometime, and you'll see the star cluster.
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said
that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish
seven stars.
Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have
uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?
There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see
six stars.
At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.

Calling them the 'seven sisters' goes back to classical Greece,
possibly much further.
"As noted by scholar Stith Thompson, the constellation was "nearly
always imagined" as a group of seven sisters, and their myths explain
why there are only six.[47] Some scientists suggest that these may come
from observations back when Pleione was farther from Atlas and more
visible as a separate star as far back as 100,000 BC."
On the Nebra Sky Disk (1600 BC), there are 7 dots thought to be
the Pleiades.
I don't know what your source was quoting, but I imagine that
distinguishing seven got harder and harder over time. Also,
I'm sure many people talk themselves into thinking they see
seven, since that's what they're supposed to be.

If anyone is interested,
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleiades_(Greek_mythology)> discusses
the Seven Sisters in Greek mythology. This may be relevent:

"Merope, youngest of the Pleiades. In other mythic contexts, she
married Sisyphus and, becoming mortal, faded away."

[Michael F. Stemper]

Post by Cryptoengineer
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish seven stars.
Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?
There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see six stars.
At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.

No, but I can think of some SF that mentions a similar situation with
another cluster. In _Foundation and Earth_ our merry band of wanderers
visits a stellar system where the inhabitants refer to a cluster,
naked-eye visible from their planet, by a name implying a certain number
of stars, but having a different number.

One of the band (Golan Trevize, maybe) works out the relative motions
and determines that the number of visible stars could not have changed
in the time the planet has been inhabited -- not by thousands of years.

[William Hyde]

Post by Michael F. Stemper

Post by William Hyde

Post by Cryptoengineer
Despite being known as the 'seven sisters', the logo has only six stars.
This matches what is actually naked eye visible now. When the cluster
acquired that name, seven were visible, but proper motion has since
moved two of them too close to resolve.

When I first read about this cluster sixty years ago my reference said
that people with "exceptionally good eyesight" could still distinguish
seven stars.
Was this true sixty years ago, or could my source possibly have
uncritically quoted some older work written when this was true?
Or was it just nonsense?
There was no point in testing it myself - I was pleased that I could see six stars.
At the moment, I can't think of much SF that involves this cluster.

No, but I can think of some SF that mentions a similar situation with
another cluster. In _Foundation and Earth_ our merry band of wanderers
visits a stellar system where the inhabitants refer to a cluster,
naked-eye visible from their planet, by a name implying a certain number
of stars, but having a different number.
One of the band (Golan Trevize, maybe) works out the relative motions
and determines that the number of visible stars could not have changed
in the time the planet has been inhabited -- not by thousands of years.

I had totally forgotten that.

In Christopher Rowley's future the human civilization that developed in
the Hyades cluster, though always offstage, is the driving force of
human expansion, the peak of human culture, the place people dream of
living. It gained this status before FTL was developed, so perhaps the
relatively short transit time between planets was the cause.

It's a better choice than the Pleiades, as it has many g-type stars.
But the cluster is only 625 million years old so considerable
terraforming would be required (not a problem in this future).


William Hyde

[vallor]

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
https://scitechdaily.com/astronomers-stunned-by-unexpected-discovery-

of-new-celestial-bodies-in-the-outer-solar-system/

Post by D

Post by Ted Nolan <tednolan>
Astronomers Stunned by Unexpected Discovery of New Celestial
Bodies in the Outer Solar System
Using the Subaru Telescope, astronomers have identified
previously unknown celestial bodies in the outer Solar
System, suggesting a larger, unexplored expanse that parallels
other planetary systems.
These findings, including a possible second ring of Kuiper
Belt Objects, could reshape our understanding of planetary
formation and potentially boost the chances of discovering
extraterrestrial life by revealing a more extensive and
typical structure of our Solar System compared to others.
Discovery of New Objects in the Outer Solar System
Observations of the outer Solar System with the Subaru
Telescope have discovered new bodies where none were expected.
The new objects are likely members of a much larger population
waiting to be discovered. This discovery has profound
implications for our understanding of the structure and
history of the Solar System.

Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

In Elite Dangerous, they added the (controversial) planet Persephone in
the outer reaches of the Sol system...

https://imgur.com/KbMIMfz

It's been inferred from other bodies' orbits, but hasn't been
discovered (yet?).

[quadibloc]

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

Of course you're just kidding, but for information, what happened was:
"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

John Savard

[Paul S Person]

Post by quadibloc

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

Research suggests that

'In Japanese, the word “Subaru” (???) translates to “unite” or “gather
together.”' <https://carvibehub.com/what-does-subaru-mean/>

So, it is the Japanese word for "unite" or "gather together", which is
used as the name of what the Greeks (and others) call the Pleiades.

If you think otherwise, what are the Japanese names of the Seven
Sisters making up the Pleiades? And those names had better be very
old, certainly predating any likely contact with the Western
tradition, not just tranlations/transliterations of names derived from
the Greek names or the Greek names themselves.

None of which changes what the word is used for, or what the car logo
has on it, of course.

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Paul S Person

Post by quadibloc

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

Research suggests that
'In Japanese, the word “Subaru” (???) translates to “unite” or “gather
together.”' <https://carvibehub.com/what-does-subaru-mean/>
So, it is the Japanese word for "unite" or "gather together", which is
used as the name of what the Greeks (and others) call the Pleiades.
If you think otherwise, what are the Japanese names of the Seven
Sisters making up the Pleiades? And those names had better be very
old, certainly predating any likely contact with the Western
tradition, not just tranlations/transliterations of names derived from
the Greek names or the Greek names themselves.
None of which changes what the word is used for, or what the car logo
has on it, of course.

'Subaru' IS the word Japanese use to refer to the Pleiades. I feel
you're saying 'America' isn't the name of a country, since it is
really A. Vespucci's name.

Check:

"Slit belly swamp"
https://buddhism.lib.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-NX012/nx012374395.pdf

before exploring one unusual Japanese tale of the Pleiades, relates
Japanese legends associated with them. Check pages 313-315.

It includes two tales as far back as the 8th century relating them to
people.

One has them as children, but another has them as maidens.

pt

[Paul S Person]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 22:59:24 -0400, Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Paul S Person

Post by quadibloc

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

Research suggests that
'In Japanese, the word “Subaru” (???) translates to “unite” or “gather
together.”' <https://carvibehub.com/what-does-subaru-mean/>
So, it is the Japanese word for "unite" or "gather together", which is
used as the name of what the Greeks (and others) call the Pleiades.
If you think otherwise, what are the Japanese names of the Seven
Sisters making up the Pleiades? And those names had better be very
old, certainly predating any likely contact with the Western
tradition, not just tranlations/transliterations of names derived from
the Greek names or the Greek names themselves.
None of which changes what the word is used for, or what the car logo
has on it, of course.

'Subaru' IS the word Japanese use to refer to the Pleiades. I feel
you're saying 'America' isn't the name of a country, since it is
really A. Vespucci's name.

I'm not sure what I was trying to say. Well, except the "none of which
changes" line. Sorry 'bout that.

Post by Cryptoengineer
"Slit belly swamp"
https://buddhism.lib.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-NX012/nx012374395.pdf
before exploring one unusual Japanese tale of the Pleiades, relates
Japanese legends associated with them. Check pages 313-315.
It includes two tales as far back as the 8th century relating them to
people.
One has them as children, but another has them as maidens.
pt

[Cryptoengineer]

Post by Paul S Person

Post by quadibloc

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

Research suggests that
'In Japanese, the word “Subaru” (???) translates to “unite” or “gather
together.”' <https://carvibehub.com/what-does-subaru-mean/>
So, it is the Japanese word for "unite" or "gather together", which is
used as the name of what the Greeks (and others) call the Pleiades.
If you think otherwise, what are the Japanese names of the Seven
Sisters making up the Pleiades? And those names had better be very
old, certainly predating any likely contact with the Western
tradition, not just tranlations/transliterations of names derived from
the Greek names or the Greek names themselves.
None of which changes what the word is used for, or what the car logo
has on it, of course.

I'll also add that the association of the Pleiades with a group of
people is very, very old. Its found in cultures all over the world,
from Australian Aborigines, to Native Americans, to Eurasians

Its similar to the way pretty much all Northern hemisphere cultures
share in calling Ursa Major some variant of 'bear'. Its been suggested
that the connection predates the migration across the Bering land
bridge.

pt

[Paul S Person]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 23:13:44 -0400, Cryptoengineer

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Paul S Person

Post by quadibloc

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

Research suggests that
'In Japanese, the word “Subaru” (???) translates to “unite” or “gather
together.”' <https://carvibehub.com/what-does-subaru-mean/>
So, it is the Japanese word for "unite" or "gather together", which is
used as the name of what the Greeks (and others) call the Pleiades.
If you think otherwise, what are the Japanese names of the Seven
Sisters making up the Pleiades? And those names had better be very
old, certainly predating any likely contact with the Western
tradition, not just tranlations/transliterations of names derived from
the Greek names or the Greek names themselves.
None of which changes what the word is used for, or what the car logo
has on it, of course.

I'll also add that the association of the Pleiades with a group of
people is very, very old. Its found in cultures all over the world,
from Australian Aborigines, to Native Americans, to Eurasians

I don't doubt it.

What are the names of the people making up the Pleiades in pre-contact
Japanese?

Post by Cryptoengineer
Its similar to the way pretty much all Northern hemisphere cultures
share in calling Ursa Major some variant of 'bear'. Its been suggested
that the connection predates the migration across the Bering land
bridge.

[Kevrob]

Post by Cryptoengineer

Post by Paul S Person

Post by quadibloc

Post by D
Ahh... so Subaru expanded from cars to telescopes! And planet X might
exist after all. ;)

"Subaru" is a
word in Japanese - and what it is, is the Japanese word for the
Pleiades. Since
they're bright and beautiful, it seemed to be a nice thing to use as a
brand name
for an automobile company.

Research suggests that
'In Japanese, the word “Subaru” (???) translates to “unite” or “gather
together.”' <https://carvibehub.com/what-does-subaru-mean/>
So, it is the Japanese word for "unite" or "gather together", which is
used as the name of what the Greeks (and others) call the Pleiades.
If you think otherwise, what are the Japanese names of the Seven
Sisters making up the Pleiades? And those names had better be very
old, certainly predating any likely contact with the Western
tradition, not just tranlations/transliterations of names derived from
the Greek names or the Greek names themselves.
None of which changes what the word is used for, or what the car logo
has on it, of course.

I'll also add that the association of the Pleiades with a group of
people is very, very old. Its found in cultures all over the world,
from Australian Aborigines, to Native Americans, to Eurasians
Its similar to the way pretty much all Northern hemisphere cultures
share in calling Ursa Major some variant of 'bear'. Its been suggested
that the connection predates the migration across the Bering land
bridge.
pt

I had gathered that _Subaru_ meant:
"Rides nice, but expensive to fix." :)

--
Kevin R